The Old Republic.... wow, just wow....

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

i doubt its perfect, but maybe its because its something new instead of the horde of wow clones that is the mmorpg market, including apparently the old republic.

Krelian-co

So becoming the FIRST MMO to try to introduce STORY to the MMO scene is NOT new...?

if you think there will be enough cutscenes and story to last for more than a month is just lol, the only way a mmorpg can survive its if the gameplay is amazing, which in the old republic is not

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

So becoming the FIRST MMO to try to introduce STORY to the MMO scene is NOT new...?

FelipeInside

if you think there will be enough cutscenes and story to last for more than a month is just lol, the only way a mmorpg can survive its if the gameplay is amazing, which in the old republic is not

Looks like it plays like WoW. And the idea that there will be meaningfull dialogue, choice and cutscenes to last you long is silly imho......

Either you go somewhat hardcore and get a dedicated userbase or you go mainstream and get a userbase that spends their time running in circles in orgrimmar 3 weeks after reaching the level cap.

Even if Bioware intends to implement KOTOR sequels as SP packs for ToR they'll still be crap because they're designed around an mmo engine with mmo mechanics rather than being proper SP rpgs.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not indicating that that's their intention, merely that they claim that ToR is KOTOR 3,4,5,6----,78,79,80,etc, which is a ludicrous statement.

Edit: Don't take this as blind hate... I started playing WoW during vanilla and ended up dead inside after Cata turned out to continue the WOTLK traditions despite Blizzards promises. Obviously, one can never judge a game properly without trying it but if you've practically been married to WoW you're certainly able to notice the lovehandles on ToR before ever riding it.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

So becoming the FIRST MMO to try to introduce STORY to the MMO scene is NOT new...?

FelipeInside

if you think there will be enough cutscenes and story to last for more than a month is just lol, the only way a mmorpg can survive its if the gameplay is amazing, which in the old republic is not

ive watched many many videos, i dont talk without knowledge, if you want to delude yourself and think "they are only videos its not the real product it will be so much more amazing" go ahead, you can come back to this post a few months after tor flops.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Hopefully it will do well.... I will also buy GW2 day one, but I don't understand why everyone is praising GW2 like it's this perfect non-generic MMO?FelipeInside

i doubt its perfect, but maybe its because its something new instead of the horde of wow clones that is the mmorpg market, including apparently the old republic.

So becoming the FIRST MMO to try to introduce STORY to the MMO scene is NOT new...?

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

So becoming the FIRST MMO to try to introduce STORY to the MMO scene is NOT new...?

Deathykins

I dont think anyone has attempted having a good plot for a mmo at this level, which is probably what he meant.

Though MMO stories with a strong emphasis on plots does not really sound practical for this genre, not only can I forsee this game's plot having severe pacing issues, but I doubt having a plot which most will breeze through before the first month is over will help the game's longetivity. Of course there are plenty of mmos with decent stories... for video game standards.

Why? Because there is a lot more to stories than just plots. Characters, Setting and Theme are story elements as well and I can think of video game stories with terrible plots that were redeemed thanks to the mentioned elements. Although I hate saying this, I think people give the plot too much credit.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

if you think there will be enough cutscenes and story to last for more than a month is just lol, the only way a mmorpg can survive its if the gameplay is amazing, which in the old republic is not

Filthybastrd

Looks like it plays like WoW. And the idea that there will be meaningfull dialogue, choice and cutscenes to last you long is silly imho......

Either you go somewhat hardcore and get a dedicated userbase or you go mainstream and get a userbase that spends their time running in circles in orgrimmar 3 weeks after reaching the level cap.

Even if Bioware intends to implement KOTOR sequels as SP packs for ToR they'll still be crap because they're designed around an mmo engine with mmo mechanics rather than being proper SP rpgs.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not indicating that that's their intention, merely that they claim that ToR is KOTOR 3,4,5,6----,78,79,80,etc, which is a ludicrous statement.

Edit: Don't take this as blind hate... I started playing WoW during vanilla and ended up dead inside after Cata turned out to continue the WOTLK traditions despite Blizzards promises. Obviously, one can never judge a game properly without trying it but if you've practically been married to WoW you're certainly able to notice the lovehandles on ToR before ever riding it.

