I'm surprised we haven't the other usual suspects in this thread, like themajormayor. Love that guy. I'm still not convinced that the Occupy protesters are undereducated. I want to see some statistics. All that said, I would rather they work on get out the vote rallies, or feeding the homeless. Something worthwhile.
Think about it, if everyone works hard then everyone is putting equal effort into the system and if everyone is really given this "even plane" no one will actually be able to rise up above anyone else.
TacticalDesire
That was the theory behind communism. It failed and even countries like China have moved to a more capitalistic system.
Right, so doesn't it seem reasonable to say that what TC is advocating, the need for everyone to work harder, is actually a theoretical stepping stone to a communistic or equal society.
No because capitalism is the most productive system. Demanding stuff from the rich and government is socialism.
[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Worthwhile in the sense that it can land you a secure job. If you want to major in philosophy and become poor the rest of your life, sure go ahead, just don't think people who didn't are forced to pay for your mistake. kingkong0124
Well, I think that it is possible to get atleast a relatively good job with any degree, but I digress. What this all really comes down to, ironically enough is philosophy. Do you believe that we have a duty as humans to support the weaker among us? Is everyone entitled to a mistake? Or are you a proponent of Social Darwinism?
I'm fine with charity just not government forced welfare programs. There's a large, large difference as KC said. my fav is the fat people that are so lazy and chunky they cant do anything and get disability checks and people who actually have issues are left with nothing.....america.....
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]I'm surprised we haven't the other usual suspects in this thread, like themajormayor. Love that guy. I'm still not convinced that the Occupy protesters are undereducated. I want to see some statistics. All that said, I would rather they work on get out the vote rallies, or feeding the homeless. Something worthwhile. Dem hard hitting interviews tell us all we need to know.
No. Americans work more hours than most of the rest of the west and we aren't getting richer proportionally. Something is fundamentally wrong.guynamedbilly
The U.S. is 6th worldwide in per capita purchasing power. I see nothing wrong there.
[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]No. Americans work more hours than most of the rest of the west and we aren't getting richer proportionally. Something is fundamentally wrong.KC_Hokie
The U.S. is 6th worldwide in per capita purchasing power. I see nothing wrong there. Look up how much we work compared to the other 5.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]That was the theory behind communism. It failed and even countries like China have moved to a more capitalistic system. KC_Hokie
Right, so doesn't it seem reasonable to say that what TC is advocating, the need for everyone to work harder, is actually a theoretical stepping stone to a communistic or equal society.
No because capitalism is the most productive system. Demanding stuff from the rich and government is socialism.
And in order for capitalism to work don't there have to be people who are harder workers than others?
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]No. Americans work more hours than most of the rest of the west and we aren't getting richer proportionally. Something is fundamentally wrong.guynamedbilly
The U.S. is 6th worldwide in per capita purchasing power. I see nothing wrong there. Look up how much we work compared to the other 5.Nothing wrong with working. What are we France now where you can't work more than 35 hours per week.
I want to give all the real conservatives in here who belief in personal freedom AND personal responsiblity a big hug. Despite the socialistic leanings of most participants on this board (which is unsurprising given the demographics here), there are still some people (30-some-percent) with their heads on straight who recognize the filth represented by the OWS degenerates.
Right, so doesn't it seem reasonable to say that what TC is advocating, the need for everyone to work harder, is actually a theoretical stepping stone to a communistic or equal society.
TacticalDesire
No because capitalism is the most productive system. Demanding stuff from the rich and government is socialism.
And in order for capitalism to work don't there have to be people who are harder workers than others?
Right, so doesn't it seem reasonable to say that what TC is advocating, the need for everyone to work harder, is actually a theoretical stepping stone to a communistic or equal society.
TacticalDesire
No because capitalism is the most productive system. Demanding stuff from the rich and government is socialism.
And in order for capitalism to work don't there have to be people who are harder workers than others?
You're ignoring the fact some people don't care about money or working hard. The true problem is when these same people start to have a sense of entitlement.
[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The U.S. is 6th worldwide in per capita purchasing power. I see nothing wrong there.KC_Hokie
Look up how much we work compared to the other 5.Nothing wrong with working. What are we France now where you can't work more than 35 hours per week. Well, it would be relevant to this quote chain since that's what I said to begin with,
[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] Look up how much we work compared to the other 5.Nothing wrong with working. What are we France now where you can't work more than 35 hours per week. Well, it would be relevant to this quote chain since that's what I said to begin with,Agreed...nothing wrong with a society that works hard and is 6th in per capita purchasing power because of that work effort.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No because capitalism is the most productive system. Demanding stuff from the rich and government is socialism.KC_Hokie
And in order for capitalism to work don't there have to be people who are harder workers than others?
