1up Wii music review

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

The games I've had my wife ask me for....well lets just say I was either ashamed to buy them or I outright refused to buy it. (Wiifit being one I refused to buy.)

HarlockJC

I hope your joking. If your not, that makes you sound like a very poor husband.

[QUOTE="Krigon"]Meh that reviewer is "the casual games" reviewer. No wonder it got -A.ogvampire

um... thats how it works. did you want her to review Gears 2 instead?

Any gamer, with any credible level of critiqueing (sp?) ability should be able to review any game. From wii fit, to NBA 09, to Halo.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

The games I've had my wife ask me for....well lets just say I was either ashamed to buy them or I outright refused to buy it. (Wiifit being one I refused to buy.)

HarlockJC

I hope your joking. If your not, that makes you sound like a very poor husband.

Not when I explained to her that Wiifit is for the ignorant casual masses who don't know any better. I steer her toward the you know....actual good games.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

The games I've had my wife ask me for....well lets just say I was either ashamed to buy them or I outright refused to buy it. (Wiifit being one I refused to buy.)

randomguy15

I hope your joking. If your not, that makes you sound like a very poor husband.

I just don't want to spend money on garbage. God forbid. Meanwhile me and the wifey can't wait to co-op in Little Big Planet. I preorderd the Nariko costume just bc she wanted it.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

The games I've had my wife ask me for....well lets just say I was either ashamed to buy them or I outright refused to buy it. (Wiifit being one I refused to buy.)

Fawlcon_Pawnch

refused??

I truly pitty your wife.

I wouldn't pity her. She's happier than most wives.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

The games I've had my wife ask me for....well lets just say I was either ashamed to buy them or I outright refused to buy it. (Wiifit being one I refused to buy.)

Bread_or_Decide

I hope your joking. If your not, that makes you sound like a very poor husband.

Not when I explained to her that Wiifit is for the ignorant casual masses who don't know any better. I steer her toward the you know....actual good games.

Dear Gawd...

doormat much?

Let her buy whatever TF she wants. WiiFit is a highly rated game appretiated by many women, dont poison her with your fanboy BS. Leave that crap in SW

[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

The games I've had my wife ask me for....well lets just say I was either ashamed to buy them or I outright refused to buy it. (Wiifit being one I refused to buy.)

Bread_or_Decide

I hope your joking. If your not, that makes you sound like a very poor husband.

Not when I explained to her that Wiifit is for the ignorant casual masses who don't know any better. I steer her toward the you know....actual good games.

Dear Gawd...

doormat much?

Let her buy whatever TF she wants. WiiFit is a highly rated game appretiated by many women, dont poison her with your fanboy BS. Leave that crap in SW

Wiifit is trash appreciated by fools.Just like American Idol or Bud Weiser beer. Sorry I have a standard and try to stick to it. And I would stop you right there with the doormat comment.

I hope to god that you are joking.

that you are joking.

mubarakibnumar

I just call it as I see it. Their is such a thing as catering to the lowest common denominator. Nintendo banks on the ignorance of casuals with games like Wiifit. Its like the difference between reading crap like The Devil Wears Prada or reading real literature like Kafka on the Shore. Seems to me the only people that would be offended by this are the same people who think Obama is an elitist snob.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

The games I've had my wife ask me for....well lets just say I was either ashamed to buy them or I outright refused to buy it. (Wiifit being one I refused to buy.)

Bread_or_Decide

I hope your joking. If your not, that makes you sound like a very poor husband.

Not when I explained to her that Wiifit is for the ignorant casual masses who don't know any better. I steer her toward the you know....actual good games.

As you should. A good shephard doesnt let the sheep go astray. The people knocking you are fools for thinking you should just allow any garbage into your house. I'm sure they wouldnt want to hear music they dont like blasted in their homes, or listened to by their children but when it comes to their arguments its fine to have a double standard.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

The games I've had my wife ask me for....well lets just say I was either ashamed to buy them or I outright refused to buy it. (Wiifit being one I refused to buy.)

TheGrat1

I hope your joking. If your not, that makes you sound like a very poor husband.

Not when I explained to her that Wiifit is for the ignorant casual masses who don't know any better. I steer her toward the you know....actual good games.

As you should. A good shephard doesnt let the sheep go astray. The people knocking you are fools for thinking you should just allow any garbage into your house. I'm sure they wouldnt want to hear music they dont like blasted in their homes, or listened to by their children but when it comes to their arguments its fine to have a double standard.

And somehow this reflects on me as a husband to them. If I recommend an entree at a restaurant and tell her the one she was about to order was awful...does that make ME the bad guy? She can like whatever she likes but people should be warned when being taken advantage of. Wiifit is going to end up in so many closets unplayed. I bought my wife the fitness game for the EYE TOY and she never used it. So there ya go on that genre. I did watch with glee as she beat super princess peach, new super mario brothers, rayman raving rabbids, for her DS. Now she's tackling Yoshi's Island. She actually plays the good games. Funny how that works out.

[QUOTE="mubarakibnumar"]that you are joking.

Bread_or_Decide

I just call it as I see it. Their is such a thing as catering to the lowest common denominator. Nintendo banks on the ignorance of casuals with games like Wiifit. Its like the difference between reading crap like The Devil Wears Prada or reading real literature like Kafka on the Shore. Seems to me the only people that would be offended by this are the same people who think Obama is an elitist snob.

You just keep on throwing these comments, they are quite entertaining.