Why is it so ludicrous to everyone?

Look at LOTRO, it does story telling marvellously, and it just keeps bringing out new "books" to continue the story forward.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

if you think there will be enough cutscenes and story to last for more than a month is just lol, the only way a mmorpg can survive its if the gameplay is amazing, which in the old republic is not

Krelian-co

ive watched many many videos, i dont talk without knowledge, if you want to delude yourself and think "they are only videos its not the real product it will be so much more amazing" go ahead, you can come back to this post a few months after tor flops.

Just as much as your post was worth posting ;-)FelipeInside

So basically, not only you're getting excited about a game for a trailer, despite you knowing there's basically nothing that will be in the game in a playable form and despite you knowing other MMOs have got you excited the same way and failed flat on their faces, but you also think others should be excited in the same way, to the length of posting something as petty as that.

I'm out of here. The amount of gaming creepiness is going through the roof.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Just as much as your post was worth posting ;-)Mograine

So basically, not only you're getting excited about a game for a trailer, despite you knowing there's basically nothing that will be in the game in a playable form and despite you knowing other MMOs have got you excited the same way and failed flat on their faces, but you also think others should be excited in the same way, to the length of posting something as petty as that.

I'm out of here. The amount of gaming creepiness is going through the roof.

I was just messing with you. I am really excited about ToR, since they even announced it....but at the same time I am cautious and afraid cause like I said AION and DCUO failed on me. I have a lot more faith with ToR cause BioWare and LucasArts are behind it....and using EA's wallet which wants to compete head to head with WoW so they are putting a lot of money into it. Now for YOU: shame on you.... you have an avatar which was created by the same guys that are creating ToR.... you should have more faith brother !!!FelipeInside

Planescape: Torment was created by BioWare? I'd post a Duke Nukem oneliner, but alas mods don't know what humor is and think bad words will scar reading children's thoughts irreversibly.

As I said other times...the more I got into TOR news the more interest I lost in it. A trailer of all things isn't enough to recapture my interest. I'll start following TOR again when the release is due in two or three weeks.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I was just messing with you. I am really excited about ToR, since they even announced it....but at the same time I am cautious and afraid cause like I said AION and DCUO failed on me. I have a lot more faith with ToR cause BioWare and LucasArts are behind it....and using EA's wallet which wants to compete head to head with WoW so they are putting a lot of money into it. Now for YOU: shame on you.... you have an avatar which was created by the same guys that are creating ToR.... you should have more faith brother !!!Mograine

Planescape: Torment was created by BioWare? I'd post a Duke Nukem oneliner, but alas mods don't know what humor is and think bad words will scar reading children's thoughts irreversibly.

As I said other times...the more I got into TOR news the more interest I lost in it. A trailer of all things isn't enough to recapture my interest. I'll start following TOR again when the release is due in two or three weeks.

Wasn't Torment created by Black Isle? And when it disappeared some of the devs created BioWare and some created Obsidian?FelipeInside

BioWare was founded before Black Isle, heathen :P

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Wasn't Torment created by Black Isle? And when it disappeared some of the devs created BioWare and some created Obsidian?Mograine

BioWare was founded before Black Isle, heathen :P

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Wasn't Torment created by Black Isle? And when it disappeared some of the devs created BioWare and some created Obsidian?FelipeInside

BioWare was founded before Black Isle, heathen :P

Black Isle disbanded and formed Obsidian and Troika. Bioware's involvement in PS:T was to create the Infinity Engine.

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Just as much as your post was worth posting ;-)FelipeInside

So basically, not only you're getting excited about a game for a trailer, despite you knowing there's basically nothing that will be in the game in a playable form and despite you knowing other MMOs have got you excited the same way and failed flat on their faces, but you also think others should be excited in the same way, to the length of posting something as petty as that.

