An exclusive game is still an exclusive even if its on the PC

Ok now tell me if I have a crappy PC does that mean I still get to play Bioshock, Alan Wake? :|

PS3_3DO

if I have a console made before the Xbox, can I play those aformentioned games?

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="7thSIN"]Well, any game that goes to PC sorta helps MS in the long run anyways.cobrax25

Sony Vaios run Windows.

Exactly. And no one earn licensing fees off of PC games.

Yep, that's why they're pushing that whole Games For Windows thing and the craptastic OS known as Vista. They need to make some money off the games somehow if they're not gonna be on the 360.

MS doesnt even make any money off GFW.

the whole point of GFW, is that the games that are part of it, are well compatible with vista, and are part of Vista's whole game program.

well yeah, it's a joint thing GFW = Need for Vista.

[QUOTE="ApocalypseXIVV"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]So you're saying a game is still exclusive even if you can play it elsewhere? If you don't have to own a 360 to play a specific game then that game isn't exclusive. All it means is that the game isn't on PS3.XaosII

so if they realase MGSIV on my mobile phone its multiplat?

Is it the same game? Probably not. So why would it count? If it is the same game, why wouldnt it count? Its the same game... on another platform.

Besides werent you the one that made a thread trying to aski if PC should count because you want to pretend PC's dont exist in your own little world?

First is oblivion the same or different on the PC and 360? cause i alllllways here hermits saying its different with everything u can do with it, so 360 oblivion exclusive? or GRAW cause the PC and 360 versions were vastly different, yet no1 will dare allow graw be added as a 360 exclusive.

And yea i did make that thread, and a good amount of people agreed with me, and i still beleive that the PC shouldnt be considered with the 360, wii and ps3, its too unique...is that a bad thing for u? have i ever said anything anti-PC?

pc gaming is a small market. console exclusivity is very important considering nintendo, microsoft and sony are not competing with pcs.

i

JPOBS

Currently it's far bigger market than any next-gen console has, heck even bigger than all of them combined. Plus remove Pc and all you can talk about are US and Japan markets. THe rest of the world, both Europe and continental Asia are dominated by Pcgaming

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="7thSIN"]Well, any game that goes to PC sorta helps MS in the long run anyways.MikeE21286

Sony Vaios run Windows.

Exactly. And no one earn licensing fees off of PC games.

Yep, that's why they're pushing that whole Games For Windows thing and the craptastic OS known as Vista. They need to make some money off the games somehow if they're not gonna be on the 360.

MS doesnt even make any money off GFW.

the whole point of GFW, is that the games that are part of it, are well compatible with vista, and are part of Vista's whole game program.

well yeah, it's a joint thing GFW = Need for Vista.

Not really. Majority of GfW games don't require Vista, only Halo2 and Shadowrun do.

Console exclusivity is a term invented by lemmings to make their consoles look better than it actually is. If a game isn't exclusive it's not exclusive simple as that, what's going to be the next step? Take the Wii out of the equation and call it "next gen graphics and traditional controls exclusive"?

The fact is I haven't bought a 360 yet because I can play most of it's good games on my PC, therefore it does equal in a loss of sales for MS. If you can have the exact same experience on another home platform it's not exclusive, no matter how much you try to twist it around.

Wow, I actually think I was the inspiration for this thread when the TC tried to claim in another thread that the Agency was a PS3 exclusive (I corrected him it was coming to PC too).

Anyway, seems the Hermits have once again proven beyond doubt the fallability of the console exclusive. Since the PC gaming market is just so much bigger, it's irrelevant to discount it and not, say the PS3, since the bigger market obviously makes an exclusive game less exclusive.

Ok now tell me if I have a crappy PC does that mean I still get to play Bioshock, Alan Wake? :|

PS3_3DO

I have an xbox1, can I play those games?

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="7thSIN"]Well, any game that goes to PC sorta helps MS in the long run anyways.AdrianWerner

Sony Vaios run Windows.