Always hilarious to see the self-proclaimed "sophisticated gamers" peackoking themselves and undermining the "fool casual's" taste in games and habits. I also find it funny you said "elitist snob", it applies to your posts like a glove.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="mubarakibnumar"]that you are joking.

Fawlcon_Pawnch

I just call it as I see it. Their is such a thing as catering to the lowest common denominator. Nintendo banks on the ignorance of casuals with games like Wiifit. Its like the difference between reading crap like The Devil Wears Prada or reading real literature like Kafka on the Shore. Seems to me the only people that would be offended by this are the same people who think Obama is an elitist snob.

You just keep on throwing these comments, they are quite entertaining.

Always hilarious to see the self-proclaimed "sophisticated gamers" peackoking themselves and undermining the "fool casual's" taste in games and habits. I also find it funny you said "elitist snob", it applies to your posts like a glove.

Sorry that you feel offended. I'll stop with the big words now.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

The games I've had my wife ask me for....well lets just say I was either ashamed to buy them or I outright refused to buy it. (Wiifit being one I refused to buy.)

Bread_or_Decide

I hope your joking. If your not, that makes you sound like a very poor husband.

Not when I explained to her that Wiifit is for the ignorant casual masses who don't know any better. I steer her toward the you know....actual good games.

I bought my wife Wiifit because she wanted it. I still have not played it because it is a Christmas gift so I can not give a good review on the game. I also have to say because of my love for DDR, I wanted to play the game also. PLus there is a number of games like Skate it and Rayman 3 which will be using the board.

A number of casual games like Mario Party and Mario Kart can be good games also. I have bought some like GH which I really did not careful. Just because a game appeals more to the casual gamers does not make it a bad game. Heck my wife and son play a crossword puzzle game on my PS2. They enjoy and I do not but I am not going to stop them from playing the game because I don't enjoy it or think it is shovelware.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Seriously, Nintendo has done more than MS and Sony. 3rd parties need to step up for the Wii.

subrosian

Yes, because third parties have some evil conspiracy to only publish their hardcore games on the PS3 and 360 :roll: How about asking the more honest question - what has Nintendo done for third parties? Nothing. They don't provide funding, they don't make concessions, they don't work with them, they don't provide the money to make core games. Nintendo doesn't go to third parties and say "we want to pay you to put games on our system for our core audience".

Microsoft, by year's end, will have published all of these retail games:

• Banjo: Nuts and Bolts
• Fable II
• Gears of War II
• Lost Odyssey
• Too Human
• Viva Pinata: TP
• Ninja gaiden 2
• Kingdom Under Fire: CoD
• Lips
• Scene It? Box Office Smash
• You're in the Movies!

In addition that that, they've funded and published thirteen XBLA games. The focus of their Fall lineup is GeoW 2 / Fable 2 for the core audience, and Lips, Scene It?, and You're In the Movies! They're putting out the same "new gamer" type games for that audience, but they're not sacrificing their longtime fans to do it. Microsoft technically also started the Infinite Undiscovery IP on the 360, though SE became publisher.

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And Sony? Really? Nothing? Guess you haven't heard of Little Big Planet - that's a whole lot of nothing, right? One of the most creative, unique, and interesting games of the year is nothing?

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It's Nintendo's fault the third parties aren't producing. They give them no incentive to - in fact - they intentionally push away third party titles that could detract from the sales of their own first party titles. They make themselves the primary provider of quality games on the Wii, they push away the third parties, they set the direction for the system with their conferences, and push away the core gamers onto other platforms.... and then you blame the *third parties* that the environment is not conducive to focusing their development efforts on the Wii?

Nintendo fills a moat with lava, and yet somehow they're innocent?

Nobody said anyone had a conspiracy going. Way to read that all wrong and twisting it around :roll: And you ask what Nintendo has done? Only provided them with the largest install base that rivals even the 360 in its software purchasing. If 3rd parties can't take advantage of that, what else is Nintendo supposed to do? Finance all their games? Ridiculous.

And I asked what MS developed games have they done. They have nothing to do with Lost Odyssey, Gears II, Ninja Gaiden 2, and Kingdom under Fire. So basically, the only games they've come out with since Halo 3 is Viva Pinata and Scene it? Wow, that's a steallar line up they got there ace. Why aren't you complaining about their line up?

So one AAA game from Sony all year long and you're happy? Wow, Nintendo released an AAA game early this year and a AA in mid year and you're all crying about it. Seriously, your hypocrisy is showing.

Yeah, if this was the Nintendo from the N64 era, then you'd have some argument. Why aren't they pushing 3rd parties away from the DS? Nintendo stands to make a whole bunch more and yet they invite 3rd parties to the DS. Your nonsense is just that, nonsense. 3rd parties need to start taking the Wii more seriously and develop for it. Nintendo isn't stopping them from developing on their console. They've become more 3rd party friendly and they need to take advantage of that.

As for core gamers, who's pushing them away? It's just all the little whiney ones who were complaining about E3 when Nintendo already explained that E3 wasn't about hardcore games. They could have done better, but they messed up. Then they make it up with their pre-TGS conference and they owned MS and Sony without even attending TGS. I se no props there and only more whining about E3. Yeah, all those so called "core" gamers just aren't that. Quit crying already. They already announced a new Zelda and Pikmin in the works. Who cares how long it takes to complete? It's like you gamers never waited a long time for a good game to come out. Even games like Gears 2, MGS4, and GTA IV took a while to release.