I'm out of here. The amount of gaming creepiness is going through the roof.

sadly i think you are having a big case of "i want a new mmorpg", the problem is you are an easy target for marketing xD but seriously, behind all those ads and everything i think you should try the game with caution as you said, it looks like it will have very big core problems, and as i said, no story can sustain a mmorpg alone, i mean even the lord of the rings flopped and i think it has the same fan base that star wars but why it failed?, because it was yet another wow clone.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Mograine"]

So basically, not only you're getting excited about a game for a trailer, despite you knowing there's basically nothing that will be in the game in a playable form and despite you knowing other MMOs have got you excited the same way and failed flat on their faces, but you also think others should be excited in the same way, to the length of posting something as petty as that.

I'm out of here. The amount of gaming creepiness is going through the roof.

Krelian-co

sadly i think you are having a big case of "i want a new mmorpg", the problem is you are an easy target for marketing xD but seriously, behind all those ads and everything i think you should try the game with caution as you said, it looks like it will have very big core problems, and as i said, no story can sustain a mmorpg alone, i mean even the lord of the rings flopped and i think it has the same fan base that star wars but why it failed?, because it was yet another wow clone.

Yes I guess that's true. My last MMO (which I played lots of) was WoW and to some extent LOTRO. I also saw that many people loved Galaxies and I never could experience it so maybe that's what I want.

It's getting my pre-order and day one buy for me, but yes....I will go with caution and not give it a biased review. Same thing with DCUO, I defended that game to Kingdom Come (get the pun?) but then I admitted it failed.

I don't agree with that....LOTRO did NOT flop...it has a very healthy population, just not as big as WoW obviously.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

So basically, not only you're getting excited about a game for a trailer, despite you knowing there's basically nothing that will be in the game in a playable form and despite you knowing other MMOs have got you excited the same way and failed flat on their faces, but you also think others should be excited in the same way, to the length of posting something as petty as that.

I'm out of here. The amount of gaming creepiness is going through the roof.

FelipeInside

sadly i think you are having a big case of "i want a new mmorpg", the problem is you are an easy target for marketing xD but seriously, behind all those ads and everything i think you should try the game with caution as you said, it looks like it will have very big core problems, and as i said, no story can sustain a mmorpg alone, i mean even the lord of the rings flopped and i think it has the same fan base that star wars but why it failed?, because it was yet another wow clone.

well there is a reason it went free to play, thats probably why the population got back normal

well there is a reason it went free to play, thats probably why the population got back normal

Krelian-co

What an awsome trailer. Gave a thought on trying the game out while watching this but then I remembered this is going to be just another kid-infested, wow-clonish carebear-fest, with RPing players (LOL) and arena-only PvP. Trash. Someone needs to make a good old hardcore OWPVP game, without all the casual stuff and the instances. I want to earn my PvE through PvP with my guild/clan, create dram with other groups, slay people and take the risk, not just go to an instance with some randoms 20 times a day, everyday, and admire my shiny armor and the cool cinematics.

What an awsome trailer. Gave a thought on trying the game out while watching this but then I remembered this is going to be just another kid-infested, wow-clonish carebear-fest, with RPing players (LOL) and arena-only PvP. Trash. Someone needs to make a good old hardcore OWPVP game, without all the casual stuff and the instances. I want to earn my PvE through PvP with my guild/clan, create dram with other groups, slay people and take the risk, not just go to an instance with some randoms 20 times a day, everyday, and admire my shiny armor and the cool cinematics.

QQabitmoar

[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

What an awsome trailer. Gave a thought on trying the game out while watching this but then I remembered this is going to be just another kid-infested, wow-clonish carebear-fest, with RPing players (LOL) and arena-only PvP. Trash. Someone needs to make a good old hardcore OWPVP game, without all the casual stuff and the instances. I want to earn my PvE through PvP with my guild/clan, create dram with other groups, slay people and take the risk, not just go to an instance with some randoms 20 times a day, everyday, and admire my shiny armor and the cool cinematics.

