And some people thought Deus Ex:HR was going to be "consolized"

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#1 AiurProtoss
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this is awesome, its basically Deus Ex original on massive awesome juice.

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#2 Yangire
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So what makes this not consolized?

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It looks good as a FPS title but I feel like it's lacking something as a Deus Ex title.

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So what makes this not consolized?

Yangire

Better question.. what makes it consolized?

Looks just as diverse as the original.

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So what makes this not consolized?

Yangire

The menus looked somewhat over-crowded. Maybe that's what he's referring to :lol:

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What determines whether a game has become consolized or not? I hear people talking about the games being dumbed down but i need some examples to see for myself

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#7 AiurProtoss
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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

So what makes this not consolized?

Wasdie

Better question.. what makes it consolized?

Looks just as diverse as the original.

that is my point, jsut look at the upgrade tree, and all the hacking stuff, looks absolutely awesome.

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#8 Yangire
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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

So what makes this not consolized?

Wasdie

Better question.. what makes it consolized?

Looks just as diverse as the original.

Regenerating health, instakill melee attacks, popamole gameplay, and level scaling. I bet I could think of more if I was actually following this game.

I also heard the levels are more linear, but I don't care enough to look for a source.

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looks like it has the art style of fear

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#10 AiurProtoss
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

So what makes this not consolized?

Yangire

Better question.. what makes it consolized?

Looks just as diverse as the original.

Regenerating health, instakill melee attacks, popamole gameplay, and level scaling. I bet I could think of more if I was actually following this game.

I also heard the levels are more linear, but I don't care enough to look for a source.

well i guess you can jsut miss out then and I can enjoy the game.

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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Better question.. what makes it consolized?

Looks just as diverse as the original.

AiurProtoss

Regenerating health, instakill melee attacks, popamole gameplay, and level scaling. I bet I could think of more if I was actually following this game.

I also heard the levels are more linear, but I don't care enough to look for a source.

well i guess you can jsut miss out then and I can enjoy the game.

It has no Lockpicks/Multitools, At least they kept the way your hold and combine weapons together.

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looks like it has the art style of fear

edinsftw

Really? It reminds me of Perfect Dark 64 :).

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[QUOTE="AiurProtoss"]

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

Regenerating health, instakill melee attacks, popamole gameplay, and level scaling. I bet I could think of more if I was actually following this game.

I also heard the levels are more linear, but I don't care enough to look for a source.

Ikuto_Tsukiyomi

well i guess you can jsut miss out then and I can enjoy the game.

It has no Lockpicks/Multitools

Really? Well that´s a damn shame...

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The only thing you did is prove that it is butchered with dumbing down for the consoles. This game has nothing on the original Deus Ex if anything it is the bastard child of the series.

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looks like it has the art style of fear

edinsftw

I get a Blade Runner (movie) vibe from it.

Also, could the PC version be the new graphics kind? 'Cause damn it looks pretty damn slick.

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I will wait to play the real game to see if it has been consolized or not. I am expecting the same amount of freedom of the first (Being able to go fully stealth, literally more than 5 ways to finish a level)
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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Better question.. what makes it consolized?

Looks just as diverse as the original.

AiurProtoss

Regenerating health, instakill melee attacks, popamole gameplay, and level scaling. I bet I could think of more if I was actually following this game.

I also heard the levels are more linear, but I don't care enough to look for a source.

well i guess you can jsut miss out then and I can enjoy the game.

you do realize that not only did you not counter his argument right?

if you were not ready to counter argue why did you create a thread about the consolization of Deus Ex?

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[QUOTE="Ikuto_Tsukiyomi"]

[QUOTE="AiurProtoss"]

well i guess you can jsut miss out then and I can enjoy the game.

Arach666

It has no Lockpicks/Multitools

Really? Well that´s a damn shame...

Yeah, according to the Dev's they removed them to make hacking "More important and deeper" so Multitool and the Lockpicks had to go.

