An exclusive game is still an exclusive even if its on the PC

http://www.ehpdesigns.com/News/print/sid=32.html

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Of the 76 million video chips expected to be sold by the end of 2007, only about 16 million will be DX10 compatible, according to Dean McCarron, principle analyst at Mercury Research. Yet DX10 chips should account for about half of $2.2 billion graphics chip market this year, added McCarron, whose figures don't reflect the massive integrated graphics chip market."

i doubt it....
First and for most... FEW people are buying pc's now a days. They are buying notebooks... ON TOP OF THAT, your average consumer is going to click the intel extreme graphics option for their notebook instead of the nvidia or ati card.

And last... go to a setting where you would see plenty of casuals or non gamers.... For example i currently work at radio shack... My fellow employees and I always have casual conversations about video games, sports, girls etc.... They know about halo 3, they know about the games on the ps3 and the 360, but they have no damn clue what the hell hellgate london is or what crysis is(two of the biggest games comming for the pc). They also have no damn clue what direct x 10 is.

There are more casuals than hardcore gamers and none of the care a rats ass what crysis is or what direct x 10 is. If you think pc gaming is a bigger industry you FAIL. Its all about supply and demand, and walking into a eb games store you can see the demand for pc gaming(virtualy NONE). There is literally ONE SHELF of pc games and accesories.

farhan007

Well, while you're basing your theories on isolated personal experience, I'm basing it on the numerous sales numbers in this thread. You don't buy a gaming PC at EBgames. Try again.

Oh, and another thing. Try mentioning "World of Warcraft" sometime.

what sales numbers... look i will admit you are right if you can show me how many directx 10 cards are out there...farhan007

RIGHT above this post. RIGHT ABOVE.

[QUOTE="farhan007"]

i doubt it....
First and for most... FEW people are buying pc's now a days. They are buying notebooks... ON TOP OF THAT, your average consumer is going to click the intel extreme graphics option for their notebook instead of the nvidia or ati card.

And last... go to a setting where you would see plenty of casuals or non gamers.... For example i currently work at radio shack... My fellow employees and I always have casual conversations about video games, sports, girls etc.... They know about halo 3, they know about the games on the ps3 and the 360, but they have no damn clue what the hell hellgate london is or what crysis is(two of the biggest games comming for the pc). They also have no damn clue what direct x 10 is.

There are more casuals than hardcore gamers and none of the care a rats ass what crysis is or what direct x 10 is. If you think pc gaming is a bigger industry you FAIL. Its all about supply and demand, and walking into a eb games store you can see the demand for pc gaming(virtualy NONE). There is literally ONE SHELF of pc games and accesories.

Overthrow

Well, while you're basing your theories on isolated personal experience, I'm basing it on the numerous sales numbers in this thread. You don't buy a gaming PC at EBgames. Try again.

Nope, sorry, halo franchise is not exclusive to xbox for example. I have never owned an xbox and magically I can still play the first 2 games...*gasp*

*queue twilight zone music.*

And if this were the case then I could say EVERY SINGLE PC GAME EVER RELEASED IS EXCLUSIVE TO PC, even if it's out on consoles, but thats not true is it?

Logic of this thread? 0/10

Nope, sorry, halo franchise is not exclusive to xbox. I have never owned an xbox and magically I can still play teh first 2 games...*gasp*

*queue twilight zone music.*

Gangans

What sort of witchcraft is this?!

http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive/g0810/005g10/05g10.asp

"Console games accounted for $4.2 billion in sales, and PC games grossed $1.9 billion. ?

http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive/g0810/005g10/05g10.asp

"Console games accounted for $4.2 billion in sales, and PC games grossed $1.9 billion. ?

farhan007

NPD numbers dont acount for Digital Distribution of games.

Plus, I shouldnt have to remind you, that that number is of all consoles combined....not individually.

http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive/g0810/005g10/05g10.asp

"Console games accounted for $4.2 billion in sales, and PC games grossed $1.9 billion. ?

farhan007

3 consoles got 4.2 billion. 1 PC system got 1.9 billion.

That means, on average the PC got more than any of the 3 systems. Wow. :|

And if the argument is now about sales then we have to discount the GC and the PS3.

[QUOTE="Overthrow"][QUOTE="farhan007"]

i doubt it....
First and for most... FEW people are buying pc's now a days. They are buying notebooks... ON TOP OF THAT, your average consumer is going to click the intel extreme graphics option for their notebook instead of the nvidia or ati card.

