Activision thinks about no longer supporting sony.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

I'd like to think that a sticky will prevent further threads, but we all know that's not true. :P

Anyway I still think this is just Activision pushing their "#1 Publisher" weight around.

redfordo

Sony fanboy?

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

You have no room to call other people clueless when you don't know the difference between facts and opinions.

You've clearly expressed that it is a fact that Sony has great exclusives and you haven't admitted that that is merely your opinion, but instead have attached a positive truth value to the statement that Sony has great exclusives. So, no, you don't know the difference between an opinion and a fact. If you did, we wouldn't we having the argument we're having.

I'd like to think that a sticky will prevent further threads, but we all know that's not true. :P

Anyway I still think this is just Activision pushing their "#1 Publisher" weight around.

Teufelhuhn

You completely made my day.

You sticked a thread made by an awesome poster.

And your avatar still makes me smile.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

You have no room to call other people clueless when you don't know the difference between facts and opinions.

Tragic_Kingdom7

You've clearly expressed that it is a fact that Sony has great exclusives and you haven't admitted that that is merely your opinion, but instead have attached a positive truth value to the statement that Sony has great exclusives. So, no, you don't know the difference between an opinion and a fact. If you did, we wouldn't we having the argument we're having.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="TroyM1"]Here are examples of games thatwere conceved of developed and published by a console maker. Mario, Zelda, Sonic the Hedgehog, Metroid, Panzer Dragoon, theres tons morebelieve me

edo-tensei

I'm not involved in this particular argument.

Yeah, but just to point out the hyprocrisy of you of all peoplecalling him clueless, stubborn, etc. Not to actually argue about what you guys were arguing about.

I'd like to think that a sticky will prevent further threads, but we all know that's not true. :P

Anyway I still think this is just Activision pushing their "#1 Publisher" weight around.

Teufelhuhn

I have mixed feelings about this, on one hand I do think Sony should drop the price by $50 at least for now. But on the other hand I really really find Activision incredibly annoying this gen. And I would love them to drop support for the PS3(20milion+ users) and have it bite it in their ass later. And I tend to prefer Activions competitors offerings like rockband instead of guitar hero anyways.

I'm not supporting Activision products in any way...

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]then why do fanboys exist? I'm sure you have called someone a fanboy before in this place after reading his or her comment after his of her opinion of a game so you really have no integrity here, because you can't even respect your own opinion you have been ranting about for an hour after I said the ps3 had great first party exclusives.Tragic_Kingdom7

1) Fanboys exist because people like yourself believe that opinions are facts. Since fanboys believe their opinions are facts, they get overzealous and are shocked when other people don't agree with them.

2) I have never called somebody a fanboy for having an opinion on a game. You shouldn't attack my integrity based on assumptions.

3) I've stated repeatedly that I agree that Sony has great first party exclusives. What I don't agree with is that this is a fact.It is clear that this is our opinion.

4) I never begrudged you your opinion. I merely said that your opinion about the first party exclusives is not relevant to when talking about the survival of a company.

sometimes this opinion thing in SW always gets out of hand. yeah of course your and my opinion is not fact bla bla bla. but saying that sony has great exclusives is a fact to a certain point. of course some people dont think so but doesnt make it so. GoW and GT are "great exclusives" because they have a good track record in sales and reviews. Saying that they cant be great exclusives just because a minority of people dont think so is just bit extreme.exiledsnake

The "opinion thing" is the truth, so it doesn't get "out of hand".

Saying Sony has great exclusives can't be a fact to "a certain point". Either it's a fact or it's not.

1) Sales are not a measure of quality.

2) Reviews are opinions and nothing more.

Saying that it's a fact that Sony has great exclusives because the majority thinks so is an appeal to popularity, which is a fallacy. Majority opinion is not more valuable than minority opinion.Opinions can't be more or less valuable than another. They can only be different.

We don't have to come any kind of consensus on whether a system has great exclusives. Everybody's opinions can co-exist.

examples? or are you just talking out of your aedo-tensei

You've clearly expressed that it is a fact that Sony has great exclusives and you haven't admitted that that is merely your opinion, but instead have attached a positive truth value to the statement that Sony has great exclusives. So, no, you don't know the difference between an opinion and a fact. If you did, we wouldn't we having the argument we're having.

