Another game hyped to be native 4k on X1X revealed to be actually using checkerboard 4k techniques

Thread failure once again. They did have it running native 4K in just two weeks but decided to go this route...

"The decision between native and checkerboard was all about where it saw the “most important gains” in visuals, and checkerboarding left “a significant amount” more GPU resources available to spend on other elements of the game, with improved reflections, higher-quality track shaders, and enhanced shadow precision being some of the visual upgrades on offer."

Coincidently, precisely what MS said they'd do; let the 3rd party devs make up their own mind how best to use the Beastly, Mighty X1X Powah.

/thread. :P

@SecretPolice: "Thread failure once again. They did have it running native 4K in just two weeks but decided to go this route..."

So they compromised that native 4k when they said that 1X was going to have uncompromised native 4k. MS lied anyway you see it. You could also run all games out there in native 4k on the Pro if you want but sacrifizing a lot of performance. Sony also said the devs could choose to do what they want on the PS4 between performance and resolution but that didn´t stop MS from saying the Pro wasn´t True 4k while the 1X was so the same BS criticism they applied to Sony applies to them.

@pinkanimal:

Just sayin, if MS 1st party FM7 suddenly is downgraded to checkerboard you may have a point but I wouldn't hold your breath on that happening. lol

This dev decided it would use that power differently and the game when launched will be superior in every way to the Poo version and really, that's what has cows shook to the core. Bank baby!! :P

@kingtito: I'm still trying figure out how people say the PS4 to PS4 Pro is slightly better, when it actually 2.4 teraflops more plus 1.6gh CPU to a 2.1gh. The X is 1.8 teraflops more than the Pro and .2gh more on the CPU end and the RAM bandwidth went up in both. In real life, the difference from what we've seen from the Pro's power advantage of the PS4 isn't much. I don't think the X's power advantage over the Pro will be any better or even close. It'll be much better in the resolution side compared to the Xbox One, but that isn't saying much.. it's a 4 year old system. Pro also has some built in AMD technology that's supposed to double the GPU performance, but I'll wait and see how that works before believing it.

@SecretPolice:

No, I have a point either way. MS claimed the 1X was uncompromised True 4k unlike the Pro. The Pro and the 1X both achieve 4k using different techniques. So either both are True 4k or both aren´t. You can´t have it both ways. They lied right there.

They also lied if they said their first party would be uncompromised native 4k since Gears of War 4 is not completely native 4k, AKA, compromised.

@pinkanimal:

Again, if they said uncompromising native 4K then why would they need to have stated very clearly, at least to most of us lol, that devs will not be made to bring their games to X1X in native 4K Only. Nope, they said from the start that devs can if the wish and if they determine their game will be best at a lower rez and higher assets, fps or other ways that make the game better in their estimation.

It's win/win for the gamers and devs alike.

@SecretPolice: I think a better example would be Halo 6. Forza isn't exactly a power intensive game. OG Xbox One runs it 1080p 60fps. If Halo 6 is (uncompromised 4k, not dynamic like Halo 5) that'll be an accomplishment. But I've said this before: The system is definitely capable of running almost ever game at 4k, but things will be sacrificed, whether it be frame rate or effects. I think it's extremely smart for developers to use a less demanding technique like checkerboarding (which isn't noticable) and use that extra power in more effects ,etc. Basically what this dev decided to do. I hope for all the Xbox fans sake that MS doesn't push their 1st to be mandatory 4k. So much more can be done with dynamic scaling res or checkerboarding.

Oh so you conveniently ignore what I said... typical

1. They said it was going to be uncompromised native 4k on first party games

LIE: they already had to compromise native 4k on Gears of War 4

2. They claimed their console was True 4k unlike the Pro.

LIE: Both use the same techniques to achieve 4k on different situations so both machines are either True 4k or they aren´t. So either way they lied.

3. They claimed third party developers could do whatever they want with the power.

TRUE: but so did Sony, so this piece of information, although true, makes point 2 a lie.

@joshrmeyer:

What I've said agrees with most of what you said with one glaring issue. seems to me that people are recently trying to downplay a game like FM7 isn't power intensive yet have you seen checker board GTS and the 2D crap fest not to mention the Racing game we're talking about in this thread as well. If so easy why not 4K 60 fps like FM7?

