Why WOULDNT anyone vote for Ron Paul?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="RandPaul"] It allows the people to have their own laws in regards to a highly debated issue. People that want to make abortion illegal or restrict it don't look at it as restricting rights. They look at it as protecting the rights of the unborn.RandPaul

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Even liberals are against late term abortions for example. Paul's text simply took it out of the hands of the federal government. KC_Hokie

>implying partial birth abortion = abortion in general

>implying democrats and liberals are the same thing

:hah:

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]And if you actually read the legislation you would see all it does it give the states authority to protect 'life'. So, again, states rights. RandPaul

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Ok. Now show me the part where liberals are against abortion since that's what my point was about.DroidPhysX

Sexual preference or whatever isn't in the Constitution.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]OK...the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 passed with 63 democrats in the House voting for it and 17 democrats in the Senate. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="RandPaul"]Libertarians draw a strict line between individual liberty and harming others. Some view abortion as the latter.RandPaul

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Partial birth abortion = abortion in general :hah:DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="RandPaul"] It allows the people to have their own laws in regards to a highly debated issue. People that want to make abortion illegal or restrict it don't look at it as restricting rights. They look at it as protecting the rights of the unborn.KC_Hokie

Sexual preference or whatever isn't in the Constitution.

Sexual preference or whatever isn't in the Constitution.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]lol...that counts as against abortion at some stageKC_Hokie

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]You can't discriminate based on race. Races are protected under the Constitution.

Sexual preference or whatever isn't in the Constitution.

KC_Hokie

Sexual preference or whatever isn't in the Constitution.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If you voted to make abortion illegal at any point during a pregnancy you therefore are anti-abortion at some stage. And plenty of democrats voted for the Partial-Birth Abortion Band Act of 2003. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]You can't discriminate based on race. Races are protected under the Constitution.

Sexual preference or whatever isn't in the Constitution.

RandPaul

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]When did he say that? -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]He was quoting some guy from Vermont in history. Those aren't his words. KC_Hokie

Why would you vote for the person you thinks going to win,kinda missing the point....

sexyweapons

I'm not "missing the point". You all, you ideologues, who KNOW Ron Paul and other libertarian candidates aren't going to win right now are naive and dangerous to this election cycle. You are risking Obama getting a second term for ideas that mainstream America DOES NOT embrace.

You want to support a libertarian, support them in an election that isn't so important. If not, be quiet and get with the program. Any sensible libertarian shouldn't want Obama to win a second term. Your ONLY reasonable choice is Romney.

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Why would you vote for the person you thinks going to win,kinda missing the point....

airshocker

I'm not "missing the point". You all, you ideologues, who KNOW Ron Paul and other libertarian candidates aren't going to win right now are naive and dangerous to this election cycle. You are risking Obama getting a second term for ideas that mainstream America DOES NOT embrace.

You want to support a libertarian, support them in an election that isn't so important. If not, be quiet and get with the program. Any sensible libertarian shouldn't want Obama to win a second term. Your ONLY reasonable choice is Romney.

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Why would you vote for the person you thinks going to win,kinda missing the point....

airshocker

I'm not "missing the point". You all, you ideologues, who KNOW Ron Paul and other libertarian candidates aren't going to win right now are naive and dangerous to this election cycle. You are risking Obama getting a second term for ideas that mainstream America DOES NOT embrace.

You want to support a libertarian, support them in an election that isn't so important. If not, be quiet and get with the program. Any sensible libertarian shouldn't want Obama to win a second term. Your ONLY reasonable choice is Romney.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Not according to Ron Paul. Ron Paul thought that the Confederacy had every right to fight for the "right" to preserve the institution of slavery. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No. Not at all. He did say the Civil War wasn't all based around slavery. And he's right. KC_Hokie

I'm voting for Gary Johnson. And a vote for Johnson won't hurt Romney. KC_Hokie

That's nonsense. Any vote not for Romney hurts Romney.

You guys can have fun waging this principles war, but you have only yourselves to blame if Obama gets a second term.

Romney would only continue the trend that libertarians hate.DroidPhysX

Doubtful. Libertarianism aligns most consistently with conservatism, not liberalism. There's only one choice for libertarians who are reasonable people: Romney.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I'm voting for Gary Johnson. And a vote for Johnson won't hurt Romney. airshocker

That's nonsense. Any vote not for Romney hurts Romney.

You guys can have fun waging this principles war, but you have only yourselves to blame if Obama gets a second term.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="RandPaul"]You think the only reason the south seceded was over slavery? Only 8% of southern families owned slaves. Watch the video. He makes it very clear that the he believes Lincoln could have gotten rid of slavery in a simpler fashion.RandPaul

Indirectly, voting for Obama would be better for libertarians long term.DroidPhysX

How do you figure?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Romney would only continue the trend that libertarians hate.airshocker

Doubtful. Libertarianism aligns most consistently with conservatism, not liberalism. There's only one choice for libertarians who are reasonable people: Romney.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I'm voting for Gary Johnson. And a vote for Johnson won't hurt Romney. airshocker

That's nonsense. Any vote not for Romney hurts Romney.

You guys can have fun waging this principles war, but you have only yourselves to blame if Obama gets a second term.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Indirectly, voting for Obama would be better for libertarians long term.airshocker

How do you figure?

And it's clear the Romney doesn't embrace what used to be conservatism but now embraces an extremely far right version of it.DroidPhysX

:lol: Pandering to the right during a primary means nothing. Kind of like how Obama is pandering for his re-election, it's meaningless.

Conservatism in any form is consistent with libertarian ideals. Much more so than current liberalism.

The supreme court. Conservatives on the court favor government over citizens whilst liberals favor citizens over government (most of the time)DroidPhysX

Since when? And oh yes, liberal judges support citizens whilst they advocate the government being more powerful in order to help those citizens. A powerful government is incompatible with personal liberty.

The latest data actually shows Johnson gets more votes from liberals than conservatives. KC_Hokie

I don't really see what's so hard to understand. ANY republican vote that doesn't go to Romney hurts us.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]And it's clear the Romney doesn't embrace what used to be conservatism but now embraces an extremely far right version of it.airshocker

:lol: Pandering to the right during a primary means nothing. Kind of like how Obama is pandering for his re-election, it's meaningless.

Conservatism in any form is consistent with libertarian ideals. Much more so than current liberalism.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]That quote introduced the idea slavery wasn't the reason for the Civil War. Maybe you should watch the video again. KC_Hokie

Study confirms: Republican Party most conservative in a century. Not just the primary.DroidPhysX

As I said, conservatism most closely represents libertarianism. Modern day liberalism(aside from gay rights, and certain things like the patriot act) doesn't represent libertarianism.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Study confirms: Republican Party most conservative in a century. Not just the primary.airshocker

As I said, conservatism most closely represents libertarianism. Modern day liberalism(aside from gay rights, and certain things like the patriot act) doesn't represent libertarianism.