Nvidia GTX 470, 480, SLI review/benchmark round up.

BAHHH!

GTX480 is undeniable the worst card Nvidia has put out under many years, with a compleate system you'll end up at a whooping 400W! the price it skyrocket high when you compare the performance to the HD5870 witch isn't that far off performance wise.

The HD5970 runs over the gtx480 wile actually does that on less wattage and produce less noise, the dual gpu card even does run cooler with is truuly very odd...

The price of a gtx470 even lie about the HD5870 with is better on most things, including power/noise/temps!

I am seriousy vey dissapointed, this is awfull, the Fermi was HALF A YEAR later than the HD5XXX series but are worce in almoust all aspects except for tesselation witch many Nvidia fan already thinks is worthless and probably wont use anyway... :roll:

Man.. This stinks, anyone who cares for PChardware effectiviness will wait for a refresh of the Fermi or the HD6xxx cards, the HD58xx cards are the ones to get still even as the are a half year old rigth now!

Who would thougth that Nvidia was working a half year overdue to put out cards that runs hot as hell, nead to use a 700w PSU, make your ears fall off, not only thoose things... The cards aren't even for sale if you anyway would want such of a card, you'll have to get very lycky to get your hand one witch is already undeniable awfull...

swehunt

Slight correction. There has been no proof that Fermi is better at DX11 Tessellation yet. All they offered was a benchmark using nvidia's CUDA Tessellation, not DX11.

I don't see the 480 as a failure in technology in terms of features and performance, in fact i think that is a excellent hardware in both aspects. I'm not worried about the warm because in a good PC cases is not a problem, and most of high end used looking at the 480 have very efficient chasis in their gaming rigs.

The true main problems, as I said, is that the GPU has a poor performance/W comsumption compared against the competition, and the annoying level of noise.

I have 2 gaming rigs, one of them with a GTX 275 and the other with a HD 5870, and both of them in Cooler Master Cosmos cases, due I find the acoustic isolation very effective in this model and I think that the level of noise is a critical feature to be valuable in terms of gaming quality and satisfaction. In the same way that I find the 360 fan noise disturbing compared against the more efficient one in the PS3, I can't see myself replacing my GTX 275 or HD 5870 for a 470 or 480 due the higher power consumption and noise overall doesn't balance the increase of performance.

I expect that in the future with changes to 32 nm or enhanced design in the dissipation systems (maybe liquid cooling by some providers) the new iterations of the Fermi family could be more attractive. Currently will not be my choice, since to most of games I think that the HD 5870 is way better option even if the performance is lower.

The GTX470 is disappointing to say the least and the extra 3-6 frames you get over the HD5850 does not justify the £80 price difference... damn for the price of a GTX470 you can get a HD5870 which granted isn't as fast as the GTX480 but damn does the performance/price sway towards ATI cards, you would have to be a complete fanboy not to buy ATI over Nvidia right now.

I don't see the 480 as a failure in technology in terms of features and performance, in fact i think that is a excellent hardware in both aspects. I'm not worried about the warm because in a good PC cases is not a problem, and most of high end used looking at the 480 have very efficient chasis in their gaming rigs.

The true main problems, as I said, is that the GPU has a poor performance/W comsumption compared against the competition, and the annoying level of noise.

I expect that in the future with changes to 32 nm or enhanced design in the dissipation systems (maybe liquid cooling by some providers) the new iterations of the Fermi family could be more attractive. Currently will not be my choice, since to most of games I think that the HD 5870 is way better option even if the performance is lower.

Ondoval

"I expect that in the future with changes to 32 nm"

Dont hold your breath, if anything we should be concerned about the 32nm jump also, he*k TMSC hasn't truuly solved the problem during the size of the die on current nm tech, a revision to 32 or even 28nm isn't even near at this point, at best they should improve the yeld on current GF100 greatly resulting in a better price, but AMD/ATI can and will lower the price if Fermi even comes near their pricerange nvidia can't compete in that sector. (They have well working nodes that have good yeld rigth now, witch will make the production cost alot less than Nvidia.)

