Another game hyped to be native 4k on X1X revealed to be actually using checkerboard 4k techniques

All I can say is that both the PS4 pro, and the X1X were completely unnecessary, and simply the result of a schoolyard Teraflops pissing contest. Next time they should focus on the games, not the hardware.

The Xbox One X has two options for 4k. The PS4 Pro really has only one .... checkerboard.

Xbox Haters .... REKT!

The Xbox One X does what the PlayStation 4 Pro does. If they keep calling that "true 4k console", then we should call the Pro "true 4k console" too.

The Xbox One X more 4k than the PS4 Pro, is that better?

Bingo. Both machines achieve native 4k, dynamic 4k and checkerboard 4k on different games. Right now the Pro has 100+ games on native, the X1X will have more no doubt but maybe not so many more.

LOL the reason the Pro is brought up is because of cows like tormentos that claim the X1X is a year late. What is the 1X late to if the Pro doesn't have a place in this industry? I don't care if you claim Pro sucks, you keep generalizing lems when there are a few of us that never said the things you claim. So I'm going to continue to lump you cows in together and bring up 1X's direct console rival, the PS4 Pro.

No just pointing out the obvious you calling one anyone a fanboy or telling them they take this seriously is spot on for the pot and kettle saying...

Come on dude stop this buffoonery.

MS claimed TRUE 4k without compromises,checkerboard and dynamic resolution are compromises.

What MS try to do was picture the xbox one X as something different to the Pro when in reality is the same crap,it is clear as day i quote MS stating how the Pro was competition for the XBO S a 1.3TF machine because they claimed Scorpio was a TRUE 4k machine in the context there were saying it,it was very clear that they mean the Pro wasn't a true 4k machine.

And yes all companies lie and MS also claimed toy story graphics,and claim all 360 games would be 720p 4XAA minimum.

Fact is MS lied about true 4k get over it.

Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......

And you lemmings had been hyping superior version from 2001 to 2013...

You have a 2006 join date stop acting like last gen never happen the jingle on this place last gen was ""If you want the superior version get it on 360"" have you forgot about that my friend?

Not only that those lemmings could see the HUGE GIGANTIC gap in Red dead redemption or GTA4 when the PS3 was 640p vs the 720p xbox 360 version,but since 2013 they can't not see a gap between 1080p and 720p.

Saying cows went ape shit over 1.8 vs 1.3 when for 12 years you lemmings hyped the superior version and even bragged about how the 360 had a patch of grass that was missing on a PS3 version of a game is quite incredible and show that lemming have a terrible memory,is like you people really forgot what happen during the PS2 and PS3 gen.

Lemmings go what they deserved.

@pinkanimal: Just get the fu** over it, seriously dude. Xbox is going to have a more powerful console than Sony... it's ok, the world isn't going to end for you. You don't need to constantly try to clutch at straws to make yourself feel better. They're both plastic boxes. And Sony will have the more powerful console again one day, and everything will be better again for you & you'll be able to sleep at night :)

@hrt_rulz01: First of all stop crying, second of all Sony is not a console.

Lol ok... nice comeback.

^You must be joking hrt_rulz01, my PC has been playing with power since both PS4 Pro & Xbox One X were even born. Both of those consoles are just late to the party. (and yet, still far behind PC)

But still none important, it's still a optional upgrade if power of a console is what anyone desire for.

What I find funny is that if Sony tried some chickenshit antics like calling the PS4 Pro a "True VR Console" they would be howling at the moon. Yet, here we are, the Scorpio is 100% precisely what I said it would be and they defend it to the death, even if that means sacrificing what little integrity they had going into all of this. I think they like being dragged by the company line they tow.

A bunch of lems made the claim. If you didn't, that's fine. I'd think you didn't, actually. You're pretty cool about this stuff, I think. Just like cows, there are some crazies in the bunch with lems. I don't think you're personally crazy, so please don't misinterpret me. :)

And I'm not a cow. I think Sony effed up with the PS4 Pro. It should have never happened. The upgrade is a waste of resources that could have been put to more games. What's more, the Pro itself is a half-assed attempt at faking 4k. I'm in complete agreement with you here. I even agree with lems as a whole on this one. No cow would say this, right?

As for the X1X being a year late, it's kinda true, if only because next gen consoles--meaning the PS5--is likely just a year or two out. But at the same time, MS had to do something, and it was either put out a bunch of new exclusives or go the hardware route and overpower the PS4. They chose the latter.