My first thought was all the Activision shovelware I could avoid this season if this came true lol. But yeah, this has to be about the last thing Sony wanted to see. Everyone wants a price cut, Sony wants it too, but has to make sure to get the biggest bang with the move they can get, and even most calling for an immediate cut agree it's effect would become greater closer to the holiday season. Why Activision thought now was the time to take their case to the media is beyond me. You know Sony and Activision are gonna get asked about this constantly until (and then after) a price cut comes along. Apparently PS3 selling roughly the same number of consoles since its' launch as the 360 had a year ago wasn't enough for Activision. Did they expect the PS3 to be first by now?santoron

Yeah well PS3 had a pricecut in it's first year as to where 360 didn't. So regardless Sony needs another price drop to boost sales again.

That would be crazy if Ea left Sony too

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] examples? or are you just talking out of your aedo-tensei

You've clearly expressed that it is a fact that Sony has great exclusives and you haven't admitted that that is merely your opinion, but instead have attached a positive truth value to the statement that Sony has great exclusives. So, no, you don't know the difference between an opinion and a fact. If you did, we wouldn't we having the argument we're having.

*sigh*

Just because people have different opinions doesn't mean that games can't be recognized for anything. They can be recognized for being great by people who think they are great.

Of course nobody is right because we are talking about OPINIONS. Wrong or right only comes into play when discussing FACTS.

That would be crazy if Ea left Sony too

TroyM1

That would be crazy if pigs could fly!

That would be crazy if EA started making only DS games too!

That would be crazy if Activision made their own Console!

Who made ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, or God of War?

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

You've clearly expressed that it is a fact that Sony has great exclusives and you haven't admitted that that is merely your opinion, but instead have attached a positive truth value to the statement that Sony has great exclusives. So, no, you don't know the difference between an opinion and a fact. If you did, we wouldn't we having the argument we're having.

edo-tensei

Your argument is insane, so it's natural that you feel like you're losing your sanity.

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

You've clearly expressed that it is a fact that Sony has great exclusives and you haven't admitted that that is merely your opinion, but instead have attached a positive truth value to the statement that Sony has great exclusives. So, no, you don't know the difference between an opinion and a fact. If you did, we wouldn't we having the argument we're having.

edo-tensei

A lot of you here have pointed to the PS3 low console sales, and low software sales for the reason behind activision rant. Nonetheless, Activision cannot afford to let Sony go as they have PS2 and PSP in their games as well. PS3 + PS2 + PSP > XBox 360 in terms of their revenue, and customer, and market. Unless, Microsoft are willing to compensate Activision for leaving PS3, I think that the CEO is just bluffing and quite frankly rude for business standpoint.

It is true that PS3 needs a price cut, but Activision, even though its the largest 3rd party developer, does not have enough power to not suppport PS3 due to the market situation nowadays and the trend. The trend use to be that 3rd party developer dictates the console sales and market. This is no longer the case as Wii changed the trend of market.

[QUOTE="TroyM1"]

That would be crazy if Ea left Sony too

SolidTy

That would be crazy if pigs could fly!

That would be crazy if EA started making only DS games too!

That would be crazy if Activision made their own Console!

Who made ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, or God of War?

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"]sometimes this opinion thing in SW always gets out of hand. yeah of course your and my opinion is not fact bla bla bla. but saying that sony has great exclusives is a fact to a certain point. of course some people dont think so but doesnt make it so. GoW and GT are "great exclusives" because they have a good track record in sales and reviews. Saying that they cant be great exclusives just because a minority of people dont think so is just bit extreme.Tragic_Kingdom7

The "opinion thing" is the truth, so it doesn't get "out of hand".

Saying Sony has great exclusives can't be a fact to "a certain point". Either it's a fact or it's not.

1) Sales are not a measure of quality.

2) Reviews are opinions and nothing more.

