Work Harder, America

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]What's wrong with getting your work done then posting. Or working hard and then taking a break? KC_Hokie

Doesn't sound like the formula for rising to the top, but each to their own.

Nope, but it does make them a less than hard worker, which goes back to what an above poster insinuated.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

Doesn't sound like the formula for rising to the top, but each to their own.

TacticalDesire

Nope, but it does make them a less than hard worker, which goes back to what an above poster insinuated.

You want to know what's really sad in today's society? Occupy protestors. People that are protesting because of their useless degree philosophy or literature. These are the same exact people that want us to suffer because of their own failures. And failure is besides the issue. They don't want to work. At all. America is becoming a country filled with lazy people with no work ethic.

Explain to me, how an immigrant from India or Mexico can come here legally and make more money than you ever did and will. This Indian immigrant probably had a horrible education compared to you and a horrible environment to grow up in. This Indian decides to immigrate to the U.S. and works his ass off at odd jobs, and works his way up. He soon is the true definition of a capitalist and owns a couple gas stations, and is very successful. Don't believe me, go to your local gas station, they're everywhere. They have worked hard without a college degree in a foreign country (which they speak broken English in) and are now successful. There is no such thing as "environmental factors", there's something called willpower, hard work, and common sense. Thing most Occupy protestors lack.

kingkong0124

I don't suppose you have enough of an education to have ever been told that you're over-qualified for a position, do you?

This thread=bastion of simplistic rightwing ignorance.

This thread=bastion of simplistic rightwing ignorance.

GreySeal9

No, there are only 1 job openings for every 4 people who are unemployed. On top of that many people have had to take worse jobs than they normally would; i.e. a Ph.d takes a job normally reserved for bachelor degrees, a person with a bachelors degree takes jobs that normally High School and people with associate degrees would pick up.

Not only are you very poorly informed, but you're completely out of touch with what people are going through.

You can circle jerk with KC all you want but you're completely ignorant to how the world is.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

This Indian immigrant probably had a horrible education compared to you and a horrible environment to grow up in. This Indian decides to immigrate to the U.S. and works his ass off at odd jobs, and works his way up. He soon is the true definition of a capitalist and owns a couple gas stations, and is very successful. Don't believe me, go to your local gas station, they're everywhere.

kingkong0124

I don't think you understand the process for getting into this country either. To become a citizen or even come here for work, you literally have to be more educated than the average citizen, so if you're not rich or don't have a college degree, you aren't getting in.

[QUOTE="kraychik"]

I want to give all the real conservatives in here who belief in personal freedom AND personal responsiblity a big hug. Despite the socialistic leanings of most participants on this board (which is unsurprising given the demographics here), there are still some people (30-some-percent) with their heads on straight who recognize the filth represented by the OWS degenerates.

jimkabrhel

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="kraychik"]

I want to give all the real conservatives in here who belief in personal freedom AND personal responsiblity a big hug. Despite the socialistic leanings of most participants on this board (which is unsurprising given the demographics here), there are still some people (30-some-percent) with their heads on straight who recognize the filth represented by the OWS degenerates.

kraychik

No, there are only 1 job openings for every 4 people who are unemployed. On top of that many people have had to take worse jobs than they normally would; i.e. a Ph.d takes a job normally reserved for bachelor degrees, a person with a bachelors degree takes jobs that normally High School and people with associate degrees would pick up.

Not only are you very poorly informed, but you're completely out of touch with what people are going through.

You can circle jerk with KC all you want but you're completely ignorant to how the world is.

TopTierHustler

...it's another thing altogether to demand positive "rights" that are the fruits of another person's labour. kraychik

So all those execs pocketing the profits from increased worker productivity while purposely stagnating worker wages (workers who havebecome TWICE as productive as their counterparts in 1972 but recieving the same (adjusted) pay as a 1972 worker) you would consider 'filth'?

Didn't think so. :roll:

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="entropyecho"]

Wall Street should just hire the Occupiers - kill two birds with one stone.

kingkong0124

and all of our parents shamed us by retorting "grow up, you dont want to be flipping burgers your whole life do you?" as if its somehow a less noble way to feed your self. everyone is part of the problem. saying we must go to college to get a job. no matter what. have you been to college? i picked my major. was told there are 100 seats available. they would take no more students after that. those who tried and didnt make switched to those "useless" majors. what would you have them do? drop out? so they walk out of the college gauntlet in debt, with no way to pay it off.

they feel entitled to these high jobs because they were told they are entitled to those jobs. even with a degree. a job is offereing entry level requiring 2-3 years experience. its fu(ked the whole way

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

Maybe, your OP is somewhat contradictory though. You talk about "useless philosophy degrees" implying that they should have studied something else, and then later talk about people rising up without a college degree at all.