Anytime you go scavenging around years old post just hoping to find something then posting in hopes of "rekting" someone takes this place seriously. YOU are a prime example of this. I don't care what anyone says once I leave work. I rarely post from home or on the weekends. Do you know why el tormented? Because I don't care what's going on. This is for entertainment purposes only. I literally sit and LOL at cows then I go home and not think twice about it. You on the other hand will post all day staying up late just thinking of ways to praise Sony and bash MS both of which you don't even own their products. You do it on a gaming site when you don't even play games. Pot calling the kettle...ummmm no

Did Sony lie about the PS3? PS4? You over that yet? Didn't think so

So what you're saying is you're butthurt about the POS3 vs 360 last gen? Get over it maybe. Play the victim some more? What was that about you not taking this site seriously?

@kingtito: Lmao... well fu**ing said!

We get it Cows, you are butthurt about losing the power advantage. Stop making damage control threads! LMAO

@reduc_ab_: The PS5 is not coming out next year. LMFAO

@xhawk27: Nah I don't think so either. What I really mean is I think it might be announced next year, with a possible 2019 release. An announcement would make big waves.

So you're expecting a PS5 not long after releasing the Pro? Wouldn't that be a slap in the face for all those that purchased one? IS it because Sony lost the power advantage and all of their cult followers are crying about it?

Even if Sony does release PS5, I wouldn't even buy it! At this point, I rather just stay in PC gaming for life, "PC Master Race" is were I'll have unlimited power at my disposal. If there's one console I'll still buy, it's Nintendo only! PC/Nintendo console is all I'm gonna be doing. For now, I'm still happy with my PS4 :)

@tormentos: Then I say to you what I say to others: file a false advertising lawsuit against MSFT and cash in. We both know you wont because you know advertising terms do not become admissible in a US court of law. "True 4k" doesn't have to mean Native, especially since they didn't start using True 4k until after they already said last June that NOT ALL GAMES WILL BE 4K, qand its up to devs what they choose to do with the power. You cant handle that for the most part they covered their ass and your precious Pro is second fiddle. LMAO

@reduc_ab_: I don't believe you. The proof is in the post history. You spend more posts championing Sony products than any other. I see cow. Its ok.

Dig through my post history. Search out a single instance of me saying the Pro is an awesome console. Go ahead. I'll wait. What you are going to find is countless instances of me throwing the Pro under the bus. I maintain: no cow would do such a thing. You can label me as such all you want, it won't change reality. I like Sony. I like their games, their systems. I like them a lot more than MS, which I don't like at all. That doesn't make me a cow. I don't bend over backward for Sony. When they eff up, I call it out. They effed up with the Pro. It is a half-baked, false 4k system. I have no trouble admitting that. I just want games. That's all I ever want. I like Sony's exclusives. I really do. I always have. So I stick with them. When they spend money in places they shouldn't, like mid-gen upgrades, they take away from resources that could otherwise be put toward more games. That sucks. It is what it is, though.

And you are what you are. Another lem trying his hardest to make me seem like a mad cow.

I'm happy with mine, too. That's why I didn't touch the Pro. If the PS5 comes out in 2019, I probably won't pick it up right away. Might wait a year or so. Who knows.

@reduc_ab_: I never even looked at your post history. Look, 95% of this is trolling, character crap and stirring the pot. This isn't SW from 2003 to 2010. I like having laughs, I'm drunk now and its all in fun. MS are liars, Sony are liars, Nintendo are liars, I have lied, My parents have lied, HUMANS fvcking lie. Who cares, you know?

What do you think my point is. It is not trolling you're talking about, for the most part; for the most part, your words are simply hollow. You say something inflammatory, based on a fictitious accusation, and then hope the other person does not call you on it. When that other person does call you on it, you play the "I'm just trolling" card to cover up the emotion that motivated you to post the inflammatory content in the first place. It's a never-ending cycle on this forum.

That being said, you're right, almost everyone lies. I don't judge you for it, or anyone else. I'm just coldly analytical at times. For what it's worth, I like you more than many around here.

You'd be surprised how many here actually like me, for one, but going further will out certain things. I have a good brain...... a tremendous brain.........possibly the best brain.

I say many things, hollow, of substance, and in between and hope I catch someone. Its fun. There is nothing being accomplished or solved by discussion here. One of the podcasts I listen to had a guy that works for Wounded Warriors project and he deals with both Sony and MSFT on making control applications for my brethren that don't have two functioning hands anymore. He said it best, "nobody cares. Like what you like. Both companies are finally on this page of helping people play games."

@kingtito: "I don't care"

For someone who doesn't care, you sure seem butthurt everytime you post.

Yes because the fact that i a average joe lose a case vs MS a multi billion dollars company means i was wrong.

“I look at [PS4] Pro as more of a competitor to [Xbox One] S than I do to Xbox One X,” claims Spencer. “This is a true 4K console.

Excuse me tell me why exactly the Pro compete with the xbox one S which can barely compete with the normal PS4 let alone the Pro,and what make the xbox one X a true 4k consoles while the Pro is not...