And last... go to a setting where you would see plenty of casuals or non gamers.... For example i currently work at radio shack... My fellow employees and I always have casual conversations about video games, sports, girls etc.... They know about halo 3, they know about the games on the ps3 and the 360, but they have no damn clue what the hell hellgate london is or what crysis is(two of the biggest games comming for the pc). They also have no damn clue what direct x 10 is.

There are more casuals than hardcore gamers and none of the care a rats ass what crysis is or what direct x 10 is. If you think pc gaming is a bigger industry you FAIL. Its all about supply and demand, and walking into a eb games store you can see the demand for pc gaming(virtualy NONE). There is literally ONE SHELF of pc games and accesories.

farhan007

Well, while you're basing your theories on isolated personal experience, I'm basing it on the numerous sales numbers in this thread. You don't buy a gaming PC at EBgames. Try again.

look at the top of the page.

you do realise that the great vast majority of gamers are middle aged women who play games like yahoo pool....and guess what...you can only play it on....thats right computers

now thats a different market of gamers but still proves that PC "gaming" comprises alot more people then console gaming does.... besides as long as i can find any game on more then one format (or atleast there are two types of disk IE a DVD9 game on 360 vs a 5 cd box set on PC) means its still not exclusive

[QUOTE="farhan007"]

http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive/g0810/005g10/05g10.asp

"Console games accounted for $4.2 billion in sales, and PC games grossed $1.9 billion. ?

XaosII

3 consoles got 4.2 billion. 1 PC system got 1.9 billion.

That means, on average the PC got more than any of the 3 systems. Wow. :|

And if the argument is now about sales then we have to discount the GC and the PS3.

4...the PS2 is still outselling everything but the Wii.

http://www.ehpdesigns.com/News/print/sid=32.html

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Of the 76 million video chips expected to be sold by the end of 2007, only about 16 million will be DX10 compatible, according to Dean McCarron, principle analyst at Mercury Research. Yet DX10 chips should account for about half of $2.2 billion graphics chip market this year, added McCarron, whose figures don't reflect the massive integrated graphics chip market."

cobrax25

According to the that source its half of the video card market... yet according to my calculations its more that 100% of the market???? Someone is making a mistake here

I'm talking console exclusivity because for us console gamers thats what really matters at the end of the daySwift_Boss_A

And like your individual tastes are greater then the whole picture? Sorry but no. The PC is out there the PC is a viable gaming platform. End of discussion.

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

They're multiplatform.

The term console exclusive is damage control used to eliminate a platform to create some kind of illusionary first place to claim ownage over other console fans.

JPOBS

pc gaming is a small market. console exclusivity is very important considering nintendo, microsoft and sony are not competing with pcs.

in truth, its a double edged blade. a game is not exclusive period if it can be found elsewhere. conversely, the denial of the importance of console exclusivity is damage control also.

And so is the PS3 but we still count its games do we not?

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

http://www.ehpdesigns.com/News/print/sid=32.html

"
Of the 76 million video chips expected to be sold by the end of 2007, only about 16 million will be DX10 compatible, according to Dean McCarron, principle analyst at Mercury Research. Yet DX10 chips should account for about half of $2.2 billion graphics chip market this year, added McCarron, whose figures don't reflect the massive integrated graphics chip market."

farhan007

According to the that source its half of the video card market... yet according to my calculations its more that 100% of the market???? Someone is making a mistake here

Aside from the fact that you pulled that $300 price tag out of nowhere, a DX10 card doesnt have to be $300 to be DX 10 compatible. A $70 vid card can still be DX 10 compatible.

You're seriously grasping for straws here.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

http://www.ehpdesigns.com/News/print/sid=32.html

"
Of the 76 million video chips expected to be sold by the end of 2007, only about 16 million will be DX10 compatible, according to Dean McCarron, principle analyst at Mercury Research. Yet DX10 chips should account for about half of $2.2 billion graphics chip market this year, added McCarron, whose figures don't reflect the massive integrated graphics chip market."

farhan007

According to the that source its half of the video card market... yet according to my calculations its more that 100% of the market???? Someone is making a mistake here

The numbers you gave include only software, not hardware.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]I'm talking console exclusivity because for us console gamers thats what really matters at the end of the dayBlackbond

And like your individual tastes are greater then the whole picture? Sorry but no. The PC is out there the PC is a viable gaming platform. End of discussion.

