WWII Vet Writes to Obama. I think You all oughta read this.

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="ZombiefiedZomB"]I think that we need more citizens/vets like him, we should not be afraid to speak out against Obama !Snipes_2

Oh yeah because Obama has made it sooo hard to speak out against him:roll:

This email is the greatest thing to come from the obama presidency thus far

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

Oh yeah because Obama has made it sooo hard to speak out against him:roll:

PannicAtack

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] He addressed and poked fun at the Tea Party...How lame can you get? :lol:Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Ah so it is indirectly forcing them to not say anything.... riiiight.

By the same mindset, we should take all criticism or negative comments as indirect silencing of the person/people it is directed at.

But that is definitely not what we (should) do, now is it...

Teenaged

Calling it direct silencing is beyond my imagination of exaggeration.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] I'd do more than poke fun at people who are calling me a Nazi and accusing me of faking my nationality.Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] He isn't indirectly silencing them...Targeting a specific group isn't indirect. If you were receiving negative comments from the President about your viewpoints on Television would you call that indirect?Snipes_2

Calling it direct silencing is beyond my imagination of exaggeration.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] He isn't indirectly silencing them...Targeting a specific group isn't indirect. If you were receiving negative comments from the President about your viewpoints on Television would you call that indirect?Snipes_2

Calling it direct silencing is beyond my imagination of exaggeration.

Like I said, by that mindset we should label all sorts of criticism, as direct (according to you) silencing of those it is directed at.

But do we? No we dont. Why should we do that here?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Bush didn't seem to have a problem with it. :)

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Yes if we are talking about "silencing" it is indirect at most.

Calling it direct silencing is beyond my imagination of exaggeration.

Teenaged

Like I said, by that mindset we should label all sorts of criticism, as direct (according to you) silencing of those it is directed at.

But do we? No we dont. Why should we do that here?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]So what if he didnt?

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Yes if we are talking about "silencing" it is indirect at most.

Calling it direct silencing is beyond my imagination of exaggeration.

wstfld

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Why did Obama?Snipes_2

The McCain rumors were dismissed quickly and never grew to the scale that the Obama ones did, simply because people actually accepted the evidence in McCain's case, which basically all birthers do not do in the case of Obama.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Yes if we are talking about "silencing" it is indirect at most.

Calling it direct silencing is beyond my imagination of exaggeration.

Snipes_2

I missed most of the discussion, but I hope you're not implying this as limiting one's freedom of speech because in this case, anyone throughout history with an unpopular opinion would have had their freedom of speech denied.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Yes if we are talking about "silencing" it is indirect at most.

Calling it direct silencing is beyond my imagination of exaggeration.

one_plum

I missed most of the discussion, but I hope you're not implying this as limiting one's freedom of speech because in this case, anyone throughout history with an unpopular opinion would have had their freedom of speech denied.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]You still havent answered as to why the comparison to Bush has any use here.

chessmaster1989

The McCain rumors were dismissed quickly and never grew to the scale that the Obama ones did, simply because people actually accepted the evidence in McCain's case, which basically all birthers do not do in the case of Obama.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Why did Obama?Snipes_2

This was by a small fringe group that exists on every side.. The tea party on the other hand is a growing group that may actually win some seats in office, and the Republicans are seriously debating going down that path..

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I thought it was obvious...He was also likened to a "Nazi" and people questioned where McCain was born as well. Snipes_2

The McCain rumors were dismissed quickly and never grew to the scale that the Obama ones did, simply because people actually accepted the evidence in McCain's case, which basically all birthers do not do in the case of Obama.

No where near such scale..

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]You still havent answered as to why the comparison to Bush has any use here.

sSubZerOo

This was by a small fringe group that exists on every side.. The tea party on the other hand is a growing group that may actually win some seats in office, and the Republicans are seriously debating going down that path..

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

The McCain rumors were dismissed quickly and never grew to the scale that the Obama ones did, simply because people actually accepted the evidence in McCain's case, which basically all birthers do not do in the case of Obama.

sSubZerOo

No where near such scale..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I'm sure there are still some people who think McCain isn't American. Always are. The point is, what's happening to Obama is not any different than what has happened to others. Snipes_2

No where near such scale..

