World's Population is 7 billion

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] You can't pretend to understand fallacious arguments when you can't even discuss without using strawman arguments pal. Better luck next timekuraimen

i saw your argument for what it was, and i got you to admit to what you would not have without being challenged,

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]ad hominem^ you made your own argument, and my case. even if everything i said was ignored what you have said still stands on its own.surrealnumber5

i saw your argument for what it was, and i got you to admit to what you would not have without being challenged,

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Sure, whatever.kuraimen

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] yeah still stands without the need for strawman arguments used to pretend i said things i didn't.kuraimen

i saw your argument for what it was, and i got you to admit to what you would not have without being challenged,

a product of SW's argument breeding programJandurin

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I think humanity is already a plague. I personally found disturbing that this news was not met with more outrage. Many people having children do it for their own selfish reasons not even thinking about the children much less about the planet. I think there will be a rough wake up call. It would be better if we start thinking now about controlling the population before that happens but then people will start screaming at how that is violating their rights. Well I think the "rights" of the planet along with the rest of the species are much more important than their puny little right to reproduce unrestrictedly surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I think humanity is already a plague. I personally found disturbing that this news was not met with more outrage. Many people having children do it for their own selfish reasons not even thinking about the children much less about the planet. I think there will be a rough wake up call. It would be better if we start thinking now about controlling the population before that happens but then people will start screaming at how that is violating their rights. Well I think the "rights" of the planet along with the rest of the species are much more important than their puny little right to reproduce unrestrictedly kuraimen

You're right - you don't know what a strawman is.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] poor mothers need to be subsidized, where is your heart? OMG there are too many poor mothers now what can we do? we must subsidizes them more! WTF now there are even more poor mothers, WTF is going on? this must mean other people are dumb and dont consider the ramifications of what they preach....

worlock77

You're right - you don't know what a strawman is.

You guys got to be F'en kidding me. Why can anybody ever look on the bright side of things. When was having more life ever a bad thing. Think of the good it comes with it, all the advancement in technology and so on. And dont be blaming races for "overpopulating".ossama224

[QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"]

I think right about now the best case scenario would be that somehow Africa just gets colonised again by europe and they put a ban on babys to stop the growth there and the richer european countries eventually build up the country again and look after it indefenetly.

While that is going on India and China have a huge war not using any nukes what so ever and just millions possibly billions die in the war.

As F%#$ED up as it seems i think that may work.

BranKetra

Not if there was just a limit. Kind of like China.

You guys got to be F'en kidding me. Why can anybody ever look on the bright side of things. When was having more life ever a bad thing. Think of the good it comes with it, all the advancement in technology and so on. And dont be blaming races for "overpopulating".ossama224

Everything in moderation, my friend. Life is great, but you also have to be realistic about the impending problems excess population presents.

Excess population in third world countries isn't going to progress technology. They're poor as **** and are just trying to live for tomorrow.

[QUOTE="ossama224"]You guys got to be F'en kidding me. Why can anybody ever look on the bright side of things. When was having more life ever a bad thing. Think of the good it comes with it, all the advancement in technology and so on. And dont be blaming races for "overpopulating".kuraimen

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] If that's not a strawman I don't know what is. SW arguments seem mature compared to this.kuraimen

You're right - you don't know what a strawman is.

A strawman is where one takes an argument that his opponent never made, presents it as his opponent's argument, and then attacks that instead. That's not what Surreal is doing there. Surreal is making a deliberately absurd argument to counter what he percieves as an absurd argument. As for the maturity of it I won't argue for or against that bit.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"]

I think right about now the best case scenario would be that somehow Africa just gets colonised again by europe and they put a ban on babys to stop the growth there and the richer european countries eventually build up the country again and look after it indefenetly.

While that is going on India and China have a huge war not using any nukes what so ever and just millions possibly billions die in the war.

As F%#$ED up as it seems i think that may work.

Optical_Order

Not if there was just a limit. Kind of like China.