Saying that it's a fact that Sony has great exclusives because the majority thinks so is an appeal to popularity, which is a fallacy. Majority opinion is not more valuable than minority opinion.Opinions can't be more or less valuable than another. They can only be different.

We don't have to come any kind of consensus on whether a system has great exclusives. Everybody's opinions can co-exist.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

I'm not involved in this particular argument.

Yeah, but just to point out the hyprocrisy of you of all peoplecalling him clueless, stubborn, etc. Not to actually argue about what you guys were arguing about.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]then why do fanboys exist? I'm sure you have called someone a fanboy before in this place after reading his or her comment after his of her opinion of a game so you really have no integrity here, because you can't even respect your own opinion you have been ranting about for an hour after I said the ps3 had great first party exclusives.edo-tensei

1) Fanboys exist because people like yourself believe that opinions are facts. Since fanboys believe their opinions are facts, they get overzealous and are shocked when other people don't agree with them.

2) I have never called somebody a fanboy for having an opinion on a game. You shouldn't attack my integrity based on assumptions.

3) I've stated repeatedly that I agree that Sony has great first party exclusives. What I don't agree with is that this is a fact.It is clear that this is our opinion.

4) I never begrudged you your opinion. I merely said that your opinion about the first party exclusives is not relevant to when talking about the survival of a company.

Having a stronger first party foundationmeans that they can rely on their first party titles more heavily. This does not mean that they can forego third parties all together.

[QUOTE="santoron"]My first thought was all the Activision shovelware I could avoid this season if this came true lol. But yeah, this has to be about the last thing Sony wanted to see. Everyone wants a price cut, Sony wants it too, but has to make sure to get the biggest bang with the move they can get, and even most calling for an immediate cut agree it's effect would become greater closer to the holiday season. Why Activision thought now was the time to take their case to the media is beyond me. You know Sony and Activision are gonna get asked about this constantly until (and then after) a price cut comes along. Apparently PS3 selling roughly the same number of consoles since its' launch as the 360 had a year ago wasn't enough for Activision. Did they expect the PS3 to be first by now?Return-Fire

Yeah well PS3 had a pricecut in it's first year as to where 360 didn't. So regardless Sony needs another price drop to boost sales again.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

You've clearly expressed that it is a fact that Sony has great exclusives and you haven't admitted that that is merely your opinion, but instead have attached a positive truth value to the statement that Sony has great exclusives. So, no, you don't know the difference between an opinion and a fact. If you did, we wouldn't we having the argument we're having.

*sigh*

Just because people have different opinions doesn't mean that games can't be recognized for anything. They can be recognized for being great by people who think they are great.

Of course nobody is right because we are talking about OPINIONS. Wrong or right only comes into play when discussing FACTS.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="TroyM1"]

That would be crazy if Ea left Sony too

TroyM1

That would be crazy if pigs could fly!

That would be crazy if EA started making only DS games too!

That would be crazy if Activision made their own Console!

Who made ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, or God of War?

Team Ico is the name of the team under working under Sony Computer Entertainment Japan's Product Development Department #1

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

1) Fanboys exist because people like yourself believe that opinions are facts. Since fanboys believe their opinions are facts, they get overzealous and are shocked when other people don't agree with them.

2) I have never called somebody a fanboy for having an opinion on a game. You shouldn't attack my integrity based on assumptions.

3) I've stated repeatedly that I agree that Sony has great first party exclusives. What I don't agree with is that this is a fact.It is clear that this is our opinion.

4) I never begrudged you your opinion. I merely said that your opinion about the first party exclusives is not relevant to when talking about the survival of a company.

Having a stronger first party foundationmeans that they can rely on their first party titles more heavily. This does not mean that they can forego third parties all together.

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"]sometimes this opinion thing in SW always gets out of hand. yeah of course your and my opinion is not fact bla bla bla. but saying that sony has great exclusives is a fact to a certain point. of course some people dont think so but doesnt make it so. GoW and GT are "great exclusives" because they have a good track record in sales and reviews. Saying that they cant be great exclusives just because a minority of people dont think so is just bit extreme.Tragic_Kingdom7

The "opinion thing" is the truth, so it doesn't get "out of hand".

