The Official Final Fantasy XIII Thread (56K Warning)

So, the major problem seems to be that the game is too different.

Seriously, gamers are never happy. If it was the same game as previous ones, people would complain that it's just a rehash, not original, gamers need innovation, etc...

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

i almost want to agree with him. first and foremost, i don't like games that REQUIRE a strategy guide to get through. secondly what i hated about 12 returned here, strategy stacking. why do i have to protect my characters, debuff the enemy, switch to ravagers, raise the break gauges, switch to something else to actually do damage to the enemy and then rinse repeat for other enemies. it takes waaaaaay too long to kill 3 enemies sometimes. npc AI can bepretty retarded, game over when main character dies, can't control my characters individual actions.

all in all, the battle system, the most important part of the game feels like a constant crap shoot. every battle i go in thinking "ok are you morons gonna get yourselves killed this time?" and i can fight the same enemy twice using the exact same strategy and the first time can be a 5 star win and the second time can take a couple minutes and be 0 stars. i fought 5 little beetle things and it took a couple minutes. i fought a giant behemoth boss thing and juggled it in the air almost the entire battle. the beetle things killed me twice, the behemoth which was about the size of a 16 wheeler all but killed himself and THAT is just absolutely moronic.

z4twenny

LMAO, i've been playing ff since 1. don't tell me i'm not the type of person who doesn't fathom tactics and strategy. i don't like the strategy system they set up. i liked the older battles better, this isn't a ff game to me. every battle feels like a crap shoot and i'm left hoping that the combos i have set up work like they're supposed to. my problem is i think i could do it better by hand and its not an option. i don't like not having control over my characters.

btw, i'm mostly 4-5 starring all the battles, don't tell me i don't know strategy. my issue is with not having full control, b/c i think if i could control all the characters i could come out 5 starring ALL the battles. btw, i hope you get modded for just generally being a jerk :D

lastly, why should i not have bought it? i wanted a final fantasy game, unfortunately they didn't deliver one. its a decent rpg with a wonky battle system, but it's not a final fantasy, not really.

you arent 4-5 staring any battles if it takes you minutes to complete them. most battles have a 30-40 second time limit for anything more than 1-2 stars.

the characters that you do not control, as has been said in almost EVERY review, perform VERY reliably in combat. they are extremely proactive healers, buffers, and debuffers. if they are not performing these functions fast enough, you are not switching paradims fast enough and thus it is a user error, not the games.

finally, if you would have read any reviews you would have known the battle system was like this, and thus you SHOULD NOT have bought the game if you have this opinion. its a pretty simply concept.

[QUOTE="Grieverr"]

So, the major problem seems to be that the game is too different.

Seriously, gamers are never happy. If it was the same game as previous ones, people would complain that it's just a rehash, not original, gamers need innovation, etc...

TheEldestGod

this should have been expected from the FF series, and you are being ridiculous about it.

the FF series has reinvented itself after EVERY game. this is just another example of it, and it is a GOOD CHANGE. im sorry, im saying it.... the changes in FF13 are GOOD.

i would have liked to have had REAL towns, but besides that, SE has done an amazing job advancing the genre with this game. those of you that are **** havent even completed the first 2 hours of the game or you would realize the combat changes a LOT, as does the linearity of the game.

come back and talk after you have played 10 hours even.... the game changes a lot.

[QUOTE="TheEldestGod"][QUOTE="Grieverr"]

So, the major problem seems to be that the game is too different.

Seriously, gamers are never happy. If it was the same game as previous ones, people would complain that it's just a rehash, not original, gamers need innovation, etc...

Roland123_basic

this should have been expected from the FF series, and you are being ridiculous about it.

the FF series has reinvented itself after EVERY game. this is just another example of it, and it is a GOOD CHANGE. im sorry, im saying it.... the changes in FF13 are GOOD.

i would have liked to have had REAL towns, but besides that, SE has done an amazing job advancing the genre with this game. those of you that are **** havent even completed the first 2 hours of the game or you would realize the combat changes a LOT, as does the linearity of the game.

come back and talk after you have played 10 hours even.... the game changes a lot.