So acually there isn't much to see forward from the Fermi in a near future either, this is sad. In almoust all aspects Carlie D was rigth, hot, overpriced, poor performance per W. Fudzilla isn't the place to learn about GPU's but he was almoust spot on this time. :(

The load wattage use isn't even bad it's worse than that, it's cr*p!

[QUOTE="swehunt"]

BAHHH!

GTX480 is undeniable the worst card Nvidia has put out under many years, with a compleate system you'll end up at a whooping 400W! the price it skyrocket high when you compare the performance to the HD5870 witch isn't that far off performance wise.

The HD5970 runs over the gtx480 wile actually does that on less wattage and produce less noise, the dual gpu card even does run cooler with is truuly very odd...

The price of a gtx470 even lie about the HD5870 with is better on most things, including power/noise/temps!

I am seriousy vey dissapointed, this is awfull, the Fermi was HALF A YEAR later than the HD5XXX series but are worce in almoust all aspects except for tesselation witch many Nvidia fan already thinks is worthless and probably wont use anyway... :roll:

Man.. This stinks, anyone who cares for PChardware effectiviness will wait for a refresh of the Fermi or the HD6xxx cards, the HD58xx cards are the ones to get still even as the are a half year old rigth now!

Who would thougth that Nvidia was working a half year overdue to put out cards that runs hot as hell, nead to use a 700w PSU, make your ears fall off, not only thoose things... The cards aren't even for sale if you anyway would want such of a card, you'll have to get very lycky to get your hand one witch is already undeniable awfull...

GhoX

Slight correction. There has been no proof that Fermi is better at DX11 Tessellation yet. All they offered was a benchmark using nvidia's CUDA Tessellation, not DX11.

the performance of the ati n nividia cards u be a fool to pay that much more for that sort of performance what a let down

Ah it failed...

The wait was in vain...

[QUOTE="GhoX"]

[QUOTE="swehunt"]

BAHHH!

GTX480 is undeniable the worst card Nvidia has put out under many years, with a compleate system you'll end up at a whooping 400W! the price it skyrocket high when you compare the performance to the HD5870 witch isn't that far off performance wise.

The HD5970 runs over the gtx480 wile actually does that on less wattage and produce less noise, the dual gpu card even does run cooler with is truuly very odd...

The price of a gtx470 even lie about the HD5870 with is better on most things, including power/noise/temps!

I am seriousy vey dissapointed, this is awfull, the Fermi was HALF A YEAR later than the HD5XXX series but are worce in almoust all aspects except for tesselation witch many Nvidia fan already thinks is worthless and probably wont use anyway... :roll:

Man.. This stinks, anyone who cares for PChardware effectiviness will wait for a refresh of the Fermi or the HD6xxx cards, the HD58xx cards are the ones to get still even as the are a half year old rigth now!

Who would thougth that Nvidia was working a half year overdue to put out cards that runs hot as hell, nead to use a 700w PSU, make your ears fall off, not only thoose things... The cards aren't even for sale if you anyway would want such of a card, you'll have to get very lycky to get your hand one witch is already undeniable awfull...

Daytona_178

Slight correction. There has been no proof that Fermi is better at DX11 Tessellation yet. All they offered was a benchmark using nvidia's CUDA Tessellation, not DX11.

At the moment, the GTX 470/480 cards out perform the HD5xxx series in this DX11, tessellation benchmark. Granted this is not the "officially released, finalized versions" which is due out in a couple of weeks. I suppose you can check things for yourself on the link provided.

Some DX11 benchmarks shows the 470/480 just as good or better than the HD 5870 and other benchmarks show the 470/480 not as good as the HD 5870.

I think for the most part the GTX cards have a bit of an upper hand in DX11, but who knows what'll happen with driver improvements or if Nvidia has something up their sleeve to improve on the GTX cards (which I doubt they do, but who knows).

If Nvidia can solve the heat and high power consumption issues with their cards, they'd be sitting pretty. I'm content with my 2 8800GTS 512 cards right now so I don't have any reason to upgrade to a new HD 5xxx or GTX 4xx card. Maybe the second batch of these DX11 cards will show improvements and spike my interest in picking one up.