It's been nothing more than armchair devs claiming FM7 isn't as demanding as any other genre of games, it's just a matter of what and how complicated, detailed the dev is trying to pull off in any genre.

@pinkanimal:

Eh, I'm not so invested in this unimportant VG stuff and really don't want to be bothered going round and round with mostly meaningless hyperbole and worthless semantics. Suffice to say, I'm pretty much done and will just end with; I plan on enjoying the Mighty X1X in a couple months, the most powahful gaming console ever created. :P

@SecretPolice: "Eh, I'm not so invested in this unimportant VG stuff and really don't want to be bothered going round and round with mostly meaningless hyperbole and worthless semantics."

Oh so now you´re bored with it when you lemmings have spent all the time since the Scorpio announcement overhyping the thing on pure semantics and shady marketing and making fun of the Pro using, as you call it, semantics. Don´t be a hypocrite, don´t play the game if you can´t handle it and then start whining about it.

@pinkanimal:

What we have here is failure to communicate lol

I'm telling you I don't take VG SW as serially as you and as Martha would say; that's a good thing. But hey, knock yourself out KB warrior, you just may save the VG world some day. :P

I don´t think anybody here takes it seriously but that doesn´t mean you can avoid ownage. You argue with semantics and then whine when semantics are used to argue with you.

@SecretPolice: I'm only basing that off the fact the OG Xbox One runs it so well, and we know how that GPU is. Plus the digital foundry demo where it was running at 4k at only like 80% of GPU used. It's a pretty game for sure. I'd just rather compare a game I know requires a lot of "horsepower" to see how well the X can handle it. As far as GT sport goes, maybe they didn't want 4k with sacrificed visuals? Or maybe they couldn't do it(which is hard to believe... You can dummy down any game and have it run at 4k). They may have decided checkerboarding was the best way to go with the power it had available without losing the graphics. Just speculation but that seems to be what this dev did and I fully support it. To me, the X is much more appealing as NOT a native 4k console(unless it's super simple games). Dynamic resolution worked really well on the Xbox One. Allows higher frame rates also.

You do, El tormented does, quackknight (haha knight of the PS). You guys live and breath Sony and anything negative against MS. You don't have to lie to kick it

@joshrmeyer:

Here's the thing, Turn 10 are up there with the best devs in the biz getting their games to outperform others with their super great coding , optimization and polish whereas another dev would fall flat trying to dev the same game. Give a nod to the dev in this case.

The last part you said I've agreed with from the start. 1440P at rock solid 60 fps with tons of assets and such would do just fine & dandy. :)

Oh look is that lemming who get anal every time someone say something bad about the xbox.

You surely can see the hypocrisy in your post,na i guess you can't...

At least i don't hide it or pretend to be something i am not..lol

Just because you feel physical distress on your derriere when I own you doesn´t mean it´s a serious matter. It´s not that difficult owning a troll like you.

Hahah no kid you take this site serious. You're not trolling because you actually believe the crap you write.

Did I hurt your feelings el tormented? Hit the nail on the head.

Well your writing style always seems pretty butthurt so I imagine it´s taking a toll on your mental health and you can´t see things clearly. Remember when you got confused and I proved you were a hypocrite? That´s the type of mental farts people who take something too seriously and get stressed and mentally overwhelmed have.

You don't have to lie to kick it son. Do you stay awake at nights thinking of what you're going to write the next day or fear more X1X graphics brilliance? I'd say so since you seem to be so invested in this site. It's almost as if you get paid to defend Sony except you don't which is just plain sad.

@kingtito: "Do you stay awake at nights thinking of what you're going to write the next day or fear more X1X graphics brilliance?"

Seems like you´re talking from personal experience kiddo

Call it as I see it amigo. It's ok we all know

Human beings lied? No Way!!!!

What does that have to do with the quote and bold above? Looks like I caught you in a lie. MS didn't make the compromise in this case but you claimed they did. So you're a liar also.

People lie, get over it baby. Its still a more capable, better piece of tech then Sony made.

