4K Gaming..........Teh Future

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] What's your water cooling equipmentJankarcop

I have a rad 360 Swiftech and a thermochill triple rad.

With 2xD5 variable pumps.

GioSmella getting annihilated in yet another thread? 


Nothing new. 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="ButDuuude"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]m3Boarder32

PS4 won't do 4k Native, that's for sure.

PC can do it.

Oh yes, I do have tops, don't remember which one. Either way, generic are ok.

Got rid of the GPU water block ? Right now only my CPU is in a loop and only using 1 rad.

Also, what does this have anything to do with water cooling being easy ?

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I have a rad 360 Swiftech and a thermochill triple rad.

With 2xD5 variable pumps.

m3Boarder32

GioSmella getting annihilated in yet another thread? 


Nothing new. 

I never said my setup was quiet... but it's possible to build one.

My reason for water cooling are not mainly for sound, but mostly for overclocking.

D5 are not that noisy, are you playing on muet or something ?

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

 

GioSmella getting annihilated in yet another thread? 


Nothing new. 

Bebi_vegeta

I never said my setup was quiet... but it's possible to build one.

My reason for water cooling are not mainly for sound, but mostly for overclocking.

D5 are not that noisy, are you playing on muet or something ?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Are you for real? He recommended a water cooling for a quiet build, when D5 pumps are not quiet at all...m3Boarder32

I never said my setup was quiet... but it's possible to build one.

My reason for water cooling are not mainly for sound, but mostly for overclocking.

D5 are not that noisy, are you playing on muet or something ?

Unless you put them full blast, they are not.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I never said my setup was quiet... but it's possible to build one.

My reason for water cooling are not mainly for sound, but mostly for overclocking.

D5 are not that noisy, are you playing on muet or something ?

Bebi_vegeta

Unless you put them full blast, they are not.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Yah theyre noisy, only the Koolance D5 Vario pump with a Koolance top is as quiet as my all air GTX 670m3Boarder32

Unless you put them full blast, they are not.

I'm glad you just chose a random chart on the internet... proves you know nothing.

Direct metal contact and no MCP655-B. Good job!

Better when decoupled, still not as quiet as my all air GPU m3Boarder32

Alright, tell that to the other guy who said he couldn't stand his GPU blasting while playing games.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

derp.

4k... lol.

a quick quiz for sw.

name one game whose basic gameplay  was ever made better by resolution.

notice how you can't do that?

why?

because resolution cannot improve gameplay.

4k hype is bullshyt made up to sell your gullible ass a new tv.

Bebi_vegeta

Depends how far you're siting from your screen and the size of it. But please go back to play games on a SDTV if your happy about that.

why any of you guys would sacrifice draw distance, a.i., onscreen enemies, or frames per second for resolution i will never understand.

do you just not understand how system asset allocation works?

you really want fluff over things that make gameplay better?

imo that is a wierd choice to make.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

derp.

4k... lol.

a quick quiz for sw.

name one game whose basic gameplay  was ever made better by resolution.

notice how you can't do that?

why?

because resolution cannot improve gameplay.

4k hype is bullshyt made up to sell your gullible ass a new tv.

Riverwolf007

Depends how far you're siting from your screen and the size of it. But please go back to play games on a SDTV if your happy about that.

why any of you guys would sacrifice draw distance, a.i., onscreen enemies, or frames per second for resolution i will never understand.

do you just not understand how system asset allocation works?

you really want fluff over things that make gameplay better?

imo that is a wierd choice to make.

So you're saying we should go back to SD resolution or even lower ?

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Depends how far you're siting from your screen and the size of it. But please go back to play games on a SDTV if your happy about that.

Bebi_vegeta

why any of you guys would sacrifice draw distance, a.i., onscreen enemies, or frames per second for resolution i will never understand.

do you just not understand how system asset allocation works?

you really want fluff over things that make gameplay better?

imo that is a wierd choice to make.

So you're saying we should go back to SD resolution or even lower ?

that would be stupid.

i am saying 4k is a huge resource hog, nobody has 4k tvs, it is silly to push for 4k support on the x1 and ps4 because they are too weak to do it and resolution has never made any game a better game just a clearer game.

 i'm also saying when you see someone say 4k makes games better they are full of shyt and want to sell you a new tv.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]i can't help but noticed at no place did you have an example of resolution making gameplay better.

why any of you guys would sacrifice draw distance, a.i., onscreen enemies, or frames per second for resolution i will never understand.

do you just not understand how system asset allocation works?

you really want fluff over things that make gameplay better?

imo that is a wierd choice to make.