FelipeInside

Thing is, the more casual-oriented and mainstream an MMO is, the more kids are bound to gather. And make no mistake, I've been playing MMOs since 12 years old, by 'kids' I mean stupid casuals who play for the RP and the 'wow' factor. I play for the PvP and the clan drama. World of Warcraft killed the 'hardcore' MMOs and turned every MMo after that into one big instance waiting ground with a few battlegrounds for pvp. Even Lineage 2 became like that and I have to stick to private servers. And the best hope for a decent OWPvP game with freedom, where I can pk you to get your xp spot, is archeage and that doesn't even have a publisher for the west yet, lol.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

What an awsome trailer. Gave a thought on trying the game out while watching this but then I remembered this is going to be just another kid-infested, wow-clonish carebear-fest, with RPing players (LOL) and arena-only PvP. Trash. Someone needs to make a good old hardcore OWPVP game, without all the casual stuff and the instances. I want to earn my PvE through PvP with my guild/clan, create dram with other groups, slay people and take the risk, not just go to an instance with some randoms 20 times a day, everyday, and admire my shiny armor and the cool cinematics.

QQabitmoar

Thing is, the more casual-oriented and mainstream an MMO is, the more kids are bound to gather. And make no mistake, I've been playing MMOs since 12 years old, by 'kids' I mean stupid casuals who play for the RP and the 'wow' factor. I play for the PvP and the clan drama. World of Warcraft killed the 'hardcore' MMOs and turned every MMo after that into one big instance waiting ground with a few battlegrounds for pvp. Even Lineage 2 became like that and I have to stick to private servers. And the best hope for a decent OWPvP game with freedom, where I can pk you to get your xp spot, is archeage and that doesn't even have a publisher for the west yet, lol.

- What's wrong with playing an MMO casually?

- What's wrong with RP?

- What do you mean by "wow" factor?

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

What an awsome trailer. Gave a thought on trying the game out while watching this but then I remembered this is going to be just another kid-infested, wow-clonish carebear-fest, with RPing players (LOL) and arena-only PvP. Trash. Someone needs to make a good old hardcore OWPVP game, without all the casual stuff and the instances. I want to earn my PvE through PvP with my guild/clan, create dram with other groups, slay people and take the risk, not just go to an instance with some randoms 20 times a day, everyday, and admire my shiny armor and the cool cinematics.

QQabitmoar

Thing is, the more casual-oriented and mainstream an MMO is, the more kids are bound to gather. And make no mistake, I've been playing MMOs since 12 years old, by 'kids' I mean stupid casuals who play for the RP and the 'wow' factor. I play for the PvP and the clan drama. World of Warcraft killed the 'hardcore' MMOs and turned every MMo after that into one big instance waiting ground with a few battlegrounds for pvp. Even Lineage 2 became like that and I have to stick to private servers. And the best hope for a decent OWPvP game with freedom, where I can pk you to get your xp spot, is archeage and that doesn't even have a publisher for the west yet, lol.

......... Kids? Casuals? Are you sure about that? The worse people in these communities are mainly the "hardcores" who embrace those end games things but act like complete jackasses the majority of the time.. If you go to these forums its PLAGUED with this in which people who take this game extremely seriously act like pompus, sarcastic, elitist jackasses that think they know the game better than any one else.. I mean the worse responses I see from people from these types of communites are in fact the people that play these games religiously.. Not the people who play casually.

[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] EVERY MMO has "kid-infested"... you just learn to ignore it and enjoy.FelipeInside

Thing is, the more casual-oriented and mainstream an MMO is, the more kids are bound to gather. And make no mistake, I've been playing MMOs since 12 years old, by 'kids' I mean stupid casuals who play for the RP and the 'wow' factor. I play for the PvP and the clan drama. World of Warcraft killed the 'hardcore' MMOs and turned every MMo after that into one big instance waiting ground with a few battlegrounds for pvp. Even Lineage 2 became like that and I have to stick to private servers. And the best hope for a decent OWPvP game with freedom, where I can pk you to get your xp spot, is archeage and that doesn't even have a publisher for the west yet, lol.

- What's wrong with playing an MMO casually?

- What's wrong with RP?

- What do you mean by "wow" factor?