And that limit has worked so well for China.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ossama224"]You guys got to be F'en kidding me. Why can anybody ever look on the bright side of things. When was having more life ever a bad thing. Think of the good it comes with it, all the advancement in technology and so on. And dont be blaming races for "overpopulating".ossama224

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"]

I think right about now the best case scenario would be that somehow Africa just gets colonised again by europe and they put a ban on babys to stop the growth there and the richer european countries eventually build up the country again and look after it indefenetly.

While that is going on India and China have a huge war not using any nukes what so ever and just millions possibly billions die in the war.

As F%#$ED up as it seems i think that may work.

Not if there was just a limit. Kind of like China.

A strawman is where one takes an argument that his opponent never made, presents it as his opponent's argument, and then attacks that instead. That's not what Surreal is doing there. Surreal is making a deliberately absurd argument to counter what he percieves as an absurd argument. As for the maturity of it I won't argue for or against that bit.

worlock77

Well he never addressed any of the points I made he just made an assumption that my arguments had to do with me wanting poor people to starve to death or at least reduced my argument to that and decide to focus on that. For me that's clearly a strawman.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]I know im gonna get **** for this but, what on Gods green earth are we doing in Africa? The problem isn't so much disease or food shortages its the fact that they keep having sex and ****** out babies. There's a chart that i have to find that shows that industrilized countries have slow to non existant growth rate. Poor countries have enormous birth/growth rates. Thats where the problem lies. Everyone says how we need to contribute to more food and medicine in Africa, How about we tell them to stop ******ing so much eh? That would alleviate the problem a bit. wis3boi

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] I would say no. Forcing one group of people to stop breeding is essentially genocide.worlock77

Not if there was just a limit. Kind of like China.

And that limit has worked so well for China.

It's prevented somewhere in the ballpark of 500-700 million births.

But yeah, I guess it's useless.

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] I would say no. Forcing one group of people to stop breeding is essentially genocide.BranKetra

Not if there was just a limit. Kind of like China.

Sooo you're thinking that these third world countries are going to start reasoning with themselves and stop having children? Gimme a break.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

Not if there was just a limit. Kind of like China.

Optical_Order

Sooo you're thinking that these third world countries are going to start reasoning with themselves and stop having children? Gimme a break.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

Not if there was just a limit. Kind of like China.

Optical_Order

And that limit has worked so well for China.

It's prevented somewhere in the ballpark of 500-700 million births.

But yeah, I guess it's useless.

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Perhaps. If there's a choice, I would think it more honorable to impose laws on yourself before other people.ossama224

Sooo you're thinking that these third world countries are going to start reasoning with themselves and stop having children? Gimme a break.

You're simply not getting it and are switching the subject and are trying to belittle me for whatever reason.

We're done here.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

Not if there was just a limit. Kind of like China.

Sooo you're thinking that these third world countries are going to start reasoning with themselves and stop having children? Gimme a break.

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Perhaps. If there's a choice, I would think it more honorable to impose laws on yourself before other people.ossama224

Sooo you're thinking that these third world countries are going to start reasoning with themselves and stop having children? Gimme a break.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

Not if there was just a limit. Kind of like China.

Optical_Order

And that limit has worked so well for China.

It's prevented somewhere in the ballpark of 500-700 million births.

But yeah, I guess it's useless.

Has it really? And if it's such an effective policy then why is their population now at 1.3 billion and climbing?

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

And that limit has worked so well for China.

surrealnumber5

It's prevented somewhere in the ballpark of 500-700 million births.

But yeah, I guess it's useless.

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Perhaps. If there's a choice, I would think it more honorable to impose laws on yourself before other people.EmpCom

Sooo you're thinking that these third world countries are going to start reasoning with themselves and stop having children? Gimme a break.

So you want a country to breed more than it can support?

That makes sense.

[QUOTE="ossama224"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

Sooo you're thinking that these third world countries are going to start reasoning with themselves and stop having children? Gimme a break.

DroidPhysX

Meanwhile we here in the west consume more resources per person than a couple dozen of them.

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

And that limit has worked so well for China.

worlock77

It's prevented somewhere in the ballpark of 500-700 million births.

But yeah, I guess it's useless.

Has it really? And if it's such an effective policy then why is their population now at 1.3 billion and climbing?

