2 reasons why 360 Bioshock > PC Bioshock

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="real_madrid_99"][QUOTE="mikasa"]:twisted:

I got Meu2k7 AND vandal in one thread! the ownage is strong in this thread.
I'm just waiting for vandal to say something as silly as Meu2k7 did that can make it to my sig.

mikasa

That's their weakness. They don't ever want to give up one point to the console. And by not acknowledging the weaknesses of the PC they make themselves look foolish and devalue their other points.

dude - you never have any good points. PC Bioshock is better than 360, there's no question about it.. you've yet to prove anything. all you did was claimed ownage (so immature) againt some people because they didn't reply to your weak thread to tell you were to play a game in some cafe.. kudos, fantastic work you're doing here. maybe they left the thread because it's pointless arguing with someone who just constantly tries to start irrational flame wars.

all of your reasons why it's better have been shot down by me and others, but for some reason you never really reply to our logic, you just pass it over until you see something you can claim 'ownage' on, lol.

honestly, do you think you still havea case for the game being better on 360? what about DX10 on PC? what about the higher resolutions on PC, being able to play at 1080p and above NATIVE not scaled. what about mods? ( i don't care if they're not out - the potential is the plus side, 360 has zero potential for mods and there is already a PC mod that fixes the ws issue). how about being able to choose between a 360 pad and the mouse / keyboard on PC? how about being able to scale various different settings to improve game assets or performance?

i'm sorry man, your argument is just WAY too weak.

The fact you can't admit that for some people renting this game is better for them is ignorant at best on your part. Or that not needing to install some sony DRM on your PC is a bad thing. Face it. DRM is not user/consumer friendly. ANd if you have a choice to buy the PC version with or without DRM...you'd buy the non-DRM version.

Also if you could rent the PC version many people would do just that. So those two reasons make bioshock better on the 360 (for those that care about that). And for those that care about graphcis AND have the machine to handle it...the PC is better.

Face it, there are pros and cons to both. Here's another. I like gaming with a controller on my 110" Screen. Oh, and I don't use a wired controller that's pretty lame when you can have a wired wone and sit 20 feet away from my receiver.

man, this is like shooting fish in a barrel. this is gonna be fun :)

1) there is no Sony DRM for Bioshock - the rootkit story was bunk and it was retracted. read for comprehension (i'll use your phrases seeing you always steal mine :)) linky. There is a DRM policy based on SF protection - but this is almost identical to what you have to sign off to when downloading titles on the PSN. it's not uncommon at all and it is the future of digital distribution, get used to it. the only people that really whined about it were pirates - and people that got screwed by the faulty activation server for a few hours one night.

2) if you didn't figure this out already I'm anti-piracy, I support DRM. it gives more money back to the people that provide endless hours of entertainment and dedicate years of their lives in an attempt to entertain you - the consumer.

3) i'm against renting and purchasing 2nd hand games, it's as morally devoid as pirating a game - none of the money from rentals or 2nd hand purchases go back to the developer. if you can call yourself a gamer and rent and but 2nd hand ALL the time - then you are just as much of a crook as the guy who sells pirated games on the street in your local area (if you have one - if you don't i'm sure you get the picture). just because people rent movies it doesn't make renting games OK. and i'm not going to provide you with links when all you have to do is use google to get proof of the industry attempting to stop this -- AND IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT 2K DRM HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS THENYOU ARE NOT SEEING THE BIG PICTURE.

4) who cares how big your TV is, i have a 37 inch because I happen to know something about HD playback and how larger screens aren't friendly to HD. FYI 42 inches is the sweet spot for 1080p at ideal viewing distance, anything over that just enhances flaws like poor AA / no FSAA or FSAF. go visit avforums if you don't believe me. have fun with your 75,000 dollar novelty - if you do indeed have one, which I'm nearly positive you don't :D

5) the Microsoft USB device is a wireless HUB letting me play any PC game with a wireless controller.

anything else you want to try to pwn me with? i've got all day.

no just no, weak post pc version is superior to YOU no to ME, as i can get a better experience with the xbox 360 i could get only 20fos on low on the Pc version, i prefer the xbox 360 controler.......also there aren't any mods just a bug fix in thePC version, also the bigest argument is that i can rent the game and beat it while you have to pay full price. i'm sorry man, your argument is just WAY too weak.real_madrid_99

nice try champ. enjoy being morally devoid while renting games and feeling cool because you don't have to pay full price - because, y'know, borderline theft and not giving back to the industry you love is a much stronger argument.

good work.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="jt8b2z"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="jt8b2z"]20 games a year over the course of 5 years ( a consoles life)

300x5= £1500.