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The only thing you did is prove that it is butchered with dumbing down for the consoles. This game has nothing on the original Deus Ex if anything it is the bastard child of the series.

loadedboon
That would be invisible war. From what I've seen HR is a perfect combination of what made the original so good, and the fresh elements that would appeal to modern gamers.
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[QUOTE="AiurProtoss"]

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

Regenerating health, instakill melee attacks, popamole gameplay, and level scaling. I bet I could think of more if I was actually following this game.

I also heard the levels are more linear, but I don't care enough to look for a source.

Ikuto_Tsukiyomi

well i guess you can jsut miss out then and I can enjoy the game.

It has no Lockpicks/Multitools, At least they kept the way your hold and combine weapons together.

wait what? seriously? Even Invisible war had multitools

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[QUOTE="Ikuto_Tsukiyomi"]

[QUOTE="AiurProtoss"]

well i guess you can jsut miss out then and I can enjoy the game.

ohthemanatee

It has no Lockpicks/Multitools, At least they kept the way your hold and combine weapons together.

wait what? seriously? Even Invisible war had multitools

It´s the last streamlining step,first you had multis and lockpicks,then only multis,now you get none.

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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

The only thing you did is prove that it is butchered with dumbing down for the consoles. This game has nothing on the original Deus Ex if anything it is the bastard child of the series.

GeneralShowzer

That would be invisible war. From what I've seen HR is a perfect combination of what made the original so good, and the fresh elements that would appeal to modern gamers.

No invisible war is now promoted to the sisterthe series the new Dues Ex game is just a product of incest between the original and invisible war.

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[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="Ikuto_Tsukiyomi"]

It has no Lockpicks/Multitools

Ikuto_Tsukiyomi

Really? Well that´s a damn shame...

Yeah, according to the Dev's they removed them to make hacking "More important and deeper" so Multitool and the Lockpicks had to go.

Lockpicks and multitools were kinda crap in the original anyway. You just stood there pressing a button to expend X amount of them until hey presto! The lock/device pops open. A skill based minigame would be better imo.
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[QUOTE="Ikuto_Tsukiyomi"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] Really? Well that´s a damn shame...

locopatho

Yeah, according to the Dev's they removed them to make hacking "More important and deeper" so Multitool and the Lockpicks had to go.

Lockpicks and multitools were kinda crap in the original anyway. You just stood there pressing a button to expend X amount of them until hey presto! The lock/device pops open. A skill based minigame would be better imo.

I dont think I have ever enjoyed lock picking in a game. It feels like unneccessary punishment when you don thave them, and its not fun to do.

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The only thing you did is prove that it is butchered with dumbing down for the consoles. This game has nothing on the original Deus Ex if anything it is the bastard child of the series.

loadedboon

and yet you havn't played the game, i guess you can miss out as well.

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That trailer just made it the first game I will buy in 2011.
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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

The only thing you did is prove that it is butchered with dumbing down for the consoles. This game has nothing on the original Deus Ex if anything it is the bastard child of the series.

AiurProtoss

and yet you havn't played the game, i guess you can miss out as well.

And you have? :?

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

So what makes this not consolized?

Yangire

Better question.. what makes it consolized?

Looks just as diverse as the original.

Regenerating health, instakill melee attacks, popamole gameplay, and level scaling. I bet I could think of more if I was actually following this game.

I also heard the levels are more linear, but I don't care enough to look for a source.

Is all that stuff really considered consolization? Or are you joking?
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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

The only thing you did is prove that it is butchered with dumbing down for the consoles. This game has nothing on the original Deus Ex if anything it is the bastard child of the series.

AiurProtoss

and yet you havn't played the game, i guess you can miss out as well.

I won't miss out on anything since I can play the game the way its meant to be played aka Deus Ex.

You seem to have low standards that's fine but don't go around spreading lies that the game is deep and complex because it isn't.

It was made with consoles in mind and they don't mix well with deep and complex gameplay.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Ikuto_Tsukiyomi"]

Yeah, according to the Dev's they removed them to make hacking "More important and deeper" so Multitool and the Lockpicks had to go.

NaveedLife

Lockpicks and multitools were kinda crap in the original anyway. You just stood there pressing a button to expend X amount of them until hey presto! The lock/device pops open. A skill based minigame would be better imo.

I dont think I have ever enjoyed lock picking in a game. It feels like unneccessary punishment when you don thave them, and its not fun to do.