Yes, it has. Would you rather it be at 2 billion and climbing?

I acknowledge it's still a problem, I'm just saying that it did help to an extent.

[QUOTE="ossama224"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

Sooo you're thinking that these third world countries are going to start reasoning with themselves and stop having children? Gimme a break.

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

Sooo you're thinking that these third world countries are going to start reasoning with themselves and stop having children? Gimme a break.

So you want a country to breed more than it can support?

That makes sense.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

It's prevented somewhere in the ballpark of 500-700 million births.

But yeah, I guess it's useless.

Optical_Order

Has it really? And if it's such an effective policy then why is their population now at 1.3 billion and climbing?

Yes, it has. Would you rather it be at 2 billion and climbing?

I acknowledge it's still a problem, I'm just saying that it did help to an extent.

Has it really prevented that many births? Is there any source for this? I'm honestly curious, as I don't know what their policy is exactly. Do they force sterilizations if you have more than your limit of children? Do they kill one child off? Do they just carry the child away and put it in an orphanage?

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"] They can breed all they want as its not them thats the drain o the wold resourcesEmpCom

So you want a country to breed more than it can support?

That makes sense.

I'm an American. It's what we do. Stick our noses in things :P

You're right, it's not MY problem. But, it is a BIG probelm that could eventually affect everyone. THEN it would be my business.

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Has it really? And if it's such an effective policy then why is their population now at 1.3 billion and climbing?

worlock77

Yes, it has. Would you rather it be at 2 billion and climbing?

I acknowledge it's still a problem, I'm just saying that it did help to an extent.

Has it really prevented that many births? Is there any source for this? I'm honestly curious, as I don't know what their policy is exactly. Do they force sterilizations if you have more than your limit of children? Do they kill one child off? Do they just carry the child away and put it in an orphanage?

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

So you want a country to breed more than it can support?

That makes sense.

I'm an American. It's what we do. Stick our noses in things :P

You're right, it's not MY problem. But, it is a BIG probelm that could eventually affect everyone. THEN it would be my business.

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Has it really? And if it's such an effective policy then why is their population now at 1.3 billion and climbing?

worlock77

Yes, it has. Would you rather it be at 2 billion and climbing?

I acknowledge it's still a problem, I'm just saying that it did help to an extent.

Has it really prevented that many births? Is there any source for this? I'm honestly curious, as I don't know what their policy is exactly. Do they force sterilizations if you have more than your limit of children? Do they kill one child off? Do they just carry the child away and put it in an orphanage?

Google it. I'm not your source finder. I may have had my numbers a little high though. I've read numbers as low as 300 million to 500 million.

Either way, it did help some.

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"] It dont have to maker sense as its their country and none of your businessEmpCom

I'm an American. It's what we do. Stick our noses in things :P

You're right, it's not MY problem. But, it is a BIG probelm that could eventually affect everyone. THEN it would be my business.

Thanks for that statement that had absolutely...nothing to do with this topic.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

Yes, it has. Would you rather it be at 2 billion and climbing?

I acknowledge it's still a problem, I'm just saying that it did help to an extent.

Optical_Order

Has it really prevented that many births? Is there any source for this? I'm honestly curious, as I don't know what their policy is exactly. Do they force sterilizations if you have more than your limit of children? Do they kill one child off? Do they just carry the child away and put it in an orphanage?

Google it. I'm not your source finder. I may have had my numbers a little high though. I've read numbers as low as 300 million to 500 million.

Either way, it did help some.

No. You're making the specific claim. It's not my task to support your claim.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

Yes, it has. Would you rather it be at 2 billion and climbing?

I acknowledge it's still a problem, I'm just saying that it did help to an extent.

Optical_Order

Has it really prevented that many births? Is there any source for this? I'm honestly curious, as I don't know what their policy is exactly. Do they force sterilizations if you have more than your limit of children? Do they kill one child off? Do they just carry the child away and put it in an orphanage?

Google it. I'm not your source finder. I may have had my numbers a little high though. I've read numbers as low as 300 million to 500 million.

Either way, it did help some.