Agreed. I, too, have played Final Fantasy since 7, and then I went back and played 1-6 (with my favorites being 8 and 10). And believe me, I would've been very happy with another turn-based RPG with an open world and towns and all that. But the truth is that this game is very good and we should keep an open mind. Hey, it's got chocobos :)

^ im at 9 1/2 and its terrible. and YES, i AM 4-5 starring most battles. had you read my post you'd know im calling out the battle system because im sure i could do it better by hand. you just don't seem to get it, it's not a final fantasy game. its more akin to a strategy game than an rpg with FF stuff thrown in it. i think the game in general could have been a lot more than what it is.

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

LMAO, i've been playing ff since 1. don't tell me i'm not the type of person who doesn't fathom tactics and strategy. i don't like the strategy system they set up. i liked the older battles better, this isn't a ff game to me. every battle feels like a crap shoot and i'm left hoping that the combos i have set up work like they're supposed to. my problem is i think i could do it better by hand and its not an option. i don't like not having control over my characters.

btw, i'm mostly 4-5 starring all the battles, don't tell me i don't know strategy. my issue is with not having full control, b/c i think if i could control all the characters i could come out 5 starring ALL the battles. btw, i hope you get modded for just generally being a jerk :D

lastly, why should i not have bought it? i wanted a final fantasy game, unfortunately they didn't deliver one. its a decent rpg with a wonky battle system, but it's not a final fantasy, not really.

z4twenny

you arent 4-5 staring any battles if it takes you minutes to complete them. most battles have a 30-40 second time limit for anything more than 1-2 stars.

the characters that you do not control, as has been said in almost EVERY review, perform VERY reliably in combat. they are extremely proactive healers, buffers, and debuffers. if they are not performing these functions fast enough, you are not switching paradims fast enough and thus it is a user error, not the games.

finally, if you would have read any reviews you would have known the battle system was like this, and thus you SHOULD NOT have bought the game if you have this opinion. its a pretty simply concept.

do the rest of us a favor and go choke on something.

nah, you havent. anyone can tell you havent played more than an hour or two of the game, as at the 2.5 hour mark there is a specific fight that if you dont manage paradims properly, you will never actually win the fight. beyond 2.5 hours there are dozens more examples of this.

you havent even made it out of the first fal'Cie at the very beginning of the game. i have never died or lost a fight due to my AI partners not doing what they are supposed to, nor have most people im willing to bet, including reviewers considering most of the reviews have made a specific point to say how fantastic the AI is and how well your partners perform their paradim roles. if i die, it is VERY obviously because i didnt manage my paradims properly.

hey i'm getting really frustrated with the crystal boss fight (2nd), i'm finding this clearly impossible, any tips?

hey i'm getting really frustrated with the crystal boss fight (2nd), i'm finding this clearly impossible, any tips?

EGRO_RenagadeX

typically it is a matter of learning when the boss will do its super move, switching to sentinel or something with lots of defense, and then switching back to a more offensive strat afterwards.

What do you guys think of Vanille so far? I think she's one of those "love her or hate her" type of characters. I love her, I think she's hilarious, just comically odd.juden41

[QUOTE="TheEldestGod"][QUOTE="Grieverr"]

So, the major problem seems to be that the game is too different.

Seriously, gamers are never happy. If it was the same game as previous ones, people would complain that it's just a rehash, not original, gamers need innovation, etc...

this should have been expected from the FF series, and you are being ridiculous about it.

the FF series has reinvented itself after EVERY game. this is just another example of it, and it is a GOOD CHANGE. im sorry, im saying it.... the changes in FF13 are GOOD.

i would have liked to have had REAL towns, but besides that, SE has done an amazing job advancing the genre with this game. those of you that are **** havent even completed the first 2 hours of the game or you would realize the combat changes a LOT, as does the linearity of the game.

come back and talk after you have played 10 hours even.... the game changes a lot.

I can agree and disagree here.

Ive never really been a fan of final fantasy. As far as ps1 and 2 goes with all the rpgs our there it never had anything... apealing. It was always THE most generic of the franchise. Lol now this generation the complete and utter lack of what is your traditional rpg is making me almost wish that this ff game was generic.

On the other hand. This is the first final fantasy game ive ever actually considered to be above an 8.

