Most overrated PC game of all time?

[QUOTE="Kuyt19"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Kuyt19"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Kuyt19"]

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]After reading you say that console gamers have no brain, I branded you as a fanboy, you probably won't care though.PyroPice

NAH. It's just fun to irritate console fanboys with their holier-than-thou attitude.:P

P.S. - And i just branded you a fanboy too, console-wise of course. Hope you don't mind. Cheers!

That doesn't make you any less of a fanboy. My statement was directed at console fanboys only and you probably found it offensive. Which indirectly makes you a console fanboy or a console fan at least. Simple logic.:P

So being open minded is being a fanboy know?

Defending console fanboys isn't being open-minded, not in a PC Games forum at least. Speaking of forums, the PS3 and X360 forums are just a couple of blocks down the road. You might wanna check them out. You'll probably find more people there who agree with you.

you pc fanboys really hate consoles dont you? Whyt cant you realize that both platforsm have thier advantages, its ridiculous, the only reason to bash something so much for no reasons is beause your jealous , is that it?

Me? PC fanboy? Jealous? No, i'm not a fanboy. I just don't like people with the "console kicks PC arse" attitude. Of course i'm jealous of the "pop-in-disc and play" feature that consoles have. "Pop-in-disc and play".....lmao....a no-brainer feature that defines and suits console fanboys perfectly(no brains, duh).:P

TF2musicaz70

Explain, I honestly think its THE best multiplayer game right now.

Seriously one thing I never understood about Yahtzee is the reviews of Crysis and CoD4.. How he says Crysis is some how racist?? But mentions none such thing in CoD4 when really its the typical american/british heros shooting the crap out of hundreds of russian and middle eastern bad guys.

Another thing I never understood is Yahtzee always rips the crap out of unoriginal games with no real improvements.. CoD4's singleplayer is just that, make matters worse nothing is destructable or really moveable in that game.. Meaning a barrel will stay in the exact same spot.. Not to mention the entire situation of the game hardly ever changes, you are usually always fighting insane amounts of guy where you are outnumbered.. Did I mention how the AI in the game is pretty much garbage?

Seriously one thing I never understood about Yahtzee is the reviews of Crysis and CoD4.. How he says Crysis is some how racist?? But mentions none such thing in CoD4 when really its the typical american/british heros shooting the crap out of hundreds of russian and middle eastern bad guys.

Another thing I never understood is Yahtzee always rips the crap out of unoriginal games with no real improvements.. CoD4's singleplayer is just that, make matters worse nothing is destructable or really moveable in that game.. Meaning a barrel will stay in the exact same spot.. Not to mention the entire situation of the game hardly ever changes, you are usually always fighting insane amounts of guy where you are outnumbered.. Did I mention how the AI in the game is pretty much garbage?

sSubZerOo

Yeah, I agree. Yahtzee is a funny guy, but he's not all that great at reviewing. He does raise some serious issues some of the time, but most of his points are just intended to be funny - like the racism thing, I don't think he was trying to criticise the game as much as make people laugh.

He may not have raised racism issues in CoD4 because the racism (or xenophobia, at least) is roughly even right across the board - all ethnicities and peoples are represented in a fairly exaggerated manner.

Yeah, I agree. Yahtzee is a funny guy, but he's not all that great at reviewing.

fatshodan

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[QUOTE="fatshodan"]

Yeah, I agree. Yahtzee is a funny guy, but he's not all that great at reviewing.

biggest_loser

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Funny, or good at reviewing?

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="fatshodan"]

Yeah, I agree. Yahtzee is a funny guy, but he's not all that great at reviewing.

fatshodan

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Funny, or good at reviewing?

i think he's implying that he's yahtzee... actually, i'm not sure. i thought so, at least.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="fatshodan"]

Yeah, I agree. Yahtzee is a funny guy, but he's not all that great at reviewing.

fatshodan

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Funny, or good at reviewing?

Uh, reviewing. Not so much the comedic talent these days on the ol' forum.

[QUOTE="fatshodan"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="fatshodan"]

Yeah, I agree. Yahtzee is a funny guy, but he's not all that great at reviewing.

biggest_loser

Am I?!

Funny, or good at reviewing?

Uh, reviewing. Not so much the comedic talent these days on the ol' forum.

do you really need validation from a stranger?

anyway...