Exactly. And no one earn licensing fees off of PC games.

Yep, that's why they're pushing that whole Games For Windows thing and the craptastic OS known as Vista. They need to make some money off the games somehow if they're not gonna be on the 360.

MS doesnt even make any money off GFW.

the whole point of GFW, is that the games that are part of it, are well compatible with vista, and are part of Vista's whole game program.

well yeah, it's a joint thing GFW = Need for Vista.

Not really. Majority of GfW games don't require Vista, only Halo2 and Shadowrun do.

C'mon...I know they ALL don't. I'm just saying they're pushing the "gaming" combination of GFW and Vista.

If a PC is considered a system also, why do cows always seem so keen on using (it's multiplate) when referring to a 360 vs PS3 debate? Take a game like Bioshock, It's not coming to PS3 but still the cows just shrug and say they will play it on PC, but thats two systems vs one.

Bioshock on 360 is a plus, Bioshock on PC is a plus. No Bioshock on PS3 is just another reason not to spend 600$ Thats a negative on the PS3....... . Damage control would say bbbut we can play it on different system the PC. Most Lems don't care if you play it on PC, but there is another game in 360 library and one less in the PS3 library. Don't try to merge the PCs library into the PS3s, they are different systems after all.

I'll take it a step further. A game that is on the 360 AND the PC...is still a MS/360 exclusive. I mean..c'mon...what OS are these PCs running? Linux? No...it's MICROSOFT Windows XP (or Vista).

Either way...MICROSOFT wins.

I'll take it a step further. A game that is on the 360 AND the PC...is still a MS/360 exclusive. I mean..c'mon...what OS are these PCs running? Linux? No...it's MICROSOFT Windows XP (or Vista).

Either way...MICROSOFT wins.

edward2332

I'll take it a step further. A game that is on the 360 AND the PC...is still a MS/360 exclusive. I mean..c'mon...what OS are these PCs running? Linux? No...it's MICROSOFT Windows XP (or Vista).

Either way...MICROSOFT wins.

edward2332

A Microsoft exclusive is even worse a concept than a console exclusive for several reasons.

Microsoft don't own PC gaming, they have a large majority of the market share in the OS market, that's all.

You don't actually need Windows to run all PC games, MAC and Linux do work on many titles.

Microsoft PAYS developers to be part of the GFW program, that sounds like MS is the submissive to me.

So no, Microsoft does not win with PC games unless they develop or publish them directly.

[QUOTE="edward2332"]

I'll take it a step further. A game that is on the 360 AND the PC...is still a MS/360 exclusive. I mean..c'mon...what OS are these PCs running? Linux? No...it's MICROSOFT Windows XP (or Vista).

Either way...MICROSOFT wins.

Danm_999

A Microsoft exclusive is even worse a concept than a console exclusive for several reasons.

Microsoft don't own PC gaming, they have a large majority of the market share in the OS market, that's all.

You don't actually need Windows to run all PC games, MAC and Linux do work on many titles.

Microsoft PAYS developers to be part of the GFW program, that sounds like MS is the submissive to me.

So no, Microsoft does not win with PC games unless they develop or publish them directly.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="edward2332"]

I'll take it a step further. A game that is on the 360 AND the PC...is still a MS/360 exclusive. I mean..c'mon...what OS are these PCs running? Linux? No...it's MICROSOFT Windows XP (or Vista).

Either way...MICROSOFT wins.

lettuceman44

A Microsoft exclusive is even worse a concept than a console exclusive for several reasons.

Microsoft don't own PC gaming, they have a large majority of the market share in the OS market, that's all.

You don't actually need Windows to run all PC games, MAC and Linux do work on many titles.

Microsoft PAYS developers to be part of the GFW program, that sounds like MS is the submissive to me.

So no, Microsoft does not win with PC games unless they develop or publish them directly.

Yes, hence they don't win. They don't own the platform.

A developer deciding to port a 360 game to PC is BAD for Microsoft.