£1500 + £300 = £1800

enough to buy two high end gaming pc's in that 5 years.

Besides the fact i need a powerful cpu and ram for my degree course ( music, large music samples e.t.c.)

So really for my needs i need only factor in the graphics card.

Pc gaming is not only better but cheaper, for me at least.

jt8b2z

Who buys 20 console games/year? Unless you're a full time gamer and have no life/job. Plus are there even 20 good games worth buying each year? Renting is where it is at for the smart consumer. Only buy the ones that you will play time and time again.

But apparantly you find time tofinish a 20 hour game in a few days. Alot people only get the chance to play a game an hour, if that a day. :|

Who said I complete a 20 hour game in a few days? A weekend I can get 10 to 12 hours in if a game is great and I plan it. But I often take about 1 month to get a 20 hours in.

so how many times will you have to rent bioshock then :|

It depends on how he is renting the game. For example, with gamefly's $15 plan, I can rent and complete 3 games. $5 - $6 a piece for 30 days isn't bad. However, it usually just takes 1 week to complete 1 game (excluding rpgs like Oblivion which I purchased).

[QUOTE="real_madrid_99"]

no just no, weak post pc version is superior to YOU no to ME, as i can get a better experience with the xbox 360 i could get only 20fos on low on the Pc version, i prefer the xbox 360 controler.......also there aren't any mods just a bug fix in thePC version, also the bigest argument is that i can rent the game and beat it while you have to pay full price. i'm sorry man, your argument is just WAY too weak.3picuri3

nice try champ. enjoy being morally devoid while renting games and feeling cool because you don't have to pay full price - because, y'know, borderline theft and not giving back to the industry you love is a much stronger argument.

good work.

Wait, so renting is borderline theft??? Funny......... I wonder why movie industry allows that then. One more point, the devs do receive money from rentals and its perfectly legal and perhaps even encouraged to those who cannot afford to pay $60 for each game (among the 100s released every year).

Now buying used games......... thats where the devs get nothing. Perhaps you should take your crusade to EBgames or ebay.

VandalVideo, Any luck remembering what Internet Cafe you went to that gave you about $10/month unlimited play on Bioshock for the PC? Or even the general location of that internet Cafe? If you can't remember the street with city; how about just the city? If you can't remember the city, how about the area of the state along with area code?

Also how did you find this place each time you went to it? If you can't remember teh name or location, how on earth did you ever find it again to get your unlimited monthly play for $10?

mikasa

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="real_madrid_99"]

no just no, weak post pc version is superior to YOU no to ME, as i can get a better experience with the xbox 360 i could get only 20fos on low on the Pc version, i prefer the xbox 360 controler.......also there aren't any mods just a bug fix in thePC version, also the bigest argument is that i can rent the game and beat it while you have to pay full price. i'm sorry man, your argument is just WAY too weak.RaveRabbid

nice try champ. enjoy being morally devoid while renting games and feeling cool because you don't have to pay full price - because, y'know, borderline theft and not giving back to the industry you love is a much stronger argument.

good work.

Wait, so renting is borderline theft??? Funny......... I wonder why movie industry allows that then. One more point, the devs do receive money from rentals and its perfectly legal and perhaps even encouraged to those who cannot afford to pay $60 for each game (among the 100s released every year).

Now buying used games......... thats where the devs get nothing. Perhaps you should take your crusade to EBgames or ebay.

ugh - another person that can't read a thread before posting. yay. i'll do it in point form this time.

- movies are different, they have a marketing window where people pay premium to see it on the big screen, when that is over there is another period (moratorium) where the title isn't on screen or on dvd - when the initial marketing stages are over the studios try to get more out of their product by renting it out. THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH GAMES.

- the video game industry has been lobbying for well over 10 years to eliminate 2nd hand game purchases and rentals. if you don't believe me just use google. or consider why Bioshock PC uses DRM, and why Sony's PSN uses DRM, or why Sony filed a patent for discs that only work on one console, etc, etc, etc. the list goes on.