Relax, that's literally a little girl

However, that isn't the clinical fact of the matter, reduc. The article plainly states the game was in native 4K but devs chose different rendering techniques. Obviously the 1X is capable of native 4k. The Pro is capable of native. I own it and it has some native games.

what? are you playing dumb? you claimed that MS promised native 4k uncompromised on MS made games and I was just showing one of those where they had to compromise. Come on dude, it´s not that difficult.

@pinkanimal:

what? are you playing dumb? you claimed that MS promised native 4k uncompromised on MS made games and I was just showing one of those where they had to compromise. Come on dude, it´s not that difficult.

NOPE. Link me to me saying exactly that, please. I openly admitted they didn't hit that with Gears MP. Unlike you, I am not so mangina hurt by things like this. I didn't go ape shit about "1080p makes you a better gamer"; "PS3 is capable of 120 fps"; "Emotion engine can deliver Toy Story graphics". This is like a personal vendetta for you.

I have maintained and still do, "True 4k" is advertising buzz and salesmanship because at no point have they claimed ALL GAMES WILL BE NATIVE. In fact they have on multiple occasions since E3 2016 clarified not all games would be. Using the term "Uncompromised" while also leaving it up to devs what to do with power is a compromise and therefore a lie. But again, Sony and all human beings are capable of lies. Get over it.

Man you´re a hypocrite. You have defended compromising native 4k on Gears before because, you claimed, MP is not that relevant or something like that. You´re responding to @pdogg93 claim that MS is compromising native 4k claiming that not on a MS made game. It´s above for everyone to see. Are you playing dumb or are you just such a hypocrite? At least man up and be honest

Man do you have reading comprehension issues. He's put it black n white and no where in his post is he a hypocrite. You really sound like a butthurt cow. Like I said you take this place extremely serious. It's like you live and breath for this place...sad....sad....sad

Link me to me saying that then. I never have claimed MP isn't relevant. Its the main thing MS has over Sony. I want proof of me saying its ok Gears 4 MP isn't native because MP isn't relevant, liar.

You obviously don't get what was said. MS doesn't make F1. That is the game I was referring to and the game in the source in the OP.

Watching lems damage control another "native 4k" status loss is amusing, but ultimately kinda painful to see at this point. You say "it's the dev's choice" again and again and again, but the bottom line is here we have yet another game that was touted to be native 4k on the X1X, and now lems have to backtrack and squirm a little. The only reason the game was ever able to achieve native 4k in the first place was because it is a racing game, just like Forza, which is less demanding graphically on the system than, say, an open world game, or any number of other genres. I believe right now the X1X runs one game--one single non-indie game--native 4k 60fps, and that would be Forza 7. After all that 4k hype. Just to be clear, that is the point of threads like these. If the X1X had not been hyped to be a 4k monster, none of this would be happening. You could just say that it's much more powerful than the Pro, and you'd be right, and cows would have to live with that. Instead, though, both lems and MS themselves hyped this thing to the cosmos in terms of 4k applicability. And now they're paying for it.

You've already been rekt once. I see you're trying to damage control that. Didn't work , you just look even more pathetic than you did earlier. Don't worry the pain will eventually go away and then you can go back to focusing on sales because graphics will be off the table.

It's a conspiracy!

If you're not willing to help yourself, then quit you bitchin

Awww pobrecito

WTF?

A) the 1X isn't available yet, so it isn't running anything in reality

B) Gears 4 Campaign is native, Crackdown 3 campaign is listed as native, Shadow of War is listed as native.

You claim Lems are saying its the dev's choice but you are being willfully ignorant to the fact lems are just stating what MSFT has stated since E3 2016. Hate MS all you want sweetie, but don't act like lems are making up excuses. This has already been stated by the manufacturer.

@kingtito: I think this pink person is confused. We have gone back and forth multiple times in past. I was unaware Gears 4 MP wasn't native and learned it wasn't. I admitted that. But one thing I value Xbox for is MP. Sony isn't making anything that gets my headset on. Gears 4, Halo 5, Sea of Thieves (weekly alpha member here) and games to come.