It's nearly as illogical as the console exclusive argument :P

Console exclusivity is a term invented by lemmings to make their consoles look better than it actually is. If a game isn't exclusive it's not exclusive simple as that, what's going to be the next step? Take the Wii out of the equation and call it "next gen graphics and traditional controls exclusive"?

The fact is I haven't bought a 360 yet because I can play most of it's good games on my PC, therefore it does equal in a loss of sales for MS. If you can have the exact same experience on another home platform it's not exclusive, no matter how much you try to twist it around.

tag_001

What do you call a game that will not release on PS3 and is excluded from Sonys console?

If a PC game is releasing on 360 and not the PS3 isn't that a positive for Lems?

If we get rid of the term console exclusivity then you have to throw the term timed exclusive out the window too.

What do you call a game that will not release on PS3 and is excluded from Sonys console?

If a PC game is releasing on 360 and not the PS3 isn't that a positive for Lems?

If we get rid of the term console exclusivity then you have to throw the term timed exclusive out the window too.

demoralizer

The point is, since the PC market is much bigger than any next generation userbase (and even any last generation userbase with estimates of 200 million PC gamers), the game would be MORE exclusive if it actually was on the PS3 rather than the PC.

The whole point of an exclusive is that it's availability is limited so that the system it exists on is more valuable. The illogical nature of this argument states it's better for a niche product to have content on a major product than another niche product.

Similarly, it opens the floodgates to all these other irrelevant terms. PC exclusives would have to exist too, despite them not being exclusive. When comparing a Wii and a PS3, you'd have to call UT3 exclusive, despite the fact it blatently isn't exclusive to the PS3.

Timed exclusive is fine, because it actually meets the semantics of it's situation.

What do you call a game that will not release on PS3 and is excluded from Sonys console?demoralizer

Ummm.. A non-Ps3 game? How do you call a game that is released to the Wii and the Ps2? A game that is released on the Ps3&Xbox360 but not on the Wii?

If a PC game is releasing on 360 and not the PS3 isn't that a positive for Lems?demoralizer

Well, the Ps3 owner might also have a good PC rig, so it depends.

If we get rid of the term console exclusivity then you have to throw the term timed exclusive out the window too.

dem

What do you call a game that will not release on PS3 and is excluded from Sonys console?

If a PC game is releasing on 360 and not the PS3 isn't that a positive for Lems?

If we get rid of the term console exclusivity then you have to throw the term timed exclusive out the window too.

demoralizer

I call the first one a multiplat if - get this - its going to be out on more than one platform. No need to change the meaning of words here.

Ok... Its a miniscule bonus for lemmings. Yet, that doesnt change how a PS3 owner could play the game without a 360. Just like a Lemming doesnt need a PS3 to play The Agency, right?

A time exclusive doesnt change how it will be out for one system for a limited time then lose its exclusiveness. A timed exclusive doesnt hold the same kind of value as a real exclusive, so a good amount of people ignore the weight of the title..... kinda like howpeople should ignore the weight of a PC/console title because its not exclusive.

:|

No, just no.

[QUOTE="demoralizer"]

What do you call a game that will not release on PS3 and is excluded from Sonys console?loco145

Ummm.. A non-Ps3 game? How do you call a game that is released to the Wii and the Ps2? A game that is released on the Ps3&Xbox360 but not on the Wii?

If a PC game is releasing on 360 and not the PS3 isn't that a positive for Lems?demoralizer

Well, the Ps3 owner might also have a good PC rig, so it depends.

If we get rid of the term console exclusivity then you have to throw the term timed exclusive out the window too.

dem

You took my questions out of context.

[QUOTE="demoralizer"]What do you call a game that will not release on PS3 and is excluded from Sonys console?

If a PC game is releasing on 360 and not the PS3 isn't that a positive for Lems?

If we get rid of the term console exclusivity then you have to throw the term timed exclusive out the window too.

XaosII

I call the first one a multiplat if - get this - its going to be out on more than one platform. No need to change the meaning of words here.