- JUST BECAUSE MOVIES ARE RENTED DOESN'T MAKE RENTING GAMES RIGHT, if you think it does then your logic is faulty. Just because X is right it doesn't make Y right. video game rentals are in a gray area in terms of legislation - something the industry is well aware of and constantly fights against to no avail (this is why they now use DRM instead - might as well stem the flow at the root instead of relying on corrupt government officials).

- last but not least, just use your head to think about it. most decent video games can earn 1000%+ on top of purchase price for rental copies. where does the money go to? the people that make the games you love? no, the rental companies. 2nd hand titles you buy, where does the money go? to EB / BB, etc.

- final point, IF YOU LOVE GAMING AND LOVE GAMES BUY THEM! too many companies that make great games have gone under because of this vicious cycle. this is why companies like EA, MS, UBI can just buy independent studios with impunity. it's not good for gaming -- but it makes money so it will likely never end until all studios force DRM on their consumers. to be honest i'm on the side of the industry, if people want to be greedy and selfish they deserve the hassle of DRM.

/rant.

man, this is like shooting fish in a barrel. this is gonna be fun :)

1) there is no Sony DRM for Bioshock - the rootkit story was bunk and it was retracted. read for comprehension (i'll use your phrases seeing you always steal mine :)) linky. There is a DRM policy based on SF protection - but this is almost identical to what you have to sign off to when downloading titles on the PSN. it's not uncommon at all and it is the future of digital distribution, get used to it. the only people that really whined about it were pirates - and people that got screwed by the faulty activation server for a few hours one night.

2) if you didn't figure this out already I'm anti-piracy, I support DRM. it gives more money back to the people that provide endless hours of entertainment and dedicate years of their lives in an attempt to entertain you - the consumer.

3) i'm against renting and purchasing 2nd hand games, it's as morally devoid as pirating a game - none of the money from rentals or 2nd hand purchases go back to the developer. if you can call yourself a gamer and rent and but 2nd hand ALL the time - then you are just as much of a crook as the guy who sells pirated games on the street in your local area (if you have one - if you don't i'm sure you get the picture). just because people rent movies it doesn't make renting games OK. and i'm not going to provide you with links when all you have to do is use google to get proof of the industry attempting to stop this -- AND IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT 2K DRM HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS THENYOU ARE NOT SEEING THE BIG PICTURE.

4) who cares how big your TV is, i have a 37 inch because I happen to know something about HD playback and how larger screens aren't friendly to HD. FYI 42 inches is the sweet spot for 1080p at ideal viewing distance, anything over that just enhances flaws like poor AA / no FSAA or FSAF. go visit avforums if you don't believe me. have fun with your 75,000 dollar novelty - if you do indeed have one, which I'm nearly positive you don't :D

5) the Microsoft USB device is a wireless HUB letting me play any PC game with a wireless controller.

anything else you want to try to pwn me with? i've got all day.

3picuri3

You need to get the sites on your gun fixed as you completely missed. YES Bioshock does have SONY DRM (I didn't not say root kit). It uses SecureROM, which is owned by Sony. And it is DRM and requires activation. did you even read the link? I guess not. You may want to read it before you go shooting at fish again because you keep missing.

Man another quote, but it won't fit in my sig:

"i'm against renting and purchasing 2nd hand games, it's as morally devoid as pirating a game "

This is tough...which one to use.

Who as a $75K novelty TV? I never even mentioned my 57" TV.

And where can I get teh device to hook my 360 wireless controller up to my PC? I'm serious, I may buy it if it's reasonable and works well.

You need to get the sites on your gun fixed as you completely missed. YES Bioshock does have SONY DRM (I didn't not say root kit). It uses SecureROM, which is owned by Sony. And it is DRM and requires activation. did you even read the link? I guess not. You may want to read it before you go shooting at fish again because you keep missing.

Man another quote, but it won't fit in my sig:

"i'm against renting and purchasing 2nd hand games, it's as morally devoid as pirating a game "

This is tough...which one to use.

Who as a $75K novelty TV? I never even mentioned my 57" TV.

