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#1 kingkong0124
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You want to know what's really sad in today's society? Occupy protestors. People that are protesting because of their useless degree philosophy or literature. These are the same exact people that want us to suffer because of their own failures. And failure is besides the issue. They don't want to work. At all. America is becoming a country filled with lazy people with no work ethic.

Explain to me, how an immigrant from India or Mexico can come here legally and make more money than you ever did and will. This Indian immigrant probably had a horrible education compared to you and a horrible environment to grow up in. This Indian decides to immigrate to the U.S. and works his ass off at odd jobs, and works his way up. He soon is the true definition of a capitalist and owns a couple gas stations, and is very successful. Don't believe me, go to your local gas station, they're everywhere. They have worked hard without a college degree in a foreign country (which they speak broken English in) and are now successful. There is no such thing as "environmental factors", there's something called willpower, hard work, and common sense. Thing most Occupy protestors lack.

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I agree. Those occupy people want a socialist system like Greece or France.

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I agree. Those occupy people want a socialist system like Greece or France.

KC_Hokie
It does not make sense to me when people complain about environmental factors when uneducated immigrants from other countries can come in and make loads of money. There is no excuse. Only person at fault is yourself. Not the government, Wall Street, or the like.
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#4 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

I agree. Those occupy people want a socialist system like Greece or France.

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It does not make sense to me when people complain about environmental factors when uneducated immigrants from other countries can come in and make loads of money. There is no excuse. Only person at fault is yourself. Not the government, Wall Street, or the like.

It's always easiest to blame successful people. Then use politics to demand part of their wealth.
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yep most americans are fat lazy and blame others for their problems

now that immagrents.....cant tell you how many times ive lost a job cause they were the minorety and get the job before me......

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yep most americans are fat lazy and blame others for their problemsalmasdeathchild

No but those occupy people sure do.

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[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

yep most americans are fat lazy and blame others for their problemsKC_Hokie

No but those occupy people sure do.

nah i know alot that complain and blame occupy are the people getting up and not being lazy about their complaints

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

yep most americans are fat lazy and blame others for their problemsalmasdeathchild

No but those occupy people sure do.

nah i know alot that complain and blame occupy are the people getting up and not being lazy about their complaints

No. They are politically active demanding money from successful people. That still makes them lazy.
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Wall Street should just hire the Occupiers - kill two birds with one stone.

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#10 TacticalDesire
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Maybe, your OP is somewhat contradictory though. You talk about "useless philosophy degrees" implying that they should have studied something else, and then later talk about people rising up without a college degree at all.

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#11 almasdeathchild
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[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No but those occupy people sure do.

KC_Hokie

nah i know alot that complain and blame occupy are the people getting up and not being lazy about their complaints

No. They are politically active demanding money from successful people. That still makes them lazy.

they are still lazy,all they time they take to prance around and hold signs could be made being used to be more sucessful

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Wall Street should just hire the Occupiers - kill two birds with one stone.

entropyecho
The average occupy person has no education and no worthwhile job skills. And if you offered those people jobs they are actually qualified for, janitor for example, they will reject those because they don't pay enough. They demand high paying jobs regardless of their lack of education and relevant training.
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[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

Wall Street should just hire the Occupiers - kill two birds with one stone.

KC_Hokie

The average occupy person has no education and no worthwhile job skills.

Please explain where you got that information please.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="entropyecho"]

Wall Street should just hire the Occupiers - kill two birds with one stone.

TacticalDesire

The average occupy person has no education and no worthwhile job skills.

Please explain where you got that information please.

Based on the interviews and polls taken of the occupy people.
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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The average occupy person has no education and no worthwhile job skills.KC_Hokie

Please explain where you got that information please.

Based on the interviews and polls taken of the occupy people.

I'd like to see something indicating that most of the protestors have no education.

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#16 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

Please explain where you got that information please.