Ok... Its a miniscule bonus for lemmings. Yet, that doesnt change how a PS3 owner could play the game without a 360. Just like a Lemming doesnt need a PS3 to play The Agency, right?

A time exclusive doesnt change how it will be out for one system for a limited time then lose its exclusiveness. A timed exclusive doesnt hold the same kind of value as a real exclusive, so a good amount of people ignore the weight of the title..... kinda like howpeople should ignore the weight of a PC/console title because its not exclusive.

We are not changing the meaning of a word but trying to get rid of a term that is needed here to describe a game releasing on just two systems. Mutiplat is too vague. Mutiplat to what, some would say.

It's still a bonus some would say more.

If a time exclusive is known to release on another console, by your logic it's multiplat.

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="demoralizer"]What do you call a game that will not release on PS3 and is excluded from Sonys console?

If a PC game is releasing on 360 and not the PS3 isn't that a positive for Lems?

If we get rid of the term console exclusivity then you have to throw the term timed exclusive out the window too.

demoralizer

I call the first one a multiplat if - get this - its going to be out on more than one platform. No need to change the meaning of words here.

Ok... Its a miniscule bonus for lemmings. Yet, that doesnt change how a PS3 owner could play the game without a 360. Just like a Lemming doesnt need a PS3 to play The Agency, right?

A time exclusive doesnt change how it will be out for one system for a limited time then lose its exclusiveness. A timed exclusive doesnt hold the same kind of value as a real exclusive, so a good amount of people ignore the weight of the title..... kinda like howpeople should ignore the weight of a PC/console title because its not exclusive.

We are not changing the meaning of a word but trying to get rid of a term that is needed here to describe a game releasing on just two systems. Mutiplat is too vague. Mutiplat to what, some would say.

It's still a bonus some would say more.

If a time exclusive is known to release on another console, by your logic it's multiplat.

No, by my logic it's a timed exclusive. Ie, it's exclusive for a time. Then it's a multiplat.

There is no need to have a word to describe a game being released on just two systems, multiplat is a fine word. The issue is not clarification, the issue is fanboys attempting to create situations for themselves where they can make more effective arguments against their opponents.

[QUOTE="demoralizer"][QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="demoralizer"]What do you call a game that will not release on PS3 and is excluded from Sonys console?

If a PC game is releasing on 360 and not the PS3 isn't that a positive for Lems?

If we get rid of the term console exclusivity then you have to throw the term timed exclusive out the window too.

Danm_999

I call the first one a multiplat if - get this - its going to be out on more than one platform. No need to change the meaning of words here.

Ok... Its a miniscule bonus for lemmings. Yet, that doesnt change how a PS3 owner could play the game without a 360. Just like a Lemming doesnt need a PS3 to play The Agency, right?

A time exclusive doesnt change how it will be out for one system for a limited time then lose its exclusiveness. A timed exclusive doesnt hold the same kind of value as a real exclusive, so a good amount of people ignore the weight of the title..... kinda like howpeople should ignore the weight of a PC/console title because its not exclusive.

We are not changing the meaning of a word but trying to get rid of a term that is needed here to describe a game releasing on just two systems. Mutiplat is too vague. Mutiplat to what, some would say.

It's still a bonus some would say more.

If a time exclusive is known to release on another console, by your logic it's multiplat.

No, by my logic it's a timed exclusive. Ie, it's exclusive for a time. Then it's a multiplat.

There is no need to have a word to describe a game being released on just two systems, multiplat is a fine word. The issue is not clarification, the issue is fanboys attempting to create situations for themselves where they can make more effective arguments against their opponents.

Fine ok, then are consoles different from PCs?

Fine ok, then are consoles different from PCs?

demoralizer

Obviously, but they share similar architecture and have large games libraries in common.

[QUOTE="demoralizer"]

Fine ok, then are consoles different from PCs?

Danm_999

Obviously, but they share similar architecture and have large games libraries in common.