Actually it was talked about constantly beyond the election.. Even when a birth certificate was provided.. My statement was more directed at a overarching theme towards Obama in which a splinter group that is risking to overrun the Republican party is so openly hostile towards Obama.. To the point they are willling to compare him to the likes of Stalin for supposedly being Socialist (when he is not).. There is a great many deal you can be critical towards Obama (I know I have quite a few criticisms), but the Tea Party rarely has touched upon them nor has little clue whats going on.. For instance the Tea party was all created about supposedly raising taxes.. Taxes havn't raised, they are infact one of the lowest periods of all time.. Then contridicting their views in lowering teh debt they wish to keep a big military and continue wars in the Middle East.. That if you take in projected costs of both wars right now.. It dwarfs just about any other single thing on the list..

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

No where near such scale..

sSubZerOo

Actually it was talked about constantly beyond the election.. Even when a birth certificate was provided.. My statement was more directed at a overarching theme towards Obama in which a splinter group that is risking to overrun the Republican party is so openly hostile towards Obama.. To the point they are willling to compare him to the likes of Stalin for supposedly being Socialist (when he is not).. There is a great many deal you can be critical towards Obama (I know I have quite a few criticisms), but the Tea Party rarely has touched upon them nor has little clue whats going on.. For instance the Tea party was all created about supposedly raising taxes.. Taxes havn't raised, they are infact one of the lowest periods of all time.. Then contridicting their views in lowering teh debt they wish to keep a big military and continue wars in the Middle East.. That if you take in projected costs of both wars right now.. It dwarfs just about any other single thing on the list..

There were groups comparing Bush to Hitler...I haven't seen any tea party members talking on the news or anything comparing him to Stalin or Hitler If one or two people did that's not representative of the entire Party. The Tea Party was created for Taxes...when there was talk of Obama raising them and when Bills were proposed that would raise them and Taxes have gone up since then.

Taxes on Tobacco ironically: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/29/single-largest-cigarette-tax-hike-goes-effect-wednesday/

And he proposes to raise more Taxes: http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/01/pf/taxes/obama_budget_tax_changes/

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I haven't heard anything about Obamas birth since the Election...Snipes_2

Actually it was talked about constantly beyond the election.. Even when a birth certificate was provided.. My statement was more directed at a overarching theme towards Obama in which a splinter group that is risking to overrun the Republican party is so openly hostile towards Obama.. To the point they are willling to compare him to the likes of Stalin for supposedly being Socialist (when he is not).. There is a great many deal you can be critical towards Obama (I know I have quite a few criticisms), but the Tea Party rarely has touched upon them nor has little clue whats going on.. For instance the Tea party was all created about supposedly raising taxes.. Taxes havn't raised, they are infact one of the lowest periods of all time.. Then contridicting their views in lowering teh debt they wish to keep a big military and continue wars in the Middle East.. That if you take in projected costs of both wars right now.. It dwarfs just about any other single thing on the list..

There were groups comparing Bush to Hitler...I haven't seen any tea party members talking on the news or anything comparing him to Stalin or Hitler If one or two people did that's not representative of the entire Party. The Tea Party was created for Taxes...when there was talk of Obama raising them and when Bills were proposed that would raise them and Taxes have gone up since then.

Taxes on Tobacco ironically: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/29/single-largest-cigarette-tax-hike-goes-effect-wednesday/

And he proposes to raise more Taxes: http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/01/pf/taxes/obama_budget_tax_changes/

A) Bush's tax cuts don't fade out for another few years.. Taxes are goingt o have to raise one way or the other.. The Tea party said it was instantous..

B) We have already had threads where local tea party groups posted comparable things on billboards.. These are not fringe groups like every otehr, these are people that identify and are signed to the Tea party..

