Will you vote for Obama in 2012?

We don't have a true left wing in the US, only center and right wing. If you look at every other industrialized nation, they have left wing parties, we do not. If Obama was Left wing, he'd be pushing for a Universal Healthcare system, which he is NOT unfortunately. The Public option is just a layer on top of the already existing lousy system, and he's flaky on this as well. Insurance and Drug Companies have him in their back pocket like they do with all our Politicians, that's not "Left" at all. Obama is keeping the SAME tax codes for the top 1% in place until 2012 which is ridiculous and NOT left wing at all. Obama's tax codes are LOWER than Reagan's., the Conservative's idol.Why? It's Big Business and their contributions. Obama is pushing the War in Afghanistan, still has troops in Iraq, FEEDING the Military Industrial Complex. This is NOT Left wing. Anyone who suggest he's too left wing needs to stop listening to right wing talk radio and pundits, and looks at the facts on their own. If you watch FOX news, this is EXACTLY the kind of talk that they push out on a daily basis and it's simply false and not true.mismajor99

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]We don't have a true left wing in the US, only center and right wing. If you look at every other industrialized nation, they have left wing parties, we do not. If Obama was Left wing, he'd be pushing for a Universal Healthcare system, which he is NOT unfortunately. The Public option is just a layer on top of the already existing lousy system, and he's flaky on this as well. Insurance and Drug Companies have him in their back pocket like they do with all our Politicians, that's not "Left" at all. Obama is keeping the SAME tax codes for the top 1% in place until 2012 which is ridiculous and NOT left wing at all. Obama's tax codes are LOWER than Reagan's., the Conservative's idol.Why? It's Big Business and their contributions. Obama is pushing the War in Afghanistan, still has troops in Iraq, FEEDING the Military Industrial Complex. This is NOT Left wing. Anyone who suggest he's too left wing needs to stop listening to right wing talk radio and pundits, and looks at the facts on their own. If you watch FOX news, this is EXACTLY the kind of talk that they push out on a daily basis and it's simply false and not true.Pirate700

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[QUOTE="mismajor99"]We don't have a true left wing in the US, only center and right wing. If you look at every other industrialized nation, they have left wing parties, we do not. If Obama was Left wing, he'd be pushing for a Universal Healthcare system, which he is NOT unfortunately. The Public option is just a layer on top of the already existing lousy system, and he's flaky on this as well. Insurance and Drug Companies have him in their back pocket like they do with all our Politicians, that's not "Left" at all. Obama is keeping the SAME tax codes for the top 1% in place until 2012 which is ridiculous and NOT left wing at all. Obama's tax codes are LOWER than Reagan's., the Conservative's idol.Why? It's Big Business and their contributions. Obama is pushing the War in Afghanistan, still has troops in Iraq, FEEDING the Military Industrial Complex. This is NOT Left wing. Anyone who suggest he's too left wing needs to stop listening to right wing talk radio and pundits, and looks at the facts on their own. If you watch FOX news, this is EXACTLY the kind of talk that they push out on a daily basis and it's simply false and not true.mismajor99

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="maheo30"]If things keep going the way they are going Obama won't even win his party's nomination. Someone else will probably beat him out. MarcusAntonius

Which makes him a really impotent leader. If he can't get it done with this decisive of a majority in both the House and Senate, I don't know what to say other than he clearly overestimated his influence.

[QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]There is nothing centrist about Obama. He is just about as far left as one can possibly be and still garner any support.

Pirate700

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[QUOTE="mismajor99"] Examples please.mismajor99

can't vote european

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] Obama's doing (or trying to do) everything he promised. It's Congress that's keeping things from getting things done.Ontain

Which makes him a really impotent leader. If he can't get it done with this decisive of a majority in both the House and Senate, I don't know what to say other than he clearly overestimated his influence.

Obama said they would no longer be welcome, then proceeded to go back on that. I guess Obama only has shimself to blame for the lobbyist problem.

[QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]There is nothing centrist about Obama. He is just about as far left as one can possibly be and still garner any support.

[QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]I need to post examples for you as to why Obama is a liberal? Really? Do a google search. Jeez.