Unless like Bioshock you can specialise in lock picking which would make it much easier... That'd be good.
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I think it looks like a console game tbh. Kinda looks like that wanted game.

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[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

looks like it has the art style of fear

NaveedLife

Really? It reminds me of Perfect Dark 64 :).

The enemies almost look exactly like the enemies from fear and the gunplay looks like it has the same feel.

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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

looks like it has the art style of fear

edinsftw

Really? It reminds me of Perfect Dark 64 :).

The enemies almost look exactly like the enemies from fear and the gunplay looks like it has the same feel.

Is that a Pro or a con? I've played a small ammount of fear. But Not enough to understand if the gunplay was bad. I found it nice.

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#34 AiurProtoss
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[QUOTE="AiurProtoss"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

The only thing you did is prove that it is butchered with dumbing down for the consoles. This game has nothing on the original Deus Ex if anything it is the bastard child of the series.

Ikuto_Tsukiyomi

and yet you havn't played the game, i guess you can miss out as well.

And you have? :?

im not saying the game is a "bastard child", people are making comments as if they played the game And im saying from the looks of the trailer the game looks awesome. People it seems jus dont want to enjoy the game based on its own merits they have to jsut whine and complain about everything and then say "waaa its consolized becasue im butthurt and waaa and waa" i mean really.

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[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Really? It reminds me of Perfect Dark 64 :).

Ikuto_Tsukiyomi

The enemies almost look exactly like the enemies from fear and the gunplay looks like it has the same feel.

Is that a Pro or a con? I've played a small ammount of fear. But Not enough to understand if the gunplay was bad. I found it nice.

It was good, when fear came out it was awsome. It didnt have regenerating health so it was also awsome.

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[QUOTE="AiurProtoss"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

The only thing you did is prove that it is butchered with dumbing down for the consoles. This game has nothing on the original Deus Ex if anything it is the bastard child of the series.

loadedboon

and yet you havn't played the game, i guess you can miss out as well.

I won't miss out on anything since I can play the game the way its meant to be played aka Deus Ex.

You seem to have low standards that's fine but don't go around spreading lies that the game is deep and complex because it isn't.

It was made with consoles in mind and they don't mix well with deep and complex gameplay.

Now, i consider Deus Ex to be one of THE greatest games of all times, i always have the game on my HDD, playing it from time to time, using various mods.

But don't be quick to judge Deus Ex: HR, very foolish thing to do, since you haven't played it, neither is it released yet so we could dwelve a bit into its features, which i doubt we have a basic understanding at this point.. Wait, a little longer.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

So what makes this not consolized?

AiurProtoss

Better question.. what makes it consolized?

Looks just as diverse as the original.

that is my point, jsut look at the upgrade tree, and all the hacking stuff, looks absolutely awesome.

You probably would/did ( insert sexual ecstasy here ) when you saw FFX tree?

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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="AiurProtoss"]

and yet you havn't played the game, i guess you can miss out as well.

Lucianu

I won't miss out on anything since I can play the game the way its meant to be played aka Deus Ex.

You seem to have low standards that's fine but don't go around spreading lies that the game is deep and complex because it isn't.

It was made with consoles in mind and they don't mix well with deep and complex gameplay.

Now, i consider Deus Ex to be one of THE greatest games of all times, i always have the game on my HDD, playing it from time to time, using various mods.

But don't be quick to judge Deus Ex: HR, very foolish thing to do, since you haven't played it, neither is it released yet so we could dwelve a bit into its features, which i doubt we have a basic understanding at this point.. Wait, a little longer.

Like I said it is made with consoles in mind so I don't need to wait to know how the game will turn out.

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[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

I won't miss out on anything since I can play the game the way its meant to be played aka Deus Ex.

You seem to have low standards that's fine but don't go around spreading lies that the game is deep and complex because it isn't.

It was made with consoles in mind and they don't mix well with deep and complex gameplay.

loadedboon

Now, i consider Deus Ex to be one of THE greatest games of all times, i always have the game on my HDD, playing it from time to time, using various mods.