Well, WoW drew in a different crowd in MMOs. You wouldn't find many casuals in an MMO game up to when WoW showed up. The 'wow' (not WoW) factor of the world and the story drew in many casual players, players who didn't have any experience with MMOs at all. Ofc there were Warcraft fans, but personally as a warcraft fan I was dissapointed. Do u know what 'RP' is? When people pretend to be a part of the story of the MMO? Well, noone will think of attacking the noble warrior of the light when RPing, even though that warrior is stealing all his xp and drops. And even if he wanted to, he couldn't. PvP resctrictions. Faction based pvp. WoW had it. It was succesflu as a game. Every other MMO after WoW also had it. Maybe it's because I learned my MMO the hard way. I was pked by high lvls when xping, worked hard for hear, fought other clans for raidbosses, had to be ready for pvp anytime I left the town. I guess you could say it's just blind hate from a L2 player who sees his game past it's glory days and carebear-oriented games taking over the market, without anything to cater to the competitive player.

[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] EVERY MMO has "kid-infested"... you just learn to ignore it and enjoy.sSubZerOo

Thing is, the more casual-oriented and mainstream an MMO is, the more kids are bound to gather. And make no mistake, I've been playing MMOs since 12 years old, by 'kids' I mean stupid casuals who play for the RP and the 'wow' factor. I play for the PvP and the clan drama. World of Warcraft killed the 'hardcore' MMOs and turned every MMo after that into one big instance waiting ground with a few battlegrounds for pvp. Even Lineage 2 became like that and I have to stick to private servers. And the best hope for a decent OWPvP game with freedom, where I can pk you to get your xp spot, is archeage and that doesn't even have a publisher for the west yet, lol.

......... Kids? Casuals? Are you sure about that? The worse people in these communities are mainly the "hardcores" who embrace those end games things but act like complete jackasses the majority of the time.. If you go to these forums its PLAGUED with this in which people who take this game extremely seriously act like pompus, sarcastic, elitist jackasses that think they know the game better than any one else.. I mean the worse responses I see from people from these types of communites are in fact the people that play these games religiously.. Not the people who play casually.

......... Kids? Casuals? Are you sure about that? The worse people in these communities are mainly the "hardcores" who embrace those end games things but act like complete jackasses the majority of the time.. If you go to these forums its PLAGUED with this in which people who take this game extremely seriously act like pompus, sarcastic, elitist jackasses that think they know the game better than any one else.. I mean the worse responses I see from people from these types of communites are in fact the people that play these games religiously.. Not the people who play casually.

sSubZerOo

They want to play the game in the best way possible. It's only natural for them to be constantly annoyed by casuals who make them waste time. You would do the same if somebody made you waste hours of your time in something you are very dedicated to because the one we're speaking of can't press two buttons straight.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

......... Kids? Casuals? Are you sure about that? The worse people in these communities are mainly the "hardcores" who embrace those end games things but act like complete jackasses the majority of the time.. If you go to these forums its PLAGUED with this in which people who take this game extremely seriously act like pompus, sarcastic, elitist jackasses that think they know the game better than any one else.. I mean the worse responses I see from people from these types of communites are in fact the people that play these games religiously.. Not the people who play casually.

Mograine

They want to play the game in the best way possible. It's only natural for them to be constantly annoyed by casuals who make them waste time. You would do the same if somebody made you waste hours of your time in something you are very dedicated to because the one we're speaking of can't press two buttons straight.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

Thing is, the more casual-oriented and mainstream an MMO is, the more kids are bound to gather. And make no mistake, I've been playing MMOs since 12 years old, by 'kids' I mean stupid casuals who play for the RP and the 'wow' factor. I play for the PvP and the clan drama. World of Warcraft killed the 'hardcore' MMOs and turned every MMo after that into one big instance waiting ground with a few battlegrounds for pvp. Even Lineage 2 became like that and I have to stick to private servers. And the best hope for a decent OWPvP game with freedom, where I can pk you to get your xp spot, is archeage and that doesn't even have a publisher for the west yet, lol.

FelipeInside

......... Kids? Casuals? Are you sure about that? The worse people in these communities are mainly the "hardcores" who embrace those end games things but act like complete jackasses the majority of the time.. If you go to these forums its PLAGUED with this in which people who take this game extremely seriously act like pompus, sarcastic, elitist jackasses that think they know the game better than any one else.. I mean the worse responses I see from people from these types of communites are in fact the people that play these games religiously.. Not the people who play casually.