And no one is saying Nintendo is innocent, however, the way you paint them as complete villians is inaccurate either. 3rd parties are not innocent either. Look at Ubisoft. They have a successful core game that sold a million and yet they're concentrating on their Z games. Yeah, that's ALL Nintendo's fault according to you. At least there are some sensible 3rd party devs who are coming around and making good games for the Wii like Marvelous and Platinum Games.

Well hardcore Nintendo fans, this is your big Christmas game and the direction your favorite company is heading. I hope those fanboy tears are truly delicious. Vyyral

Isn't this the same direction MS and Sony are taking with their Lips, Scene it, Singstar, and Eyetoy lines? Uh oh, "hardcore" gamers am cry.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Seriously, Nintendo has done more than MS and Sony. 3rd parties need to step up for the Wii.

subrosian

Yes, because third parties have some evil conspiracy to only publish their hardcore games on the PS3 and 360 :roll: How about asking the more honest question - what has Nintendo done for third parties? Nothing. They don't provide funding, they don't make concessions, they don't work with them, they don't provide the money to make core games. Nintendo doesn't go to third parties and say "we want to pay you to put games on our system for our core audience".

Microsoft, by year's end, will have published all of these retail games:

• Banjo: Nuts and Bolts
• Fable II
• Gears of War II
• Lost Odyssey
• Too Human
• Viva Pinata: TP
• Ninja gaiden 2
• Kingdom Under Fire: CoD
• Lips
• Scene It? Box Office Smash
• You're in the Movies!

In addition that that, they've funded and published thirteen XBLA games. The focus of their Fall lineup is GeoW 2 / Fable 2 for the core audience, and Lips, Scene It?, and You're In the Movies! They're putting out the same "new gamer" type games for that audience, but they're not sacrificing their longtime fans to do it. Microsoft technically also started the Infinite Undiscovery IP on the 360, though SE became publisher.

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And Sony? Really? Nothing? Guess you haven't heard of Little Big Planet - that's a whole lot of nothing, right? One of the most creative, unique, and interesting games of the year is nothing?

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It's Nintendo's fault the third parties aren't producing. They give them no incentive to - in fact - they intentionally push away third party titles that could detract from the sales of their own first party titles. They make themselves the primary provider of quality games on the Wii, they push away the third parties, they set the direction for the system with their conferences, and push away the core gamers onto other platforms.... and then you blame the *third parties* that the environment is not conducive to focusing their development efforts on the Wii?

Nintendo fills a moat with lava, and yet somehow they're innocent?

Nobody said anyone had a conspiracy going. Zhengi

You said "third parties need to step it up". If third parties aren't performing the way we'd like on the Wii it is Nintendo's fault for not providing the funding and incentives to perform. Third parties on other systems are doing fine, coincidence? No. It is because they *strive* to get third party games on other systems.

And you ask what Nintendo has done? Only provided them with the largest install base that rivals even the 360 in its software purchasing.Zhengi

If that were true third parties would put every game on the Wii. It's not. EA sales research showed that the 360 was the number one platform for purchasing their software, followed by PC and PS3. The number one software sales platform in the world in volume is the PC. In terms of attach rates for *core* games, the 360 blows the Wii out of the water. If those genres sold as well as they do on the 360 / PS3, then the Wii would be the primary target plaform.

They have nothing to do with Lost Odyssey, Gears II, Ninja Gaiden 2, and Kingdom under Fire.Zhengi

Microsoft *paid* for and *pushed for* those games. Nothing to do with them? MS paid the bill for them. MS published them. MS created ad campaigns for them. MS has more to do with the existance of, and success of, these games than they did with Halo 3. Microsoft is *directly responsible* for the existence of Lost Odyssey. Anyone who knows even the *tiniest bit* about the game knows how hard MS worked on making that game possible

Microsoft spends hundreds of millions with Microsoft Games Studio's publishing efforsts alone. That doesn't even include the millions more they spend funding games and content they don't publish, like the upcoming Rockstar DLC, intial funding for Infinite Undiscovery, and deals to allow games to go multiplat to their system that wouldn't otherwise.

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You really don't seem to know what you're talking about with regard to Microsoft's publishing efforts. Microsoft paid for all of the games I listed, plus the 13 XBLA titles (games like Castle Crashers and the Banjo & Kazooie port) on top of spending millions more getting games they don't publish onto their platform. :|

So one AAA game from Sony all year long and you're happy? Wow, Nintendo released an AAA game early this year and a AA in mid year and you're all crying about it. Seriously, your hypocrisy is showing.Zhengi

No, I'm standing by my belief that review scores don't matter. If you know *anything* about me you'd be aware, I don't consider review scores or sales to be meaningful measures. Show me an argument for the Wii that doesn't involve review scores or sales, otherwise you've conceded that you don't have one.

Microsoft and Sony both have some of the best games of the generation on their platform this year. On the PS3 we've got Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4 as serious contenders for "game of the year". On the 360 we have Gears 2, Fable 2, Lost Odyssey, and a new Banjo title. On top of that they've fostered third party games that *won't* be on the Wii. You won't be seeing the highly anticipated Fallout 3, Resident Evil 5 (the real version), Left 4 Dead, Mirror's Edge (this year's Portal), etc... and that's just listing the "good games".

