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#551 TheDidact
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[QUOTE="tormentos"]Hahaha.... I haven't see so much buthurt in my life Tormentos vs 7 lemmings at once... Jonny even bring Fable into a sales thread..:lol:

I'm a manticore. I just find it funny to mess with you. :cool:
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#552 tormentos
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Small gap or not, MS delivered this gen. Unlike PS3, 360 was a huge success compared to the it's previous console!

That said, i don't think sales are that important. Console library wise, 360 is in a distant first place.

PAL360
Delivered what the biggest fail rate on the market,the most expensive over priced peripherals.? Please game wise you don't even get exclusives,just Halo,gears and forza.. Game wise you have to rely on old 2005,2006, games release before the PS3 was even here to keep parity.
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#553 Bruce_Benzing
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Hahaha.... I haven't see so much buthurt in my life Tormentos vs 7 lemmings at once... Jonny even bring Fable into a sales thread..:lol:tormentos

There you go again crying over Fable kinect :lol:

You gotta let it go at some point man. Wasn't 2400 posts of butthurt enough?

:lol: So how is that 360 6 million lead..:lol:

:lol: bu bu bu teh Gamespot favors teh Xbox 360 because of teh Gamespot App:lol::lol:

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#554 tormentos
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I'm a manticore. I just find it funny to mess with you. :cool:TheDidact
Na you are a lemming and you are always defending MS..
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#555 JohnnyCageMK
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Small gap or not, MS delivered this gen. Unlike PS3, 360 was a huge success compared to the it's previous console!

That said, i don't think sales are that important. Console library wise, 360 is in a distant first place.

tormentos

Delivered what the biggest fail rate on the market,the most expensive over priced peripherals.? Please game wise you don't even get exclusives,just Halo,gears and forza.. Game wise you have to rely on old 2005,2006, games release before the PS3 was even here to keep parity.

So why is PS3 in last then? 360 costs more and you claim it has no exclusives (and then named 3 of the highest rated ones in existence LOL). Whats the new excuse eltormo?

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#556 tormentos
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So at this point can we just say the PS3 only sold 40million units because of YLOD? :lol:TheDidact
You can say that,but been real is another thing YLOD wasn't even close to RROD..Only a true lemming will deny this.
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#557 rilpas
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oh, came back to say this: Remember when Tormentos said he didn't care about sales? Boy, he sure sounds like someone who doesn't care about sales in this thread, doesn't he? :lol:
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#558 tormentos
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So why is PS3 in last then? 360 costs more and you claim it has no exclusives (and then named 3 of the highest rated ones in existence LOL). Whats the new excuse eltormo?JohnnyCageMK
You know why the 1 year head start... Nothing on 360 is higher rated than Uncharted 2 on meta or gameraking,worst if i drop the Meta game and go gamespot.. MGS4 10 out 10... No matter how you slice it..
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#559 JohnnyCageMK
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]So why is PS3 in last then? 360 costs more and you claim it has no exclusives (and then named 3 of the highest rated ones in existence LOL). Whats the new excuse eltormo?tormentos
You know why the 1 year head start... Nothing on 360 is higher rated than Uncharted 2 on meta or gameraking,worst if i drop the Meta game and go gamespot.. MGS4 10 out 10... No matter how you slice it..

Wii came out last and still sold 95 mil. PS2 had 150 million buyers so what happened to 80 million of them? And trying to use meta and GS scores seperately in the same post? LOL can't have it both ways bro. Does PS3 have no games this year or do they have 1. Pick.
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#560 tormentos
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[QUOTE="rilpas"]oh, came back to say this: Remember when Tormentos said he didn't care about sales? Boy, he sure sounds like someone who doesn't care about sales in this thread, doesn't he? :lol:

I don't i am actually messing with all of you who are on denial. In fact i am the only one here who say that even if the PS3 pass the xbox 360 it would not matter,because sony loss.. But unlike you extremely blind lemmings,i know both consoles loss,i know that there is no second place trophy or achievement,you loss carry on,trying to claim supremacy over 2 million lead is a joke,the xbox 360 failed and you people don't have the guts to admit it.. The wii won in basically all regard.. Highest rated games this gen Wii,highest selling game this gen wii,highest selling console this gen wii,console with no losses wii... The xbox 360 and PS3 loss move on..
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#561 rilpas
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[QUOTE="rilpas"]oh, came back to say this: Remember when Tormentos said he didn't care about sales? Boy, he sure sounds like someone who doesn't care about sales in this thread, doesn't he? :lol:tormentos
I don't i am actually messing with all of you who are on denial.

hai guise

I was trolling the whole time

honest!