What the hell? I've been waiting all this time for Crysis benchmarks, and all these reviews failed to give me any. The only site that gives minimum fps is hardwareheaven, and they have only one resolution with no AA or AF. If a card averages 90 fps but falls to 6 every ten seconds, you can keep it. Most of them don't even say what the settings are, or they say someting bogus like "very high" for Warhead, which has no such setting. And I want to see what it does against the 5970, because that's the upgrade choice for the foreseeable future.What the hell? Is there a decent set of Crysis/Crysis:Warhead benchmarks that I'm not seeing out there?

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,743498/Geforce-GTX-480-and-GTX-470-reviewed-Fermi-performance-benchmarks/Reviews/?page=10

Crysis Benchmark for the poster above me.

This might be the most unbiased review of thern card that Ive seen. http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-review/35

What the hell? I've been waiting all this time for Crysis benchmarks, and all these reviews failed to give me any.

Blistrax

yet crysis is the game I always use when looking at new cards. to me it is the ultimate benchmark.

well as it stands right now, nvidia may have the most powerful single gpu out, but ati is still easily the better choice this generation.... (though first gen dx11 cards, like previous directx's before them, are usually poor at the new DX.) second generation seems like a more logical idea to upgrade to, unless of course you wanted bragging rights.

the gtx4 series may be powerful, but its a let down in so many ways. power, price, heat, and yes the performance- for the time they had, and hype they boasted.

the hd5 series is the way to go (if you want a crappy directx 11 performance, card series, have the feeling is the same for the gtx4 series too)

the smart thing to do is wait. wait for the improved series of these cards, or just wait till the second generation, for actually decent dx11 performance.

I do like guru3d description that the gtx 480 is the brute force for performance. High heat, high power usage, and slightly overpriced. Not really alarming to me to see that as its a redo of the 8800 gt (anyone remember the release of those and the high heat, high power, and high price?). What kinda gets me on the gtx 480 is that it has so much more power then it can use do to heat. They actually turned off cores because of "thermal contraints" in a bios patch I heard. Personally though, I'm not a guy who even worries on high end cards. They are just way to high. Personally, I'm waiting for 6-10 months when we get word on the mid level card and how it will stack up to the 5770 and 5830 of ati. For now, the 480 is just too much heat for my taste. Reading reviews and seeing that the ambient heat its emiitng into cases would be around 50-60C is just wooo. I wonder if nvidia should have taged up with corsair and released a mini watercool h50 gpu heatsink equivalent for this card. All good though. Nothing really out for dx11 and looking like it will be a good while until its worth going to dx11. Time will tell.

I do like guru3d description that the gtx 480 is the brute force for performance. High heat, high power usage, and slightly overpriced. Not really alarming to me to see that as its a redo of the 8800 gt (anyone remember the release of those and the high heat, high power, and high price?). What kinda gets me on the gtx 480 is that it has so much more power then it can use do to heat. They actually turned off cores because of "thermal contraints" in a bios patch I heard. Personally though, I'm not a guy who even worries on high end cards. They are just way to high. Personally, I'm waiting for 6-10 months when we get word on the mid level card and how it will stack up to the 5770 and 5830 of ati. For now, the 480 is just too much heat for my taste. Reading reviews and seeing that the ambient heat its emiitng into cases would be around 50-60C is just wooo. I wonder if nvidia should have taged up with corsair and released a mini watercool h50 gpu heatsink equivalent for this card. All good though. Nothing really out for dx11 and looking like it will be a good while until its worth going to dx11. Time will tell.

jedikevin2

This might be the most unbiased review of thern card that Ive seen. http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-review/35

04dcarraher

I don't think any of the reviews are biased really. Truth is that Fermi was highly anticipated by nearly everyone. Upon release, it's just not crushing everything and leaving beautiful destruction in it's wake, laughing at ATI as it passes. This is what I wanted personally, as did a lot of people, and disappointment is to be expected.