Yeah, if this was the Nintendo from the N64 era, then you'd have some argument. Why aren't they pushing 3rd parties away from the DS? Nintendo stands to make a whole bunch more and yet they invite 3rd parties to the DS. Your nonsense is just that, nonsense. 3rd parties need to start taking the Wii more seriously and develop for it. Nintendo isn't stopping them from developing on their console. They've become more 3rd party friendly and they need to take advantage of that. Zhengi

Nintendo treats their handheld and console markets differently, and the price tag and development costs for a handheld game are not nearly as high as for a console title. Nintendo sets the tone for the console - Sudo 51 has complained about the situation with publishing on the Wii, and he's one of the favored developers. As far as "friendly" goes - it's a situation of friendly hostility. Third parties aren't fanboys, they just want to make games. Were Nintendo enabling them to do so, you would have the games. Since you don't, they're not. End of story.

As for core gamers, who's pushing them away? It's just all the little whiney ones who were complaining about E3 when Nintendo already explained that E3 wasn't about hardcore games.Zhengi

When a gaming show that has been reduced in scope, and is mainly followed by gaming outlets and core gamers, is used to discuss a product that is intended for an audience that doesn't watch game shows, you have sent a clear message to core gamers - "you don't matter". It's not just E3, it has been *two years* where, at nearly every trade show, Nintendo gives the finger in terms of dedicating time / money to their longtime audience.

As far as your *insults* go, can you make a point without calling people names? Or do you feel it somehow improves your argument to call the majority (yes, majority) of dedicated gamers "whiners"? Gamers have every right to demand a product that meets their expectations. Dedicated, longtime gamers have every right to be upset at what Nintendo is doing. And it's costing Nintendo billions of dollars. They're profitable - but those sales going to PC, 360, and PS3 gaming combined are huge, absolutely huge - and that is the core audience consuming tailor made software. It's funny that Nintendo has written off even seriously trying in that market.

They already announced a new Zelda and Pikmin in the works. Who cares how long it takes to complete? It's like you gamers never waited a long time for a good game to come out.Zhengi

Two games don't cut it. I want new IPs and the focus of the system to be on core gamers. They're making Zelda and Pikmin as broad games, they're not releasing mature, adult-oriented titles for longtime gamers. You're not seeing a project like Eternal Darkness being the focus of their development efforts - at best things like Disaster are side-projects that are often delayed.

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And time is *everything* - my youngest brother spent two years on the preorder list for Twilight Princess - he was reduced to tears as Nintendo jerked him around so (as we now know) they could delay that game until the Wii. What an ass thing to do to a kid. What an ass thing to do to their fans. "We'll give you the games you expected when you bought the Wii... eventually". Not, as we see on every other system, "yeah, every Fall we're going to have an awesome game for that audience, and we want to have as many games as we can all year for you guys!". No it's, "here's our two core games, we call them core, they're not really, but they're your only choices, so shut the hell up and play them!"

If represents a freedom of choice that is beaten by your average prison.

And no one is saying Nintendo is innocent, however, the way you paint them as complete villians is inaccurate either. 3rd parties are not innocent either. Look at Ubisoft. They have a successful core game that sold a million and yet they're concentrating on their Z games. Yeah, that's ALL Nintendo's fault according to you. At least there are some sensible 3rd party devs who are coming around and making good games for the Wii like Marvelous and Platinum Games.

Zhengi

They have small budgets for third parties that can't afford to compete on the 360 / PS3, and they have big publishers shovling games like Madden and Red Steel in the hopes of cashing in on the Wii. That's not a positive thing. Ubisoft has done a terrible job, they've spent the majority of their effort putting games like Petz and Raving Rabbids on the system. They spent more money advertising Raving Rabbids than they did No More Heroes.

Those third parties don't even agree with you - Sudo 51 has complained numerous times about Nintendo and the Wii softare situation. You're praising Marvelous, and yet they *agree with me*.

Well hardcore Nintendo fans, this is your big Christmas game and the direction your favorite company is heading. I hope those fanboy tears are truly delicious. Vyyral

Big Christmas Game?! I'd say that Animal Crossing is the Christmas game if anything.

So, just because Nintendo isnt pumping out a main franchise this Christmas, means they are going casual on us? Lol, if you say that, you are a little messed up in the head. Im fine with Nintendo not realeasing a giant title. Wii Music is fine and so is Animal Crossing. They are not going anywhere except where they are at now. The big games will come. They just arent ready yet.

Besides, there are a lot of other games to play at Christmas then a giant Nintendo franchise game. I still have to get caught up on all the games I missed already like Wario Land, de Blob, Mario Kart (:o), and a bunch of others.

[QUOTE="Vyyral"]Well hardcore Nintendo fans, this is your big Christmas game and the direction your favorite company is heading. I hope those fanboy tears are truly delicious. Cheese-Muffins

Big Christmas Game?! I'd say that Animal Crossing is the Christmas game if anything.

So, just because Nintendo isnt pumping out a main franchise this Christmas, means they are going casual on us? Lol, if you say that, you are a little messed up in the head. Im fine with Nintendo not realeasing a giant title. Wii Music is fine and so is Animal Crossing. They are not going anywhere except where they are at now. The big games will come. They just arent ready yet.

Besides, there are a lot of other games to play at Christmas then a giant Nintendo franchise game. I still have to get caught up on all the games I missed already like Wario Land, de Blob, Mario Kart (:o), and a bunch of others.

Yeah but it'd be nice to see at least one or two big games for the holiday season.