TacticalDesire

Based on the interviews and polls taken of the occupy people.

I'd like to see something indicating that most of the protestors have no education.

By education I mean more than a GED or high school diploma.

You do realize part of the occupy wall street movement was centered around education, how it was a human right, etc. etc.

The average person sleepin in those tents and pooping all over the place were not educated people with valuable skills.

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Maybe, your OP is somewhat contradictory though. You talk about "useless philosophy degrees" implying that they should have studied something else, and then later talk about people rising up without a college degree at all.

TacticalDesire
I'm saying they should have used their privilege to go to an university much more seriously and spent it on something worthwhile.
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It's not what you know, it's who you know.
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#19 kingkong0124
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[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

Wall Street should just hire the Occupiers - kill two birds with one stone.

KC_Hokie
The average occupy person has no education and no worthwhile job skills. And if you offered those people jobs they are actually qualified for, janitor for example, they will reject those because they don't pay enough. They demand high paying jobs regardless of their lack of education and relevant training.

Exactly. You have to work your weigh to the top. I know some of my friend's immigrant fathers who worked their *** off at Burger King while still getting a decent college education, without any outside family financial support.
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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

Maybe, your OP is somewhat contradictory though. You talk about "useless philosophy degrees" implying that they should have studied something else, and then later talk about people rising up without a college degree at all.

kingkong0124

I'm saying they should have used their privilege to go to an university much more seriously and spent it on something worthwhile.

there is a keyword here it's lazy, and the people just want stuff handed to them

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This Indian immigrant probably had a horrible education compared to you and a horrible environment to grow up in. This Indian decides to immigrate to the U.S. and works his ass off at odd jobs, and works his way up. He soon is the true definition of a capitalist and owns a couple gas stations, and is very successful. Don't believe me, go to your local gas station, they're everywhere.

kingkong0124
lol
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It's not what you know, it's who you know.DroidPhysX
Because immigrants who speak broken English surely have better connections to being successful in America than American citizens themselves.
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

This Indian immigrant probably had a horrible education compared to you and a horrible environment to grow up in. This Indian decides to immigrate to the U.S. and works his ass off at odd jobs, and works his way up. He soon is the true definition of a capitalist and owns a couple gas stations, and is very successful. Don't believe me, go to your local gas station, they're everywhere.

-Sun_Tzu-
lol

You know it's true. Keep on laughing at Vijay over there while he is racking in his brand new Mercedes.
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#24 Blue-Sky
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Wow this thread is like one big circle jerk.

lmao. You guys should start your own reddit page. Call it /r/FoxNewsKoolAid.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]It's not what you know, it's who you know.kingkong0124
Because immigrants who speak broken English surely have better connections to being successful in America than American citizens themselves.

When did I say that?
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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

Maybe, your OP is somewhat contradictory though. You talk about "useless philosophy degrees" implying that they should have studied something else, and then later talk about people rising up without a college degree at all.

kingkong0124

I'm saying they should have used their privilege to go to an university much more seriously and spent it on something worthwhile.

I don't think anyone is in a position to judge what is "worthwhile" and what is not.

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

Maybe, your OP is somewhat contradictory though. You talk about "useless philosophy degrees" implying that they should have studied something else, and then later talk about people rising up without a college degree at all.

almasdeathchild

I'm saying they should have used their privilege to go to an university much more seriously and spent it on something worthwhile.

there is a keyword here it's lazy, and the people just want stuff handed to them

Yeah, I completely agree, we need to readjust our society. Look at Japan and their work ethic. You don't see them complaining.
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You want to know what's really sad in today's society? Occupy protestors. People that are protesting because of their useless degree philosophy or literature. These are the same exact people that want us to suffer because of their own failures. And failure is besides the issue. They don't want to work. At all. America is becoming a country filled with lazy people with no work ethic.