We agree they're different, thus the term Console exclusivity.

i agree with the ideal of console exclusivity. JPOBS

I do too. I wouldn't however if PC gaming was as popular as console gaming and it is not. PC does not do close to the same business consoles do and there a console exclusive does mean a huge deal still even if it has a PC counterpart and I don't see why people don't see that.

I mean MS puts Halo on the PC and didn't fight to take it off there, they were for it because they don't see PC gaming is harming their market by stealing possible owners. Im sure there are people who will say hey that game is on PC too but it is not such a huge loss to the affect of MS saying no or doing their best to make sure their games exclusive to the xbox and not on PC.

MS owns Halo yet they put it on PC. Do you think if PC/360 harmed the xbox division greatly and caused many people to not choose an xbox, do you think they wouldn't fight to keep Halo off of the PC for starters?

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="demoralizer"]

Fine ok, then are consoles different from PCs?

demoralizer

Obviously, but they share similar architecture and have large games libraries in common.

We agree they're different, thus the term Console exclusivity.

Them being different has nothing to do with the issue.

I don't think you'd call Manhunt 2 a PS3 exclusive despite the fact the Wii is probably as different from the PS3 as the 360 is from a PC.

This has nothing to do with the differences between systems, it has to do with the availability of software. The point is, when you can only attain software on one medium, it's exclusive. Can't be had elsewhere. Intrisically raises the value of the system.

When it can be got elsewhere, it isn't exclusive. And as I've said, PC is the WORST system to discount in this regard, as it is the most common of any of these systems in any household, and the estimated PC gamer userbase beats out the combined userbases of all last generation and current generation consoles combined.

I do too. I wouldn't however if PC gaming was as popular as console gaming

kcpp2b

You may have to rethink your position. According to estimates, the PC gamer userbase is about 200 million early 2007, this dwarfs next generation userbases completely, and even beats out all last generation userbases combined.

As well, the level of highly advanced userbases in this market seems higher than next generation figures, 16 million GPUs sold this year are thought to be Dx10 capable (which also makes up for less than half of all GPUs sold).

[QUOTE="demoralizer"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="demoralizer"]

Fine ok, then are consoles different from PCs?

Danm_999

Obviously, but they share similar architecture and have large games libraries in common.

We agree they're different, thus the term Console exclusivity.

Them being different has nothing to do with the issue.

I don't think you'd call Manhunt 2 a PS3 exclusive despite the fact the Wii is probably as different from the PS3 as the 360 is from a PC.

This has nothing to do with the differences between systems, it has to do with the availability of software. The point is, when you can only attain software on one medium, it's exclusive. Can't be had elsewhere. Intrisically raises the value of the system.

When it can be got elsewhere, it isn't exclusive. And as I've said, PC is the WORST system to discount in this regard, as it is the most common of any of these systems in any household, and the estimated PC gamer userbase beats out the combined userbases of all last generation and current generation consoles combined.

Them being different has every thing to with it.

The Wii is a console. lol

The PC is still a system on it's own, and has no room in a 360 vs PS3 debate.

Them being different has every thing to with it.

The Wii is a console. lol

The PC is still a sytem on it's own, and has no room in a 360 vs PS3 debate.

demoralizer

Them being different has every thing to with it.

The Wii is a console. lol

The PC is still a system on it's own, and has no room in a 360 vs PS3 debate.

demoralizer

Yet, it being different has nothing to do with how they can go to a store, pick up a PC/Console title and play it.

Welcome to System Wars, not Console Wars. If you want to pretend like the PC doesnt exist, please go to anotehr forum of blind fanboys.

Them being different has every thing to with it. demoralizer

No, it doesn't. The whole point of the term exclusive in System Wars is to measure how easily you can use the software, and how valuable each system is because it has a monopoly on that software.

The Wii is a console. lol demoralizer

I know, but it's still very different from the 360 and PS3. You seem to think differences rate exclusivity, I'm poiting out the fallacy in this.