” Spencer points out 40 percent more GPU speed, more RAM, and the speed of storage as the advantages of the Xbox One X over the PS4 Pro, but he also knocks Sony’s methods for getting to 4K resolutions with some of its games.

"When I think about techniques to somehow manufacture a 4K screen like what some other consoles try to do, this is different than that.”

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/13/15790162/microsoft-phil-spencer-xbox-one-x-vs-ps4-pro-interview

If you can't get what MS is doing here is your fault not mine.

It is 100% clear what they try to do,they even say take a shot at checkerboard rendering and dynamic resolution that other consoles do what other console does that other than the Pro for reach 4k.?

You know what happen MS try to oversell the xbox one X power over the pro,this was last year,it is clear they try to sabotage the launch of the pro by claiming true 4k and even implying that the xbox one X would not need any cutting measure to reach 4k,look at how Phill say ""When i think about techniques to some how MANUFACTURE A 4k screen (checkerboard dynamic resolution) like what some other consoles try to do (only the Pro does this) this is different than THAT"".....

Don't be like that dude you are been intentionally naive on this.

Is not the only thing they did to try to make the xbox one X look different to what the Pro is.

About two and a half years ago we started to look at a hardware refresh that we might want to do, which in the end led to the Xbox One S and Scorpio in terms of designs. We’d looked at doing something that was higher performance this year, and I’d say the [PS4] Pro is about what we thought–with the GPU, CPU, memory that was here this year–that you could go do, and we decided that we wanted to do something different.

http://digiworthy.com/2016/10/10/phil-spencer-xbox-scorpio-not-use-amd-jaguar/

This ^^ bullshit which is what Ronvalencia spew for months,is another bullshit lie of MS,when they maked this claim it was obvious that they wanted to picture scorpio as a Vega and Ryzen console and not a Polaris vega mix and Jaguar consoles like the Pro,Ronvalencia defended this quote with tears and pride until DF unveiled the xbox one X and it was clear that yeah the freaking xbox oneX was just a more powerful Pro but with more ram and bandwidth,it has a Polaris -Vega GPU (alto no Vega feature has been confirmed by name) and a Jaguar or Puma with exactly the same modification the xbox one has..

It is clear what MS try to do for months only to end in a pathetic way making a chart of what constitute a 4k screen in their view,Native,checker board and Dynamic resolution (this last 2 downplayed by MS and attacked on sony's console by MS)

So if you want to play naive fine but the evidence is there and MS attacked checkerboard and dynamic resolution on Pro only to tag it as true 4k now.

1. X1X's Jaguar includes translation buffers and lower latency improvements in addition to custom DirectX 12 command processor with programmable microcode engine and clock speed increase to 2.3 Ghz. It was AMD who associated X1X with Ryzen NOT ronvalencia. All I did was a messenger for AMD's POV.

Too bad for you, ARC Survival X1X has PC EPIC settings for it's draw distance with 60 fps target which is more than twice over PS4 Pro's non-EPIC PC version with 30 fps target.

2. X1X's GPU include improvements from Vega non-NCU i.e. MS talks about X1X's 60 graphics pipeline improvements. This is basics that separates DSP from GPU. X1X's 60 graphics pipeline improvements benefits Pixel Engine based effects like Forzatech's wet track alpha effects.

Sony's 8 ACE units and Vega NCU's double rate FP16 feature selections are effectively building another CELL SPUs from AMD's GPU IP blocks for PS4 Pro. Sony didn't focus on graphics hardware on PS3's RSX and didn't focus on extensive graphics pipeline upgrades for PS4 Pro.

PS4 Pro effectively has PS3 approach which is carried over from PS2's Emotion Engine.

The difference between PS4 Pro vs X1X is Unreal Engine 4's bias towards Pixel Engine hardware workloads.

Power difference between X1X and PS4 Pro, I'll answer it just like IBM's Dave Shippy (head designer for CELL and PPE), it depends on software. There's a very narrow path for PS4 Pro's to overcome memory bandwidth bound situation. If you think tiling render on XBO's 32 MB ESRAM (both Pixel and Compute Engines has access to ESRAM) is hard, 2 MB L2 cache micro-tiling render (via compute shader) version is harder. The problem with designing native 3D engine for PS4 Pro is that this specific 3D engine wouldn't work on PS4.

Atm, X1X's hardware approach benefits current 3D engines.

Most of MS's games has 4K native with exception for GOW4's MP with dynamic 4K 60 fps.

4.2 TFLOPS GPU should have effective memory bandwidth similar to GTX 980 i.e. NVIDIA has a proven the track record with TFLOPS vs effective memory bandwidth ratio balance.