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#562 tormentos
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Wii came out last and still sold 95 mil. PS2 had 150 million buyers so what happened to 80 million of them? And trying to use meta and GS scores seperately in the same post? LOL can't have it both ways bro. Does PS3 have no games this year or do they have 1. Pick.

The wii wasn't $400 or $600 and had an appealing selling point one that Sony and MS fallow. What happen to 80 million of them? Is the xbox 360 the console with 50% or higher fail rate no the PS2. No i just safe proof my argument,if you want meta Uncharted 2 >>> any 360 game,if you go gamespot MGS4 >>> any 360 game,i just corner you and give you the 2 options used here. The PS3 has the highest rates game this year is call Journey is has 92 on meta..And even 9 here...
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#563 TheDidact
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[QUOTE="TheDidact"]I'm a manticore. I just find it funny to mess with you. :cool:tormentos
Na you are a lemming and you are always defending MS..

Did you see my post in the dashboard thread about forming an uprising against MS because of RARE, the sucky metro dashboard, and the XBL price hike? Also did you see my post in the stickied thread about my top ten games of this gen? I'll post them again: 1) Mass Effect 2 2) Uncharted 2 3) Super Mario Galaxy 4) Skyrim 5) Halo 3 6) Little Big Planet 7) Call of Duty 4 8) Red Dead Redemption 9) Minecraft 10) Gears of War 2
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#564 JohnnyCageMK
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Wii came out last and still sold 95 mil. PS2 had 150 million buyers so what happened to 80 million of them? And trying to use meta and GS scores seperately in the same post? LOL can't have it both ways bro. Does PS3 have no games this year or do they have 1. Pick.

The wii wasn't $400 or $600 and had an appealing selling point one that Sony and MS fallow. What happen to 80 million of them? Is the xbox 360 the console with 50% or higher fail rate no the PS2. No i just safe proof my argument,if you want meta Uncharted 2 >>> any 360 game,if you go gamespot MGS4 >>> any 360 game,i just corner you and give you the 2 options used here. The PS3 has the highest rates game this year is call Journey is has 92 on meta..And even 9 here...

So once again why is PS3 in last place?
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#565 tormentos
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] So once again why is PS3 in last place?

I already answer you stop spinning you will get dizzy..:lol:
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thank you kids in china who assemble xbox
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#568 Meeeper282
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]

There you go again crying over Fable kinect :lol:

You gotta let it go at some point man. Wasn't 2400 posts of butthurt enough?

todd2r

:lol: So how is that 360 6 million lead..:lol:

it is 6 million.

Because sony has sold 0 ps3's since march right? :lol:

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#571 Meeeper282
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[QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

[QUOTE="todd2r"]

it is 6 million.

todd2r

Because sony has sold 0 ps3's since march right? :lol:

what?

You do know sony announced in march that they had sold 64million ps3's since the end of 2011? so your telling me sony has sold 0 ps3's since the start of the year?

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#573 Meeeper282
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[QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

[QUOTE="todd2r"]

what?

todd2r

You do know sony announced in march that they had sold 64million ps3's since the end of 2011? so your telling me sony has sold 0 ps3's since the start of the year?

wheres the info to back up this claim?

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

You see that chart? the chart that doesn't include any numbers from 2012? yeah that's the last numbers sony released for the ps3, those numbers also add up to 63.9m

Check and mate

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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Wii came out last and still sold 95 mil. PS2 had 150 million buyers so what happened to 80 million of them? And trying to use meta and GS scores seperately in the same post? LOL can't have it both ways bro. Does PS3 have no games this year or do they have 1. Pick.

The wii wasn't $400 or $600 and had an appealing selling point one that Sony and MS fallow. What happen to 80 million of them? Is the xbox 360 the console with 50% or higher fail rate no the PS2. No i just safe proof my argument,if you want meta Uncharted 2 >>> any 360 game,if you go gamespot MGS4 >>> any 360 game,i just corner you and give you the 2 options used here. The PS3 has the highest rates game this year is call Journey is has 92 on meta..And even 9 here...