Yeah but it'd be nice to see at least one or two big games for the holiday season.

Bread_or_Decide

Potatomoto doesn't care about you. Reality - his system is going to sell out this holiday season *no matter what*. So, why not just release software that will be a guaranteed sell with families this holiday season? Wii Music and Animal Crossing - go!

And all the little core gamers on Christmas morning? Screw 'em! Hopefully they have another system, if not, ah well! It's not their problem. Can't they see that counting their money has become seriously time consuming?

[QUOTE="Vyyral"]Well hardcore Nintendo fans, this is your big Christmas game and the direction your favorite company is heading. I hope those fanboy tears are truly delicious. Zhengi

Isn't this the same direction MS and Sony are taking with their Lips, Scene it, Singstar, and Eyetoy lines? Uh oh, "hardcore" gamers am cry.

You're right, it's all three to an extent. Still, Nintendo is the worst of the three in this regard.

Also, I hold a true classic Nintendo game in MUCH higher regard than MS and Sony first party, so I miss them the most.

[QUOTE="Vyyral"]Well hardcore Nintendo fans, this is your big Christmas game and the direction your favorite company is heading. I hope those fanboy tears are truly delicious. Cheese-Muffins

Big Christmas Game?! I'd say that Animal Crossing is the Christmas game if anything.

So, just because Nintendo isnt pumping out a main franchise this Christmas, means they are going casual on us? Lol, if you say that, you are a little messed up in the head. Im fine with Nintendo not realeasing a giant title. Wii Music is fine and so is Animal Crossing. They are not going anywhere except where they are at now. The big games will come. They just arent ready yet.

Besides, there are a lot of other games to play at Christmas then a giant Nintendo franchise game. I still have to get caught up on all the games I missed already like Wario Land, de Blob, Mario Kart (:o), and a bunch of others.

I appreciate your concern, but I'm not messed up in the head. I think it's reasonable after supporting Nintendo for 20 years that they have something on the horizon that interests me.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Yeah but it'd be nice to see at least one or two big games for the holiday season.

subrosian

Potatomoto doesn't care about you. Reality - his system is going to sell out this holiday season *no matter what*. So, why not just release software that will be a guaranteed sell with families this holiday season? Wii Music and Animal Crossing - go!

And all the little core gamers on Christmas morning? Screw 'em! Hopefully they have another system, if not, ah well! It's not their problem. Can't they see that counting their money has become seriously time consuming?

The Wii is going to get an awful back lash in the next gen.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Krigon"]Meh that reviewer is "the casual games" reviewer. No wonder it got -A.TheGrat1

um... thats how it works. did you want her to review Gears 2 instead?

Any gamer, with any credible level of critiqueing (sp?) ability should be able to review any game. From wii fit, to NBA 09, to Halo.

have you read some of the MGS4 or SSBB reviews? the reviewers claimed they were fans of the series. doesnt that sound biased or that the integrity of the review would be compromised? now, doesnt that remind you of this situation?

its ok for this to happen to games that appeal to you, but not to games that dont appeal to you? interesting...

I don't get why this is ever Wii Music is ever discussed, it could well be a great casual game and get AA-AAA across the board and still most will discredit and claim review sites have sold out...... if you like this sort of thing then well its up to u.... but many will never touch it, discredit it and never give it a chance it may deserve,

but hey this is System Wars not reality eh

1up gave "We Ski" an A. The exact same score as last year's GOTY finalists "Super Mario Galaxy" and "Call of Duty 4".

This goes to show that their review scores are completely inconsistent and unreliable.

1up gave "We Ski" an A. The exact same score as last year's GOTY finalists "Super Mario Galaxy" and "Call of Duty 4".

This goes to show that their review scores are completely inconsistent and unreliable.

canadianloonie

WE KNOW it means nothing but still... so far Wii music has an average of 9.0!!!!!!! that's just mad.

1up gave "We Ski" an A. The exact same score as last year's GOTY finalists "Super Mario Galaxy" and "Call of Duty 4".

This goes to show that their review scores are completely inconsistent and unreliable.

canadianloonie

Correct me if I am wrong the way they review is normally on what time of game/genre/appeal e.g Boom Blox got A+ the same as GTA4, but they said in the review it was an excellent casual game and great fun not to be compared with the GTA review

1up gave "We Ski" an A. The exact same score as last year's GOTY finalists "Super Mario Galaxy" and "Call of Duty 4".

This goes to show that their review scores are completely inconsistent and unreliable.

canadianloonie

they consider the target audience and genre when giving a game a score.

do you expect Barbie the videogame to be reviewed with the same criteria as Gears 2?

1up gave "We Ski" an A. The exact same score as last year's GOTY finalists "Super Mario Galaxy" and "Call of Duty 4".

This goes to show that their review scores are completely inconsistent and unreliable.

canadianloonie

Yes, they did.

And they aren't really, when it comes to these kind of cheap Wii "non-game" games, they consistently give them high ratings.

They gave (actually it was Jenn Tsao, the same person that reviewed this game) Wii Fit a B+.

The thing is 1up is reviewing these games differently than most other site's are reviewing them. Other sites review these games for the traditional (ie, Core) gamer. 1up reviews these games for the demographic these games are targeting (which I suppose makes sense,) Nintendo's newfound demographic of non-gamers. People who would never want to play a traditional game and prefer simple games that you can pick up and play right away for 10 minutes at a time and are quick little diversions from everyday life, games that are more like neat little techno toys than traditional video games. For these people, they'd play something like We Skii and say "Oh neat, I move and it moves! I can do this, this is fun." The traditional gaming crowd has a completely different approach, when they sit down to play a video game they actually want to play a videogame as they know it, so the experience of playing these types of things is impossible to reconcile.