TacticalDesire

I don't think anyone is in a position to judge what is "worthwhile" and what is not.

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] I'm saying they should have used their privilege to go to an university much more seriously and spent it on something worthwhile. kraychik

I don't think anyone is in a position to judge what is "worthwhile" and what is not.

That's the world for ya.

Says a lot about America failing to educate youths about realistic expectations.

one_plum

[QUOTE="kraychik"]

So all those execs pocketing the profits from increased worker productivity while purposely stagnating worker wages (workers who havebecome TWICE as productive as their counterparts in 1972 but recieving the same (adjusted) pay as a 1972 worker) you would consider 'filth'?

Didn't think so. :roll:

br0kenrabbit

[QUOTE="kraychik"]...it's another thing altogether to demand positive "rights" that are the fruits of another person's labour. br0kenrabbit

So all those execs pocketing the profits from increased worker productivity while purposely stagnating worker wages (workers who havebecome TWICE as productive as their counterparts in 1972 but recieving the same (adjusted) pay as a 1972 worker) you would consider 'filth'?

Didn't think so. :roll:

i was watching hannity one day and he totally tore apart this OWS protester telling him he needs to get his ass off the streets and find a job no matter how menial or demeaning. i thought it was funny as shtZumaJones07

[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

I don't think anyone is in a position to judge what is "worthwhile" and what is not.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="kraychik"] [QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="kraychik"]...it's another thing altogether to demand positive "rights" that are the fruits of another person's labour. kraychik

So all those execs pocketing the profits from increased worker productivity while purposely stagnating worker wages (workers who havebecome TWICE as productive as their counterparts in 1972 but recieving the same (adjusted) pay as a 1972 worker) you would consider 'filth'?

Didn't think so. :roll:

what part of their hair and piercings makes them pathetic. the hell kind of judgement is that? would you say im pathetic for holding a great job as an aerospace engineer even with tattoos and facial piercings. is that unacceptable despite me being incredible at my job?

[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

So all those execs pocketing the profits from increased worker productivity while purposely stagnating worker wages (workers who havebecome TWICE as productive as their counterparts in 1972 but recieving the same (adjusted) pay as a 1972 worker) you would consider 'filth'?

Didn't think so. :roll:

blackacidevil96

what part of their hair and piercings makes them pathetic. the hell kind of judgement is that? would you say im pathetic for holding a great job as an aerospace engineer even with tattoos and facial piercings. is that unacceptable despite me being incredible at my job?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]nah i know alot that complain and blame occupy are the people getting up and not being lazy about their complaints

almasdeathchild

First of all, I don't accept that graph at face value.. Second, the OWS protesters seem to be mostly unemployed and pathetic (dreadlocks, dirty hippies, disgusting facial piercings and "body art", etc). I do not think the OWS crowd is representative of the average worker you are suggesting is getting a raw deal that you are trying to garner sympathy for. This narrative of "the rich getting richer" at the expense of everyone else is fantasy communistic class warfare mumbo jumbo. Economic woes, as we're experiencing them, are almost exclusively the product of government regulation and influence, as opposed to the lie about "unregulated and unfettered capitalism gone awry".kraychik

Research the terms 'Real Wages' and 'Purchasing Power', compare those indices with those of the past 30 years, and then compare them to the worker productivity indices. It's a very real problem.

Worker wages have stagnated while worker productivity has increased. So why has executive pay increased %300+? If they can't afford to compensate the workers for the increased productivity, where is the rise in executive pay coming from?

Adam Smith would be the first to tell you that moving money in one direction only is a sure recipe for slow economic suicide.

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

[QUOTE="kraychik"] First of all, I don't accept that graph at face value.. Second, the OWS protesters seem to be mostly unemployed and pathetic (dreadlocks, dirty hippies, disgusting facial piercings and "body art", etc). I do not think the OWS crowd is representative of the average worker you are suggesting is getting a raw deal that you are trying to garner sympathy for. This narrative of "the rich getting richer" at the expense of everyone else is fantasy communistic class warfare mumbo jumbo. Economic woes, as we're experiencing them, are almost exclusively the product of government regulation and influence, as opposed to the lie about "unregulated and unfettered capitalism gone awry".kraychik

what part of their hair and piercings makes them pathetic. the hell kind of judgement is that? would you say im pathetic for holding a great job as an aerospace engineer even with tattoos and facial piercings. is that unacceptable despite me being incredible at my job?

its the pedastool you seemed to be standing on that i find so disconscerning. and you made implication that body art is what caused someone to become a degenerate. which is plain false. and i do believe that crowed is filled with professionals in the making. body art is not what made them unemployed. i for one work with several who gladly walkin into work bearing full tattoo sleaves. i work with pot heads. i work with drunks. i work with a far less proportion suit wearing dbags on an ego trip. we are a mixed group and we are all incredible at our jobs.