Imo every other final fantasy game out there was overated as hell. Yeah sure ff10 had great graphics but its story was terrible. ff8 had good graphics but probably the worst story in the series... except for 12... Dont get me started on the waste of money 12 was.

However for some reason this ff game is getting an amazing score out of me. battle system while not what I was hoping for going in is still amazing. Storyline seems to have a bit more depth than some of the others so far but I cant be sure.

Anyways im about 12 hours in and its a very solid game.

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]

[QUOTE="TheEldestGod"] I think a lot of you guys misunderstand how much the FF series has meant to a lot of us over the years. Completely changing the formula has broken a gaming tradition that has literally spanned decades throughout some of our lives. So, yeah, its a bit disappointing. I was looking forward to the next gen Final Fantasy, and all I got was an action game CALLED Final Fantasy. Its not the same. The game is still pretty awesome, but its just not the same. Final Fantasy without towns, stores, a world map, full control and customization of party members, and a deep levelling system is like Metal Gear Solid without the cardboard box. :?TheEldestGod

this should have been expected from the FF series, and you are being ridiculous about it.

the FF series has reinvented itself after EVERY game. this is just another example of it, and it is a GOOD CHANGE. im sorry, im saying it.... the changes in FF13 are GOOD.

i would have liked to have had REAL towns, but besides that, SE has done an amazing job advancing the genre with this game. those of you that are **** havent even completed the first 2 hours of the game or you would realize the combat changes a LOT, as does the linearity of the game.

come back and talk after you have played 10 hours even.... the game changes a lot.

[QUOTE="TheEldestGod"][QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]

this should have been expected from the FF series, and you are being ridiculous about it.

the FF series has reinvented itself after EVERY game. this is just another example of it, and it is a GOOD CHANGE. im sorry, im saying it.... the changes in FF13 are GOOD.

i would have liked to have had REAL towns, but besides that, SE has done an amazing job advancing the genre with this game. those of you that are **** havent even completed the first 2 hours of the game or you would realize the combat changes a LOT, as does the linearity of the game.

come back and talk after you have played 10 hours even.... the game changes a lot.

vincent380

I'm not asking you guys to agree with me. I just think you should understand a little better where we are coming from and YOU are being a little ridiculous about it. Its a good game. Yes, I like it, but its still not a FF game to me. I totally disagree that all the changes made were good. Final Fantasy has, infact, reinvented itself with nearly every installment, but c'mon, dude. Don't play coy. The FF series has still kept a few key traditional elements intact over the years through all those reinventions where this one has completely erased all of them. This is not a reinvention, this is a title robbery. This is identify theft. You can call me ridiculous all you want, but I feel the way I feel for very good reason. As amazing as FFXIII is it would be MUCH better were those elements left be. /$00.02

What EXACTLY is a tradition FF game? Non of of FFs to me has been the same all of them has had a different tone an feel to them.

The diffent stories, characters, and atmospheres has always been welcome. Pay attention to the reviews. They all mention the same exact things that are missing that have been there from the beginning almost. Explorable towns, different shops to find with different weapons and items, interactivity with all the townspeople, sidequests, an explorable world map with tons of secret locations and treasures to be discovered, an airship towards the end of the game that allows you to explore the world freely, a deep leveling system that gives you full control of how each character plays, the ability to choose and control your entire party during battle..... C'mon, if you don't know what I'm referring to then you aren't much of a fan of RPGs in general.

I totally agree with this guy. Anyone who says different clearly hasn't played many FF games.

[QUOTE="vincent380"][QUOTE="TheEldestGod"]

I'm not asking you guys to agree with me. I just think you should understand a little better where we are coming from and YOU are being a little ridiculous about it. Its a good game. Yes, I like it, but its still not a FF game to me. I totally disagree that all the changes made were good. Final Fantasy has, infact, reinvented itself with nearly every installment, but c'mon, dude. Don't play coy. The FF series has still kept a few key traditional elements intact over the years through all those reinventions where this one has completely erased all of them. This is not a reinvention, this is a title robbery. This is identify theft. You can call me ridiculous all you want, but I feel the way I feel for very good reason. As amazing as FFXIII is it would be MUCH better were those elements left be. /$00.02

TheEldestGod

What EXACTLY is a tradition FF game? Non of of FFs to me has been the same all of them has had a different tone an feel to them.