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[QUOTE="mismajor99"] If you are going to make a claim stating that Obama is NOT centrist, you need to back it up. He's a Corporatist like most Right Wingers in this Country. He's backed by Healthcare and Wallstreet, right down the Center. If he was Left, those are the last entities that would be backing him. Eddie5vs1

[QUOTE="Ontain"]undecided right now because i want to see what happens in the next 3 years. but i also don't want a return to the neo con policies that got us here in the first place. I find it hilarious how they think more tax breaks for the rich and less regulation will fix the mess that was created by those same policies.Vandalvideo

This will be my first race I can vote in. :D But no, I will not vote for Obama

[QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]I should not have to post links as to how Obama is liberal. That's nuts. That's not a claim, that's a fact. Find one other person here that doesn't think Obama is a liberal and then I'll find you your links. :|

Pirate700

The ONLY people accusing Obama as a "Liberal" is the far off Right wing, as seen on Fox by commentators like Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck and on the Right Wing dominated radio like Rush Limbaugh. Nobody outside that circle would agree otherwise.

This will be my first race I can vote in. :D But no, I will not vote for Obama

zobo93

i just miss voting in 2012:(

I have no idea.

Its not like Obama has been in offic long thoe.

English so cant vote for you,but from what i hear he pretty much gone back on everything he said during his election campaign and is just a black bush

from what i hear he pretty much gone back on everything he said during his election campaign and is just a black bush

YoJim8obaJoe

He has kept 45 of his promises thus far and reached a compromise on another 12. Only 7 of his promises were found to have been broken.

Hey guys...just a quick question...I'm from Australia....What plan does Obama want to implement for health care..It's been on the news forever now...but i couldn't be bothered to really listen until now...

Is he trying to implement free health care? and people don't like this?...or something..If anyone could clear this up for me, i'd be very greatful.

Hey guys...just a quick question...I'm from Australia....What plan does Obama want to implement for health care..It's been on the news forever now...but i couldn't be bothered to really listen until now...

Is he trying to implement free health care? and people don't like this?...or something..If anyone could clear this up for me, i'd be very greatful.

dj_shosh910

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Hey guys...just a quick question...I'm from Australia....What plan does Obama want to implement for health care..It's been on the news forever now...but i couldn't be bothered to really listen until now...

Is he trying to implement free health care? and people don't like this?...or something..If anyone could clear this up for me, i'd be very greatful.

Luminouslight

Oh k....The deficit is already huge.. So i guess it is debatable.

In Australia....we have a publicly funded universal health care which is operated by medicare...Its Government owned..

It's most probably the best idea to actually come out of a government. You receive a card that looks like a credit card and no matter what, any age....you can go to the doctor and it's for free...you have to pay a yearly fee...but it's not that much. There are private health fund companies that deal with greater health concerns, like operations..but you're not really forced into buying it. It is a smart way of going but.

I don't understand why this wasn't put into place in a country that...really should be ahead in everything. Especially with the amount of people that live there.

[QUOTE="YoJim8obaJoe"]

from what i hear he pretty much gone back on everything he said during his election campaign and is just a black bush

GabuEx

He has kept 45 of his promises thus far and reached a compromise on another 12. Only 7 of his promises were found to have been broken.

What a joke a lot of those "promises" are. That one on the Islamic speech, oh so bold. And some of the others actually made things worse. Anyways, you completely missed his point. If you look at the fact that we're still at war, still spending like mad, and going even further into debt, the Obama Administration is in many ways Bush's third term.

RON PAUL 2012

He will win a 2nd terma no matter what he does or has a good chance of it hes got the majority of the vote and the minoritys on his side has well there is no way he can lose

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[QUOTE="YoJim8obaJoe"]

from what i hear he pretty much gone back on everything he said during his election campaign and is just a black bush

MarcusAntonius

He has kept 45 of his promises thus far and reached a compromise on another 12. Only 7 of his promises were found to have been broken.

What a joke a lot of those "promises" are. That one on the Islamic speech, oh so bold. And some of the others actually made things worse. Anyways, you completely missed his point. If you look at the fact that we're still at war, still spending like mad, and going even further into debt, the Obama Administration is in many ways Bush's third term.