Six months late to the party, and all that's up on offer is a couple high priced, major power hungry, sort-of impressively performing cards? Even if I'll take a slight performance hit in DX11 games (Because I really doubt the differences will be staggering), I'll pick the other guys this round. Nvidia just did not put enough work into this one before getting it out onto the market.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

This might be the most unbiased review of thern card that Ive seen. http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-review/35

I don't think any of the reviews are biased really. Truth is that Fermi was highly anticipated by nearly everyone. Upon release, it's just not crushing everything and leaving beautiful destruction in it's wake, laughing at ATI as it passes. This is what I wanted personally, as did a lot of people, and disappointment is to be expected.

Six months late to the party, and all that's up on offer is a couple high priced, major power hungry, sort-of impressively performing cards? Even if I'll take a slight performance hit in DX11 games (Because I really doubt the differences will be staggering), I'll pick the other guys this round. Nvidia just did not put enough work into this one before getting it out onto the market.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

I do like guru3d description that the gtx 480 is the brute force for performance. High heat, high power usage, and slightly overpriced. Not really alarming to me to see that as its a redo of the 8800 gt (anyone remember the release of those and the high heat, high power, and high price?). What kinda gets me on the gtx 480 is that it has so much more power then it can use do to heat. They actually turned off cores because of "thermal contraints" in a bios patch I heard. Personally though, I'm not a guy who even worries on high end cards. They are just way to high. Personally, I'm waiting for 6-10 months when we get word on the mid level card and how it will stack up to the 5770 and 5830 of ati. For now, the 480 is just too much heat for my taste. Reading reviews and seeing that the ambient heat its emiitng into cases would be around 50-60C is just wooo. I wonder if nvidia should have taged up with corsair and released a mini watercool h50 gpu heatsink equivalent for this card. All good though. Nothing really out for dx11 and looking like it will be a good while until its worth going to dx11. Time will tell.

bunny569

[QUOTE="Assassin_87"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

This might be the most unbiased review of thern card that Ive seen. http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-review/35

04dcarraher

I don't think any of the reviews are biased really. Truth is that Fermi was highly anticipated by nearly everyone. Upon release, it's just not crushing everything and leaving beautiful destruction in it's wake, laughing at ATI as it passes. This is what I wanted personally, as did a lot of people, and disappointment is to be expected.

Six months late to the party, and all that's up on offer is a couple high priced, major power hungry, sort-of impressively performing cards? Even if I'll take a slight performance hit in DX11 games (Because I really doubt the differences will be staggering), I'll pick the other guys this round. Nvidia just did not put enough work into this one before getting it out onto the market.

Well, truth is that more than likely by that time both companies will have a new flagship out, or at the very least if what you're saying about ATI cards is true ATI will be forced to release an improved revamp on their current crop of cards. If this is the case then I don't know which company I'd go with. It's all about price/performance. But in the here and now, ATI has the price/performance crown.

Pros- Excellent performance in almost any game scenario. Definitely faster than my 5870 in the vast majority of games. Not $600 like many predicted (myself included)

Cons- WAY too hot. This thing is not going in my case when it puts out so much heat. WAY too power-hungry. Actually tested power consumption was over the 250 watt TDP in the Guru3d test. My PSU can handle it, but my wallet can't... not when my 5870 does so well with 188 watts max. PRICE- Although lower than many anticipated, I'm not prepared to pay almost $500 for a video card.. ever. $400 is my max.

5970 wins this rounds, it looks like the fermi cards just barely ended up in the same boat as the FX series.ferret-gamer

again the 5970 is dual gpu how can you compare it to a single gpu.:evil:

[ I think alot of ATI users that bought 5850's 5870's are just angry that the flagship of single gpucards got beaten concerning Direct x 11 with all it features on. And the true fact is that ATI users with 5800's will have to upgrade sooner then people getting the GTX 480 when DX 11 starts maturing instead of just tacking on dx 11 on dx 9 games.04dcarraher

It seems good to me, once Nvidia releases their new drivers the performance will be better. Also the pricing seems good to me:
480 GTX

HD 5870

Not the best performance/wattage ratio but it is still tempting..

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][ I think alot of ATI users that bought 5850's 5870's are just angry that the flagship of single gpucards got beaten concerning Direct x 11 with all it features on. And the true fact is that ATI users with 5800's will have to upgrade sooner then people getting the GTX 480 when DX 11 starts maturing instead of just tacking on dx 11 on dx 9 games.Ondoval

^^^QFT.