The diffent stories, characters, and atmospheres has always been welcome. Pay attention to the reviews. They all mention the same exact things that are missing that have been there from the beginning almost. Explorable towns, different shops to find with different weapons and items, interactivity with all the townspeople, sidequests, an explorable world map with tons of secret locations and treasures to be discovered, an airship towards the end of the game that allows you to explore the world freely, a deep leveling system that gives you full control of how each character plays, the ability to choose and control your entire party during battle..... C'mon, if you don't know what I'm referring to then you aren't much of a fan of RPGs in general.

[QUOTE="vincent380"][QUOTE="TheEldestGod"]

I'm not asking you guys to agree with me. I just think you should understand a little better where we are coming from and YOU are being a little ridiculous about it. Its a good game. Yes, I like it, but its still not a FF game to me. I totally disagree that all the changes made were good. Final Fantasy has, infact, reinvented itself with nearly every installment, but c'mon, dude. Don't play coy. The FF series has still kept a few key traditional elements intact over the years through all those reinventions where this one has completely erased all of them. This is not a reinvention, this is a title robbery. This is identify theft. You can call me ridiculous all you want, but I feel the way I feel for very good reason. As amazing as FFXIII is it would be MUCH better were those elements left be. /$00.02

TheEldestGod

What EXACTLY is a tradition FF game? Non of of FFs to me has been the same all of them has had a different tone an feel to them.

The diffent stories, characters, and atmospheres has always been welcome. Pay attention to the reviews. They all mention the same exact things that are missing that have been there from the beginning almost. Explorable towns, different shops to find with different weapons and items, interactivity with all the townspeople, sidequests, an explorable world map with tons of secret locations and treasures to be discovered, an airship towards the end of the game that allows you to explore the world freely, a deep leveling system that gives you full control of how each character plays, the ability to choose and control your entire party during battle..... C'mon, if you don't know what I'm referring to then you aren't much of a fan of RPGs in general.

stack1109

I totally agree with this guy. Anyone who says different clearly hasn't played many FF games.

[QUOTE="stack1109"]The diffent stories, characters, and atmospheres has always been welcome. Pay attention to the reviews. They all mention the same exact things that are missing that have been there from the beginning almost. Explorable towns, different shops to find with different weapons and items, interactivity with all the townspeople, sidequests, an explorable world map with tons of secret locations and treasures to be discovered, an airship towards the end of the game that allows you to explore the world freely, a deep leveling system that gives you full control of how each character plays, the ability to choose and control your entire party during battle..... C'mon, if you don't know what I'm referring to then you aren't much of a fan of RPGs in general.Roland123_basic

I totally agree with this guy. Anyone who says different clearly hasn't played many FF games.

i have played every FF game in the entire series... even the originals that didnt come over to the states until years later.... everything this guy says is total bunk. you are just mad because the game decided to be different, and guess what, that is YOUR problem. the changes in FF, FOR THE MOST PART, are exceptional. as i said earlier, i would rather have seen REAL towns, but the lack of towns has not had any effect on my enjoyment of the game. @TheEldestGod dont try to mix words here dude.... earlier you were saying the game is terrible, now you are saying it is a good game... so which is it? people come in here, call you out, make everyone see that you are being ridiculous and suddenly your story starts changing... i see how it is.

Quote me where I said its terrible? I said I was disappointed. Obviously I still am. I do like the game for what it is, but its still not what I expected from the franchise. I'm not talking about spin-offs, either. I'm talking about the numbered Final Fantasy RPG series. The game is still good, but it feels more like a spin-off in a way. I see people say that some of stuff appears later in the game. I'm looking forward to that, but why couldn't they have that stuff in there the whole time. Oh well.

Anyway, you're being pretty irrational. No one has called me out on anything. I've not changed my story one bit. I've stood by my opinion the entire time and will continue to do so. You're the one who's being ridiculous for attacking me for having an opinion. You do a pretty poor job of explaining how exactly I'm wrong in any way; you just say that I am. Seriously, dude, get over it. You obviously just like to argue, but you're making a fool out of yourself.