Riverwolf007

So you're saying we should go back to SD resolution or even lower ?

that would be stupid.

i am saying 4k is a huge resource hog, nobody has 4k tvs, it is silly to push for 4k support on the x1 and ps4 because they are too weak to do it and resolution has never made any game a better game just a clearer game.

So your saying higher resolution are better... jut not 4k ? 

You had no problem with the 480i to 1080p jump, but 4k is a waste ?

For sure, 4k native won't happen this gen for console. But please let me enjoy it if possible on PC.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]i can't help but noticed at no place did you have an example of resolution making gameplay better.

why any of you guys would sacrifice draw distance, a.i., onscreen enemies, or frames per second for resolution i will never understand.

do you just not understand how system asset allocation works?

you really want fluff over things that make gameplay better?

imo that is a wierd choice to make.

Riverwolf007

So you're saying we should go back to SD resolution or even lower ?

that would be stupid.

i am saying 4k is a huge resource hog, nobody has 4k tvs, it is silly to push for 4k support on the x1 and ps4 because they are too weak to do it and resolution has never made any game a better game just a clearer game.

 i'm also saying when you see someone say 4k makes games better they are full of shyt and want to sell you a new tv.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

So you're saying we should go back to SD resolution or even lower ?

Bebi_vegeta

that would be stupid.

i am saying 4k is a huge resource hog, nobody has 4k tvs, it is silly to push for 4k support on the x1 and ps4 because they are too weak to do it and resolution has never made any game a better game just a clearer game.

So your saying higher resolution are better... jut not 4k ? 

You had no problem with the 480i to 1080p jump, but 4k is a waste ?

For sure, 4k native won't happen this gen for console. But please let me enjoy it if possible on PC.

for consoles this gen it is a waste.

but really not a waste since the x1 and ps4 flat out can't do it just like this gen the ps3 and 360 could not do native 1080p.

if you are talking next gen then yeah i'm down.

why are you arguing when we are saying the same shyt?

had i known your position was one day in the future 4k will be cool then yeah i can agree with that. 

lol.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

So you're saying we should go back to SD resolution or even lower ?

ShadowriverUB

that would be stupid.

i am saying 4k is a huge resource hog, nobody has 4k tvs, it is silly to push for 4k support on the x1 and ps4 because they are too weak to do it and resolution has never made any game a better game just a clearer game.

 i'm also saying when you see someone say 4k makes games better they are full of shyt and want to sell you a new tv.

well not that bad a news though.

it is not like all those 540p and 640p upscaled games we played this whole gen ever hurt anything.

hell, you guys didn't even know they were 540 and 640.

halo 3 was 540 and sw gfx king itself killzone 2 was 640 and everyone went apeshyt over it.

http://opa-ages.com/forums/topic/28168-guerrilla-bombshell-killzone-2-native-resolution-is-640-x-360-we-fake-hd-with-cell-super-upconversion-afterward/

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]why would i say that?

that would be stupid.

i am saying 4k is a huge resource hog, nobody has 4k tvs, it is silly to push for 4k support on the x1 and ps4 because they are too weak to do it and resolution has never made any game a better game just a clearer game.

 

 

Riverwolf007

So your saying higher resolution are better... jut not 4k ? 

You had no problem with the 480i to 1080p jump, but 4k is a waste ?

For sure, 4k native won't happen this gen for console. But please let me enjoy it if possible on PC.

for consoles this gen it is a waste.

but really not a waste since the x1 and ps4 flat out can't do it just like this gen the ps3 and 360 could not do native 1080p.

if you are talking next gen then yeah i'm down.

why are you arguing when we are saying the same shyt?

had i known your position was one day in the future 4k will be cool then yeah i can agree with that. 

lol.

Eithey way, it's probably a big waste on console eitherway. Like I said, it's all a matter of distance to screen size ratio... Which was my original argument. You started something out of nothing.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

So your saying higher resolution are better... jut not 4k ? 

You had no problem with the 480i to 1080p jump, but 4k is a waste ?

For sure, 4k native won't happen this gen for console. But please let me enjoy it if possible on PC.

Bebi_vegeta

for consoles this gen it is a waste.

but really not a waste since the x1 and ps4 flat out can't do it just like this gen the ps3 and 360 could not do native 1080p.

if you are talking next gen then yeah i'm down.

why are you arguing when we are saying the same shyt?

had i known your position was one day in the future 4k will be cool then yeah i can agree with that. 

lol.

Eithey way, it's probably a big waste on console eitherway. Like I said, it's all a matter of distance to screen size ratio... Which was my original argument. You started something out of nothing.

but if you want me to make fun of people that build a 4k rig for their 22 pc inch monitor i can do that too.