[QUOTE="kraychik"] First of all, I don't accept that graph at face value.. Second, the OWS protesters seem to be mostly unemployed and pathetic (dreadlocks, dirty hippies, disgusting facial piercings and "body art", etc). I do not think the OWS crowd is representative of the average worker you are suggesting is getting a raw deal that you are trying to garner sympathy for. This narrative of "the rich getting richer" at the expense of everyone else is fantasy communistic class warfare mumbo jumbo. Economic woes, as we're experiencing them, are almost exclusively the product of government regulation and influence, as opposed to the lie about "unregulated and unfettered capitalism gone awry".br0kenrabbit

Research the terms 'Real Wages' and 'Purchasing Power', compare those indices with those of the past 30 years, and then compare them to the worker productivity indices. It's a very real problem.

Worker wages have stagnated while worker productivity has increased. So why has executive pay increased %300+? If they can't afford to compensate the workers for the increased productivity, where is the rise in executive pay coming from?

Adam Smith would be the first to tell you that moving money in one direction only is a sure recipe for slow economic suicide.

[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

what part of their hair and piercings makes them pathetic. the hell kind of judgement is that? would you say im pathetic for holding a great job as an aerospace engineer even with tattoos and facial piercings. is that unacceptable despite me being incredible at my job?

blackacidevil96

its the pedastool you seemed to be standing on that i find so disconscerning. and you made implication that body art is what caused someone to become a degenerate. which is plain false. and i do believe that crowed is filled with professionals in the making. body art is not what made them unemployed. i for one work with several who gladly walkin into work bearing full tattoo sleaves. i work with pot heads. i work with drunks. i work with a far less proportion suit wearing dbags on an ego trip. we are a mixed group and we are all incredible at our jobs.

[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No. They are politically active demanding money from successful people. That still makes them lazy. DarkOfKnight

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

[QUOTE="kraychik"] Yes, I am being judgmental, but I am not as far off-base as you seem to be trying to make me out to be. Of course there are exceptions to all rules, but you can't really believe that the OWS crowd is filled with professionals will practical educations. If you are an aerospace engineer with tattoos and facial piercings, good for you - but tattoos and facial piercings are more prevalent among unemployed losers with a misplaced sense of entitlement than they are among aerospace engineering professionals. This shouldn't be that controversial.kraychik

its the pedastool you seemed to be standing on that i find so disconscerning. and you made implication that body art is what caused someone to become a degenerate. which is plain false. and i do believe that crowed is filled with professionals in the making. body art is not what made them unemployed. i for one work with several who gladly walkin into work bearing full tattoo sleaves. i work with pot heads. i work with drunks. i work with a far less proportion suit wearing dbags on an ego trip. we are a mixed group and we are all incredible at our jobs.

i just think their movement is a little misdirected as wallstreet isnt the beast that conjured this whole mess. nor do i addvocated violence or communism. again and let me restate. the point im making at this moment is directed at you and you alone. in how you address your fellow human. as if you are some divine being of wisdom. who has the answer to all. what ever the cause, the OWS movements exists. and if our gears were turning correctly we would see that they are not a product of their own selves, but the product of a solcial system that has bred them that way. everyone is to blam.

[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

its the pedastool you seemed to be standing on that i find so disconscerning. and you made implication that body art is what caused someone to become a degenerate. which is plain false. and i do believe that crowed is filled with professionals in the making. body art is not what made them unemployed. i for one work with several who gladly walkin into work bearing full tattoo sleaves. i work with pot heads. i work with drunks. i work with a far less proportion suit wearing dbags on an ego trip. we are a mixed group and we are all incredible at our jobs.

blackacidevil96

i just think their movement is a little misdirected as wallstreet isnt the beast that conjured this whole mess. nor do i addvocated violence or communism. again and let me restate. the point im making at this moment is directed at you and you alone. in how you address your fellow human. as if you are some divine being of wisdom. who has the answer to all. what ever the cause, the OWS movements exists. and if our gears were turning correctly we would see that they are not a product of their own selves, but the product of a solcial system that has bred them that way. everyone is to blam.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="kraychik"]...it's another thing altogether to demand positive "rights" that are the fruits of another person's labour. kraychik

So all those execs pocketing the profits from increased worker productivity while purposely stagnating worker wages (workers who havebecome TWICE as productive as their counterparts in 1972 but recieving the same (adjusted) pay as a 1972 worker) you would consider 'filth'?