i agree with the ideal of console exclusivity. JPOBS

If you going to get technical, then yeah.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

http://www.ehpdesigns.com/News/print/sid=32.html

"
Of the 76 million video chips expected to be sold by the end of 2007, only about 16 million will be DX10 compatible, according to Dean McCarron, principle analyst at Mercury Research. Yet DX10 chips should account for about half of $2.2 billion graphics chip market this year, added McCarron, whose figures don't reflect the massive integrated graphics chip market."

farhan007

According to the that source its half of the video card market... yet according to my calculations its more that 100% of the market???? Someone is making a mistake here

cuz even the 8800GTX has to come down in price some time.... and most likely this year considering thats when AMD/ATI debuts their DX10 cards, so its really about speculating prices

PC gaming is NOT a small market. IT is the biggest market, online disrtibution, mmorpg monthly fees etc, add all these toghether and it's bigger than all the 'consoles' put together. Thats why the pc gets the most games in any given quarter.

[QUOTE="farhan007"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

http://www.ehpdesigns.com/News/print/sid=32.html

"
Of the 76 million video chips expected to be sold by the end of 2007, only about 16 million will be DX10 compatible, according to Dean McCarron, principle analyst at Mercury Research. Yet DX10 chips should account for about half of $2.2 billion graphics chip market this year, added McCarron, whose figures don't reflect the massive integrated graphics chip market."

cobrax25

According to the that source its half of the video card market... yet according to my calculations its more that 100% of the market???? Someone is making a mistake here

The numbers you gave include only software, not hardware.

[QUOTE="farhan007"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

http://www.ehpdesigns.com/News/print/sid=32.html

"
Of the 76 million video chips expected to be sold by the end of 2007, only about 16 million will be DX10 compatible, according to Dean McCarron, principle analyst at Mercury Research. Yet DX10 chips should account for about half of $2.2 billion graphics chip market this year, added McCarron, whose figures don't reflect the massive integrated graphics chip market."

cobrax25

According to the that source its half of the video card market... yet according to my calculations its more that 100% of the market???? Someone is making a mistake here

The numbers you gave include only software, not hardware.

[QUOTE="farhan007"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

http://www.ehpdesigns.com/News/print/sid=32.html

"
Of the 76 million video chips expected to be sold by the end of 2007, only about 16 million will be DX10 compatible, according to Dean McCarron, principle analyst at Mercury Research. Yet DX10 chips should account for about half of $2.2 billion graphics chip market this year, added McCarron, whose figures don't reflect the massive integrated graphics chip market."

cobrax25

According to the that source its half of the video card market... yet according to my calculations its more that 100% of the market???? Someone is making a mistake here

The numbers you gave include only software, not hardware.

umm i was soly going off your numbers you provided off of that source.... that source said 2.2 billion and half of it will be directx 10... at the same time they say 16 million sold, yet 16 million x 300(average price of dx 10 card) = 4.8 billion... See the contridiction?

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]I'm talking console exclusivity because for us console gamers thats what really matters at the end of the dayIbacai

And like your individual tastes are greater then the whole picture? Sorry but no. The PC is out there the PC is a viable gaming platform. End of discussion.

to have aviable gaming computer costs about 1500dollars(my laptop can run oblivion just fine and thats how much it cost...well alil cheaper) it would cost about this same to get the "true" next gen experiance... so no educated person should ever use the price arguement

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="farhan007"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

http://www.ehpdesigns.com/News/print/sid=32.html

"
Of the 76 million video chips expected to be sold by the end of 2007, only about 16 million will be DX10 compatible, according to Dean McCarron, principle analyst at Mercury Research. Yet DX10 chips should account for about half of $2.2 billion graphics chip market this year, added McCarron, whose figures don't reflect the massive integrated graphics chip market."

farhan007

According to the that source its half of the video card market... yet according to my calculations its more that 100% of the market???? Someone is making a mistake here

The numbers you gave include only software, not hardware.

[QUOTE="farhan007"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

http://www.ehpdesigns.com/News/print/sid=32.html

"
Of the 76 million video chips expected to be sold by the end of 2007, only about 16 million will be DX10 compatible, according to Dean McCarron, principle analyst at Mercury Research. Yet DX10 chips should account for about half of $2.2 billion graphics chip market this year, added McCarron, whose figures don't reflect the massive integrated graphics chip market."

cobrax25

According to the that source its half of the video card market... yet according to my calculations its more that 100% of the market???? Someone is making a mistake here

The numbers you gave include only software, not hardware.