So once again why is PS3 in last place?

I'm not sure but just as boggling is ms doubling its sales with double the hardware failure rates. 7th gen has been like the twilight zone.
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#575 lundy86_4
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http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

You see that chart? the chart that doesn't include any numbers from 2012? yeah that's the last numbers sony released for the ps3, those numbers also add up to 63.9m

Check and mate

Meeeper282

Actually, they have released their Q1 2012 numbers : Link. However, we have yet to see their 2nd quarter numbers. I believe their 2nd quarter runs from July to Sept. Thus, we are missing sales figures up to Sept. However, MS has reported into Q1 of their 2013 year.

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#576 Meeeper282
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[QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

You see that chart? the chart that doesn't include any numbers from 2012? yeah that's the last numbers sony released for the ps3, those numbers also add up to 63.9m

Check and mate

lundy86_4

Actually, they have released their Q1 2012 numbers : Link. However, we have yet to see their 2nd quarter numbers. I believe their 2nd quarter ends in Sept.

Well once we get those numbers we will know how close or far sony is, but claiming the 360 is 6m ahead is just insane

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#577 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

but what make's the wii u next gen? the wii wasn't classified as a next gen console

Meeeper282

it's not about power, it's about succession, the Wii-U succeeds the wii there fore it is the next gneration nintendo console, The xbox 360 succeeded the original Xbox so was therefore MS next generation console and thw wii IS classified as a current generation console, only Fanboys on here say otherwise ' As a seventh-generation console, the Wii competes with Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii

just because you release a next gen console it doesn't mean the next gen has started, because the ps3 and 360 will still be the main consoles when the wii u is released, so the current gen would still be bigger then the next gen.

Listen kid, The next generation starts when the FIRST next generation Console releases, it has ALWAYS been that way, Thats the way the Games industry see's it and thats the way the vast maority of Gamers see it, i don't care if you don't like it, thats the way it is, just accept it or carry on being Wrong, the choice is yours.
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#578 lundy86_4
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Well once we get those numbers we will know how close or far sony is, but claiming the 360 is 6m ahead is just insane

Meeeper282

They are not 6 million behind. As of their latest numbers, Sony are at 66.7 million in comparison to MS' 70 million.

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#579 todd2r_Partdeux
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[QUOTE="todd2r"]

[QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

You do know sony announced in march that they had sold 64million ps3's since the end of 2011? so your telling me sony has sold 0 ps3's since the start of the year?

Meeeper282

wheres the info to back up this claim?

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

You see that chart? the chart that doesn't include any numbers from 2012? yeah that's the last numbers sony released for the ps3, those numbers also add up to 63.9m

Check and mate

I'm sorry but I don't believe the source. They can spin numbers however they want.
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#580 Meeeper282
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[QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

Well once we get those numbers we will know how close or far sony is, but claiming the 360 is 6m ahead is just insane

lundy86_4

They are not 6 million behind. As of their latest numbers, Sony are at 66.7 million in comparison to MS' 70 million.

And those numbers were from a while back, so sony might ahead "or close to it" but microsoft usually ships more during the holidays so they might pull away again.

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#581 Meeeper282
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[QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

[QUOTE="todd2r"]

wheres the info to back up this claim?

todd2r_Partdeux

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

You see that chart? the chart that doesn't include any numbers from 2012? yeah that's the last numbers sony released for the ps3, those numbers also add up to 63.9m

Check and mate

I'm sorry but I don't believe the source. They can spin numbers however they want.

What??? wait WHAT? how stupid can you be

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#582 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

Well once we get those numbers we will know how close or far sony is, but claiming the 360 is 6m ahead is just insane

Meeeper282

They are not 6 million behind. As of their latest numbers, Sony are at 66.7 million in comparison to MS' 70 million.

And those numbers were from a while back, so sony might ahead "or close to it" but microsoft usually ships more during the holidays so they might pull away again.

I estimate they are behind by 1+ million. Likely between 1 and 2. However, the holiday period for the 360 is typically where the gap widens again, ever so slightly.