Didn't think so. :roll:

"The evidence shows me to be wrong therefore I don't believe it." F*cking brilliant logic you have there. Delusional morons like krachik are always good for a laugh.

I am not an ignorant schmuck, I am familiar with these terms and this narrative, but I reject the premise. I know GameSpot isn't the best venue for such a discussion, but without a smart system for calculating the cost of living (which has gone down in many ways and in many places in America), "stagnant wages" doesn't provide us with enough context to support your assertion that workers are being more productive, yet being ripped off while executives make off with all of the profit. It's a communistic narrative, and all information I've come across making this assertion has always been transparently leftist - especially when I examined the methodology used to arrive at these statistics. kraychik

I've plenty more, you can disagree all you want but the numbers are there.

Notice the date correlation with this graph and the other graph. What happened in the 1970s? Does the Brookings Institution and the American Enterprise Institute ring any bells?

Here's a hint: deregulation.

[QUOTE="kraychik"] First of all, I don't accept that graph at face value.. Second, the OWS protesters seem to be mostly unemployed and pathetic (dreadlocks, dirty hippies, disgusting facial piercings and "body art", etc). I do not think the OWS crowd is representative of the average worker you are suggesting is getting a raw deal that you are trying to garner sympathy for. This narrative of "the rich getting richer" at the expense of everyone else is fantasy communistic class warfare mumbo jumbo. Economic woes, as we're experiencing them, are almost exclusively the product of government regulation and influence, as opposed to the lie about "unregulated and unfettered capitalism gone awry".br0kenrabbit

Research the terms 'Real Wages' and 'Purchasing Power', compare those indices with those of the past 30 years, and then compare them to the worker productivity indices. It's a very real problem.

Worker wages have stagnated while worker productivity has increased. So why has executive pay increased %300+? If they can't afford to compensate the workers for the increased productivity, where is the rise in executive pay coming from?

Adam Smith would be the first to tell you that moving money in one direction only is a sure recipe for slow economic suicide.

Americans need to work smarter not harder.

Lol at this thread.

Hubadubalubahu

You know when Americans really worked hard? During Slavery.

Just sayin'. Perhaps we need some real Conservative thinking to solve our economic woes.

Remember a few years ago when the older generations thought that our young people would never take action when something bad happened? That we would never protest, fight back, or even just take interest in Government?

Nowadays we have young people voting in record numbers, organizing protests across the country, and have a clear signal they are attempting to tell to people: That the system currently is broken and it is the innocents that must pay for mistakes done on the governments part. Politicians are now trying to appeal the young people, the media takes interest in the Occupy protests, and I haven't heard a single thing in the last 2 years where the common stereotype about the younger generations is that they don't take action.

For as unorganized and hasty as the Occupy protests were, they sent a message that we're not a lazy as everyone thinks we are and when pushed, we push back. No one is willing to take these things laying down. That's will, right there.

Every developed country has idiotic college grads who think that their degrees make them imprtant, it's not just America. Based on a trip I took to Europe when I was 13, I'd say France and Spain have it just the same as us.

It's not what you know, it's who you know.DroidPhysX

Don't blame America's problems on philosophy. I don't worry about what job I'll get with my philosophy degree because finding a job IS NOT HARD.SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Don't blame America's problems on philosophy. I don't worry about what job I'll get with my philosophy degree because finding a job IS NOT HARD.SteverXIII

And the fact that you used the word filth suggests that as a representative of the right, you have no sympathy for anyone. Most of the time, I see more of "they have more than me, so eats bring them down to our level" or "who cares about the poor, they should just get jobs". I think that the right would do a lot better if all the positive talk they used was towards the poor rather than the rich.jimkabrhel

You mean the "we want everyone to be rich" line doesn't apply to the poor? Could have fooled me. I thought everyone actually meant EVERYONE.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]And the fact that you used the word filth suggests that as a representative of the right, you have no sympathy for anyone. Most of the time, I see more of "they have more than me, so eats bring them down to our level" or "who cares about the poor, they should just get jobs". I think that the right would do a lot better if all the positive talk they used was towards the poor rather than the rich.airshocker

You mean the "we want everyone to be rich" line doesn't apply to the poor? Could have fooled me. I thought everyone actually meant EVERYONE.

I objected specifically to the word "filth" in respect to liberals.

Yes america, work harder and drag us out of this recession please!

If the jobs aren't there, how can one work harder?

We are in a crossroads right now. More and more people with college education are oversaturating the job markets. This raises the requirement for jobs on every level. Supply and demand in action.

You can't just magically create the jobs. It will just take more time as people adapt to the changing requirements of the market.

Pair this with the current mentality of "you're to smart for that job" which has been taught to our youth for the past 20 years, and there are going to be a lot of people without work.