It's called competition not entitlement.
I think you're missing my entire point. I'm stating that if everyone worked extremely hard it would be difficult for anyone to rise above anyone else. You're getting wrapped up in capitalistic principles when I'm not saying anything about those. If you go back a page you already essentially agreed with me.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No because capitalism is the most productive system. Demanding stuff from the rich and government is socialism.kingkong0124
And in order for capitalism to work don't there have to be people who are harder workers than others?
You're ignoring the fact some people don't care about money or working hard. The true problem is when these same people start to have a sense of entitlement.
I'm speaking entirely in theory. You're telling everyone to work harder, and I'm saying that if everyone listened to this advice capitalism wouldn't work.
I want to give all the real conservatives in here who belief in personal freedom AND personal responsiblity a big hug. Despite the socialistic leanings of most participants on this board (which is unsurprising given the demographics here), there are still some people (30-some-percent) with their heads on straight who recognize the filth represented by the OWS degenerates.
kraychik
And the fact that you used the word filth suggests that as a representative of the right, you have no sympathy for anyone. Most of the time, I see more of "they have more than me, so eats bring them down to our level" or "who cares about the poor, they should just get jobs". I think that the right would do a lot better if all the positive talk they used was towards the poor rather than the rich.
And in order for capitalism to work don't there have to be people who are harder workers than others?
TacticalDesire
It's called competition not entitlement.
I think you're missing my entire point. I'm stating that if everyone worked extremely hard it would be difficult for anyone to rise above anyone else. You're getting wrapped up in capitalistic principles when I'm not saying anything about those. If you go back a page you already essentially agreed with me.
You're thinking completely hypothetically and completely ignoring the real world. People will always work harder than others. Nobody will work hard "equally".
And in order for capitalism to work don't there have to be people who are harder workers than others?
TacticalDesire
It's called competition not entitlement.
I think you're missing my entire point. I'm stating that if everyone worked extremely hard it would be difficult for anyone to rise above anyone else. You're getting wrapped up in capitalistic principles when I'm not saying anything about those. If you go back a page you already essentially agreed with me.
No. You can rise above others with hard work regardless of how competitive an industry is. That's what is great with our system.
I want to give all the real conservatives in here who belief in personal freedom AND personal responsiblity a big hug. Despite the socialistic leanings of most participants on this board (which is unsurprising given the demographics here), there are still some people (30-some-percent) with their heads on straight who recognize the filth represented by the OWS degenerates.
jimkabrhel
And the fact that you used the word filth suggests that as a representative of the right, you have no sympathy for anyone. Most of the time, I see more of "they have more than me, so eats bring them down to our level" or "who cares about the poor, they should just get jobs". I think that the right would do a lot better if all the positive talk they used was towards the poor rather than the rich. Funny thing is, these right wing heartless Republicans actually donate to charity much more than those caring Dems.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It's called competition not entitlement. kingkong0124
I think you're missing my entire point. I'm stating that if everyone worked extremely hard it would be difficult for anyone to rise above anyone else. You're getting wrapped up in capitalistic principles when I'm not saying anything about those. If you go back a page you already essentially agreed with me.
You're thinking completely hypothetically and completely ignoring the real world. People will always work harder than others. Nobody will work hard "equally".
I already stated several posts up that I was speaking theoretically. Lol.
I think you're missing my entire point. I'm stating that if everyone worked extremely hard it would be difficult for anyone to rise above anyone else. You're getting wrapped up in capitalistic principles when I'm not saying anything about those. If you go back a page you already essentially agreed with me.
TacticalDesire
You're thinking completely hypothetically and completely ignoring the real world. People will always work harder than others. Nobody will work hard "equally".
I already stated several posts up that I was speaking theoretically. Lol.
No point in discussing it then really if we both no it's not going to happen in the real world.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It's called competition not entitlement. KC_Hokie
I think you're missing my entire point. I'm stating that if everyone worked extremely hard it would be difficult for anyone to rise above anyone else. You're getting wrapped up in capitalistic principles when I'm not saying anything about those. If you go back a page you already essentially agreed with me.
No. You can rise above others with hard work regardless of how competitive an industry is. That's what is great with our system.