Saying Sony has great exclusives can't be a fact to "a certain point". Either it's a fact or it's not.

1) Sales are not a measure of quality.

2) Reviews are opinions and nothing more.

Saying that it's a fact that Sony has great exclusives because the majority thinks so is an appeal to popularity, which is a fallacy. Majority opinion is not more valuable than minority opinion.Opinions can't be more or less valuable than another. They can only be different.

We don't have to come any kind of consensus on whether a system has great exclusives. Everybody's opinions can co-exist.

[QUOTE="TroyM1"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

That would be crazy if pigs could fly!

That would be crazy if EA started making only DS games too!

That would be crazy if Activision made their own Console!

Who made ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, or God of War?

SolidTy

Team Ico is the name of the team under working under Sony Computer Entertainment Japan's Product Development Department #1

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"]sometimes this opinion thing in SW always gets out of hand. yeah of course your and my opinion is not fact bla bla bla. but saying that sony has great exclusives is a fact to a certain point. of course some people dont think so but doesnt make it so. GoW and GT are "great exclusives" because they have a good track record in sales and reviews. Saying that they cant be great exclusives just because a minority of people dont think so is just bit extreme.edo-tensei

The "opinion thing" is the truth, so it doesn't get "out of hand".

Saying Sony has great exclusives can't be a fact to "a certain point". Either it's a fact or it's not.

1) Sales are not a measure of quality.

2) Reviews are opinions and nothing more.

Saying that it's a fact that Sony has great exclusives because the majority thinks so is an appeal to popularity, which is a fallacy. Majority opinion is not more valuable than minority opinion.Opinions can't be more or less valuable than another. They can only be different.

We don't have to come any kind of consensus on whether a system has great exclusives. Everybody's opinions can co-exist.

1)As for your point about System Wars, just because fanboys are intolerant of eachother's opinions doesn't mean that opinions can't co-exist.Thinking opinion=fact is fanboy zealotry of the kind that most people avoid, because it's silly.

2) I didn't say we shouldn't come to aconsensus on importantmoralissues.Humans have an interest in coming to a consensus when it comes to somemoral laws.No such interest exists for something as trivial as video games. Still, we come to a consensus based on the needs of our society. That does not make morals facts. Morals are subjective in nature. It's just that certain morals lead to better results and thus we adopt them.

Now what does this have to with games?

I have mixed feelings about this, on one hand I do think Sony should drop the price by $50 at least for now. But on the other hand I really really find Activision incredibly annoying this gen. And I would love them to drop support for the PS3(20milion+ users) and have it bite it in their ass later. And I tend to prefer Activions competitors offerings like rockband instead of guitar hero anyways.

RedMarzBoy

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="exiledsnake"] sometimes this opinion thing in SW always gets out of hand. yeah of course your and my opinion is not fact bla bla bla. but saying that sony has great exclusives is a fact to a certain point. of course some people dont think so but doesnt make it so. GoW and GT are "great exclusives" because they have a good track record in sales and reviews. Saying that they cant be great exclusives just because a minority of people dont think so is just bit extreme.Tragic_Kingdom7

Your argument is insane, so it's natural that you feel like you're losing your sanity.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"]sometimes this opinion thing in SW always gets out of hand. yeah of course your and my opinion is not fact bla bla bla. but saying that sony has great exclusives is a fact to a certain point. of course some people dont think so but doesnt make it so. GoW and GT are "great exclusives" because they have a good track record in sales and reviews. Saying that they cant be great exclusives just because a minority of people dont think so is just bit extreme.exiledsnake

The "opinion thing" is the truth, so it doesn't get "out of hand".

Saying Sony has great exclusives can't be a fact to "a certain point". Either it's a fact or it's not.

1) Sales are not a measure of quality.

2) Reviews are opinions and nothing more.

Saying that it's a fact that Sony has great exclusives because the majority thinks so is an appeal to popularity, which is a fallacy. Majority opinion is not more valuable than minority opinion.Opinions can't be more or less valuable than another. They can only be different.

We don't have to come any kind of consensus on whether a system has great exclusives. Everybody's opinions can co-exist.

