WWII Vet Writes to Obama. I think You all oughta read this.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

That's being a bit picky isn't it. Does that mean we have to call into question the degree ones body must be bent to constitute a bow?

ragek1ll589

Of course I would be a bit perplexed since I am neither royalty nor a foreign diplomat/leader who is shown respect via a bow.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

A small head bow is not the same thing as bowing all the way down at the waist.

BMD004

I haven't gotten this picture out in a while, but what you just said deserves it

That's a bit more than a "little head bow" that those Presidents are demonstrating there.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

I haven't gotten this picture out in a while, but what you just said deserves it

worlock77

That's a bit more than a "little head bow" that those Presidents are demonstrating there.

Obama bowing down at the waist is completely different.

No, it's really not at all. And one of those isn't just a leader, it's the Pope. Look up Obama bowing and you will see a huge difference.

BMD004

Yeah, it really is. Hell, they're looking at their feet. And so what if one is the Pope? What difference does that make?

So you are admitting that there is a big difference in the body language between a small head bow and a full bow at the waist. That was my point exactly. People are acting like it is the same thing - it's not.BMD004

There is a difference but if you look at the images, especially Nixon, those are a bit more than a small head bow. Again does this mean we have to establish a threshold as to what is a bow and what is a head nod.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]No, it's really not at all. And one of those isn't just a leader, it's the Pope. Look up Obama bowing and you will see a huge difference.

worlock77

Yeah, it really is. Hell, they're looking at their feet. And so what if one is the Pope? What difference does that make?

[QUOTE="BMD004"] So you are admitting that there is a big difference in the body language between a small head bow and a full bow at the waist. That was my point exactly. People are acting like it is the same thing - it's not.ragek1ll589

There is a difference but if you look at the images, especially Nixon, those are a bit more than a small head bow. Again does this mean we have to establish a threshold as to what is a bow and what is a head nod.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]No, it's really not at all. And one of those isn't just a leader, it's the Pope. Look up Obama bowing and you will see a huge difference.

BMD004

Yeah, it really is. Hell, they're looking at their feet. And so what if one is the Pope? What difference does that make?

1. It is still more than a "slight head bow" when his eyes are towards the man's feet. 2. A mutual bow maybe, but still a bow, and a bow towards the Emperor who attacked America. 3. Yes, I understand that Bush is meeting with the Pope. Thank you for pointing out the obvious. Now, again I ask, so what if he's the Pope? What difference does that make?

You can't see the difference?

[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] So you are admitting that there is a big difference in the body language between a small head bow and a full bow at the waist. That was my point exactly. People are acting like it is the same thing - it's not.BMD004

There is a difference but if you look at the images, especially Nixon, those are a bit more than a small head bow. Again does this mean we have to establish a threshold as to what is a bow and what is a head nod.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yeah, it really is. Hell, they're looking at their feet. And so what if one is the Pope? What difference does that make?

worlock77

1. It is still more than a "slight head bow" when his eyes are towards the man's feet. 2. A mutual bow maybe, but still a bow, and a bow towards the Emperor who attacked America. 3. Yes, I understand that Bush is meeting with the Pope. Thank you for pointing out the obvious. Now, again I ask, so what if he's the Pope? What difference does that make?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

You do realize that Obama is the only President to ever to bow to anyone anywhere, not even Nixon bowed to the Chinese back in the 70s. Where is Michelle Obama while he is visiting Arab heads of state? She is the first First Lady to not be included in tours of Arab countries. The Navy vet isn't off base, he can see it, even if he can't personally write about it.

BMD004

He is? That's news to me.

A small head bow is not the same thing as bowing all the way down at the waist.

I see...

*takes notes*

"Anything close to 90 degrees is a no-no."

"Maintain angle of less than 60 degrees if possible."

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

There is a difference but if you look at the images, especially Nixon, those are a bit more than a small head bow. Again does this mean we have to establish a threshold as to what is a bow and what is a head nod.

Serraph105

3. Bush is meeting with the Pope, who is not only a leader, but he is held in high regard by many Christians. He is the Holiest of the Holy.BMD004

Not to Bush, he's a United Methodist, which is a variant of protestant Christianity. Bush Jr. had no obligation to hold him in a "holiest of holy" regard.

Furthermore, the Saudi King whom Obama bowed to is also a leader, is held in high regard by many muslims in Saudi Arabia, as he has the divine right to rule, ergo, the holiest of the State. This doesn't seem much different from your Bush scenario.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] I explained this already. 1. In the Eisenhower picture, he is accepting something from De Gaulle. He is slightly bowing before accepting what looks like some type of a medal. 2. In the Nixon one, it is a slight mutual bow. 3. In the Bush one, he is meeting with the Pope, and Bush is only bowing his head.BMD004

1. It is still more than a "slight head bow" when his eyes are towards the man's feet. 2. A mutual bow maybe, but still a bow, and a bow towards the Emperor who attacked America. 3. Yes, I understand that Bush is meeting with the Pope. Thank you for pointing out the obvious. Now, again I ask, so what if he's the Pope? What difference does that make?