The weakness of this game is it doesnt allow player to command jump and climb.

Can we have 7 with this graphics and old gameplay ??? please

so what chapter is everybody at in this game?

i'm on chapter 11, on the final boss of this chapter, he's extremely difficult and has more than 3 million hit points, and if i take too long in the battle, he casts Doom on me which sucks, after all the work i did to try to damage the boss

FF13 is boring...bad camera angle and chaotic storytelling...give me back my $70!

Loving the game so far! Breathtaking environments/graphics, interesting story, amazingly fun battle system, etc etc! Can't wait to play more. :)

Regardless of what anyone thinks it is, it's Final Fantasy made by Square Enix how they wanted it to be. I'm suprised people are still wallowing in the past.CraigyM83

I agree. I'm very much like Yahtzee and Jim Sterling on this subject. Developers should ignore fans. Fans are chains that hold games back by forcing them to adhere to rigid formula. Make the game you want to make to fit your vision, and just go with it. All this talk of this not being a "true" Final Fantasy is without any merit at all. If SE says this is a Final Fantasy game, that's what it is. No amount of stubborn denial will change that. To those who don't like the changes you have a simple option here, cash in your chips and leave the Final Fantasy table. Because it's obvious the series has simply left some of you behind. Final Fantasy is a big name in a shrinking increasingly niche genre.

Changes to broaden it's appeal beyond the "fans" are an absolute must. The chains have been broken, and I doubt SE will willingly be chained down again. You stay classy, Squeenix.

[QUOTE="Essian"]Okay seriously, I am stuck and need some help. Spoilers up to the end of chapter 4 ahead: How the **** do you kill Odin?!?!?!?! The ****ing Eidolon at the end of chapter 4? It says he has a weakness to chain building, but he hits to ****ing hard for me to ever leave my medic/com combo. I got him ALMOST halfway before he ****ed the hell out of me and that stupid little kid, so someone please, how do you kill this guy? This is so ****ing frustrating, and it's only the 4th ****ing chapter, and if this is what I have to look forward to, then **** this nonsense.vincent380

[QUOTE="CraigyM83"]Regardless of what anyone thinks it is, it's Final Fantasy made by Square Enix how they wanted it to be. I'm suprised people are still wallowing in the past.SteveTabernacle

I agree. I'm very much like Yahtzee and Jim Sterling on this subject. Developers should ignore fans. Fans are chains that hold games back by forcing them to adhere to rigid formula. Make the game you want to make to fit your vision, and just go with it. All this talk of this not being a "true" Final Fantasy is without any merit at all. If SE says this is a Final Fantasy game, that's what it is. No amount of stubborn denial will change that. To those who don't like the changes you have a simple option here, cash in your chips and leave the Final Fantasy table. Because it's obvious the series has simply left some of you behind. Final Fantasy is a big name in a shrinking increasingly niche genre.

Changes to broaden it's appeal beyond the "fans" are an absolute must. The chains have been broken, and I doubt SE will willingly be chained down again. You stay classy, Squeenix.

[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"]

[QUOTE="CraigyM83"]Regardless of what anyone thinks it is, it's Final Fantasy made by Square Enix how they wanted it to be. I'm suprised people are still wallowing in the past.TheEldestGod

I agree. I'm very much like Yahtzee and Jim Sterling on this subject. Developers should ignore fans. Fans are chains that hold games back by forcing them to adhere to rigid formula. Make the game you want to make to fit your vision, and just go with it. All this talk of this not being a "true" Final Fantasy is without any merit at all. If SE says this is a Final Fantasy game, that's what it is. No amount of stubborn denial will change that. To those who don't like the changes you have a simple option here, cash in your chips and leave the Final Fantasy table. Because it's obvious the series has simply left some of you behind. Final Fantasy is a big name in a shrinking increasingly niche genre.

Changes to broaden it's appeal beyond the "fans" are an absolute must. The chains have been broken, and I doubt SE will willingly be chained down again. You stay classy, Squeenix.