The PC is still a sytem on it's own, and has no room in a 360 vs PS3 debate.

demoralizer

Of course it does! The PC is one of the most common electronic household items in the West. Literally nearly every home was one.

When you start comparing the features of the PS3 and 360, and those features cross over with the PC, it suddenly makes those features far less valuable.

Your not logically answering my questions, you keep spouting rhetoric about differences and consoles.

[QUOTE="demoralizer"]

Them being different has every thing to with it.

The Wii is a console. lol

The PC is still a system on it's own, and has no room in a 360 vs PS3 debate.

XaosII

Yet, it being different has nothing to do with how they can go to a store, pick up a PC/Console title and play it.

Welcome to System Wars, not Console Wars. If you want to pretend like the PC doesnt exist, please go to anotehr forum of blind fanboys.

I never said the PC don't exist. Don't put words in my mouth.

PC and console are different, I don't have to use install codes on my Wii or PS3.

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="demoralizer"]

Them being different has every thing to with it.

The Wii is a console. lol

The PC is still a system on it's own, and has no room in a 360 vs PS3 debate.

demoralizer

Yet, it being different has nothing to do with how they can go to a store, pick up a PC/Console title and play it.

Welcome to System Wars, not Console Wars. If you want to pretend like the PC doesnt exist, please go to anotehr forum of blind fanboys.

I never said the PC don't exist. Don't put words in my mouth.

PC and console are different, I don't have to use install codes on my Wii or PS3.

Welcome to System Wars. The PC is a gaming system. Dont like it? GTFO.

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="demoralizer"]

Them being different has every thing to with it.

The Wii is a console. lol

The PC is still a system on it's own, and has no room in a 360 vs PS3 debate.

demoralizer

Yet, it being different has nothing to do with how they can go to a store, pick up a PC/Console title and play it.

Welcome to System Wars, not Console Wars. If you want to pretend like the PC doesnt exist, please go to anotehr forum of blind fanboys.

I never said the PC don't exist. Don't put words in my mouth.

PC and console are different, I don't have to use install codes on my Wii or PS3.

The PS3 and PC are different. I don't have to use a HDD on my Wii.

See, I can't point out irrelevant anecdotal differences too.

The PS3 and PC are different. I don't have to use a HDD on my Wii.

See, I can't point out irrelevant anecdotal differences too.

Danm_999

[QUOTE="demoralizer"][QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="demoralizer"]

Them being different has every thing to with it.

The Wii is a console. lol

The PC is still a system on it's own, and has no room in a 360 vs PS3 debate.

XaosII

Yet, it being different has nothing to do with how they can go to a store, pick up a PC/Console title and play it.

Welcome to System Wars, not Console Wars. If you want to pretend like the PC doesnt exist, please go to anotehr forum of blind fanboys.

I never said the PC don't exist. Don't put words in my mouth.

PC and console are different, I don't have to use install codes on my Wii or PS3.

Welcome to System Wars. The PC is a gaming system. Dont like it? GTFO.

lol the anger

PC and console different no?

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

The PS3 and PC are different. I don't have to use a HDD on my Wii.

See, I can't point out irrelevant anecdotal differences too.

Teufelhuhn

This is like pulling teeth, eh?

Nah, this is more painful.

The term console exclusive isn't going any where deal with it.demoralizer

Actually, System Wars has voted it down repeatedly, and then reacted and laughed at any fanboy who used it since.

It'll probably never stopped being used, but at least it'll always be an anathema and a way to identify the unintelligent fanboys.

I just don't see why people say "console exclusivity". That term only means anything in a structured environment of rules (like System Wars Forums for example). In the real world if I want I can play Bioshock on my 360 or my PC. The term just doesn't really mean anything IMO.MikeE21286

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]I just don't see why people say "console exclusivity". That term only means anything in a structured environment of rules (like System Wars Forums for example). In the real world if I want I can play Bioshock on my 360 or my PC. The term just doesn't really mean anything IMO.Teufelhuhn

Very True.