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Actually it was talked about constantly beyond the election.. Even when a birth certificate was provided.. My statement was more directed at a overarching theme towards Obama in which a splinter group that is risking to overrun the Republican party is so openly hostile towards Obama.. To the point they are willling to compare him to the likes of Stalin for supposedly being Socialist (when he is not).. There is a great many deal you can be critical towards Obama (I know I have quite a few criticisms), but the Tea Party rarely has touched upon them nor has little clue whats going on.. For instance the Tea party was all created about supposedly raising taxes.. Taxes havn't raised, they are infact one of the lowest periods of all time.. Then contridicting their views in lowering teh debt they wish to keep a big military and continue wars in the Middle East.. That if you take in projected costs of both wars right now.. It dwarfs just about any other single thing on the list..

sSubZerOo

There were groups comparing Bush to Hitler...I haven't seen any tea party members talking on the news or anything comparing him to Stalin or Hitler If one or two people did that's not representative of the entire Party. The Tea Party was created for Taxes...when there was talk of Obama raising them and when Bills were proposed that would raise them and Taxes have gone up since then.

Taxes on Tobacco ironically: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/29/single-largest-cigarette-tax-hike-goes-effect-wednesday/

And he proposes to raise more Taxes: http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/01/pf/taxes/obama_budget_tax_changes/

A) Bush's tax cuts don't fade out for another few years.. Taxes are goingt o have to raise one way or the other.. The Tea party said it was instantous..

B) We have already had threads where local tea party groups posted comparable things on billboards.. These are not fringe groups like every otehr, these are people that identify and are signed to the Tea party..

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] It instills fear in those opposing you...Snipes_2

Like I said, by that mindset we should label all sorts of criticism, as direct (according to you) silencing of those it is directed at.

But do we? No we dont. Why should we do that here?

1. Just as a president speaking out against someone isnt silencing them.

2. This is ridiculous. In the end, you only find your labels reasonable but when I apply the equivalent labels the other way around using your own logic you simply deny them and just reiterate your view. I dont think theres much to discuss here.

The difference between me and you, and the president would be considerable if the presidents different position had a practical different effect when he criticises someone

When a president criticises some people, are those people threatened by means of violence?

Do you believe the president exudes so much fear as a political persona that everyone gets scared when he comments about them?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Why did Obama?Snipes_2

Why is not responding to insults (Bush) better than responding to them (Obama)?

I agree with him but if Obama ever even get's these emails, I doubt it will mean anything to him. He probably receives thousands of hate letters a day just like any president.

Pirate700

Sadly, this is most likely the situation... I agree with him completely though. Our president cares more about his religious views than taking care of our country.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I agree with him but if Obama ever even get's these emails, I doubt it will mean anything to him. He probably receives thousands of hate letters a day just like any president.

Nyxathid_Horror

Sadly, this is most likely the situation... I agree with him completely though. Our president cares more about his religious views than taking care of our country.

He is his own religion. He's already developed a cult of personality around himself. Just look at all the fanatics on here alone who worship the water he walks on.

[QUOTE="Nyxathid_Horror"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I agree with him but if Obama ever even get's these emails, I doubt it will mean anything to him. He probably receives thousands of hate letters a day just like any president.

Tangmashi

Sadly, this is most likely the situation... I agree with him completely though. Our president cares more about his religious views than taking care of our country.

He is his own religion. He's already developed a cult of personality around himself. Just look at all the fanatics on here alone who worship the water he walks on.

[QUOTE="Nyxathid_Horror"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I agree with him but if Obama ever even get's these emails, I doubt it will mean anything to him. He probably receives thousands of hate letters a day just like any president.

Tangmashi

Sadly, this is most likely the situation... I agree with him completely though. Our president cares more about his religious views than taking care of our country.

He is his own religion. He's already developed a cult of personality around himself. Just look at all the fanatics on here alone who worship the water he walks on.

I have seen the exact opposite though. People bashing Obama for the most stupid of things.

[QUOTE="Tangmashi"]

[QUOTE="Nyxathid_Horror"]

Sadly, this is most likely the situation... I agree with him completely though. Our president cares more about his religious views than taking care of our country.

