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[QUOTE="Gzus666"] the fastest supercomputer in the world can do 1 petaflops, looks like we lose. give it 5-10 years, and that will be the norm for computers, and we dont get to upgrade. it will happenXanog1
So I can't upgrade my RAM?
Oh man, now I won't be able to run the marathon. :(
cute response, i will take that as a concession to the fact that computers will outdo usACCUALLY we arent smarter than alot of man made tecnology because it took millions of people to make that 1 thing because 1 person alone couldnt :)Roushrshanother fine point, rarely does 1 person make a new technology or theory, and no 1 person has been able to even begin to contain a large amount of in depth physics knowledge. its just too much for the human brain to handle, have to take it as parts.
I don't have the knowledge to make one, but that's my point, I could LEARN to make one. A machine can make other machines only so long as humans teach them how. They still are limited by the fact that we teach them, when computers can learn on their own, then they will be smarter.
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Oh, our bodies may not have 3 cell processors, but it has a brain. An organ that has the potential to be infinitely powerful mental wise. But we don't use our brains to their full potential. If we did, hell we'd probably be able to cure cancer by mere will and thought.
Well, currently, we are smarter then computers. Not because we make them, but because they currently don't have the ability to learn. Sure it's intelligent, but only so far as it's programmed. Besides, not all humans have the same level of intelligence. Look at Eintstein, Tesla, Eddison, are any of us as smart as them? Possibly, the average human uses I believe less then 10% of their brain. The chances of us using more is well....declining. Were relying on computers more and more. Eventually, we will make computers that can learn and judge situations, and at that time, computers may well be more intelligent then us. Either that or we'll end up nuking each other before then, in any case. At this time, yes we are, or atleast, most of us. *coughs*Bush*coughs*xxalucard66xxthe 10% of your brain thing is a myth, you use all your brain, just not at once, cause it wouldnt make sense to do so as each section has its own purpose. why use your emotion portion to make calculations? anyway, your right, right now, they are not more intelligent, but i promise you this, they will be smarter than us as long as we continue making technology updates like we are. its just bound to happen, cause we are merely organic computers. initially they will have to be programmed, but you have to program a child if you want to get technical.
Do you mean : "Are we smarter then the Ps3?"? The way your typing doesn't show that you are! :lol:
The 10% thing is not a myth. Why is it that I'm more intelligent then some of my friends, and can learn faster then them? Why is it that previous geniuses were geniuses and we aren't? Every person uses different amounts of their brain's power, but the average is below 10%. Back on topic though. Give it a couple years and computers will be smarter then us, because in truth, we don't WANT to be smart, we want a robot to do everything for us.
all of your brain gets used, want proof? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain "Although folklore would have it that about 90% of the human brain is dormant, this has proven scientifically unfounded. The fact that ~10% of neurons in the brain fire at any one time is a possible source of this misconception. (If a large percentage of the neurons were to fire at the same time, the result would be a grand mal seizure.)" you cant use all of your brain at the same time, especially for thought. part of your brain is dedicated to involuntary movements (heart, breathing, etc) obviously you couldnt use those for thought. you have a portion of your brain that decodes senses and pain, obviously not used for thought.The 10% thing is not a myth. Why is it that I'm more intelligent then some of my friends, and can learn faster then them? Why is it that previous geniuses were geniuses and we aren't? Every person uses different amounts of their brain's power, but the average is below 10%. Back on topic though. Give it a couple years and computers will be smarter then us, because in truth, we don't WANT to be smart, we want a robot to do everything for us.
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I guess I wasn't clear in my example. Some people can handle more neurons being fired off then others. Can you make cold fusion? I highly doubt it. Some people are smarter then others, their brains are more developed. Besides, I don't believe wikipedia, a 10 year old can edit the friggin' articles how the hell am I supposed to find it to be reliant??
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm theres another source for you spanky. you ever notice how really intelligent people are usually only good at one thing? and i dont mean kind of intelligent, i mean the extremely intelligent, like einstein, he was considered retarded by his peers and teachers, but was amazing with math. stop making such simple conclusions on something which is more complicated than anyone knows at this point. they are still decoding the brain, and figuring these things out, but it is a cold hard fact that we use all our brainsI guess I wasn't clear in my example. Some people can handle more neurons being fired off then others. Can you make cold fusion? I highly doubt it. Some people are smarter then others, their brains are more developed. Besides, I don't believe wikipedia, a 10 year old can edit the friggin' articles how the hell am I supposed to find it to be reliant??
xxalucard66xx
[QUOTE="xxalucard66xx"]http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm theres another source for you spanky. you ever notice how really intelligent people are usually only good at one thing? and i dont mean kind of intelligent, i mean the extremely intelligent, like einstein, he was considered retarded by his peers and teachers, but was amazing with math. stop making such simple conclusions on something which is more complicated than anyone knows at this point. they are still decoding the brain, and figuring these things out, but it is a cold hard fact that we use all our brainsI guess I wasn't clear in my example. Some people can handle more neurons being fired off then others. Can you make cold fusion? I highly doubt it. Some people are smarter then others, their brains are more developed. Besides, I don't believe wikipedia, a 10 year old can edit the friggin' articles how the hell am I supposed to find it to be reliant??
Gzus666
You said it yourself, we're still decoding the brain and understanding it.  It's more complicated then anything we can understand, so how is it cold hard fact? Sure, I said I believe we use less then 10% of our brains. Maybe I'm wrong, sure, but how do you know you're right? Are you god? If you are then I'll be damned I need to kick your ass for alot of things then.