For this new demographic, stuff like Wii Music is exactly what they're looking for.

For us, the people that have been playing games for a few decades, it's not so much a video game as it is a joke. Even in the 1up review Tsao sums up the experience by saying "It's fun being in on the joke."

The problem with the 1up approach is, the demographic they're reviewing for would not be reading a video game review site that deals mainly with reviewing traditional video games, which all of these sites do.

[QUOTE="canadianloonie"]

1up gave "We Ski" an A. The exact same score as last year's GOTY finalists "Super Mario Galaxy" and "Call of Duty 4".

This goes to show that their review scores are completely inconsistent and unreliable.

ogvampire

they consider the target audience and genre when giving a game a score.

do you expect Barbie the videogame to be reviewed with the same criteria as Gears 2?

Ok, let's compare games in a similar genre and target audience then...

"We Ski" got a better score than "Wii Sports" or "Wii Fit". How is that possible?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="canadianloonie"]

1up gave "We Ski" an A. The exact same score as last year's GOTY finalists "Super Mario Galaxy" and "Call of Duty 4".

This goes to show that their review scores are completely inconsistent and unreliable.

canadianloonie

they consider the target audience and genre when giving a game a score.

do you expect Barbie the videogame to be reviewed with the same criteria as Gears 2?

Ok, let's compare games in a similar genre and target audience then...

"We Ski" got a better score than "Wii Sports" or "Wii Fit". How is that possible?

how is it possible that GTA4 got a better score than GTA:SA and GTA:VC?

[QUOTE="Zhengi"] Nobody said anyone had a conspiracy going. subrosian

You said "third parties need to step it up". If third parties aren't performing the way we'd like on the Wii it is Nintendo's fault for not providing the funding and incentives to perform. Third parties on other systems are doing fine, coincidence? No. It is because they *strive* to get third party games on other systems.

I said 3rd parties need to step it up, but that doesn't suggest a conspiracy like you were trying to make it seem. And third parties are doing okay on the other systems, but devs like EA have reported 6 consecutive quarters of losses in profits and they've primarily released games for the HD consoles. Really, so they're doing very well according to you? At least look at the facts first. EA has said they need to do more for the Wii and 3rd party devs are starting to realize they need to.

And thanks for conveniently ignoring everything else I posted about Nintendo doing what they needed to do to lure 3rd party devs. Thankfully, the shift is happening and you continue to ignore the games that were announced at TGS for the Wii.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"] And you ask what Nintendo has done? Only provided them with the largest install base that rivals even the 360 in its software purchasing.subrosian

If that were true third parties would put every game on the Wii. It's not. EA sales research showed that the 360 was the number one platform for purchasing their software, followed by PC and PS3. The number one software sales platform in the world in volume is the PC. In terms of attach rates for *core* games, the 360 blows the Wii out of the water. If those genres sold as well as they do on the 360 / PS3, then the Wii would be the primary target plaform.

The shift is already happening, except you're too busy whining to notice it. Look at TGS. I ask you again, since EA was heavily invested in the 360, then why did they still record 6 consecutive quarters of losses? Yeah, I'm sure EA is happy selling all that software and losing all that profits. And you're really using attach rate? Really? Oh man, you know nothing about software sales if you're going to stoop that low and use attach rate. That is an MS PR talking point. It has very little relevance especially as the gen continues to mature. Do you really think a 7 game attach ratio on a 30 million install base really compares to a 4 game attach ratio on a 100 million install base?

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]They have nothing to do with Lost Odyssey, Gears II, Ninja Gaiden 2, and Kingdom under Fire.subrosian

Microsoft *paid* for and *pushed for* those games. Nothing to do with them? MS paid the bill for them. MS published them. MS created ad campaigns for them. MS has more to do with the existance of, and success of, these games than they did with Halo 3. Microsoft is *directly responsible* for the existence of Lost Odyssey. Anyone who knows even the *tiniest bit* about the game knows how hard MS worked on making that game possible

Microsoft spends hundreds of millions with Microsoft Games Studio's publishing efforsts alone. That doesn't even include the millions more they spend funding games and content they don't publish, like the upcoming Rockstar DLC, intial funding for Infinite Undiscovery, and deals to allow games to go multiplat to their system that wouldn't otherwise.

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You really don't seem to know what you're talking about with regard to Microsoft's publishing efforts. Microsoft paid for all of the games I listed, plus the 13 XBLA titles (games like Castle Crashers and the Banjo & Kazooie port) on top of spending millions more getting games they don't publish onto their platform. :|

I asked you which MS developed games did they make. At least read what the question properly when I ask it. I didn't ask for MS funded games as those are not even 1st party games. Sheesh, at least read first before going all self righteous like you're always right.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"] So one AAA game from Sony all year long and you're happy? Wow, Nintendo released an AAA game early this year and a AA in mid year and you're all crying about it. Seriously, your hypocrisy is showing.subrosian

No, I'm standing by my belief that review scores don't matter. If you know *anything* about me you'd be aware, I don't consider review scores or sales to be meaningful measures. Show me an argument for the Wii that doesn't involve review scores or sales, otherwise you've conceded that you don't have one.