LOl that was probably me ! :) If you have a important role like tank of healer, you better know what you are doing before you q up and waste 4 other peoples time. I cant stand running stuff that I have ran 100 times, to wipe because of nubs. It is not fair to the grp to expect people to pull you along because you cant to a quick google or elitistjerks search to learn how to play, wow is not a hard game and there is no excuse for not knowing the basics of playing.

What an awsome trailer. Gave a thought on trying the game out while watching this but then I remembered this is going to be just another kid-infested, wow-clonish carebear-fest, with RPing players (LOL) and arena-only PvP. Trash. Someone needs to make a good old hardcore OWPVP game, without all the casual stuff and the instances. I want to earn my PvE through PvP with my guild/clan, create dram with other groups, slay people and take the risk, not just go to an instance with some randoms 20 times a day, everyday, and admire my shiny armor and the cool cinematics.

QQabitmoar

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

......... Kids? Casuals? Are you sure about that? The worse people in these communities are mainly the "hardcores" who embrace those end games things but act like complete jackasses the majority of the time.. If you go to these forums its PLAGUED with this in which people who take this game extremely seriously act like pompus, sarcastic, elitist jackasses that think they know the game better than any one else.. I mean the worse responses I see from people from these types of communites are in fact the people that play these games religiously.. Not the people who play casually.

Advid-Gamer

LOl that was probably me ! :)

:cry:

That's wrong. First, you don't have to WASTE HOURS.... Second, whoever thinks they are the best and greatest hardcore, they were first NOOBs too and didn't know how to press 2 buttons either... It's all about teaching and being respectful. I've always helped heaps of players who asked for it... FelipeInside

When I see myself on Recount as a frigging TANK doing 50% of the damage inside an istance I just think there's something wrong with the people around me.

Not to mention the people that goes through a whole istance with completely wrong things. Like DPS DKs using Frost Presence in WLK (it was a +armor%, +health% and +aggro% auro back then, not really suitable for a DPS), or a balance druid insulting the healer while he himself is wearing feral gear and yelling back at me for making him noticing it (still have screenshots of the latter).

It's not a matter of respect and helping people, it's a matter of these people not knowing the first basics of how WoW works. I'm not even the most hardcore player, I just did the smaller raids in classic and during TBC I only missed Vashj, BT and Sunwell Plateau, in WLK I just played randomly when my schedules allowed me to, never done a single WLK raid period.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] That's wrong. First, you don't have to WASTE HOURS.... Second, whoever thinks they are the best and greatest hardcore, they were first NOOBs too and didn't know how to press 2 buttons either... It's all about teaching and being respectful. I've always helped heaps of players who asked for it... Mograine

When I see myself on Recount as a frigging TANK doing 50% of the damage inside an istance I just think there's something wrong with the people around me.

Not to mention the people that goes through a whole istance with completely wrong things. Like DPS DKs using Frost Presence in WLK (it was a +armor%, +health% and +aggro% auro back then, not really suitable for a DPS), or a balance druid insulting the healer while he himself is wearing feral gear and yelling back at me for making him noticing it (still have screenshots of the latter).

It's not a matter of respect and helping people, it's a matter of these people not knowing the first basics of how WoW works. I'm not even the most hardcore player, I just did the smaller raids in classic and during TBC I only missed Vashj, BT and Sunwell Plateau, in WLK I just played randomly when my schedules allowed me to, never done a single WLK raid period.

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I agree with this. I never was a HARDCORE WoW player, but I played it quite a lot back in the day. I remember stopping for about 6 months and then going back to it when an expansion hit. I was sort of lost at the start with all the new spells and abilities, and I asked for help during a dungeon and one of these idiots just barked out "If you don't know how to play, leave the group now...." Yes, there is always a bad side to MMOs but I always try to ignore it....play with my friends (or solo) and enjoy the ride.FelipeInside

LOl that was probably me ! :)

:cry:

WOW, guess WoW has changed a lot since I played then.... FelipeInside

Not only that.