1) I never said there are no great exclusives. I actually agreed that the PS3 has great exclusives, so you fail there. I merely said that opinions/=/objective truth? Why do you feel it's neccesary to misrepresent what I said? Don't you realize that that is dishones? He said opinions=facts and I said opinion/=/facts. When did I ever say the PS3 doesn't have good exclusives? I dareyouto try and find a quote in which I say that.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] wow dude thank you I thought i was losing my sanity here loledo-tensei

Your argument is insane, so it's natural that you feel like you're losing your sanity.

I did give you a concrete answer. My concrete answer is that the PS3 has great exclusives in my opinion. However, that doesn't give me the right to proclaim my opinion as a fact which is what you want me to do. I refuse to do that, because that would be intellectually dishonest as opinions and facts are two different things.

I believe that the PS3 has great exclusives, but other people might feel differently. That is the truest statement I can make,

Activision is BLUFFING! They want to see if Sony will really do something about this,and they won't drop support.

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

The "opinion thing" is the truth, so it doesn't get "out of hand".

Saying Sony has great exclusives can't be a fact to "a certain point". Either it's a fact or it's not.

1) Sales are not a measure of quality.

2) Reviews are opinions and nothing more.

Saying that it's a fact that Sony has great exclusives because the majority thinks so is an appeal to popularity, which is a fallacy. Majority opinion is not more valuable than minority opinion.Opinions can't be more or less valuable than another. They can only be different.

We don't have to come any kind of consensus on whether a system has great exclusives. Everybody's opinions can co-exist.

Tragic_Kingdom7

1) I never said there are no great exclusives. I actually agreed that the PS3 has great exclusives, so you fail there. I merely said that opinions/=/objective truth? Why do youfeel it's neccesary to misrepresent what I said? Don't you realize that that is dishonest.He said opinions=facts and I said opinion/=/facts. When did I ever say the PS3 doesn't have good exclusives? I dare to try and find a quote in which I say that.

I think they have decided you stand for all things they are morally opposed to.

Therefor you must think the opposite of whatever they do.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Your argument is insane, so it's natural that you feel like you're losing your sanity.

Tragic_Kingdom7

I did give you a concrete answer. My concrete answer is that the PS3 has great exclusives in my opinion. However, that doesn't give me the right to proclaim my opinion as a fact which is what you want me to do. I refuse to do that, because that would be intellectually dishonest as opinions and facts are two different things.

I believe that the PS3 has great exclusives, but other people might feel differently. That is the truest statement I can make,

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

The "opinion thing" is the truth, so it doesn't get "out of hand".

Saying Sony has great exclusives can't be a fact to "a certain point". Either it's a fact or it's not.

1) Sales are not a measure of quality.

2) Reviews are opinions and nothing more.

Saying that it's a fact that Sony has great exclusives because the majority thinks so is an appeal to popularity, which is a fallacy. Majority opinion is not more valuable than minority opinion.Opinions can't be more or less valuable than another. They can only be different.

We don't have to come any kind of consensus on whether a system has great exclusives. Everybody's opinions can co-exist.

1)As for your point about System Wars, just because fanboys are intolerant of eachother's opinions doesn't mean that opinions can't co-exist.Thinking opinion=fact is fanboy zealotry of the kind that most people avoid, because it's silly.

2) I didn't say we shouldn't come to aconsensus on importantmoralissues.Humans have an interest in coming to a consensus when it comes to somemoral laws.No such interest exists for something as trivial as video games. Still, we come to a consensus based on the needs of our society. That does not make morals facts. Morals are subjective in nature. It's just that certain morals lead to better results and thus we adopt them.

Now what does this have to with games?

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="TroyM1"]Didnt I tell you team Ico Duh thats not friggin sony

TroyM1

Team Ico is the name of the team under working under Sony Computer Entertainment Japan's Product Development Department #1

OK. I actually am going to get into this argument:

How are they not a 1rst party developer? Sony may be the publisher, but that doesn't mean that Teach Ico is not a first party developer under Sony. You're creating an falseeither/or situation.