And where can I get teh device to hook my 360 wireless controller up to my PC? I'm serious, I may buy it if it's reasonable and works well.

mikasa

well whatever, i don't really care what you own as it doesn't change anything - i don't know if you bought them or stole them or even own them. i didn't know sony was in charge of securrom, but it's not crazy for me to think you were referring to the Sony rootkit story re: Bioshock.

please add that to your sig, i'd like to have it spread around - would be nice to have more people in SW standing on higher moral ground protecting the industry we all are obviously obsessed with.

here's a link to the wireless PC hub, you can get itmost places games are sold MS 360 PC wireless USB hubit's only 19.95 and every single 360 game that's come to PC supports it like a dream. you don't have to set anything up, just plug and play.

saying that companies went under because of rentals is crazy. Also, assuming that everyone will rent the game and hence the game won't make money is also crazy. Keep your insane theories to yourself. They do no good here. If you like to spend $50 per game for 25 games a year, be my guest. My stance is simple and helps the entire industry.

If I can only purchase 5 games a year, what do I do after that. I can't purchase anymore but what if I rent 20 games after purchasing the 5?? All of sudden, the companies that weren't going to receive any money from me are receiving some money.

Some money is better than no money. Hence taking rentals in a negative light is unfair. RENTALS ALSO HELP THE INDUSTRY. The only person upset is you (and I bet I know why too).

RaveRabbid

well dismissing arguments as crazy without substantiating your argument is... fail? oh, thanks for flaming me by calling me insane too, that was quite nice of you, very thoughtful. there are other people on a higher moral ground with better understanding of the industry than you that support what I have to say so I really couldn't care less if you agree. this is one high horse you can't knock me off of :)

so you bet you know why -- do you want to inform me? or is that just a veiled threat? and if you think any of the money from rentals trickles down to the developers you really have no understanding of how the industry works as a whole.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

You need to get the sites on your gun fixed as you completely missed. YES Bioshock does have SONY DRM (I didn't not say root kit). It uses SecureROM, which is owned by Sony. And it is DRM and requires activation. did you even read the link? I guess not. You may want to read it before you go shooting at fish again because you keep missing.

Man another quote, but it won't fit in my sig:

"i'm against renting and purchasing 2nd hand games, it's as morally devoid as pirating a game "

This is tough...which one to use.

Who as a $75K novelty TV? I never even mentioned my 57" TV.

And where can I get teh device to hook my 360 wireless controller up to my PC? I'm serious, I may buy it if it's reasonable and works well.

3picuri3

well whatever, i don't really care what you own as it doesn't change anything - i don't know if you bought them or stole them or even own them. i didn't know sony was in charge of securrom, but it's not crazy for me to think you were referring to the Sony rootkit story re: Bioshock.

please add that to your sig, i'd like to have it spread around - would be nice to have more people in SW standing on higher moral ground protecting the industry we all are obviously obsessed with.

here's a link to the wireless PC hub, you can get itmost places games are sold MS 360 PC wireless USB hubit's only 19.95 and every single 360 game that's come to PC supports it like a dream. you don't have to set anything up, just plug and play.

Yes it is. If you read the very very very 1st post on this thread (started by me). In fact it's the first link that goes into detail on it. So yes you should have know EXACTLY what I was talking about. Your lack of comprehension and willingness to spout off makes you look silly.

Thanks for the link! That looks like something worth buying. any word on how well it worsk with the PC? I've had issues in the past with my wired controllers...they seem a bit "unresponsive". Not that they dont' work, but just slightly more delay then when used with 360.

Yes it is. If you read the very very very 1st post on this thread (started by me). In fact it's the first link that goes into detail on it. So yes you should have know EXACTLY what I was talking about. Your lack of comprehension and willingness to spout off makes you look silly.

Thanks for the link! That looks like something worth buying. any word on how well it worsk with the PC? I've had issues in the past with my wired controllers...they seem a bit "unresponsive". Not that they dont' work, but just slightly more delay then when used with 360.

mikasa

it's definitely worth buying, it lets you use any 360 accessory on your PC. i've even tested the wheel out on some racing games but most don't use the force feedback.

i've had no issues with responsiveness -- the only thing that messes up sometimes is my usb headset, all the sound and my mic input are garbled when it's plugged in, but this could be a driver issue, or the fact that im using my onboard sound because vista rendered my 400$ X-Fi Fatal1ty useless more or less.