Explain to me, how an immigrant from India or Mexico can come here legally and make more money than you ever did and will. This Indian immigrant probably had a horrible education compared to you and a horrible environment to grow up in. This Indian decides to immigrate to the U.S. and works his ass off at odd jobs, and works his way up. He soon is the true definition of a capitalist and owns a couple gas stations, and is very successful. Don't believe me, go to your local gas station, they're everywhere. They have worked hard without a college degree in a foreign country (which they speak broken English in) and are now successful. There is no such thing as "environmental factors", there's something called willpower, hard work, and common sense. Thing most Occupy protestors lack.

kingkong0124

Those people work that hard because they have to, not because they want to. They need to work 10x harder so they can get jobs at all, which is commendable sure, but they would not be doing it if they didn't have to.

It's not just Americans that are lazy. People will always choose the path of least resistance. It is just more noticable these days because we have machines everywhere doing work that humans had to do.

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Says a lot about America failing to educate youths about realistic expectations.

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

Maybe, your OP is somewhat contradictory though. You talk about "useless philosophy degrees" implying that they should have studied something else, and then later talk about people rising up without a college degree at all.

TacticalDesire

I'm saying they should have used their privilege to go to an university much more seriously and spent it on something worthwhile.

I don't think anyone is in a position to judge what is "worthwhile" and what is not.

Worthwhile in the sense that it can land you a secure job. If you want to major in philosophy and become poor the rest of your life, sure go ahead, just don't think people who didn't are forced to pay for your mistake.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

This Indian immigrant probably had a horrible education compared to you and a horrible environment to grow up in. This Indian decides to immigrate to the U.S. and works his ass off at odd jobs, and works his way up. He soon is the true definition of a capitalist and owns a couple gas stations, and is very successful. Don't believe me, go to your local gas station, they're everywhere.

kingkong0124
lol

You know it's true. Keep on laughing at Vijay over there while he is racking in his brand new Mercedes.

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If everyone works hard isn't that communism?

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]It's not what you know, it's who you know.DroidPhysX
Because immigrants who speak broken English surely have better connections to being successful in America than American citizens themselves.

When did I say that?

I thought you were implying that the key to success is connections. Sorry, your post was kind of vague to be honest.
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Wow this thread is like one big circle jerk.

lmao. You guys should start your own reddit page. Call it /r/FoxNewsKoolAid.

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Excellent rebuttal. You know it's true.
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If everyone works hard isn't that communism?

TacticalDesire

lmfao

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] lol-Sun_Tzu-
You know it's true. Keep on laughing at Vijay over there while he is racking in his brand new Mercedes.

is that kumar?

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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] I'm saying they should have used their privilege to go to an university much more seriously and spent it on something worthwhile. kingkong0124

I don't think anyone is in a position to judge what is "worthwhile" and what is not.

Worthwhile in the sense that it can land you a secure job. If you want to major in philosophy and become poor the rest of your life, sure go ahead, just don't think people who didn't are forced to pay for your mistake.

Well, I think that it is possible to get atleast a relatively good job with any degree, but I digress. What this all really comes down to, ironically enough is philosophy. Do you believe that we have a duty as humans to support the weaker among us? Is everyone entitled to a mistake? Or are you a proponent of Social Darwinism?

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Lol at this thread.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] You know it's true. Keep on laughing at Vijay over there while he is racking in his brand new Mercedes. almasdeathchild

is that kumar?

No that's the guy who pumps my gas. Do all indians look the same to you?
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

You want to know what's really sad in today's society? Occupy protestors. People that are protesting because of their useless degree philosophy or literature. These are the same exact people that want us to suffer because of their own failures. And failure is besides the issue. They don't want to work. At all. America is becoming a country filled with lazy people with no work ethic.