Exacly. In a nutshell, they ditched their faithfull fans in order to make more money, making a game that SHOULD appeal to a broader audience...the problem is, in order to reach a broader audience, you have to make a game simple (which speaks a lot for the gamer population ans/or the population in general... IQ anyone?). And a simple FF is like Blizzard removing levels from WoW because they suddenly feel they make things too complicated :roll:

I have yet to see a sigle person who liked the FF 3-12 say they are completely happy with the new game. And this is not surprising, as to us this game feels like it was made for little kids. Sorry, but it's true. And as good as the game's story and graphics are, the shallow and simplistic design decisions really show. I was hoping, praying that FF 13 would NOT end up like Sqaure's last failiure "The last remnant", but instead it turned out even worse in some aspects.

In short, FF is a solid game with a good story and graphics, but nothing more. And as most FF fans can tell you, this is not good enough for a FF game.

So this brings me to my question: With the new RPG-s that came out for the ps3 lately, which one would you recomment for a real jRPG fan? I'm really in need of a solid jRPG which knows it's place. Star ocean or White knight chronicles? Maybe a 3rd one?

They, like everyone else, are trying to reach a much broader market and know that most people don't like JRPGs. So, guess what... They didn't make one. TheEldestGod

Exacly. In a nutshell, they ditched their faithfull fans in order to make more money, making a game that SHOULD appeal to a broader audience...the problem is, in order to reach a broader audience, you have to make a game simple (which speaks a lot for the gamer population ans/or the population in general... IQ anyone?). And a simple FF is like Blizzard removing levels from WoW because they suddenly feel they make things too complicatedRayn303

I don't agree that it's a huge departure. This game isn't like RE4 or anything. The core of the gameplay is still there, and other elements like towns and player control are there in different forms.

I'm really getting sick of all of this Final Fantasy XIII debating that's going on... and I'm a man who usually loves debates.

If you enjoy the game, then shut up and enjoy the game.

If you dislike the changes, then shut up and dislike the changes.

Steve just said in an earlier post that developers should stop listening to fans. I partially agree, but above all else, fans should stop listening to other fans. With the internet and all, consumers try to force their opinions on others way to much. There's expressing opinion, and then there's arguing about why you're point of view is superior to everyone else.

That's not a debate; that's just picking a fight.

[QUOTE="juden41"]What do you guys think of Vanille so far? I think she's one of those "love her or hate her" type of characters. I love her, I think she's hilarious, just comically odd.Roland123_basic

This game is sooo good!!! And to those people saying it's not a FF, well have you noticed that every FF everything is totally different!? I love everything about the game, everything feels so fresh and awesome!

Oh dear, people just don't like changes do they? I dare you people who don't, to say that you'll be wanting to play Final Fantasy XX with FF3 or FF7formula(Yes great games, but imo, for their time).

[QUOTE="TheEldestGod"][QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"]

I agree. I'm very much like Yahtzee and Jim Sterling on this subject. Developers should ignore fans. Fans are chains that hold games back by forcing them to adhere to rigid formula. Make the game you want to make to fit your vision, and just go with it. All this talk of this not being a "true" Final Fantasy is without any merit at all. If SE says this is a Final Fantasy game, that's what it is. No amount of stubborn denial will change that. To those who don't like the changes you have a simple option here, cash in your chips and leave the Final Fantasy table. Because it's obvious the series has simply left some of you behind. Final Fantasy is a big name in a shrinking increasingly niche genre.

Changes to broaden it's appeal beyond the "fans" are an absolute must. The chains have been broken, and I doubt SE will willingly be chained down again. You stay classy, Squeenix.

Rayn303

Exacly. In a nutshell, they ditched their faithfull fans in order to make more money, making a game that SHOULD appeal to a broader audience...the problem is, in order to reach a broader audience, you have to make a game simple (which speaks a lot for the gamer population ans/or the population in general... IQ anyone?). And a simple FF is like Blizzard removing levels from WoW because they suddenly feel they make things too complicated :roll:

I have yet to see a sigle person who liked the FF 3-12 say they are completely happy with the new game. And this is not surprising, as to us this game feels like it was made for little kids. Sorry, but it's true. And as good as the game's story and graphics are, the shallow and simplistic design decisions really show. I was hoping, praying that FF 13 would NOT end up like Sqaure's last failiure "The last remnant", but instead it turned out even worse in some aspects.