:P

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]yes i am saying exactly that.

for consoles this gen it is a waste.

but really not a waste since the x1 and ps4 flat out can't do it just like this gen the ps3 and 360 could not do native 1080p.

if you are talking next gen then yeah i'm down.

why are you arguing when we are saying the same shyt?

had i known your position was one day in the future 4k will be cool then yeah i can agree with that. 

lol.

Riverwolf007

Eithey way, it's probably a big waste on console eitherway. Like I said, it's all a matter of distance to screen size ratio... Which was my original argument. You started something out of nothing.

but if you want me to make fun of people that build a 4k rig for their 22 pc inch monitor i can do that too.

:P

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Eithey way, it's probably a big waste on console eitherway. Like I said, it's all a matter of distance to screen size ratio... Which was my original argument. You started something out of nothing.

SKaREO

but if you want me to make fun of people that build a 4k rig for their 22 pc inch monitor i can do that too.

:P

on top of that even if it does have a connection traditionally the hardcore fps guys say you get a better hitbox the lower the resolution not the higher.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]yes i am saying exactly that.

for consoles this gen it is a waste.

but really not a waste since the x1 and ps4 flat out can't do it just like this gen the ps3 and 360 could not do native 1080p.

if you are talking next gen then yeah i'm down.

why are you arguing when we are saying the same shyt?

had i known your position was one day in the future 4k will be cool then yeah i can agree with that. 

lol.

Riverwolf007

Eithey way, it's probably a big waste on console eitherway. Like I said, it's all a matter of distance to screen size ratio... Which was my original argument. You started something out of nothing.

but if you want me to make fun of people that build a 4k rig for their 22 pc inch monitor i can do that too.

:P

Like I said, go back to play in SD resolution or lower if it doesn't make the whole gaming experience better.

Again, it depends how far you sit from your screen. Some people have 32'' HDTV and sit 15 feet away... making 1080p useless.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]why would i say that?

that would be stupid.

i am saying 4k is a huge resource hog, nobody has 4k tvs, it is silly to push for 4k support on the x1 and ps4 because they are too weak to do it and resolution has never made any game a better game just a clearer game.

 i'm also saying when you see someone say 4k makes games better they are full of shyt and want to sell you a new tv.

 

Riverwolf007

well not that bad a news though.

it is not like all those 540p and 640p upscaled games we played this whole gen ever hurt anything.

hell, you guys didn't even know they were 540 and 640.

halo 3 was 540 and sw gfx king itself killzone 2 was 640 and everyone went apeshyt over it.

http://opa-ages.com/forums/topic/28168-guerrilla-bombshell-killzone-2-native-resolution-is-640-x-360-we-fake-hd-with-cell-super-upconversion-afterward/

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Eithey way, it's probably a big waste on console eitherway. Like I said, it's all a matter of distance to screen size ratio... Which was my original argument. You started something out of nothing.

Bebi_vegeta

but if you want me to make fun of people that build a 4k rig for their 22 pc inch monitor i can do that too.

:P

Like I said, go back to play in SD resolution or lower if it doesn't make the whole gaming experience better.

Again, it depends how far you sit from your screen. Some people have 32'' HDTV and sit 15 feet away... making 1080p useless.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]all i asked was for one example of resolution making gameplay better.

but if you want me to make fun of people that build a 4k rig for their 22 pc inch monitor i can do that too.

:P

ShadowriverUB

Like I said, go back to play in SD resolution or lower if it doesn't make the whole gaming experience better.

Again, it depends how far you sit from your screen. Some people have 32'' HDTV and sit 15 feet away... making 1080p useless.

Do you know about the size and distance relation for resolution ?

 I recall similiar threads in the past:

"720p Gaming...Teh Future"

and

"1080p Gaming...Teh Future"

With the same user (GIoVela) claiming they made no difference and will never be adopted.  Third time for him to eat his shorts.

 I recall similiar threads in the past:

"720p Gaming...Teh Future"

and

"1080p Gaming...Teh Future"

 

With the same user (GIoVela) claiming they made no difference and will never be adopted.  Third time for him to eat his shorts.

Jankarcop

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Like I said, go back to play in SD resolution or lower if it doesn't make the whole gaming experience better.

Again, it depends how far you sit from your screen. Some people have 32'' HDTV and sit 15 feet away... making 1080p useless.