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

He has kept 45 of his promises thus far and reached a compromise on another 12. Only 7 of his promises were found to have been broken.

Danm_999

What a joke a lot of those "promises" are. That one on the Islamic speech, oh so bold. And some of the others actually made things worse. Anyways, you completely missed his point. If you look at the fact that we're still at war, still spending like mad, and going even further into debt, the Obama Administration is in many ways Bush's third term.

Um...I think that was kind of a given.:?

absolutely not. In terms of policy, he's pretty much wrong on EVERYTHING. He's wrong on the war, he's wrong on the economy, he's wrong on healthcare, he's wrong on the welfare state. On matters of first principles, he's still wrong on everything. He's wrong on the role of government in our lives, he's wrong on the legitimacy of the state, he's wrong on the philosophy of foreign policy.

So, in sum, he's wrong on just about everything, and therefore I would never vote for him in 2012.

No, he's a far-left fringe liberal who won the election by masquerading himself as a moderate centrist. People paid more attention to what he said during his campaign rather than what he'd actually done before getting elected. And look now, he's already signed the most expensive, pork-filled bill in US history under the guise of "stimulating the economy", and now he's trying to get a bill passed that will put the government in charge of our health care. Jimmy Carter has got to be smiling now that he won't be remembered as the worst president ever.UT_Wrestler

Sure, he was extraordinarily mediocre, and I personally do not care for the man, but he was nowhere near the worst president ever.

No, he's a far-left fringe liberal who won the election by masquerading himself as a moderate centrist. People paid more attention to what he said during his campaign rather than what he'd actually done before getting elected. And look now, he's already signed the most expensive, pork-filled bill in US history under the guise of "stimulating the economy", and now he's trying to get a bill passed that will put the government in charge of our health care. Jimmy Carter has got to be smiling now that he won't be remembered as the worst president ever.UT_Wrestler

Okay, pork? So programs like cash for clunkers, which worked wonderfully at stimulating the auto industry and keeping dealerships in business, is pork? Construction jobs that provide infastructure repair are pork? Putting money into green energy industries that will create a whole new job market is pork? Hmmm. I guess I should expect as much from someone who labels Obama a far-left liberal. We haven't had a true far-left liberal as President since FDR, just about every Democratic President has been moderate to even center right. Obama's center left, but because of a combination of the political right shifting further to extreme conservatism and pundits playing this small shift from center right to center left (Clinton to Obama) as one from way left to extreme left he is being portrayed as an extremist, which he most certainly is not. As for government, "taking over," our healthcare, that's simply false, he's proposing a government OPTION for people who want to CHOOSE to BUY INTO it over their current health care providers.

Okay, pork? So programs like cash for clunkers, which worked wonderfully at stimulating the auto industry and keeping dealerships in business, is pork? Construction jobs that provide infastructure repair are pork? Putting money into green energy industries that will create a whole new job market is pork? Hmmm.

theone86

There are opinions, and then there are facts. Cash for Clunkers stimulated the Japanese and Koreans more than it did the U.S., and that's when dealers weren't getting stiffed and backing out of the program. CFC was a disaster. Yes, investing in green "industries' is pork, a straight up red herring. The concept of "green jobs" is sketchy at best, and furthermore based off consensus science.

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Okay, pork? So programs like cash for clunkers, which worked wonderfully at stimulating the auto industry and keeping dealerships in business, is pork? Construction jobs that provide infastructure repair are pork? Putting money into green energy industries that will create a whole new job market is pork? Hmmm.

MarcusAntonius

There are opinions, and then there are facts. Cash for Clunkers stimulated the Japanese and Koreans more than it did the U.S., and that's when dealers weren't getting stiffed and backing out of the program. CFC was a disaster. Yes, investing in green "industries' is pork, a straight up red herring. The concept of "green jobs" is sketchy at best, and furthermore based off consensus science.

*clicks on results*

well I'll be damned, what the hell hapened, OT used to love this guy

[QUOTE="YoJim8obaJoe"]

from what i hear he pretty much gone back on everything he said during his election campaign and is just a black bush

GabuEx

He has kept 45 of his promises thus far and reached a compromise on another 12. Only 7 of his promises were found to have been broken.