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#583 Meeeper282
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[QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]it's not about power, it's about succession, the Wii-U succeeds the wii there fore it is the next gneration nintendo console, The xbox 360 succeeded the original Xbox so was therefore MS next generation console and thw wii IS classified as a current generation console, only Fanboys on here say otherwise ' As a seventh-generation console, the Wii competes with Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiidelta3074

just because you release a next gen console it doesn't mean the next gen has started, because the ps3 and 360 will still be the main consoles when the wii u is released, so the current gen would still be bigger then the next gen.

Listen kid, The next generation starts when the FIRST next generation Console releases, it has ALWAYS been that way, Thats the way the Games industry see's it and thats the way the vast maority of Gamers see it, i don't care if you don't like it, thats the way it is, just accept it or carry on being Wrong, the choice is yours.

But the current generation doesn't end untill all 3 consoles are out, meaning sony could end the generation in second.. kay?

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#584 todd2r_Partdeux
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[QUOTE="todd2r_Partdeux"][QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

You see that chart? the chart that doesn't include any numbers from 2012? yeah that's the last numbers sony released for the ps3, those numbers also add up to 63.9m

Check and mate

Meeeper282

I'm sorry but I don't believe the source. They can spin numbers however they want.

What??? wait WHAT? how stupid can you be

I'm not stupid. I just don't believe their report. They can spin numbers in their favor all they want. I need more concrete evidence and I'm not seeing it.
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#585 Meeeper282
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[QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

They are not 6 million behind. As of their latest numbers, Sony are at 66.7 million in comparison to MS' 70 million.

lundy86_4

And those numbers were from a while back, so sony might ahead "or close to it" but microsoft usually ships more during the holidays so they might pull away again.

I estimate they are behind by 1+ million. Likely between 1 and 2. However, the holiday period for the 360 is typically where the gap widens again, ever so slightly.

Yeah, i was looking at those Q2 shipped numbers, and if sony did that again, they would pull ahead, but we don't really know untill they officially release them, but i believe the 1.7m vgchartz has is close.

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#586 Meeeper282
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[QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

[QUOTE="todd2r_Partdeux"] I'm sorry but I don't believe the source. They can spin numbers however they want. todd2r_Partdeux

What??? wait WHAT? how stupid can you be

I'm not stupid. I just don't believe their report. They can spin numbers in their favor all they want. I need more concrete evidence and I'm not seeing it.

Why would sony lie about how many consoles they shipped?

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#587 lundy86_4
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I'm not stupid. I just don't believe their report. They can spin numbers in their favor all they want. I need more concrete evidence and I'm not seeing it. todd2r_Partdeux

Those are Sony's shipped-to-retail numbers, much like MS' 70 million figure. Official reports are illegal to "spin".

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#588 Nanomage
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[QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

[QUOTE="todd2r_Partdeux"] I'm sorry but I don't believe the source. They can spin numbers however they want. todd2r_Partdeux

What??? wait WHAT? how stupid can you be

I'm not stupid. I just don't believe their report. They can spin numbers in their favor all they want. I need more concrete evidence and I'm not seeing it.

Yes you are stupid,they can´t lie in these reports,otherwise they would be screwed.
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#589 todd2r_Partdeux
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[QUOTE="todd2r_Partdeux"][QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

What??? wait WHAT? how stupid can you be

Meeeper282

I'm not stupid. I just don't believe their report. They can spin numbers in their favor all they want. I need more concrete evidence and I'm not seeing it.

Why would sony lie about how many consoles they shipped?

Who knows. It's not concrete to me. 6 million it is.
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#590 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

just because you release a next gen console it doesn't mean the next gen has started, because the ps3 and 360 will still be the main consoles when the wii u is released, so the current gen would still be bigger then the next gen.

Meeeper282

Listen kid, The next generation starts when the FIRST next generation Console releases, it has ALWAYS been that way, Thats the way the Games industry see's it and thats the way the vast maority of Gamers see it, i don't care if you don't like it, thats the way it is, just accept it or carry on being Wrong, the choice is yours.

But the current generation doesn't end untill all 3 consoles are out, meaning sony could end the generation in second.. kay?