[QUOTE="fatshodan"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="fatshodan"]

Yeah, I agree. Yahtzee is a funny guy, but he's not all that great at reviewing.

biggest_loser

Am I?!

Funny, or good at reviewing?

Uh, reviewing. Not so much the comedic talent these days on the ol' forum.

I don't agree with (m)any of your reviews, but I can't criticise your reviewing technique at all.

Oblivion let me down in almost every way, however, I would like to say I won it on the XBOX360, and not the PC.

Why is it a let down? :

1. Crappy AI
2. Multiple pathfinding bugs
3. Repetative Environmetns (Major Issue)
4. Around 8 voice actors for the whole game
5. The plane of oblivion was plain. (No pun intended)
6. Good visuals, but physics was't all it was hyped to be
7. Not enough enemy variety
8. Lack of organization regarding spells / abilities menu
9. Instant Map Travel (Major Issue)
10. Very easy and very short quests that required no solid thinking and no widely different environments
11. No sense of mystery or change
12. This might seem strange, but here it is : The graphics in Oblivion were hyped up to the insane, but did anyone notice how quickly the game engine aged??

[QUOTE="musicaz70"]TF2ShadowtheDark

Explain, I honestly think its THE best multiplayer game right now.

Half Life (any of them). That game is a piece of **** Although COD4 is hugely ovverated too.chester706

[QUOTE="Ahurigaan"]

Baldur's Gate II.

*jumps behind gigantic ceramite flame shield*

_Greywolf_

ohho that statement my friend is worthy of pistols at dawn

but seriously i might have to go with half life 2

I agree that Baldur's Gate II was pretty sweet.

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]Yes, it's on consoles, but Oblivion is easily the most overrated game I've ever played.GodLovesDead

I change my vote to Oblivion. I can *almost* see how someone can enjoy WoW but I simply can't understand how people think Oblivion is a great game. Are these people just completely oblivious to what makes a good RPG?

Oh come on man. Oblivion is amazing. I don't think it's overrated. After I played it I was amazed at how far gaming has come along these days.

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]Yes, it's on consoles, but Oblivion is easily the most overrated game I've ever played.RK-Mara

I change my vote to Oblivion. I can *almost* see how someone can enjoy WoW but I simply can't understand how people think Oblivion is a great game. Are these people just completely oblivious to what makes a good RPG?

Even though it's not a real RPG, there must be something about it because I've spend 200 hours playing it. I can't call a game that I've spend 200 hours playing bad.

Agreed.

Oh come on man. Oblivion is amazing. I don't think it's overrated. After I played it I was amazed at how far gaming has come along these days.

df853

You really believe that Oblivion is step forward? Perhaps in terms of art direction but really just look at the first two stages:

- Escape the dungeon: its linear, you hack up some goblins, you escape.

- The tower: You go through level by level of empty rooms to find a key on a corpse and then escape.

This might sound like im denouncing it, which is probably true lol, but really those opening levels have gotten me off to a bad start with Oblivion. Granted I haven't played all of it - perhaps it gets better - but from what I have seen so far, including the opening levels in particular, I haven't seen it play to its strengths or anything terribly innovative.

quake(all the games) is way overrated IMO.jbisco25

Out of interest, were you playing games when Quake 1-3 were released?

Quake 4 is mediocre and Quake Wars is meh, but uh, I don't understand how anyone could call Quake 1 or 2 overrated unless they played them about a decade after their release.

[QUOTE="jbisco25"]quake(all the games) is way overrated IMO.fatshodan

Out of interest, were you playing games when Quake 1-3 were released?

Quake 4 is mediocre and Quake Wars is meh, but uh, I don't understand how anyone could call Quake 1 or 2 overrated unless they played them about a decade after their release.

Ive played all of them when they first came out and i didn't think alot of them compare to games like doom and unreal.

Half Life. Get over it already...artur79

Yep

Crysis - very good FPS but way over hyped because of its system requirements (check out the 1 million "can i play crysis" threads")

Age Of Conan - WoW killer??? game breaking graphics??? creative gameplay??? fails on all three which is sad because its actually a good game with good graphics that promised too much. Its more like a Vanguard & DD killer.

Witcher - mature story??? more like a lack of story. game-play was way repetitive. AoC had a better single player story and game-play, and it's an MMO. Plus the "protagonist" acted more like a 14 year olds wet dream fantasy.

the "protagonist" acted more like a 14 year olds wet dream fantasy.

ct1615

I don't agree with people who say this. I mean, think about it - Geralt is a pretty good looking guy, and he kills monsters for a living. Girls in that culture would cream their panties for that kind of thing.