Microsoft and Sony both have some of the best games of the generation on their platform this year. On the PS3 we've got Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4 as serious contenders for "game of the year". On the 360 we have Gears 2, Fable 2, Lost Odyssey, and a new Banjo title. On top of that they've fostered third party games that *won't* be on the Wii. You won't be seeing the highly anticipated Fallout 3, Resident Evil 5 (the real version), Left 4 Dead, Mirror's Edge (this year's Portal), etc... and that's just listing the "good games".

So basically what you're basing off your Wii Music hate is your ignorance? You haven't played it and you won't consider reviews, and yet you are adamantly complaining about it? Wow, this picture is so you:

I'm not here to defend Wii Music. I just have problems with your attitude... like you're some elite gamer. You're just showing a lot of hypocrisy when you're not even putting the same type of standards on MS and Sony. Those two have done little for their line up. Yes, they have great 3rd party devs, but they, themselves, have not done much. I'm not okay with the bashing in this case cause I'm using your same standards and applying it to MS and Sony and I don't see how those two can get a free pass.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"] Yeah, if this was the Nintendo from the N64 era, then you'd have some argument. Why aren't they pushing 3rd parties away from the DS? Nintendo stands to make a whole bunch more and yet they invite 3rd parties to the DS. Your nonsense is just that, nonsense. 3rd parties need to start taking the Wii more seriously and develop for it. Nintendo isn't stopping them from developing on their console. They've become more 3rd party friendly and they need to take advantage of that. subrosian

Nintendo treats their handheld and console markets differently, and the price tag and development costs for a handheld game are not nearly as high as for a console title. Nintendo sets the tone for the console - Sudo 51 has complained about the situation with publishing on the Wii, and he's one of the favored developers. As far as "friendly" goes - it's a situation of friendly hostility. Third parties aren't fanboys, they just want to make games. Were Nintendo enabling them to do so, you would have the games. Since you don't, they're not. End of story.

Wow, now you're just talking more nonsense. The development costs of a Wii title are one third of those of a 360 and PS3 game, maybe even less. Like that's not an incentive to make games for it. :lol: Also, console games are priced higher than handheld games. Handheld games are usually $20-$25 dollars, and Wii games are $50. Yeah, the Wii is not conducive to 3rd party devs and the DS when Nintendo is USING THE EXACT SAME procedures as both except for a few regarding their Miis and Wii trademarks.

I find it funny you're bringing Suda 51 into your argument especially considering that he just had his best selling game ever on the Wii with No More Heroes. Yeah, that includes all the games he released on the PS2 which has an install base of 120 million users. Chew on that for a while.

And again you mention nothing about TGS. Oh man, I guess you just want to keep believing that 3rd parties aren't making games for the Wii. The tides are turning and there are more 3rd party games coming. They just fail miserably this year cause they didn't have much prepared.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"] As for core gamers, who's pushing them away? It's just all the little whiney ones who were complaining about E3 when Nintendo already explained that E3 wasn't about hardcore games.subrosian

When a gaming show that has been reduced in scope, and is mainly followed by gaming outlets and core gamers, is used to discuss a product that is intended for an audience that doesn't watch game shows, you have sent a clear message to core gamers - "you don't matter". It's not just E3, it has been *two years* where, at nearly every trade show, Nintendo gives the finger in terms of dedicating time / money to their longtime audience.

As far as your *insults* go, can you make a point without calling people names? Or do you feel it somehow improves your argument to call the majority (yes, majority) of dedicated gamers "whiners"? Gamers have every right to demand a product that meets their expectations. Dedicated, longtime gamers have every right to be upset at what Nintendo is doing. And it's costing Nintendo billions of dollars. They're profitable - but those sales going to PC, 360, and PS3 gaming combined are huge, absolutely huge - and that is the core audience consuming tailor made software. It's funny that Nintendo has written off even seriously trying in that market.

Yeah, and what message did MS and Sony send? Their E3 sucked as well. E3 is no longer the same gaming convention it used to be. It's just people trying to hold onto what little they have left of what used to be an awesome gaming convention.

Also, I find it funny that you say that Nintendo gave the finger to its core group when it has released more core games for their audience than either MS and Sony from a 1st party perspective. Yeah, that's giving them the finger.

And it's not really an insult if the boot fits the foot. Gamers definitely have the right to do that, but then they turn around and not demand the same of other first party devs and that's when hypocrisy shows up. I find it funny that you even try to go to profits as part of your arguments. Nintendo is the most profitable game company in the world right now. They're even more profitable than MS and Sony. This is just another example of you not know what you're talking about when you try to go the sales/profit route.

I also find it funny how you have to combine the PC/360/PS3 to even have a semblance of an argument. Oh yeah, those are big alright, but then you add PC/Wii together and they're going to overshadow the PC/360/PS3 soon. And once more before you continue with your bad arguments. Nintendo is abandoning nobody. They're working on Zelda, Pikmin, Mario, and other core franchise games. How long are you going to continue to ignore this? This is why people accuse you of whining. Nintendo said they were making those games you love and yet you continue to complain. Seriously, why are you complaining?

[QUOTE="Zhengi"] They already announced a new Zelda and Pikmin in the works. Who cares how long it takes to complete? It's like you gamers never waited a long time for a good game to come out.subrosian

Two games don't cut it. I want new IPs and the focus of the system to be on core gamers. They're making Zelda and Pikmin as broad games, they're not releasing mature, adult-oriented titles for longtime gamers. You're not seeing a project like Eternal Darkness being the focus of their development efforts - at best things like Disaster are side-projects that are often delayed.