This generation doesn't end until they stop producing all 3 consoles, the last generation is till going i think, DO SONY still make the PS2? i don't know but yes you are right, SONY could end up being Second this generation but it's irrelevent once the Next generation starts, we determine who has 'won' by who has sold the most when the next generation starts,in this case it would be the Wii, highest hardware sales and the most high rated exclusives.
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#591 lundy86_4
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Who knows. It's not concrete to me. 6 million it is. todd2r_Partdeux

Stop trying to troll. Official numbers are illegal to "pad".

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#592 delta3074
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[QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

[QUOTE="todd2r_Partdeux"] I'm not stupid. I just don't believe their report. They can spin numbers in their favor all they want. I need more concrete evidence and I'm not seeing it. todd2r_Partdeux

Why would sony lie about how many consoles they shipped?

Who knows. It's not concrete to me. 6 million it is.

you are being dliberately awkward now, his link was sound, the 360 is about 1-2 million ahead of the Ps3 at that point, hasn't been 6 million since about 2008
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#593 Meeeper282
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[QUOTE="todd2r_Partdeux"] I'm not stupid. I just don't believe their report. They can spin numbers in their favor all they want. I need more concrete evidence and I'm not seeing it. todd2r_Partdeux

Why would sony lie about how many consoles they shipped?

Who knows. It's not concrete to me. 6 million it is.

What is this... i don't even!!!!

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#594 Meeeper282
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[QUOTE="delta3074"]Listen kid, The next generation starts when the FIRST next generation Console releases, it has ALWAYS been that way, Thats the way the Games industry see's it and thats the way the vast maority of Gamers see it, i don't care if you don't like it, thats the way it is, just accept it or carry on being Wrong, the choice is yours.delta3074

But the current generation doesn't end untill all 3 consoles are out, meaning sony could end the generation in second.. kay?

This generation doesn't end until they stop producing all 3 consoles, the last generation is till going i think, DO SONY still make the PS2? i don't know but yes you are right, SONY could end up being Second this generation but it's irrelevent once the Next generation starts, we determine who has 'won' by who has sold the most when the next generation starts,in this case it would be the Wii, highest hardware sales and the most high rated exclusives.

I know, and to me sales areirrelevant anyways, well not really i'm a nintendo fan, i have it all XD

Ohh and the ps2 is still being made "really big in india i heard"

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[QUOTE="todd2r_Partdeux"][QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

Why would sony lie about how many consoles they shipped?

Meeeper282

Who knows. It's not concrete to me. 6 million it is.

What is this... i don't even!!!!

Hate to break it to you but the Lems aren't the only ones that dispute facts...

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[QUOTE="todd2r_Partdeux"][QUOTE="Meeeper282"]

Why would sony lie about how many consoles they shipped?

delta3074
Who knows. It's not concrete to me. 6 million it is.

you are being dliberately awkward now, his link was sound, the 360 is about 1-2 million ahead of the Ps3 at that point, hasn't been 6 million since about 2008

Companies lie all the time. It may be illegal but it still happens. They are a company that's about to die. Who's to say they didn't fake those numbers to prevent further panic from inside the company? 6 million it is.
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If sony can lie about their numbers so can the rest. So if you can't accept sony's numbers why should we accept ms or nintendo's?
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Companies lie all the time. It may be illegal but it still happens. They are a company that's about to die. Who's to say they didn't fake those numbers to prevent further panic from inside the company? 6 million it is. todd2r_Partdeux

Stop being such an idiot.

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#599 Meeeper282
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="todd2r_Partdeux"] Who knows. It's not concrete to me. 6 million it is. todd2r_Partdeux
you are being dliberately awkward now, his link was sound, the 360 is about 1-2 million ahead of the Ps3 at that point, hasn't been 6 million since about 2008

Companies lie all the time. It may be illegal but it still happens. They are a company that's about to die. Who's to say they didn't fake those numbers to prevent further panic from inside the company? 6 million it is.

So you believe microsoft is telling the truth and sony is lying?

If sony was going to fake any numbers it would be the vita

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[QUOTE="todd2r_Partdeux"]Companies lie all the time. It may be illegal but it still happens. They are a company that's about to die. Who's to say they didn't fake those numbers to prevent further panic from inside the company? 6 million it is. lundy86_4

Stop being such an idiot.