I don't see why a guy who sleeps with almost every girl he meets makes it somehow juvenile.

[QUOTE="df853"]

Oh come on man. Oblivion is amazing. I don't think it's overrated. After I played it I was amazed at how far gaming has come along these days.

biggest_loser

You really believe that Oblivion is step forward? Perhaps in terms of art direction but really just look at the first two stages:

- Escape the dungeon: its linear, you hack up some goblins, you escape.

- The tower: You go through level by level of empty rooms to find a key on a corpse and then escape.

This might sound like im denouncing it, which is probably true lol, but really those opening levels have gotten me off to a bad start with Oblivion. Granted I haven't played all of it - perhaps it gets better - but from what I have seen so far, including the opening levels in particular, I haven't seen it play to its strengths or anything terribly innovative.

I'll admit the first level is bs. It is linear and you just fight rats and it's boring. There is some mod out there that actually lets you skip that mission.

And going through the towers in the gates of oblivion and closing the gates? Yes, that gets repetitive, but you technically only have to do it maybe 2 times ever to beat the game. The rest of the times are just for getting new items and leveling. It seems like most rpg-ish games have some set of levels you have the option to go to to level up and get items that isn't essential.

Is Oblivion the best game ever? I doubt it. Is it my favorite game? No. Probably 2nd or 3rd favorite.

Perhaps you should try playing it further. One of the great aspects of the game is that fans can make mods and missions. If you don't like some part of the game, change it. I think games that allow modding like that always deserve a bonus in their rating. Other examples, Doom, Quake, Neverwinter Nights

Someone else brought up a good point though. These discussions for which game is the most overrated always end up just being some guy saying a game is overrated, and then someone else saying it isn't... so I suppose there isn't much point in arguing. I think Oblivion is a good game. You don't.

Portal

People are throwing down 9's and 10's for this game. It was three hours long and the first half was just a bunch of easy puzzles. Sure it got alot better and the second half of the game was awesome, but it's over too soon.

Portal

People are throwing down 9's and 10's for this game. It was three hours long and the first half was just a bunch of easy puzzles. Sure it got alot better in the second half of the game was awesome, but it's over too soon.

Gooeykat

Length in and of itself should not be considered at all, value should - which goes to cost. The price relative to the length. Portal was a short game, but it was also priced appropriately.

If you had payed full price for it, then yes, it would have been over too soon - but it wasn't a full priced game. In fact, if you bought The Orange Box, it could be argued that the game cost less than $10, which is a more than appropriate price for a three hour game.

[QUOTE="ct1615"]

the "protagonist" acted more like a 14 year olds wet dream fantasy.

fatshodan

I don't agree with people who say this. I mean, think about it - Geralt is a pretty good looking guy, and he kills monsters for a living. Girls in that culture would cream their panties for that kind of thing.

I don't see why a guy who sleeps with almost every girl he meets makes it somehow juvenile.

:lol:

I'm sorry but you could not be more wrong. He looked like he was dead, not good looking at all . His dialogue was silly. And trying to sleep with girls in a video game??? come on how desperate are you? 1. other then the stupid cards there was no point to it. 2. I'm sure if you want to see sex on your computer, there may be a few places on the internet you can go.

[QUOTE="Gooeykat"]

Portal

People are throwing down 9's and 10's for this game. It was three hours long and the first half was just a bunch of easy puzzles. Sure it got alot better in the second half of the game was awesome, but it's over too soon.

fatshodan

Length in and of itself should not be considered at all, value should - which goes to cost. The price relative to the length. Portal was a short game, but it was also priced appropriately.

If you had payed full price for it, then yes, it would have been over too soon - but it wasn't a full priced game. In fact, if you bought The Orange Box, it could be argued that the game cost less than $10, which is a more than appropriate price for a three hour game.

True, but the game really doesn't get good until the second half. The first half is just boring. Don't get me wrong, it's a great game but the first half is as dry as it gets. I would give the first half a 7 and the second half a 9 or a 10. So really the game deserves about an 8 or 8.5 IMO.

[QUOTE="fatshodan"][QUOTE="ct1615"]

the "protagonist" acted more like a 14 year olds wet dream fantasy.

ct1615

I don't agree with people who say this. I mean, think about it - Geralt is a pretty good looking guy, and he kills monsters for a living. Girls in that culture would cream their panties for that kind of thing.