Bebi_vegeta

Do you know about the size and distance relation for resolution ?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] It really does not matter, if you make 1080p you make it for people that can view 1080p, you can always downscale.Same as surround sound is very common now days but only some people actully use itm3Boarder32

Do you know about the size and distance relation for resolution ?

Which for PC gamers, 4k will be a plus.

The xbone and ps4 keep disappointing. At the moment, it's looking like the Wii U will be almost on the same level as them, despite the number difference, particularly since the archictecture between all 3 is relatively on par with each other.

Back on topic, the xbone and ps4 are struggling to render these so-called "next gen" titles at 720p, much less 1080p, how does m$ expect to get to 4k resolutions?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] It really does not matter, if you make 1080p you make it for people that can view 1080p, you can always downscale.Same as surround sound is very common now days but only some people actully use itm3Boarder32

Do you know about the size and distance relation for resolution ?

For movies I would agree, but games are quite different. The game world is rendered in only 2 million pixels in 1080P, that still leaves lots of room for jaggies and crawling edges especially if it has bad AA and using a deferred renderer.

Games that use deferred renderer will become more and more common in the future, and with it AA troubles. TXAA is a good method to get rid of most jaggies, but quite hardware costly and probably not feasible for console games.

Downsampling from higher resolutions is still the best method to get rid of jaggies, but very hardware intensive as well.

I'd say games rendered in 4K are probably extremely smooth and very little AA is necessary. That's the advantage, only for gaming and only if you have the money.

Personally I will wait until there's a good affordable 4K Plasma or OLED that beats current high end Plasmas. Then I'll make the jump.

haha. xbone can't play crap at 4k. i'm a little sceptical about even 1080p with these next-gen consoles.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Do you know about the size and distance relation for resolution ?

Bebi_vegeta

Which for PC gamers, 4k will be a plus.

Like I said, hermits could barely fit 27" 1440p screens on their tiny cluttered desks, now they're suddenly gonna fit 40" 4k TV's? Lol!m3Boarder32

yeah i play through my 50" tv wich i keep on my DESK. is that logic common among console gamers?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Of course, and that is why 4k is practically useless. When we jumped to 1080p nobody said 1080p is useless because you need a 65" TV to get the benefit of 1080p. But now with 4k, the smarter people realize it's useless because to get the benefit you need a screen between 100-150 inches big..m3Boarder32

Which for PC gamers, 4k will be a plus.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Cloning still sucks at owningm3Boarder32

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]Like I said, hermits could barely fit 27" 1440p screens on their tiny cluttered desks, now they're suddenly gonna fit 40" 4k TV's? Lol!groowagon

yeah i play through my 50" tv wich i keep on my DESK. is that logic common among console gamers?

 I recall similiar threads in the past:

"720p Gaming...Teh Future"

and

"1080p Gaming...Teh Future"

 

With the same user (GIoVela) claiming they made no difference and will never be adopted.  Third time for him to eat his shorts.

Jankarcop

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Which for PC gamers, 4k will be a plus.

clyde46

:lol:

The Xbox One and PS4 already struggle running numerous games at 720p/30. Even with years of optimization and experience, native 4k gaming is not happening on consoles this generation, unless its some sort of 2D side-scroller that looks like it was produced in the 80's.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Like I said, hermits could barely fit 27" 1440p screens on their tiny cluttered desks, now they're suddenly gonna fit 40" 4k TV's? Lol!m3Boarder32

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]Like I said, hermits could barely fit 27" 1440p screens on their tiny cluttered desks, now they're suddenly gonna fit 40" 4k TV's? Lol!groowagon

yeah i play through my 50" tv wich i keep on my DESK. is that logic common among console gamers?

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Such a sweeping statement, you got proof to back that claim up?clyde46

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Lol should I really post pics of your room? m3Boarder32

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Go right ahead if it pleases you so. My room is not represtive of the general population. clyde46

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"] It really does not matter, if you make 1080p you make it for people that can view 1080p, you can always downscale.Same as surround sound is very common now days but only some people actully use itBebi_vegeta

Do you know about the size and distance relation for resolution ?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Of course, and that is why 4k is practically useless. When we jumped to 1080p nobody said 1080p is useless because you need a 65" TV to get the benefit of 1080p. But now with 4k, the smarter people realize it's useless because to get the benefit you need a screen between 100-150 inches big..m3Boarder32

Which for PC gamers, 4k will be a plus.

Don't be mad brah.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]

Do you know about the size and distance relation for resolution ?

Mozelleple112

Depends on the distance.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] About 99% of what I've seen from hermits is as cluttered as your spacem3Boarder32

So you don't have any?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]

Do you know about the size and distance relation for resolution ?

Mozelleple112