In short, FF is a solid game with a good story and graphics, but nothing more. And as most FF fans can tell you, this is not good enough for a FF game.

So this brings me to my question: With the new RPG-s that came out for the ps3 lately, which one would you recomment for a real jRPG fan? I'm really in need of a solid jRPG which knows it's place. Star ocean or White knight chronicles? Maybe a 3rd one?

so what chapter is everybody at in this game?

i'm on chapter 11, on the final boss of this chapter, he's extremely difficult and has more than 3 million hit points, and if i take too long in the battle, he casts Doom on me which sucks, after all the work i did to try to damage the boss

killerband55

I said what I had to say. You can rationalize it all you want. The game is for kids. It's shallow, simple to a fault and more linear than any FF game ever made. I'm sure there are many kids with no gaming standards that like it, simply because they don't know any better, but that doesn't make it a good game. Defend it if you feel you must, but my opinion is based on expirience, not heresay and is therefore not swayed by empty talk. Unfortunately, 90% of people here weren't even planned for when the FF series began, hence discussing a game series most never even played is pointless. So I'm not gonna waste my time. Enjoy your game. You deserve it, just the way it is. ;)

[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"]

[QUOTE="CraigyM83"]Regardless of what anyone thinks it is, it's Final Fantasy made by Square Enix how they wanted it to be. I'm suprised people are still wallowing in the past.TheEldestGod

I agree. I'm very much like Yahtzee and Jim Sterling on this subject. Developers should ignore fans. Fans are chains that hold games back by forcing them to adhere to rigid formula. Make the game you want to make to fit your vision, and just go with it. All this talk of this not being a "true" Final Fantasy is without any merit at all. If SE says this is a Final Fantasy game, that's what it is. No amount of stubborn denial will change that. To those who don't like the changes you have a simple option here, cash in your chips and leave the Final Fantasy table. Because it's obvious the series has simply left some of you behind. Final Fantasy is a big name in a shrinking increasingly niche genre.

Changes to broaden it's appeal beyond the "fans" are an absolute must. The chains have been broken, and I doubt SE will willingly be chained down again. You stay classy, Squeenix.

[QUOTE="TheEldestGod"][QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"]

I agree. I'm very much like Yahtzee and Jim Sterling on this subject. Developers should ignore fans. Fans are chains that hold games back by forcing them to adhere to rigid formula. Make the game you want to make to fit your vision, and just go with it. All this talk of this not being a "true" Final Fantasy is without any merit at all. If SE says this is a Final Fantasy game, that's what it is. No amount of stubborn denial will change that. To those who don't like the changes you have a simple option here, cash in your chips and leave the Final Fantasy table. Because it's obvious the series has simply left some of you behind. Final Fantasy is a big name in a shrinking increasingly niche genre.

Changes to broaden it's appeal beyond the "fans" are an absolute must. The chains have been broken, and I doubt SE will willingly be chained down again. You stay classy, Squeenix.

Rayn303

Exacly. In a nutshell, they ditched their faithfull fans in order to make more money, making a game that SHOULD appeal to a broader audience...the problem is, in order to reach a broader audience, you have to make a game simple (which speaks a lot for the gamer population ans/or the population in general... IQ anyone?). And a simple FF is like Blizzard removing levels from WoW because they suddenly feel they make things too complicated :roll:

I have yet to see a sigle person who liked the FF 3-12 say they are completely happy with the new game. And this is not surprising, as to us this game feels like it was made for little kids. Sorry, but it's true. And as good as the game's story and graphics are, the shallow and simplistic design decisions really show. I was hoping, praying that FF 13 would NOT end up like Sqaure's last failiure "The last remnant", but instead it turned out even worse in some aspects.

In short, FF is a solid game with a good story and graphics, but nothing more. And as most FF fans can tell you, this is not good enough for a FF game.

So this brings me to my question: With the new RPG-s that came out for the ps3 lately, which one would you recomment for a real jRPG fan? I'm really in need of a solid jRPG which knows it's place. Star ocean or White knight chronicles? Maybe a 3rd one?