I don't see why a guy who sleeps with almost every girl he meets makes it somehow juvenile.

:lol:

I'm sorry but you could not be more wrong. He looked like he was dead, not good looking at all . His dialogue was silly. And trying to sleep with girls in a video game??? come on how desperate are you? 1. other then the stupid cards there was no point to it. 2. I'm sure if you want to see sex on your computer, there may be a few places on the internet you can go.

lol....i think he meant Conan. In the comics, Conan did sleep with almost every girl he met.(What a lucky bastard.)

[QUOTE="fatshodan"][QUOTE="Gooeykat"]

Portal

People are throwing down 9's and 10's for this game. It was three hours long and the first half was just a bunch of easy puzzles. Sure it got alot better in the second half of the game was awesome, but it's over too soon.

Gooeykat

Length in and of itself should not be considered at all, value should - which goes to cost. The price relative to the length. Portal was a short game, but it was also priced appropriately.

If you had payed full price for it, then yes, it would have been over too soon - but it wasn't a full priced game. In fact, if you bought The Orange Box, it could be argued that the game cost less than $10, which is a more than appropriate price for a three hour game.

True, but the game really doesn't get good until the second half. The first half is just boring. Don't get me wrong, it's a great game but the first half is as dry as it gets.

I agree with that - I got the impression that their internal testing team were either idiots, or weren't gamers. If you ever watched the developer commentary for the game, it's quite interesting to see their motivation behind making most of the game a tutorial, when most of us picked up the whole game mechanics pretty quickly.

That being said, I think the quality of the writing and the voice work carried the entire game straight into gaming history. Very few games made me laugh and impressed me as much as Portal did, but I get the criticism you have with the game.

Definitely think it's unfair to say it was too short, though.

[QUOTE="fatshodan"][QUOTE="ct1615"]

the "protagonist" acted more like a 14 year olds wet dream fantasy.

ct1615

I don't agree with people who say this. I mean, think about it - Geralt is a pretty good looking guy, and he kills monsters for a living. Girls in that culture would cream their panties for that kind of thing.

I don't see why a guy who sleeps with almost every girl he meets makes it somehow juvenile.

:lol:

I'm sorry but you could not be more wrong. He looked like he was dead, not good looking at all .

Well, that is a matter of preference I suppose - but consider that he does not live on contemporary Earth. The pasty-white skin look might have been a hot look. There are styIes and phases. I don't know when exactly, but some time between the 16th and 19th century in England, fat women were very, very popular with men.

What's attractive to our eyes changes with the culture in which we live - to a degree, at least.

Also, women - especially girls - love novelty. When I was in America, my English accent alone was an all-access pass, if you know what I mean. Him being irregular could be a source of major attraction for them. Especially when you consider his other attributes.

His dialogue was silly.ct1615

Most of the dialogue in most of the game is a little silly. Hypothetically, if I was a woman, I don't think anything he said would have put me off him. And if I found him physically attractive (and as a straight male, I do) I don't think I would really care about what he had to say, anyway.

And trying to sleep with girls in a video game??? come on how desperate are you?ct1615

So, violence is fine, language is fine, but sex makes me desperate? It's not about wanting to see it, it's about not thinking it's bad or juvenile. I have no insecurity issues on the matter - I see nothing pathetic about it. I'm not some horny kid getting off on it, it just... is. And I'm okay with that. It adds to the character, which adds to the story.

When I think of people who denounce soft sexual images like that, I think of people who are insecure with their own sexual inexperience and who are trying to make others think they're 'better than that' by implying that stuff like that is childish.

other then the stupid cards there was no point to it.ct1615

The cards were utterly ridiculous. I can agree with that - but they also made me laugh. Hard. Anything that makes me laugh is okay in my book, whether it was deliberate or not.

I'm sure if you want to see sex on your computer, there may be a few places on the internet you can go.ct1615

Yeah, I have a 500GB USB HDD for just such a reason, but again, it's not about getting off on it. Do you get off on violent images in violent games? Do you then start telling yourself that instead of enjoying the virtual violence, you should start watching snuff films instead? Of course not!

I think sex in games is fun, just like violence. And, in the real world, real people actually do have sex (so I've heard, anyway!) - and I don't see how also including it in a game is somehow automatically a bad thing.