I personally won't upgrade my whole system until the next generation consoles come out - which will probably be when DX11 / tessellation is common place and games will require something beefier than a mid range card such as a 4850.

Don't forget to include the extra cost on power supply for 480.GhoX

[QUOTE="smc91352]:shock: I just did the math on the cost in power. I didn't think it could be so much. gtx 480 = 223W average radeon 5850 = 92W average 223W - 92W = 131W * 24 hours/day = 3144W*h/day *1KW/1000W = 3.144KW*h/day * 365.25days/year = 1148.346KW/year * $.124/KW (source) = $142.39/year :o $142 every year! if I was to upgrade to a gtx 480

You run your computer 24/7, 7 days a week...?

[QUOTE="smc91352"]:o $142 every year! if I was to upgrade to a gtx 480kaitanuvax

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]5970 wins this rounds, it looks like the fermi cards just barely ended up in the same boat as the FX series.nofriekinlemons

again the 5970 is dual gpu how can you compare it to a single gpu.:evil:

[QUOTE="nofriekinlemons"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]5970 wins this rounds, it looks like the fermi cards just barely ended up in the same boat as the FX series.JigglyWiggly_

again the 5970 is dual gpu how can you compare it to a single gpu.:evil:

comparisons dont go off of any single basis,

come on people for real.... comparisons are based off of any similarities... not just price, size, watts, performance, color of it, the little stickers on them, heat, how many cores/gpus.. whatever, it is any and every one of these that you can base a comparison off of,

i can compare an apple to an orange, they are both semi-round, and fall in the fruit category.. but whats the phrase everyone loves to use "oh thats comparing apples to oranges.

the 5970 is obviously being compared to it, seeing as how its on the same benchmarks as it most of the time....

ATI seems to be the winner in my book right now. Just wait until they drop their price or release a 5890 or other new cards.

[QUOTE="nofriekinlemons"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]5970 wins this rounds, it looks like the fermi cards just barely ended up in the same boat as the FX series.JigglyWiggly_

again the 5970 is dual gpu how can you compare it to a single gpu.:evil:

BAHHH!

I am seriousy vey dissapointed, this is awfull, the Fermi was HALF A YEAR later than the HD5XXX series but are worce in almoust all aspects except for tesselation witch many Nvidia fan already thinks is worthless and probably wont use anyway... :roll:

swehunt

Thank god someone pointed this out. All we heard before the card was released from Nvidia fanboys was "who cares about DX 11 and tesselation, it won't be used in anything for a long time!"

Now suddenly it's relevant again???

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="nofriekinlemons"]

again the 5970 is dual gpu how can you compare it to a single gpu.:evil:

Gambler_3

The same can be said for the comparison to the 5870, which is about $70 cheaper. People need to stop saying "oh the GTX 480 outperforms the 5870" - yes, that's pretty darn obvious, given that it's much more expensive.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] What does that have to do with anything? It's the price, not how many cores it is. Are you saying you can't compare a dual core cpu and single core...?kaitanuvax

The same can be said for the comparison to the 5870, which is about $70 cheaper. People need to stop saying "oh the GTX 480 outperforms the 5870" - yes, that's pretty darn obvious, given that it's much more expensive.

And I dont think anyone is saying that the 480 gives better price\performance than the 5870...

The 5970 is $700+ isnt it? That makes it's price differential quite substantial with the 480.

And I dont think anyone is saying that the 480 gives better price\performance than the 5870...

Gambler_3

No, nobody has. But it's a pretty stupid comparison. It's like saying the GTX 260 is better than the HD 4850. No, really?

This might be the most unbiased review of thern card that Ive seen. http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-review/35

04dcarraher

What was that nVidia?

And we have lift off!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfQOU3T0O3Q

And we have lift off!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfQOU3T0O3Q

clyde46

lol fail. I'd certianly hope it beats a 5870, but it doesn't come close to the 5970. It runs like an oven too...

JigglyWiggly_

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

lol fail. I'd certianly hope it beats a 5870, but it doesn't come close to the 5970. It runs like an oven too...

d-rtyboy