@tormentos: Don't cry. If you are telling the truth then do it. You being a person against a corporation doesn't matter. It took 30 people in a lawsuit against Sony to make them accept fault for the PS2 DRE problem. Pinkanimal, MrGowly, Shewgenga, Quadknight are all people I am sure will be happy to join you. If you are RIGHT, as you claim, prove it. Don't be a bitch. Man up and do it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you cant LOL

Which option would you prefer?

384 bit GDDR5-6800 (326 GB/s, 12 GB) with 4.2 TFLOPS FP32/FP16 GPU with hardware optimizations for Unreal Engine 4. <---- PS4 Pro alternative or XBox One X during year 2016.

or

256 bit GDDR5-7000 (218 GB/s, 8 GB) with 4.2 TFLOPS FP32 and 8.4 TFLOPS FP16 GPU. <---- actual PS4 Pro

Remember, GTX 980's TFLOPS vs effective memory bandwidth ratio.

@ronvalencia: I'd prefer you to not talk to me. That's about it.

Against your "Again, the bottom line is that lems hyped the X1X to unattainable levels. And now we're seeing proof day after day just how unattainable those levels are. And lems are being forced to eat crow. End of story."

X1X is an entry level 4K high/very high/ultra settings capable based on MSI R9-390X 1100Mhz or RX-580 and that's without X1X's 60 graphics pipeline improvements and RX-580's memory bandwidth bottleneck reduction.

If RX-580/R9-390X/GTX 980 Ti/GTX 1070 fails PC's 4K 60 fps, then there's a very high chance X1X will also fail 4K 60 fps.

@ronvalencia: You clearly did not hear what I just said to you.

You can't handle X1X being superior over PS4 Pro and you have underestimated X1X's memory bandwidth advantage when coupled with TFLOPS advantage.

My ARC Survival example is not even 4K.

@ronvalencia: For the last two or maybe even three years I've been trying to figure out what exactly you are.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/pachter-factor-e3-prediction-scorpio-at-399-ps4-pr-33393869/?page=1

Exclusive games. Kryptonite to lems. And kryptonite to the Scorpio.

There are games not available on PS4.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/dirt-rally-psvr-coming-this-weekend-33380799/

@crashnburn281: Then you're missing out! This is gonna be awesome!

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/update-ni-oh-has-4-graphical-modes-on-the-ps4-pro--33367035/

And this is exactly why the Pro is the way to go. I feel we will be seeing MUCH more of this in the near future. Bravo, Sony (and devs).

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/rip-ps4-pro-intels-new-70-cpu-makes-pc-gaming-chea-33379317/?page=3

PC has a million garbage exclusives.

Against PC.

@ronvalencia: Um,....okay? Are you the nemesis to the dream warriors? Is this you, Freddy? Are my sweet veins exposed?

Actually it is you who can't handle the xbox one X been superior to the Pro,you have been so invested in defending the xbox one shortcomings that now that the xbox one X is stronger,all you want to do is picture it as something other than what it is.

Is 43% more powerful that is what the FLOP count indicate same Flop count you use for years to claim this..

@ronvalencia said:

PS4's GCN is slightly faster than 7850, which is in-line with "40 percent more power".

Regardless of how big the gap was pixel wise you claim the PS4 was 40% more powerful using FLOP count,now with Scorpio you want to picture the gap differently using pixels instead of Flops some how now the gap is bigger because the pixels is what show the real gap not flops.

And basically this is another of those times where your posting history come back to byte you in the ass.

Is 1080p vs 720p higher gap than 40% yes or no?

ITT:

LOL I love that movie!!!!

but at the time, the team hadn’t made its final decision on whether it would stick to native 4K, or opt for a rendering technique to achieve that resolution instead.

Too bad for you,

PS4 didn't have CPU superiority over XBO. X1X has CPU superiority over Pro.

PS4 didn't have memory storage superiority over XBO. X1X has memory storage superiority over Pro i.e. 9 GB vs 5.5 GB

PS4 didn't have memory write bandwidth superiority over XBO. X1X has memory bandwidth superiority over Pro i.e. 326 GB/s vs 218 GB/s

Any machine that gets closer to GeForce 980 Ti's TFLOPS vs memory bandwidth balance is superior to bottle-necked RX-580. NVIDIA's Maxwell GM200 balance argument has a proven track record.

My "PS4's GCN is slightly faster than 7850, which is in-line with "40 percent more power"." statement was showing W5000 vs 7850 difference which clearly showing CU bound issues for Crysis 2 DX11. Both W5000 and 7850 has the same memory bandwidth with different TFLOPS. You can't handle the middle ground.

PS4 Pro's memory bandwidth didn't scale with 2.3X TFLOPS scaling from PS4, hence your XBO vs PS4 is useless for X1X vs PS4 Pro.

Showing RX-480/RX-580's memory bandwidth bottleneck relative R9-290's 5.1 TFLOPS. Real hermits knows RX-480.RX-580 is memory bandwidth bottle-necked.