Computer games are ever becoming more mature, and in the last few years have been recognised by filmmakers as a legitimate means of storytelling (or income, depending on your cynicism), and with more mature storytelling becomes more mature characters, which invariably means relationships - which will always lead to sex. We are going to see more and more sex in games in the future, I think. Especially out of Europe.

TF2.bigUBERpilot

starcraft

call of duty 4

quake 3

Oblivion let me down in almost every way, however, I would like to say I won it on the XBOX360, and not the PC.

Why is it a let down? :

1. Crappy AI
2. Multiple pathfinding bugs
3. Repetative Environmetns (Major Issue)
4. Around 8 voice actors for the whole game
5. The plane of oblivion was plain. (No pun intended)
6. Good visuals, but physics was't all it was hyped to be
7. Not enough enemy variety
8. Lack of organization regarding spells / abilities menu
9. Instant Map Travel (Major Issue)
10. Very easy and very short quests that required no solid thinking and no widely different environments
11. No sense of mystery or change
12. This might seem strange, but here it is : The graphics in Oblivion were hyped up to the insane, but did anyone notice how quickly the game engine aged??

GreaterthanG0d

you forgot to mention that the "ambient AI" that was suposed to revolutionize the industr was nothing more thne a simple clock sechedile you could fin in n64 games........

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="df853"]

Oh come on man. Oblivion is amazing. I don't think it's overrated. After I played it I was amazed at how far gaming has come along these days.

df853

You really believe that Oblivion is step forward? Perhaps in terms of art direction but really just look at the first two stages:

- Escape the dungeon: its linear, you hack up some goblins, you escape.

- The tower: You go through level by level of empty rooms to find a key on a corpse and then escape.

This might sound like im denouncing it, which is probably true lol, but really those opening levels have gotten me off to a bad start with Oblivion. Granted I haven't played all of it - perhaps it gets better - but from what I have seen so far, including the opening levels in particular, I haven't seen it play to its strengths or anything terribly innovative.

I'll admit the first level is bs. It is linear and you just fight rats and it's boring. There is some mod out there that actually lets you skip that mission.

And going through the towers in the gates of oblivion and closing the gates? Yes, that gets repetitive, but you technically only have to do it maybe 2 times ever to beat the game. The rest of the times are just for getting new items and leveling. It seems like most rpg-ish games have some set of levels you have the option to go to to level up and get items that isn't essential.

Is Oblivion the best game ever? I doubt it. Is it my favorite game? No. Probably 2nd or 3rd favorite.

Perhaps you should try playing it further. One of the great aspects of the game is that fans can make mods and missions. If you don't like some part of the game, change it. I think games that allow modding like that always deserve a bonus in their rating. Other examples, Doom, Quake, Neverwinter Nights

Someone else brought up a good point though. These discussions for which game is the most overrated always end up just being some guy saying a game is overrated, and then someone else saying it isn't... so I suppose there isn't much point in arguing. I think Oblivion is a good game. You don't.

oh yeah leveling is also worhtless in the game, as every enemy levels with you..................the most retarded concept ever, why play if your not even rewarded for expierence?

[QUOTE="ct1615"][QUOTE="fatshodan"][QUOTE="ct1615"]

the "protagonist" acted more like a 14 year olds wet dream fantasy.

fatshodan

I don't agree with people who say this. I mean, think about it - Geralt is a pretty good looking guy, and he kills monsters for a living. Girls in that culture would cream their panties for that kind of thing.

I don't see why a guy who sleeps with almost every girl he meets makes it somehow juvenile.

:lol:

I'm sorry but you could not be more wrong. He looked like he was dead, not good looking at all .

Well, that is a matter of preference I suppose - but consider that he does not live on contemporary Earth. The pasty-white skin look might have been a hot look. There are styIes and phases. I don't know when exactly, but some time between the 16th and 19th century in England, fat women were very, very popular with men.

What's attractive to our eyes changes with the culture in which we live - to a degree, at least.

Also, women - especially girls - love novelty. When I was in America, my English accent alone was an all-access pass, if you know what I mean. Him being irregular could be a source of major attraction for them. Especially when you consider his other attributes.

His dialogue was silly.ct1615

Most of the dialogue in most of the game is a little silly. Hypothetically, if I was a woman, I don't think anything he said would have put me off him. And if I found him physically attractive (and as a straight male, I do) I don't think I would really care about what he had to say, anyway.