[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] You're thinking completely hypothetically and completely ignoring the real world. People will always work harder than others. Nobody will work hard "equally". kingkong0124
I already stated several posts up that I was speaking theoretically. Lol.
No point in discussing it then really if we both no it's not going to happen in the real world.
Yes, I'm happy you got my point though. It was not intended to go on this long, but KC is still having difficulty.
You want to know what's really sad in today's society? Occupy protestors. People that are protesting because of their useless degree philosophy or literature. These are the same exact people that want us to suffer because of their own failures. And failure is besides the issue. They don't want to work. At all. America is becoming a country filled with lazy people with no work ethic.
Explain to me, how an immigrant from India or Mexico can come here legally and make more money than you ever did and will. This Indian immigrant probably had a horrible education compared to you and a horrible environment to grow up in. This Indian decides to immigrate to the U.S. and works his ass off at odd jobs, and works his way up. He soon is the true definition of a capitalist and owns a couple gas stations, and is very successful. Don't believe me, go to your local gas station, they're everywhere. They have worked hard without a college degree in a foreign country (which they speak broken English in) and are now successful. There is no such thing as "environmental factors", there's something called willpower, hard work, and common sense. Thing most Occupy protestors lack.
kingkong0124
While there is technically some truth in that, it's sort of like a dozen crackheads fighting over a single crack rock. Sure, the winner might be the hardest working guy with the most fight in him. But any way you look at it, most of those guys are going to end up with no crack. That's the only possible outcome.
I think you're missing my entire point. I'm stating that if everyone worked extremely hard it would be difficult for anyone to rise above anyone else. You're getting wrapped up in capitalistic principles when I'm not saying anything about those. If you go back a page you already essentially agreed with me.
TacticalDesire
No. You can rise above others with hard work regardless of how competitive an industry is. That's what is great with our system.
Not if the other person is working just as hard.
In the real world people have different skills, education, strengths, work ethic, age, etc. So there is a lot of opportunity to work hard to rise in an industry.
I want to give all the real conservatives in here who belief in personal freedom AND personal responsiblity a big hug. Despite the socialistic leanings of most participants on this board (which is unsurprising given the demographics here), there are still some people (30-some-percent) with their heads on straight who recognize the filth represented by the OWS degenerates.
kingkong0124
And the fact that you used the word filth suggests that as a representative of the right, you have no sympathy for anyone. Most of the time, I see more of "they have more than me, so eats bring them down to our level" or "who cares about the poor, they should just get jobs". I think that the right would do a lot better if all the positive talk they used was towards the poor rather than the rich. Funny thing is, these right wing heartless Republicans actually donate to charity much more than those caring Dems. Charity is much more than giving money. Its a willingness to do more than cut a check. And it's colorblind also. Urban areas where there are a lot of poor, specifically poor minorities are not bastions of the Republican party. Those are places where jobs and spendable cash are hard to find.
I don't really have a dog in this fight, as I see stupidity on both sides of the aisle. With that said, I must point out how ironically hilarious it is that several posters now seem to swear by extremely hard work, yet have sit on their ass posting on Gamestop, some up to 10,000+ times. :lol:
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"] And the fact that you used the word filth suggests that as a representative of the right, you have no sympathy for anyone. Most of the time, I see more of "they have more than me, so eats bring them down to our level" or "who cares about the poor, they should just get jobs". I think that the right would do a lot better if all the positive talk they used was towards the poor rather than the rich. Funny thing is, these right wing heartless Republicans actually donate to charity much more than those caring Dems. Charity is much more than giving money. Its a willingness to do more than cut a check. And it's colorblind also. Urban areas where there are a lot of poor, specifically poor minorities are not bastions of the Republican party. Those are places where jobs and spendable cash are hard to find.Writing a check and doing no more is still charity. There are different forms of charity.
[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]I don't really have a dog in this fight, as I see stupidity on both sides of the aisle. With that said, I must point out how ironically hilarious it is that several posters now seem to swear by extremely hard work, yet have sit on their ass posting on Gamestop, some up to 10,000+ times. :lol: Since when does posting on Gamespot regularly automatically mean you can't be a hard worker?
I don't really have a dog in this fight, as I see stupidity on both sides of the aisle. With that said, I must point out how ironically hilarious it is that several posters now seem to swear by extremely hard work, yet have sit on their ass posting on Gamestop, some up to 10,000+ times. :lol:Maniacc1
I think determination and high aspirations will get you farther than hard work anyway. Not to say that the concepts are mutually exclusive. Still certain people who aren't capable of pushing others or going out on a limb, or aiming high, can work hard all their lives and not really get anywhere.