Explain to me, how an immigrant from India or Mexico can come here legally and make more money than you ever did and will. This Indian immigrant probably had a horrible education compared to you and a horrible environment to grow up in. This Indian decides to immigrate to the U.S. and works his ass off at odd jobs, and works his way up. He soon is the true definition of a capitalist and owns a couple gas stations, and is very successful. Don't believe me, go to your local gas station, they're everywhere. They have worked hard without a college degree in a foreign country (which they speak broken English in) and are now successful. There is no such thing as "environmental factors", there's something called willpower, hard work, and common sense. Thing most Occupy protestors lack.

Gamefan1986

Those people work that hard because they have to, not because they want to. They need to work 10x harder so they can get jobs at all, which is commendable sure, but they would not be doing it if they didn't have to.

It's not just Americans that are lazy. People will always choose the path of least resistance. It is just more noticable these days because we have machines everywhere doing work that humans had to do.

Yeah, choosing the path of least resistance is a trend we need to stop.
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

I don't think anyone is in a position to judge what is "worthwhile" and what is not.

TacticalDesire

Worthwhile in the sense that it can land you a secure job. If you want to major in philosophy and become poor the rest of your life, sure go ahead, just don't think people who didn't are forced to pay for your mistake.

Well, I think that it is possible to get atleast a relatively good job with any degree, but I digress. What this all really comes down to, ironically enough is philosophy. Do you believe that we have a duty as humans to support the weaker among us? Is everyone entitled to a mistake? Or are you a proponent of Social Darwinism?

I have no problem helping people. I believe in charity. But I'm not a fan of welfare.
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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

If everyone works hard isn't that communism?

kingkong0124

lmfao

Think about it, if everyone works hard then everyone is putting equal effort into the system and if everyone is really given this "even plane" no one will actually be able to rise up above anyone else.

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Lol at this thread.

Hubadubalubahu
What's even more lol is that Sun provided the only link to anything.
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

If everyone works hard isn't that communism?

TacticalDesire

lmfao

Think about it, if everyone works hard then everyone is putting equal effort into the system and if everyone is really given this "even plane" no one will actually be able to rise up above anyone else.

That was the theory behind communism. It failed and even countries like China have moved to a more capitalistic system.
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[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]

Lol at this thread.

DroidPhysX

What's even more lol is that Sun provided the only link to anything.

Freaking Sun :P.

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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Wow this thread is like one big circle jerk.

lmao. You guys should start your own reddit page. Call it /r/FoxNewsKoolAid.

kingkong0124

Excellent rebuttal. You know it's true.

Nice try, but only newbies will take this thread seriously.

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[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]  -Sun_Tzu-

is that kumar?

No that's the guy who pumps my gas. Do all indians look the same to you?

yes

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#48 TacticalDesire
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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] lmfao

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Think about it, if everyone works hard then everyone is putting equal effort into the system and if everyone is really given this "even plane" no one will actually be able to rise up above anyone else.

That was the theory behind communism. It failed and even countries like China have moved to a more capitalistic system.

Right, so doesn't it seem reasonable to say that what TC is advocating, the need for everyone to work harder, is actually a theoretical stepping stone to a communistic or equal society.

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#49 TacticalDesire
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Wow this thread is like one big circle jerk.

lmao. You guys should start your own reddit page. Call it /r/FoxNewsKoolAid.

Blue-Sky

Excellent rebuttal. You know it's true.

Nice try, but only newbies will take this thread seriously.

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That gif and your sig lol!

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#50 kingkong0124
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

I don't think anyone is in a position to judge what is "worthwhile" and what is not.

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Worthwhile in the sense that it can land you a secure job. If you want to major in philosophy and become poor the rest of your life, sure go ahead, just don't think people who didn't are forced to pay for your mistake.

Well, I think that it is possible to get atleast a relatively good job with any degree, but I digress. What this all really comes down to, ironically enough is philosophy. Do you believe that we have a duty as humans to support the weaker among us? Is everyone entitled to a mistake? Or are you a proponent of Social Darwinism?

I'm fine with charity just not government forced welfare programs. There's a large, large difference as KC said.