Teenaged

He is his own religion. He's already developed a cult of personality around himself. Just look at all the fanatics on here alone who worship the water he walks on.

I have seen the exact opposite though. People bashing Obama for the most stupid of things.

Praise be Obama... But seriously the only recent time I saw any one coming close to that claim was that one crazy interview.. IN Bible Belt America before a McCain rally in which people claimed both McCain and Palin had the holy spirit in them.

Praise be Obama... But seriously the only recent time I saw any one coming close to that claim was that one crazy interview.. IN Bible Belt America before a McCain rally in which people claimed both McCain and Palin had the holy spirit in them.

sSubZerOo

Was that the same rally where that guy said he saw 666 in the eyes of Obama and started quoting Revelation? Oh wait nevermind I saw that on that Right America: Feeling Wronged documentary.

So did Obama even read it?

[QUOTE="Tangmashi"]

[QUOTE="Nyxathid_Horror"]

Sadly, this is most likely the situation... I agree with him completely though. Our president cares more about his religious views than taking care of our country.

He is his own religion. He's already developed a cult of personality around himself. Just look at all the fanatics on here alone who worship the water he walks on.

I have seen the exact opposite though. People bashing Obama for the most stupid of things.

So did Obama even read it?

xscrapzx

Probably not. The White House receives a good amount of personal letters each day. If I recall correctly, there is a group of people who sit and read through them all and only a few get sent on to the President. Then again Im not sure.

I can't figure out what country you are the president of.Angry_old_dude

Lol, Alzheimer's.

I like this old man. i like him.

[QUOTE="Nyxathid_Horror"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I agree with him but if Obama ever even get's these emails, I doubt it will mean anything to him. He probably receives thousands of hate letters a day just like any president.

Tangmashi

Sadly, this is most likely the situation... I agree with him completely though. Our president cares more about his religious views than taking care of our country.

He is his own religion. He's already developed a cult of personality around himself. Just look at all the fanatics on here alone who worship the water he walks on.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

What does it mean to "act like an American"? How is an American suppose to act?

I have much respect for the man for serving, but most of his criticisms seem way off base.

-Sun_Tzu-

You do realize that Obama is the only President to ever to bow to anyone anywhere, not even Nixon bowed to the Chinese back in the 70s. Where is Michelle Obama while he is visiting Arab heads of state? She is the first First Lady to not be included in tours of Arab countries. The Navy vet isn't off base, he can see it, even if he can't personally write about it.

He is? That's news to me.

A small head bow is not the same thing as bowing all the way down at the waist.

A small head bow is not the same thing as bowing all the way down at the waist.BMD004

A small head bow is not the same thing as bowing all the way down at the waist.

BMD004

That's being a bit picky isn't it. Does that mean we have to call into question the degree ones body must be bent to constitute a bow?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

You do realize that Obama is the only President to ever to bow to anyone anywhere, not even Nixon bowed to the Chinese back in the 70s. Where is Michelle Obama while he is visiting Arab heads of state? She is the first First Lady to not be included in tours of Arab countries. The Navy vet isn't off base, he can see it, even if he can't personally write about it.

BMD004

He is? That's news to me.

A small head bow is not the same thing as bowing all the way down at the waist.

I haven't gotten this picture out in a while, but what you just said deserves it

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

A small head bow is not the same thing as bowing all the way down at the waist.

ragek1ll589

That's being a bit picky isn't it. Does that mean we have to call into question the degree ones body must be bent to constitute a bow?

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

He is? That's news to me.

Serraph105

A small head bow is not the same thing as bowing all the way down at the waist.

I haven't gotten this picture out in a while, but what you just said deserves it

[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

A small head bow is not the same thing as bowing all the way down at the waist.

BMD004

That's being a bit picky isn't it. Does that mean we have to call into question the degree ones body must be bent to constitute a bow?

Of course I would be a bit perplexed since I am neither royalty nor a foreign diplomat/leader who is shown respect via a bow.