Whatever let's just all shut up and agree, were smarter then the PS3, and until we make machines that can learn on their own, we will be smarter.Â
[QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="xxalucard66xx"]http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm theres another source for you spanky. you ever notice how really intelligent people are usually only good at one thing? and i dont mean kind of intelligent, i mean the extremely intelligent, like einstein, he was considered retarded by his peers and teachers, but was amazing with math. stop making such simple conclusions on something which is more complicated than anyone knows at this point. they are still decoding the brain, and figuring these things out, but it is a cold hard fact that we use all our brainsI guess I wasn't clear in my example. Some people can handle more neurons being fired off then others. Can you make cold fusion? I highly doubt it. Some people are smarter then others, their brains are more developed. Besides, I don't believe wikipedia, a 10 year old can edit the friggin' articles how the hell am I supposed to find it to be reliant??
xxalucard66xx
You said it yourself, we're still decoding the brain and understanding it. It's more complicated then anything we can understand, so how is it cold hard fact? Sure, I said I believe we use less then 10% of our brains. Maybe I'm wrong, sure, but how do you know you're right? Are you god? If you are then I'll be damned I need to kick your ass for alot of things then.
Whatever let's just all shut up and agree, were smarter then the PS3, and until we make machines that can learn on their own, we will be smarter.
here is a simple example used in the article you obviously didnt read. if you get brain damage, and you only use 10% of your brain, logically unless you damaged that 10%, it would go unnoticed right? next they have scans that can show neuron impulses, clearly showing that all your brain is used. nice job on not reading it though. cute god reference, im sure the complacency that comes from thinking a higher power has all the answers for you is a nice way to take yourself off the hook of using any logic or reasoning on anything, go team[QUOTE="xxalucard66xx"][QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="xxalucard66xx"]http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm theres another source for you spanky. you ever notice how really intelligent people are usually only good at one thing? and i dont mean kind of intelligent, i mean the extremely intelligent, like einstein, he was considered retarded by his peers and teachers, but was amazing with math. stop making such simple conclusions on something which is more complicated than anyone knows at this point. they are still decoding the brain, and figuring these things out, but it is a cold hard fact that we use all our brainsI guess I wasn't clear in my example. Some people can handle more neurons being fired off then others. Can you make cold fusion? I highly doubt it. Some people are smarter then others, their brains are more developed. Besides, I don't believe wikipedia, a 10 year old can edit the friggin' articles how the hell am I supposed to find it to be reliant??
Gzus666
You said it yourself, we're still decoding the brain and understanding it. It's more complicated then anything we can understand, so how is it cold hard fact? Sure, I said I believe we use less then 10% of our brains. Maybe I'm wrong, sure, but how do you know you're right? Are you god? If you are then I'll be damned I need to kick your ass for alot of things then.
Whatever let's just all shut up and agree, were smarter then the PS3, and until we make machines that can learn on their own, we will be smarter.
here is a simple example used in the article you obviously didnt read. if you get brain damage, and you only use 10% of your brain, logically unless you damaged that 10%, it would go unnoticed right? next they have scans that can show neuron impulses, clearly showing that all your brain is used. nice job on not reading it though. cute god reference, im sure the complacency that comes from thinking a higher power has all the answers for you is a nice way to take yourself off the hook of using any logic or reasoning on anything, go team sorry im not taking sides here but its not like a chunck of the brain in the corner is the 10% we use, the 10% could be used throughout, and maybe he didnt mean mass, what if we only use 10% of what the brain is capable? (not saying either is right or wrong, just saying we are leap and bounds and light years smarter then a ps3)you couldnt use all your brain, cause you would have a seizure, i linked that too. the portions of your brain needed for a particular task are used, it would be silly for your brain not to. we may have more knowledge than the PS3, but only because of a lack of self contained AI. given time, computers will have self contained AI and learning(they already can make decisions with AI, even in non logical situations, its called fuzzy logic, its been around for a while now)and they will surpass us. its just how it will happen, its impossible to deny if you have any thought behind your answer. and for the cute flops comparison of the brain, lets remember that at least half of the brain is not used for calculations of thought at all, most of it being used for involuntary actions, artistic thoughts, sensory reception, etc. its rather pitiful how much you people try to act like your smarter than it just cause of what its made of. how many of you can cleanly run a game at 1080P 60fps? none? thought so, not so fun when someone uses those same BS examples the other way huh. it will be some time before robots can out think us, but it will come.Gzus666i agree, first you need to define by what you mean by smarter. i do think computers will get smarter and smarter and even tho AI could get very smart, i dont think anything will ever equal a human brain unless it is made from biological compnents. like no matter how smart a computer is it will never be aware of its on mortality because it dosnt have one, so there we cant be equal, that also cant be measured in illteligence
This is a very thought provoking thread and a great read.
Though I remember reading that the brain can, for the lack of better words, output at around 10 petaflops. But, don't take my word on it, I'm not so sure myself. :P
[QUOTE="shuriken_ninja"]how mamy of us think were as smart or smater than the ps3?comissarioeveryone is smarter than the ps3 ok. if humans invent something it means they're smarter than the thing they invented ok. i guess ur the only human dummer than the ps3 excluding the mentally ill (no offense to them) yeah but not evryone in the world invented the ps3, if sumone stuk u down with a hole heap of stuff i doubt you could invnt one, although saying that i still think his is a stupid pointles question, damn teenagers and there drugs
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