Less than a week ago I went through a Mana-Tombs with my levelling druid.

If you've ever done Mana Tombs you'd know the only mob type that does not have a CC there are the small mana wyrms, every other mob type has some kind of CC and always uses it on the tank (gouge, stuns, AoE fears).

You can imagine how happy I felt when we wiped because the DPSs couldn't stop DPSing to CC when I was in a 7 seconds long stun, fear, stun chain and blamed *me* for it (as if I could do *anything* at all about it).

These aren't the hardcore dedicated players, these are half-arsed self-righteous herperderpers.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] LOl that was probably me ! If you have a important role like tank of healer, you better know what you are doing before you q up and waste 4 other peoples time. I cant stand running stuff that I have ran 100 times, to wipe because of nubs. It is not fair to the grp to expect people to pull you along because you cant to a quick google or elitistjerks search to learn how to play, wow is not a hard game and there is no excuse for not knowing the basics of playing. Needed to add that, it is not really directed at you, but in general to wow playersAdvid-Gamer

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]WOW, guess WoW has changed a lot since I played then.... Mograine

Not only that.

Less than a week ago I went through a Mana-Tombs with my levelling druid.

If you've ever done Mana Tombs you'd know the only mob type that does not have a CC there are the small mana wyrms, every other mob type has some kind of CC and always uses it on the tank (gouge, stuns, AoE fears).

You can imagine how happy I felt when we wiped because the DPSs couldn't stop DPSing to CC when I was in a 7 seconds long stun, fear, stun chain and blamed *me* for it (as if I could do *anything* at all about it).

These aren't the hardcore dedicated players, these are half-arsed self-righteous herperderpers.

GOD, has it gotten THAT bad....?

Good thing I quit then.

its impossible to read this thread. too many short quote replies by one particular user. there would have to be atleast 30 from one person!!!

its impossible to read this thread. too many short quote replies by one particular user. there would have to be atleast 30 from one person!!!

greensthooligan

This makes me want a Jedi Knight 4 rather then TOR...

morrowindnic

Honestly its the only MMO that I am interested in that has been announced and looks like its comming out.

Huxley, I give up on it.

Secret World still looks fun though.

Torchlight MMO (but haven't heard much on it in a while)

Other than those TOR is the only one that doesn't seem like a complete waste of my time!

This too will pass give a month or so and the hype will die with the game.

I talked about hardcore games, not hardcore players. Harcore games as in, actually hard, with open pvp, not instance spam with limited pvp to protect the carebears from getting pk'ed. Games where you need to fight to earn your xp spot, games where you run into guys from an opposing guild take them down, they bring 10 more, you bring 10 more, mass pvp ensues out of nowhere. And alot of forum drama ofcourse.

This too will pass give a month or so and the hype will die with the game.

Darocy

I've never been into Star Wars but I'll give the game a try if there's a free trial.

This too will pass give a month or so and the hype will die with the game.

Darocy

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This too will pass give a month or so and the hype will die with the game.

gunmaster55555

That dephends on where you are, on the PC forums on gamespot people are surprisingly pessimistic. However, I actually saw less negativity on System Wars (somhow) regarding the game where the only real complaints were it should have been a single player game. From what I saw on mmorpg.com they were also more optimistic about it with several even saying it will beat GW2 though that was some time ago so it might have changed, of course there are the Bioware forums as well. While it gets a lot of hate it still gets decently hyped in some groups.

Despite being extremely negative regarding this game previously, I have come to a realization that the game isnt finished yet and everything hasnt been announced yet, there may still be hope for the game. I am well aware it uses the same old tired formula, but recently I learned something. And that is that even if they use the same old formula the experience can still feel fresh if they take their own spin/take on it. I am interested in TOR, but I am also disappointed in it, I will follow the game's development and maybe try it when a free trial comes out, but right now I am cautiously optimistic.

There is one thing about the game I am very interested in, and that is the party member system assuming it is done correctly. What I am hoping for is that this means that I can quest in the world together with my irl friends while still being at least somewhat challanged.

This too will pass give a month or so and the hype will die with the game.

Darocy