None of our opinions are facts. Anyone who said that opinion of someone is truth and facts is an ethnocentric who only believes what he wants to believes reagrdless of facts and evidence. We all talk about game quality, and how the games are rated.

However, no matter how you guys spins it, the question of game quality is always will SUBJECTIVE, and was never and will never be OBJECTIVE. This is the thinking of elitist gamers who thinks that their belief in gaming is absolute without realizing that there are a lot of type of gamers like casuals and hardcores. Elitist gamers does not even represent the largest market of gaming yet they demanded too much to the point that it caused the 3rd party developers into financial trouble.

Please, some of you guys call yourself hardcore gamers but bashes other systems especially the Wii, which is a true hardcore gamer also appreciates. There is a difference between hardcore gamers and elitist fanboys, that is hardcore gaming takes all kind of gaming and appreciates it, fanboys just rant against other console they don't own because they feel insecure of their console purchase.

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

The "opinion thing" is the truth, so it doesn't get "out of hand".

Saying Sony has great exclusives can't be a fact to "a certain point". Either it's a fact or it's not.

1) Sales are not a measure of quality.

2) Reviews are opinions and nothing more.

Saying that it's a fact that Sony has great exclusives because the majority thinks so is an appeal to popularity, which is a fallacy. Majority opinion is not more valuable than minority opinion.Opinions can't be more or less valuable than another. They can only be different.

We don't have to come any kind of consensus on whether a system has great exclusives. Everybody's opinions can co-exist.

Tragic_Kingdom7

1) I never said there are no great exclusives. I actually agreed that the PS3 has great exclusives, so you fail there. I merely said that opinions/=/objective truth? Why do you feel it's neccesary to misrepresent what I said? Don't you realize that that is dishones? He said opinions=facts and I said opinion/=/facts. When did I ever say the PS3 doesn't have good exclusives? I dareyouto try and find a quote in which I say that.

[QUOTE="TroyM1"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Team Ico is the name of the team under working under Sony Computer Entertainment Japan's Product Development Department #1

Tragic_Kingdom7

OK. I actually am going to get into this argument:

How are they not a 1rst party developer? Sony may be the publisher, but that doesn't mean that Teach Ico is not a first party developer under Sony. You're creating an falseeither/or situation.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="TroyM1"]ok wow they have a #1 im so sorry tell me the other in house dev teams. in house not 1st party smarty

TroyM1

OK. I actually am going to get into this argument:

How are they not a 1rst party developer? Sony may be the publisher, but that doesn't mean that Teach Ico is not a first party developer under Sony. You're creating an falseeither/or situation.

Like SONY Santa Monica Studios that created GOD OF WAR?It's not a SONY PROPERTY if SONY's name isn't all over it?

Like how PEPSI owns TACOBELL and DORITOS and MOUNTAIN DEW?

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] but in reality they don't so we have places like sw, didn't you know? And comming to a general concesus in life and it's different aspects is the way we survive as societies, just saying because everything would be chaos otherwise. Do you consider terrorism an action that can neither be right or wrong because we all think differently so kiling other for that believe is justifable edo-tensei

1)As for your point about System Wars, just because fanboys are intolerant of eachother's opinions doesn't mean that opinions can't co-exist.Thinking opinion=fact is fanboy zealotry of the kind that most people avoid, because it's silly.

2) I didn't say we shouldn't come to aconsensus on importantmoralissues.Humans have an interest in coming to a consensus when it comes to somemoral laws.No such interest exists for something as trivial as video games. Still, we come to a consensus based on the needs of our society. That does not make morals facts. Morals are subjective in nature. It's just that certain morals lead to better results and thus we adopt them.

Now what does this have to with games?

I did come to a conclusion. I said that Sony's exclusives were good. But that doesn't mean I don't allow for difference of opinion. Proclaiming one's opinion as a fact is not allowing for difference of opinion. In my mind, Sony's exclusives are good. That's as far as I can go with that.