[QUOTE="farhan007"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

http://www.ehpdesigns.com/News/print/sid=32.html

"
Of the 76 million video chips expected to be sold by the end of 2007, only about 16 million will be DX10 compatible, according to Dean McCarron, principle analyst at Mercury Research. Yet DX10 chips should account for about half of $2.2 billion graphics chip market this year, added McCarron, whose figures don't reflect the massive integrated graphics chip market."

cobrax25

According to the that source its half of the video card market... yet according to my calculations its more that 100% of the market???? Someone is making a mistake here

The numbers you gave include only software, not hardware.

umm i was soly going off your numbers you provided off of that source.... that source said 2.2 billion and half of it will be directx 10... at the same time they say 16 million sold, yet 16 million x 300(average price of dx 10 card) = 4.8 billion... See the contridiction?

it would only be a contridiction if your math was right....which considering prices are almost always cheaper by the end of the year vs the begining of the same year (in terms of hardware) and you are being somewhat liberal about the cost on adverage of a dx10 card

This thread has grown so large for one reason. The term 'console exclusive' is something the lemmings have to cling on to. Without it, they're stuck playing a lot of the same games without the customization options, the superior graphics and control possibilities. Not to mention the higher price for software.

Do what you can to eliminate the platform that's dominating you so you can act like you are in first place. Cows and sheep agree, if it's on more than one platform it's a multiplatform game. Everyone else gets it except for the Xbox fans.

who cares if its on pc.

pc gaming stinks any way.

This thread has grown so large for one reason. The term 'console exclusive' is something the lemmings have to cling on to. Without it, they're stuck playing a lot of the same games without the customization options, the superior graphics and control possibilities. Not to mention the higher price for software.

Do what you can to eliminate the platform that's dominating you so you can act like you are in first place. Cows and sheep agree, if it's on more than one platform it's a multiplatform game. Everyone else gets it except for the Xbox fans.

TekkenMaster606

to be fair every type offanboy has one type of ignorant stance like for cows: sales dont matter of sheep: gfx dont matter (which is atleast is partly true) and lems: (see above) hermits however have to realise that alot of people dont have computers that can push games the same way consoles do.... i do but even then i know ill have to upgrade prolly by the end of the year if i want to keep up

who cares if its on pc.

pc gaming stinks any way.

tree-branch

Why does it stink? Is it because it has the most AA and AAA titles? The most exclusives? Oh and don't even dare say because of lack of sales because you bash Wii all day long.

I'm waiting?

If we can agree that a PC is different then a Console, then I don't see whats wrong with the term Console exclusive.

If some one uses the term Console exclusive in giving a reason not to buy a PS3, then whats wrong with that? Play the game on a PC or which ever console it's exclusive to. Don't spend 600$ on a PS3 but upgrade your PC or get a 360. I could see why some would want to squash the whole console exclusive debate and just lump PC and PS3 vs 360.

I could also make the argument that those who say Console exclusivity doesn't count is a form of Damge control.

[QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]I'm talking console exclusivity because for us console gamers thats what really matters at the end of the dayhyperboy152000

And like your individual tastes are greater then the whole picture? Sorry but no. The PC is out there the PC is a viable gaming platform. End of discussion.

to have aviable gaming computer costs about 1500dollars(my laptop can run oblivion just fine and thats how much it cost...well alil cheaper) it would cost about this same to get the "true" next gen experiance... so no educated person should ever use the price arguement

[QUOTE="tree-branch"]

who cares if its on pc.

pc gaming stinks any way.

Blackbond

Why does it stink? Is it because it has the most AA and AAA titles? The most exclusives? Oh and don't even dare say because of lack of sales because you bash Wii all day long.

I'm waiting?

if the 360 and ps3 have been out for 15 years it would have alot more AA and AAA's.

and pc exlusives arent that great

No....If I can play the same game on more then one platform, then its not an exclusive...simple as that.cobrax25

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="tree-branch"]

who cares if its on pc.

pc gaming stinks any way.

tree-branch

Why does it stink? Is it because it has the most AA and AAA titles? The most exclusives? Oh and don't even dare say because of lack of sales because you bash Wii all day long.