And trying to sleep with girls in a video game??? come on how desperate are you?ct1615

So, violence is fine, language is fine, but sex makes me desperate? It's not about wanting to see it, it's about not thinking it's bad or juvenile. I have no insecurity issues on the matter - I see nothing pathetic about it. I'm not some horny kid getting off on it, it just... is. And I'm okay with that. It adds to the character, which adds to the story.

When I think of people who denounce soft sexual images like that, I think of people who are insecure with their own sexual inexperience and who are trying to make others think they're 'better than that' by implying that stuff like that is childish.

other then the stupid cards there was no point to it.ct1615

The cards were utterly ridiculous. I can agree with that - but they also made me laugh. Hard. Anything that makes me laugh is okay in my book, whether it was deliberate or not.

I'm sure if you want to see sex on your computer, there may be a few places on the internet you can go.ct1615

Yeah, I have a 500GB USB HDD for just such a reason, but again, it's not about getting off on it. Do you get off on violent images in violent games? Do you then start telling yourself that instead of enjoying the virtual violence, you should start watching snuff films instead? Of course not!

I think sex in games is fun, just like violence. And, in the real world, real people actually do have sex (so I've heard, anyway!) - and I don't see how also including it in a game is somehow automatically a bad thing.

Computer games are ever becoming more mature, and in the last few years have been recognised by filmmakers as a legitimate means of storytelling (or income, depending on your cynicism), and with more mature storytelling becomes more mature characters, which invariably means relationships - which will always lead to sex. We are going to see more and more sex in games in the future, I think. Especially out of Europe.

you are one weird dude but to each their own

[QUOTE="df853"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="df853"]

Oh come on man. Oblivion is amazing. I don't think it's overrated. After I played it I was amazed at how far gaming has come along these days.

PyroPice

You really believe that Oblivion is step forward? Perhaps in terms of art direction but really just look at the first two stages:

- Escape the dungeon: its linear, you hack up some goblins, you escape.

- The tower: You go through level by level of empty rooms to find a key on a corpse and then escape.

This might sound like im denouncing it, which is probably true lol, but really those opening levels have gotten me off to a bad start with Oblivion. Granted I haven't played all of it - perhaps it gets better - but from what I have seen so far, including the opening levels in particular, I haven't seen it play to its strengths or anything terribly innovative.

I'll admit the first level is bs. It is linear and you just fight rats and it's boring. There is some mod out there that actually lets you skip that mission.

And going through the towers in the gates of oblivion and closing the gates? Yes, that gets repetitive, but you technically only have to do it maybe 2 times ever to beat the game. The rest of the times are just for getting new items and leveling. It seems like most rpg-ish games have some set of levels you have the option to go to to level up and get items that isn't essential.

Is Oblivion the best game ever? I doubt it. Is it my favorite game? No. Probably 2nd or 3rd favorite.

Perhaps you should try playing it further. One of the great aspects of the game is that fans can make mods and missions. If you don't like some part of the game, change it. I think games that allow modding like that always deserve a bonus in their rating. Other examples, Doom, Quake, Neverwinter Nights

Someone else brought up a good point though. These discussions for which game is the most overrated always end up just being some guy saying a game is overrated, and then someone else saying it isn't... so I suppose there isn't much point in arguing. I think Oblivion is a good game. You don't.

oh yeah leveling is also worhtless in the game, as every enemy levels with you..................the most retarded concept ever, why play if your not even rewarded for expierence?

Well, when I realized that was what was happening it did make leveling seem less useful. I would have preferred the game not be that way, like you. There were some positives about this approach though. For instance, you could go anywhere in the game and explore without having to worry about getting killed by some level 50 while you are level 2. That decreased the linearity of the game. Some games keep you out of areas by just making the difficulty level of the area enormous... Some people may like this, others may not.

That decreased the linearity of the game.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. Morrowind did the "killed by some level 50 while you are level 2"-thing and did it well. MW can be called many things, but linear is not one of them.

Honestly, I don't see what's so positive about not losing a fight throughout a 200+ hrs game. Kinda takes the sting out of the combat if you ask me. Sure, the combat-mechanics are revamped in the last game, but I preferred MW's hit and miss combat. You always have a chance to win in Cyrodiil. Even if you're level 5 (=pwny) and meet an ogre, which is silly. You can win all the Arena matches before hitting level 3, sigh. Beth, you screwed this one up... Royally.