Now its no secret I drunk post, many old timers here can share some funny stories about me. But I'm being accused of something I didn't do. I try to keep it in the NOW. Now as in this thread, I replied to someone saying MS is making compromises all over the place with the example of F1, the game in this OP and source. The devs of that game made the compromise, not MS.

Resolution is not graphics. I actually prefer a lower resolution with better graphics.. Beyond 1080p is fine, improve the graphics. 60-fps is more important.

@cainetao11: "You claim Lems are saying its the dev's choice but you are being willfully ignorant to the fact lems are just stating what MSFT has stated since E3 2016. Hate MS all you want sweetie, but don't act like lems are making up excuses. This has already been stated by the manufacturer."

That's where you're choosing to ignore reality to suit your argument. MS not only stated that devs could do whatever they want they guaranteed that first party games would be uncompromised native 4k so they lied and lemmings are making excuses for MS lies as usual.

Mmmmmmmmmwa.

F1 is not a first party game. Microsoft first party games are at 4k. I agree they overpromised on 4k, but i rather they improve the graphics. Resolution is overplayed in my opinion. Would you prefer to play a drop death gorgeous game or a 4k game that sacrifices visuals and frame rate?

Dude, lems hyped this thing for over a year as being a 4k monster. Left and right, that hype is actively being dismantled. F1 is just the latest example. As for Gears/Crackdown/Shadow of War, targets have been "listed", as you say. Shadow of War is known to not run at 60fps on the X1X. As for Crackdown, who knows. Same with Gears. We'll see. If it turns out they're all 4k60fps, hey, great. But right now it's slim pickens. If anything, that is the fact that you are being willfully ignorant about.

@reduc_ab_:And Cows through it Lems face every single multiplat that was higher resolution on PS4 from Nov 2013 until E3 2016. That's what fanboys do. I've been here over 11 years, this is what goes on. Cows went ape shit over 1.8 TFLOS vs 1.3 well, what did you expect to happen? Now its 6 TFLOPS vs 4.2. deal with it. Not every game will be native 4k, but the machine is being welcomed by more devs interviews then any did for the Pro.

And spare me that BS. Even if Crackdown and Gears campaigns turned out to be 6k 120 fps, you'd have a complaint. Lets get down to brass tacks here. I am a lem and one main reason was instilled in me in my service in the US Army. Sony, Nintendo didn't outfit rec rooms for soldiers on FOBs or bases domestically. MSFT did. They took care of their own, and being one of them fvckin A right I will show appreciation. You're a cow and VR lover for whatever reason, its not my business. I know MS will never get a fair shake from you.

And I already stated the "Uncompromised" comment is a lie. Learn to read.

Horizon is 1080p 30 frames for the PRO and it's an upgrade from the PS4! You need to be realistic.

The Pro sucks. I agree. I don't even know why you're bringing it up.

Yeah, but Tflops isn't the point here. What I'm saying is that lems hyped the X1X to be a 4k monster, and the evidence so far shows that it clearly is not. Having one or two, even three or four big games on the X1X that actually run at native 4k is a far cry from what MS/lems made it seem like early on. As for the Pro comparisons, everyone knows that the X1X is way more powerful than the Pro. Only a hardcore cow would deny it. Doesn't bother me a bit. I think the Pro sucks. I always have; and I've always said so. But that has nothing to do with this. Again, lems dug their own graves with hyping the X1X to the moon and back. And now they have to eat crow. That is why these threads exist.

@reduc_ab_: And compared to its direct rival it is a 4k beast. Or are you suggesting the Pro will have more native 4k games?

You know why not even cows hyped the Pro? Because the announcement of the Scorpio intercepted any chance. Go watch that Pro reveal Sony event again. They clearly talk about it as a 4k ready console. Why aren't any of you upset at Sony?

Dude, do you even read what I type? I straight up said that the Pro sucks. I always have said that. Of course it won't have more native 4k games than the X1X. Never anywhere did I even remotely suggest such a thing. The only reason the Pro is brought up in these threads is because lems are damage controlling the shortcomings of the X1X by comparing it to a lesser console. That is the truth.

Again, the bottom line is that lems hyped the X1X to unattainable levels. And now we're seeing proof day after day just how unattainable those levels are. And lems are being forced to eat crow. End of story.