I'm waiting?

if the 360 and ps3 have been out for 15 years it would have alot more AA and AAA's.

and pc exlusives arent that great

look at which gets more on a yearly bases (its the PC)

Well, any game that goes to PC sorta helps MS in the long run anyways.7thSIN

Sony Vaios run Windows.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="tree-branch"]

who cares if its on pc.

pc gaming stinks any way.

tree-branch

Why does it stink? Is it because it has the most AA and AAA titles? The most exclusives? Oh and don't even dare say because of lack of sales because you bash Wii all day long.

I'm waiting?

if the 360 and ps3 have been out for 15 years it would have alot more AA and AAA's.

and pc exlusives arent that great

I'm not in an opinion taking mood today. Fact is good games are the most plentiful on PC. You may say they aren't great in your opinion. But in my opinion, I say your taste sucks. How you like my opinion :roll:

Regardless of whether you think they aren't great, the PC has the most AA, AAA, and most exclusives, period. I could easily say console exclusives aren't all that great too but then I'd be saying something like you.

lol, like the PC doesn't count or something. Maybe in some sort of structured rule system you could have "console exclusives" but in the real world (where I live) it's not exclusive and I will most likely get all PC/(insert console) games on PC. So to me this doesn't work out.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]No....If I can play the same game on more then one platform, then its not an exclusive...simple as that.Spartan8907

As much as I disagree with this statement I can't.

[QUOTE="7thSIN"]Well, any game that goes to PC sorta helps MS in the long run anyways.Hewkii

Sony Vaios run Windows.

Exactly. And no one earn licensing fees off of PC games.

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="7thSIN"]Well, any game that goes to PC sorta helps MS in the long run anyways.TekkenMaster606

Sony Vaios run Windows.

Exactly. And no one earn licensing fees off of PC games.

Yep, that's why they're pushing that whole Games For Windows thing and the craptastic OS known as Vista. They need to make some money off the games somehow if they're not gonna be on the 360.

[QUOTE="Spartan8907"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]No....If I can play the same game on more then one platform, then its not an exclusive...simple as that.Blackbond

As much as I disagree with this statement I can't.

I would've disagreed a few gens ago, but the line between Consoles and PC's has gotten a lot thinner since then...

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="7thSIN"]Well, any game that goes to PC sorta helps MS in the long run anyways.MikeE21286

Sony Vaios run Windows.

Exactly. And no one earn licensing fees off of PC games.

Yep, that's why they're pushing that whole Games For Windows thing and the craptastic OS known as Vista. They need to make some money off the games somehow if they're not gonna be on the 360.

MS doesnt even make any money off GFW.

the whole point of GFW, is that the games that are part of it, are well compatible with vista, and are part of Vista's whole game program.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="Spartan8907"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]No....If I can play the same game on more then one platform, then its not an exclusive...simple as that.The_Game21x

As much as I disagree with this statement I can't.

I would've disagreed a few gens ago, but the line between Consoles and PC's has gotten a lot thinner since then...

very true. afew generations ago console gaming didnt hold a candle to pc gaming..now consoles are rising up against their older brother.

Ok now tell me if I have a crappy PC does that mean I still get to play Bioshock, Alan Wake? :|

Ok now tell me if I have a crappy PC does that mean I still get to play Bioshock, Alan Wake? :|

PS3_3DO

wow,nice one.I would have never thought of that.

So you're saying a game is still exclusive even if you can play it elsewhere? If you don't have to own a 360 to play a specific game then that game isn't exclusive. All it means is that the game isn't on PS3.Lazy_Boy88

so if they realase MGSIV on my mobile phone its multiplat?

Ok now tell me if I have a crappy PC does that mean I still get to play Bioshock, Alan Wake? :|

PS3_3DO

Depends on how bad your PC is. If it meets the minimum requirements, you should be able to bump a few things here and there. If it's a little below, you're going to have to set everything to low to reach a stable 30 frames per second. If it's way below, forget about it.

Gotta love Source's low minimum requirements.

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]So you're saying a game is still exclusive even if you can play it elsewhere? If you don't have to own a 360 to play a specific game then that game isn't exclusive. All it means is that the game isn't on PS3.ApocalypseXIVV

so if they realase MGSIV on my mobile phone its multiplat?

Is it the same game? Probably not. So why would it count? If it is the same game, why wouldnt it count? Its the same game... on another platform.

Besides werent you the one that made a thread trying to aski if PC should count because you want to pretend PC's dont exist in your own little world?