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And time is *everything* - my youngest brother spent two years on the preorder list for Twilight Princess - he was reduced to tears as Nintendo jerked him around so (as we now know) they could delay that game until the Wii. What an ass thing to do to a kid. What an ass thing to do to their fans. "We'll give you the games you expected when you bought the Wii... eventually". Not, as we see on every other system, "yeah, every Fall we're going to have an awesome game for that audience, and we want to have as many games as we can all year for you guys!". No it's, "here's our two core games, we call them core, they're not really, but they're your only choices, so shut the hell up and play them!"

If represents a freedom of choice that is beaten by your average prison.

This just continues to prove that you know nothing. Did you miss out Nintendo's list of games they showed before TGS? Here's the list you convienently keep forgetting exists:

- Let's Tap (Sega)
- Karaoke Joysound (Hudson)
- Klonoa (Namco)
- Taiko no Tatsujin Wii (Namco)
- "Start with 100 Words!"
- Punch-Out! (Nintendo)
- Another Code (Nintendo)
- "Kensakusu"
- "Cosmic Walker"
- "Spawn Smasher"
- "Dynamic Combat"
- "Wand of Magic"
- Sin and Punishment 2 (Treasure)
- "Forever Blue 2: Beautiful Ocean" (sequel of Endless Ocean)
- "Line Attack Heroes"
- Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time (Square)
- "Samurai Warriors 3″
- New 'Tales of' game.

It's unedited cause I don't feel like looking up which ones are only Nintendo's :)

And yeah, the only core games are mature-themed games :roll: Nintendo isn't about that. 3rd parties need to get to it on this matter cause they will have virtually no competition at all from Nintendo in that sector... but then, Nintendo is also bringing games like Fatal Frame 4 from Tecmo, but that's not a Nintendo developed game. As for delays, those are to improve the quality of their games. It's always been a staple of Nintendo games and now you're complaining about them? How long of a long time fan are you?

And wow, you quickly went from whining to victim status in a hurry. :lol: Seriously, if Nintendo causes you so much pain, just sell the Wii and you'll never have to deal with them again.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]And no one is saying Nintendo is innocent, however, the way you paint them as complete villians is inaccurate either. 3rd parties are not innocent either. Look at Ubisoft. They have a successful core game that sold a million and yet they're concentrating on their Z games. Yeah, that's ALL Nintendo's fault according to you. At least there are some sensible 3rd party devs who are coming around and making good games for the Wii like Marvelous and Platinum Games.

subrosian

They have small budgets for third parties that can't afford to compete on the 360 / PS3, and they have big publishers shovling games like Madden and Red Steel in the hopes of cashing in on the Wii. That's not a positive thing. Ubisoft has done a terrible job, they've spent the majority of their effort putting games like Petz and Raving Rabbids on the system. They spent more money advertising Raving Rabbids than they did No More Heroes.

Those third parties don't even agree with you - Sudo 51 has complained numerous times about Nintendo and the Wii softare situation. You're praising Marvelous, and yet they *agree with me*.

Exactly, and who's fault is that? It's 3rd party's fault. They need to release core games and it's starting to happen more and more.

And how are Marvelous agreeing with you? By releasing 90% of their games on the Wii instead of the other two? What kind of backwards agreement is that? And it's Suda 51, not Sudo 51. And he complained before his game, No More Heroes, had become the best selling game he has ever had. Yeah, Suda 51 is so upset that he only announced No More Heroes 2 at TGS. Yeah, he's definitely complaining about the Wii and its software by releasing a sequel to his best selling game ever. Once more, did you even follow TGS or do you just like complaining and whining?

I've read this forum for quite a while, and that is a longest post I've ever seen posted here.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Yeah but it'd be nice to see at least one or two big games for the holiday season.

subrosian

Potatomoto doesn't care about you. Reality - his system is going to sell out this holiday season *no matter what*. So, why not just release software that will be a guaranteed sell with families this holiday season? Wii Music and Animal Crossing - go!

And all the little core gamers on Christmas morning? Screw 'em! Hopefully they have another system, if not, ah well! It's not their problem. Can't they see that counting their money has become seriously time consuming?

Did you just call Shigsy a potato? Wtf?

I've read this forum for quite a while, and that is a longest post I've ever seen posted here.

RuprechtMonkey

lol. same here...

I've read this forum for quite a while, and that is a longest post I've ever seen posted here.

RuprechtMonkey

lol zhengis?

Edit: removed link -Teuf

Teufelhuhn

Wow that's.... depressing...

I see where he's coming from but Nintendo aren't that bad...

[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

I've read this forum for quite a while, and that is a longest post I've ever seen posted here.

ogvampire

lol. same here...

lol... I didn't mean to go that long with my post, but that's what happens when it gets subdivided like that. I cut off the original post or else it would have been a bit longer :)

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

I've read this forum for quite a while, and that is a longest post I've ever seen posted here.

Zhengi

lol. same here...

lol... I didn't mean to go that long with my post, but that's what happens when it gets subdivided like that. I cut off the original post or else it would have been a bit longer :)

hehe. that would have been a record :P

Teufelhuhn, you may want to remove the link or provide a warning as the Star Wars-themed ads near the comic are sexually-suggestive and homoerotic.yowvapa-noi