1. Do you know for a fact that he's accepting a major award or anything, or are you just assuming that's what's going on? 2. So? What difference does that make? Why should he be bowing to anyone, let alone a religious leader?

Link

I personally love this guy for his guts, and agree with a lot (read, a lot, not ALL) of what he presents.

auron_16

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

1. It is still more than a "slight head bow" when his eyes are towards the man's feet. 2. A mutual bow maybe, but still a bow, and a bow towards the Emperor who attacked America. 3. Yes, I understand that Bush is meeting with the Pope. Thank you for pointing out the obvious. Now, again I ask, so what if he's the Pope? What difference does that make?

worlock77

1. Do you know for a fact that he's accepting a major award or anything, or are you just assuming that's what's going on? 2. So? What difference does that make? Why should he be bowing to anyone, let alone a religious leader?

I never said a slight bow was bad. But this is a huge difference:

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] 1. I don't literally mean only his head went down. It is just a slight bow, with the head moving the most. That is what you do when you accept an award. 3. Bush is meeting with the Pope, who is not only a leader, but he is held in high regard by many Christians. He is the Holiest of the Holy.BMD004

1. Do you know for a fact that he's accepting a major award or anything, or are you just assuming that's what's going on? 2. So? What difference does that make? Why should he be bowing to anyone, let alone a religious leader?

I never said a slight bow was bad. But this is a huge difference:

See?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] 1. I don't literally mean only his head went down. It is just a slight bow, with the head moving the most. That is what you do when you accept an award. 3. Bush is meeting with the Pope, who is not only a leader, but he is held in high regard by many Christians. He is the Holiest of the Holy.BMD004

1. Do you know for a fact that he's accepting a major award or anything, or are you just assuming that's what's going on? 2. So? What difference does that make? Why should he be bowing to anyone, let alone a religious leader?

I never said a slight bow was bad. But this is a huge difference:

It really isn't, especially considering the height disparity. And what about my actual questions there?

meh.. he'll be dead soon.comp_atkins

I admire the honesty, and the bravery. I wish I could shake this man's hand!Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

1. Do you know for a fact that he's accepting a major award or anything, or are you just assuming that's what's going on? 2. So? What difference does that make? Why should he be bowing to anyone, let alone a religious leader?

Teenaged

I never said a slight bow was bad. But this is a huge difference:

See?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

I never said a slight bow was bad. But this is a huge difference:

Osaka-06

See?

I figured it is part of the culture to take a deep bow when they greet someone.

Listen. the reason he is bowing like that is because he's in Japan, meeting the EMPEROR, which is considered divine. find a pic like that of him bowing to any European or Russian leader.Osaka-06

He's not considered divine by Americans...

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"] Listen. the reason he is bowing like that is because he's in Japan, meeting the EMPEROR, which is considered divine. find a pic like that of him bowing to any European or Russian leader.fidosim

He's not considered divine by Americans...

When in Rome...chrysippus_

Link

I personally love this guy for his guts, and agree with a lot (read, a lot, not ALL) of what he presents.

auron_16

This guy is awesome, I agree with what he said, people sacrificed their verylives so their leader can act withdignity and NEVER bow down to sheiks or foreign leaders, or apologize for defending the interest of the nation.

[QUOTE="auron_16"]

Link

I personally love this guy for his guts, and agree with a lot (read, a lot, not ALL) of what he presents.

EvilTaru

This guy is awesome, I agree with what he said, people sacrificed their verylives so their leader can act withdignity and NEVER bow down to sheiks or foreign leaders, or apologize for defending the interest of the nation.

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"] Listen. the reason he is bowing like that is because he's in Japan, meeting the EMPEROR, which is considered divine. find a pic like that of him bowing to any European or Russian leader.fidosim

He's not considered divine by Americans...

[QUOTE="p2250"]

I knew Obama was anti-American long before he was elected, he wasn't hard to see

GreySeal9

And how do you know that you're not just seeing what you want to see or that your opinion is not just based off of the nation that he doesn't line up with your personal view of what is "American"?

It's not about what the radical left think what is "american" even if they're entitled to think whatever they want, it's about when you're the leader of America, you have to be PRO-AMERICA, what you do should ALWAYS be in America's best interests, ALWAYS, NO EXCEPTIONS, even when your political views make you want to be partial to anti-american interests.

[QUOTE="EvilTaru"]

[QUOTE="auron_16"]

Link

I personally love this guy for his guts, and agree with a lot (read, a lot, not ALL) of what he presents.

chrysippus_

This guy is awesome, I agree with what he said, people sacrificed their verylives so their leader can act withdignity and NEVER bow down to sheiks or foreign leaders, or apologize for defending the interest of the nation.