But don't be quick to judge Deus Ex: HR, very foolish thing to do, since you haven't played it, neither is it released yet so we could dwelve a bit into its features, which i doubt we have a basic understanding at this point.. Wait, a little longer.

Like I said it is made with consoles in mind so I don't need to wait to know how the game will turn out.

Yeah consoles never have deep gameplay or anything good on them :roll:.

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#40 loadedboon
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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Now, i consider Deus Ex to be one of THE greatest games of all times, i always have the game on my HDD, playing it from time to time, using various mods.

But don't be quick to judge Deus Ex: HR, very foolish thing to do, since you haven't played it, neither is it released yet so we could dwelve a bit into its features, which i doubt we have a basic understanding at this point.. Wait, a little longer.

NaveedLife

Like I said it is made with consoles in mind so I don't need to wait to know how the game will turn out.

Yeah consoles never have deep gameplay or anything good on them :roll:.

Name me one console game with deep and complexgameplay?

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#41 locopatho
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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

Like I said it is made with consoles in mind so I don't need to wait to know how the game will turn out.

loadedboon

Yeah consoles never have deep gameplay or anything good on them :roll:.

Name me one console game with deep and complexgameplay?

Your own example of Deus Ex 1? :P
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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

Like I said it is made with consoles in mind so I don't need to wait to know how the game will turn out.

loadedboon

Yeah consoles never have deep gameplay or anything good on them :roll:.

Name me one console game with deep and complexgameplay?

fire emblem
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#43 loadedboon
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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Yeah consoles never have deep gameplay or anything good on them :roll:.

locopatho

Name me one console game with deep and complexgameplay?

Your own example of Deus Ex 1? :P

I give you that one since I never played it on the PS2 so I can't compare it to PC version.

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#44 loadedboon
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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Yeah consoles never have deep gameplay or anything good on them :roll:.

dog_dirt

Name me one console game with deep and complexgameplay?

fire emblem

If you think fire enblem is deep and complex I suggest you stay away from X3

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#45 edinsftw
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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Yeah consoles never have deep gameplay or anything good on them :roll:.

dog_dirt

Name me one console game with deep and complexgameplay?

fire emblem

Fire emblem was awsome, but compared to other tbs on pc its not, but i thought it was just the right ammount to be enjoyed.

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#46 AiurProtoss
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[QUOTE="AiurProtoss"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Better question.. what makes it consolized?

Looks just as diverse as the original.

blitzcloud

that is my point, jsut look at the upgrade tree, and all the hacking stuff, looks absolutely awesome.

You probably would/did ( insert sexual ecstasy here ) when you saw FFX tree?

not a fan of Final fantasy after 6.

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#47 NaveedLife
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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

Like I said it is made with consoles in mind so I don't need to wait to know how the game will turn out.

loadedboon

Yeah consoles never have deep gameplay or anything good on them :roll:.

Name me one console game with deep and complexgameplay?

Baten Kaitos 1 and 2

The World Ends With You

Bad Company 2 (I play it on PC though)

Metal Gear Solid 4 (a lot of choices of sneaking, going rambo, tons of guns...sound like anything else?)

LBP (the level of customization in this game is mind blowing)

GT5

Do I need to name more?

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#48 dog_dirt
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[QUOTE="dog_dirt"][QUOTE="loadedboon"]

Name me one console game with deep and complexgameplay?

loadedboon

fire emblem

If you think fire enblem is deep and complex I suggest you stay away from X3

is it scary
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#49 loadedboon
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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Yeah consoles never have deep gameplay or anything good on them :roll:.

NaveedLife

Name me one console game with deep and complexgameplay?

Baten Kaitos 1 and 2

The World Ends With You

Bad Company 2 (I play it on PC though)

Metal Gear Solid 4 (a lot of choices of sneaking, going rambo, tons of guns...sound like anything else?)

LBP (the level of customization in this game is mind blowing)

GT5

Do I need to name more?

Yes because all the games you mentioned are neither deep or complex

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#50 loadedboon
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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="dog_dirt"]fire emblem dog_dirt

If you think fire enblem is deep and complex I suggest you stay away from X3

is it scary

No it would be to much for you to handle since you think fire emblem is deep and complex.

No offence though :)