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Okay, pork? So programs like cash for clunkers, which worked wonderfully at stimulating the auto industry and keeping dealerships in business, is pork? Construction jobs that provide infastructure repair are pork? Putting money into green energy industries that will create a whole new job market is pork? Hmmm.

-Sun_Tzu-

There are opinions, and then there are facts. Cash for Clunkers stimulated the Japanese and Koreans more than it did the U.S., and that's when dealers weren't getting stiffed and backing out of the program. CFC was a disaster. Yes, investing in green "industries' is pork, a straight up red herring. The concept of "green jobs" is sketchy at best, and furthermore based off consensus science.

Jobs based on theory and questionable, ambiguous objectives, created by an industry sustained only by government subsides. Yeah, I guess I'm just not seeing the big picture.

I'm still alive and have a great life, so I'd say Obama is doing great so far :) It's my extremely ****ing stupid city mayor whose the idiot. He's spending hundreds of millions on a roundabout project, built a now failing arts district downtown, and is now wasting even more money on a new stuff downtown that includes a HOTEL (which is extremely pointless in a 60,000 person city) and a nazi-germany looking building for the symphony. Not even a reason to worry about obama yet. I'm amazed at why this extremely conservative **** city keeps reelecting this guy...

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He hasn't even been in office for a year yet, how could I know. I voted for him, but if he screws up I won't vote for him again. Who blindly votes?

grenadexjumpr

Um...pretty much the only reason he was elected was because of people blindly voting either because:

A. He was a black man

or

B. He wasn't Republican

There were 22 kids out of 25 in my government course in highschool, just as an example, that voted for Obama. When the 2 of us that Voted McCain asked the 22 why they did...

well...not a single one could explain nor really NAME a policy of Obama's that would ACTUALLY work outside of theory and not a single one of them could actually come up with a legitimate reason why he was better than any other candidate.

Absurd statement. Nobody in your highschool government course is going to know what they are talking about and your highschool government course is not representative of the Obama voting base at large. I voted for Obama and I could mop the floor with you in a debate about why Obama was a better candidate than McCain.

You really don't know why Obama voters voted for Obama if you think it is just for those 2 reasons. You're citing those reasons because that is what makes you feel better about the shortcomings of your own candidate.

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[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

There are opinions, and then there are facts. Cash for Clunkers stimulated the Japanese and Koreans more than it did the U.S., and that's when dealers weren't getting stiffed and backing out of the program. CFC was a disaster. Yes, investing in green "industries' is pork, a straight up red herring. The concept of "green jobs" is sketchy at best, and furthermore based off consensus science.

MarcusAntonius

Jobs based on theory and questionable, ambiguous objectives, created by an industry sustained only by government subsides. Yeah, I guess I'm just not seeing the big picture.

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[QUOTE="im_mr_brown"]

He hasn't even been in office for a year yet, how could I know. I voted for him, but if he screws up I won't vote for him again. Who blindly votes?

Tragic_Kingdom7

Um...pretty much the only reason he was elected was because of people blindly voting either because:

A. He was a black man

or

B. He wasn't Republican

There were 22 kids out of 25 in my government course in highschool, just as an example, that voted for Obama. When the 2 of us that Voted McCain asked the 22 why they did...

well...not a single one could explain nor really NAME a policy of Obama's that would ACTUALLY work outside of theory and not a single one of them could actually come up with a legitimate reason why he was better than any other candidate.

Absurd statement. Nobody in your highschool government course is going to know what they are talking about and your highschool government course is not representative of the Obama voting base at large. I voted for Obama and I could mop the floor with you in a debate about why Obama was a better candidate than McCain.

You really don't know why Obama voters voted for Obama if you think it is just for those 2 reasons. You're citing those reasons because that is what makes you feel better about the shortcomings of your own candidate.

No. Even if he changed his policies, at this point, he's already messed up with the stimulus bill, so there's no need to reward him for a vote either way.Genetic_Code

How do you know if he's messed up with the stimulus bill? What if it ends up working?