I don't need to "justify" what YOU'd call "US imperialism", when it's just America being the most powerful country in the world, if you're fishing for "imperialism", look at China or Russia. You're either a big dog or you're not, and if you're a big dog, act like one, there's no need to hate, the world would be a whole lot worse and much less safewithout American dominance.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] 1. I don't literally mean only his head went down. It is just a slight bow, with the head moving the most. That is what you do when you accept an award. 3. Bush is meeting with the Pope, who is not only a leader, but he is held in high regard by many Christians. He is the Holiest of the Holy.BMD004

1. Do you know for a fact that he's accepting a major award or anything, or are you just assuming that's what's going on? 2. So? What difference does that make? Why should he be bowing to anyone, let alone a religious leader?

I never said a slight bow was bad. But this is a huge difference:

I'm sure if he got down on his knees, there will still bepeople who would defend him.

I'm sure if he got down on his knees, there will still bepeople who would defend him.

EvilTaru

But I would defend him if he fell on all four.

It depresses me that there will not be many, if any, WWII vets around in 10-20 years :(

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] 1. I don't literally mean only his head went down. It is just a slight bow, with the head moving the most. That is what you do when you accept an award. 3. Bush is meeting with the Pope, who is not only a leader, but he is held in high regard by many Christians. He is the Holiest of the Holy.BMD004

1. Do you know for a fact that he's accepting a major award or anything, or are you just assuming that's what's going on? 2. So? What difference does that make? Why should he be bowing to anyone, let alone a religious leader?

I never said a slight bow was bad. But this is a huge difference:

Yes, it is a huge difference; in that picture, Obama is the one doing the bowing, as opposed to a president of whom you approve. :P

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

1. Do you know for a fact that he's accepting a major award or anything, or are you just assuming that's what's going on? 2. So? What difference does that make? Why should he be bowing to anyone, let alone a religious leader?

GabuEx

I never said a slight bow was bad. But this is a huge difference:

Yes, it is a huge difference; in that picture, Obama is the one doing the bowing, as opposed to a president of whom you approve. :P

No, I don't care who the president is. I don't even personally find it as being a huge deal in the great scheme of things. But to say there is no difference in body language between that deep bow and a small head bow while maintaining eye contact is stupid.

BMD004

One's a bow, the other is a bow. They're both bowing. As others have said, the real difference is that the size differential in this case is large. I would say that this is making a mountain out of a molehill, but it's not even a molehill; it's flat ground.

[QUOTE="clayron"]I commend his bravery and honestly, but I do not necessarily agree with himtaj7575

This.

Some of you guys disgust me. Have some respect.Kokuro_Kun

Respect for what?

Some of you guys disgust me. Have some respect.Kokuro_Kun

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="clayron"]I commend his bravery and honestly, but I do not necessarily agree with himKokuro_Kun

This.

OBAMA IS AND WILL REMAIN A HORRIBLE PRESIDENT FULL OF LIES . my family and friends fought to make a strong nation built on understanding and equality what do we have now but a joke of a nation with a leader who doesnt believe . i really apprciate this 95 year old man for the guts he showed and by telling the truth .

OBAMA IS AND WILL REMAIN A HORRIBLE PRESIDENT FULL OF LIES . my family and friends fought to make a strong nation built on understanding and equality what do we have now but a joke of a nation with a leader who doesnt believe . i really apprciate this 95 year old man for the guts he showed and by telling the truth .SpArKs424

OBAMA IS AND WILL REMAIN A HORRIBLE PRESIDENT FULL OF LIES . my family and friends fought to make a strong nation built on understanding and equality what do we have now but a joke of a nation with a leader who doesnt believe . i really apprciate this 95 year old man for the guts he showed and by telling the truth .

SpArKs424

Care to elaborate on these supposed lies?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I admire the honesty, and the bravery. I wish I could shake this man's hand!chrysippus_

[QUOTE="chrysippus_"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I admire the honesty, and the bravery. I wish I could shake this man's hand!BuryMe

This. If the praise was on writing a letter, then theamazingatheist on Youtube deserves a salute.

[QUOTE="Kokuro_Kun"][QUOTE="taj7575"]

This.

PannicAtack

Obama has done but dun goof'd.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

No, I don't care who the president is. I don't even personally find it as being a huge deal in the great scheme of things. But to say there is no difference in body language between that deep bow and a small head bow while maintaining eye contact is stupid.

GabuEx

One's a bow, the other is a bow. They're both bowing. As others have said, the real difference is that the size differential in this case is large. I would say that this is making a mountain out of a molehill, but it's not even a molehill; it's flat ground.

Sometimes, when you shake somebody's hand, you may give a very small bow, head nod, whatever you want to call it. Imagine this scenario. Imagine you are a famous basketball player. Imagine I am a rookie player in the league. If I met you, I might shake your hand and give a very slight bow, mostly with my head. It is common body language for somebody you respect. However, imagine in that same scenario, if I just all out bowed 90 degrees at the waist to you when I shook your hand. You would be thinking... wtf? Why is this guy bowing down to me like this?

It is completely different body language. They may both be called a "bow" in name only. But the two things we are talking about are completely different.