And it's pretty rich of you to call those people self-centered for having an opinion. Just because they might not think a game has good elements doesn't mean that they are not allowing others to think those games have good elements. The only way they wouldn't be allowing others to think that a game might have elements that make it great is if they proclaimed their opinions as facts.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"] then it must suck being in this forums then. people here say great exclusives left right and center, so you gonna school them on how opinions are not fact? Maybe start a thread about it? Or is this just a rant against edo-tensei? Since you have been quoting him quite alot even the posts not related to the subject. And when you say that there are no great exclusives, that is YOUR OPINION on the matter. This opinion thing goes both ways.exiledsnake

1) I never said there are no great exclusives. I actually agreed that the PS3 has great exclusives, so you fail there. I merely said that opinions/=/objective truth? Why do you feel it's neccesary to misrepresent what I said? Don't you realize that that is dishones? He said opinions=facts and I said opinion/=/facts. When did I ever say the PS3 doesn't have good exclusives? I dareyouto try and find a quote in which I say that.

Actually, I do feel there are great exclusives. After all, that is my opinion, is it not? My opinion=what I believe=what I feel.

Why do I have to call my opinion a fact for me to genuinely believe it?

IS ACTIVISION run by the OFFICE'S MICHAEL SCOTT?

ACTIVISION would cut SONY's Platforms, huh? PSP, PS3, and PS2.

Let's look at last year, here.

Here you can see that ACTIVISION would lose over $$ 615++ Million dollars counting all three platforms (Probably more, as I took only about 25% from the handhelds for PSP) and the PS3 alone ACTIVISION would lose 241 Million dollars.

ACTIVISION said SONY PLATFORMS, because they know they couldn't just threaten the PS3 without Sony going back at them, so they would cut ALL OF SONY's PLATFORMS :

Look at that, just the PS2 and PS3 alone account for 525 Million.

This is obviously just ACTIVISION throwing around their weight as big shots in an attempt to sell more software in these hard economic times.

I don't know what is the real reason behind this threat because.

1- what if the price cut didn't sell the console?

Sony losing their business for the sake of a price cut threat :?

2- 40k-50k monthly difference in NA sales between the 360 and PS3 is not gonna make Sony cut the price anytime soon.

3- $100 price cut gonna upset the Blu-ray player market, Samsung and other companies gonna go crazy because the PS3 would be the cheapest Blu-Ray player and the Blu-ray players on the market would have lower sales because of the that.

4- $50 is the most plausible price cut and I think Sony going to announce it later this year regardless of what pressure they are in.

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OK. I actually am going to get into this argument:

How are they not a 1rst party developer? Sony may be the publisher, but that doesn't mean that Teach Ico is not a first party developer under Sony. You're creating an falseeither/or situation.

SolidTy

Like SONY Santa Monica Studios that created GOD OF WAR?It's not a SONY PROPERTY if SONY's name isn't all over it?

Like how PEPSI owns TACOBELL and DORITOS and MOUNTAIN DEW?

I don't know what is the real reason behind this threat because.

1- what if the price cut didn't sell the console?

Sony losing their business for the sake of a price cut threat :?

2- 40k-50k monthly difference in NA sales between the 360 and PS3 is not gonna make Sony cut the price anytime soon.

3- $100 price cut gonna upset the Blu-ray player market, Samsung and other companies gonna go crazy because the PS3 would be the cheapest Blu-Ray player and the Blu-ray players on the market would have lower sales because of the that.

4- $50 is the most plausible price cut and I think Sony going to announce it later this year regardless of what pressure they are in.

HAZE-Unit

Sony needs to cut it more than 50$. They really need a strong price cut. 100$ would be way better.

I don't know what is the real reason behind this threat because.

1- what if the price cut didn't sell the console?

Sony losing their business for the sake of a price cut threat :?

2- 40k-50k monthly difference in NA sales between the 360 and PS3 is not gonna make Sony cut the price anytime soon.

3- $100 price cut gonna upset the Blu-ray player market, Samsung and other companies gonna go crazy because the PS3 would be the cheapest Blu-Ray player and the Blu-ray players on the market would have lower sales because of the that.

4- $50 is the most plausible price cut and I think Sony going to announce it later this year regardless of what pressure they are in.

HAZE-Unit