[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]I don't really have a dog in this fight, as I see stupidity on both sides of the aisle. With that said, I must point out how ironically hilarious it is that several posters now seem to swear by extremely hard work, yet have sit on their ass posting on Gamestop, some up to 10,000+ times. :lol:I just finished my graduate degree Friday.
[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]I don't really have a dog in this fight, as I see stupidity on both sides of the aisle. With that said, I must point out how ironically hilarious it is that several posters now seem to swear by extremely hard work, yet have sit on their ass posting on Gamestop, some up to 10,000+ times. :lol:kingkong0124
Since when does posting on Gamespot regularly automatically mean you can't be a hard worker?
Since a majority have admitted to posting while they're at work, it kinda goes hand in hand.
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Funny thing is, these right wing heartless Republicans actually donate to charity much more than those caring Dems. KC_Hokie
Charity is much more than giving money. Its a willingness to do more than cut a check. And it's colorblind also. Urban areas where there are a lot of poor, specifically poor minorities are not bastions of the Republican party. Those are places where jobs and spendable cash are hard to find.Writing a check and doing no more is still charity. There are different forms of charity.
[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"]I don't really have a dog in this fight, as I see stupidity on both sides of the aisle. With that said, I must point out how ironically hilarious it is that several posters now seem to swear by extremely hard work, yet have sit on their ass posting on Gamestop, some up to 10,000+ times. :lol:TacticalDesire
Since when does posting on Gamespot regularly automatically mean you can't be a hard worker?
Since a majority have admitted to posting while they're work, it kinda goes hand in hand.
What's wrong with getting your work done then posting. Or working hard and then taking a break?
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"] Charity is much more than giving money. Its a willingness to do more than cut a check. And it's colorblind also. Urban areas where there are a lot of poor, specifically poor minorities are not bastions of the Republican party. Those are places where jobs and spendable cash are hard to find.TacticalDesire
Writing a check and doing no more is still charity. There are different forms of charity.
Sounds like the lazy kind of charity :P.
Being a philanthropist generally isn't hard work. But they are very valuable in society.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Funny thing is, these right wing heartless Republicans actually donate to charity much more than those caring Dems. Charity is much more than giving money. Its a willingness to do more than cut a check. And it's colorblind also. Urban areas where there are a lot of poor, specifically poor minorities are not bastions of the Republican party. Those are places where jobs and spendable cash are hard to find.Writing a check and doing no more is still charity. There are different forms of charity. It's charity, but if we are talking about finding jobs and helping the jobless "start working hard" there needs to be more than checks written. Some of those big banks should be helping to fund infrastructure. That's a better form of charity than send checks randomly to charity funds.
I don't really have a dog in this fight, as I see stupidity on both sides of the aisle. With that said, I must point out how ironically hilarious it is that several posters now seem to swear by extremely hard work, yet have sit on their ass posting on Gamestop, some up to 10,000+ times. :lol:Maniacc1
so to be a hard worker you cant relax or have freetime? seems legit
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"] Charity is much more than giving money. Its a willingness to do more than cut a check. And it's colorblind also. Urban areas where there are a lot of poor, specifically poor minorities are not bastions of the Republican party. Those are places where jobs and spendable cash are hard to find.jimkabrhel
Writing a check and doing no more is still charity. There are different forms of charity. It's charity, but if we are talking about finding jobs and helping the jobless "start working hard" there needs to be more than checks written. Some of those big banks should be helping to fund infrastructure. That's a better form of charity than send checks randomly to charity funds.Giving a check to a non profit creates jobs. The non profit itself hires people and then they obviously spend the money.
Infrastructure? We had all that 'stimulus' and that didn't do **** Infrastructure spending is necessary but it creates few jobs.
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"] Charity is much more than giving money. Its a willingness to do more than cut a check. And it's colorblind also. Urban areas where there are a lot of poor, specifically poor minorities are not bastions of the Republican party. Those are places where jobs and spendable cash are hard to find.Writing a check and doing no more is still charity. There are different forms of charity. It's charity, but if we are talking about finding jobs and helping the jobless "start working hard" there needs to be more than checks written. Some of those big banks should be helping to fund infrastructure. That's a better form of charity than send checks randomly to charity funds. People that grew up poor have public education that is much, much better than public education in Mexico or India.
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