Another NX Rumor: More Powerful Than PS4, Multiple Controller Types, HDMI 2.0a/4K, No Handheld, Console Name, More

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#51 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@Chozofication said:

@charizard1605: Yeah I don't know what the hell they'd need an os like that for if there's no streaming functionality built in

Yeah, streaming is really all I can think of :/

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@charizard1605 said:
@emgesp said:
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Nintendo are known for inefficient OS designs.

Perhaps they just have 6GB's allocated, but maybe only 3 - 3.5GB's are actually being used for the OS. I would just be in awe if the final product required 6GB's just for the OS.

Actually, assuming the console has some recording function similar to PS4 and Xbox One, do you think they could theoretically have 3GB for the OS, 3GB for that? And another 6GB for games?

We know Nintendo's stance on recording and sharing of their content (See Youtube). I don't see them implementing a share function like the PS4.

I mean, it's clear they are changing their stance on a lot of things, so why not this too? They already implemented this feature on a per game basis on Wii U with Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros. 4.

How does the share feature work in those games? Can you upload to facebook/youtube from the console?

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#53  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@emgesp said:
@charizard1605 said:
@emgesp said:
@charizard1605 said:

Actually, assuming the console has some recording function similar to PS4 and Xbox One, do you think they could theoretically have 3GB for the OS, 3GB for that? And another 6GB for games?

We know Nintendo's stance on recording and sharing of their content (See Youtube). I don't see them implementing a share function like the PS4.

I mean, it's clear they are changing their stance on a lot of things, so why not this too? They already implemented this feature on a per game basis on Wii U with Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros. 4.

How does the share feature work in those games? Can you upload to facebook/youtube from the console?

Yes. YouTube uploads directly from the console.

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@charizard1605 said:

Yes.

Then perhaps they are allocating a generous portion to that.

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So how many "Leaks" have we had that says that the NX is more powerful than the PS4, and is easy to develop games for? 2? 3? Can't be TOO far off from the truth, if multiple sources are saying the same thing.

Looks like our wishes have come true. Nintendo system with 3rd party multiplats. OH YEAAAAH!!!!

Also,

  • The console has an HDMI 2.0a port, and 4k output is 'theoretically possible'

4K output as in 4K games? If that's true, then it IS the Ultra Nintendo (UNES) (I TOLD YOU GUYS! HAHAHAHA. lol)

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@pikachudude860 said:

So how many "Leaks" have we had that says that the NX is more powerful than the PS4, and is easy to develop games for? 2? 3? Can't be TOO far off from the truth, if multiple sources are saying the same thing.

Looks like our wishes have come true. Nintendo system with 3rd party multiplats. OH YEAAAAH!!!!

Also,

  • The console has an HDMI 2.0a port, and 4k output is 'theoretically possible'

4K output as in 4K games? If that's true, then it IS the Ultra Nintendo (UNES) (I TOLD YOU GUYS! HAHAHAHA. lol)

Nobody is going to be releasing consoles that can render games in 4K natively anytime soon. We will have to wait until the NX 2.0 , PS5.0 and XB2.0 for that.

AMD promises 5x the performance per watt in 2018, so I expect 4K consoles in 2019 - 2020.

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Wii U came out 7 yrs after the 360 and only had 2x the amount of ram for game development. So I wouldn't put it past them to release a console 3 yrs later with only equal the amount of ram as the competition.

That's not good logic because you just compared 2 different things, the memory for games Wii U has to gauge the total memory of the next console.

If you divide the 4x increase in total memory Wii U has over 360 in half, for half the time between releases then a similar increase would be 16gb for NX. Shave off 4gb for the extra year and you have the 12gb.

I was expecting at least 16gb really.

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@Chozofication said:
@emgesp said:

Wii U came out 7 yrs after the 360 and only had 2x the amount of ram for game development. So I wouldn't put it past them to release a console 3 yrs later with only equal the amount of ram as the competition.

That's not good logic because you just compared 2 different things, the memory for games Wii U has to gauge the total memory of the next console.

If you divide the 4x increase in total memory Wii U has over 360 in half, for half the time between releases then a similar increase would be 16gb for NX. Shave off 4gb for the extra year and you have the 12gb.

I was expecting at least 16gb really.

In a perfect world the NX would be getting a minimum of 10GB's for game development and then whatever else they need for the OS.

The PS4's revised motherboard cut the memory modules in half as they switched from 16 512MB to 8 1GB modules. Given Nintendo's love for small form factors I can't see them putting in more than 10 modules on the motherboard. Does anyone know if 1.5GB memory modules exist?

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No backwards-compatibility? Well, guess I'll have to get a Wii U to play the new Star Fox after all.

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@emgesp said:
@Chozofication said:
@emgesp said:

Wii U came out 7 yrs after the 360 and only had 2x the amount of ram for game development. So I wouldn't put it past them to release a console 3 yrs later with only equal the amount of ram as the competition.

That's not good logic because you just compared 2 different things, the memory for games Wii U has to gauge the total memory of the next console.

If you divide the 4x increase in total memory Wii U has over 360 in half, for half the time between releases then a similar increase would be 16gb for NX. Shave off 4gb for the extra year and you have the 12gb.

I was expecting at least 16gb really.

In a perfect world the NX would be getting a minimum of 10GB's for game development and then whatever else they need for the OS.

That should be the case if the system comes with 12GB, it doesn't even need to be in a perfect world its just common sense...seriously if NX comes with 12GB & ONLY 6GB is available for games development,,,that's already their first **** up for NX. :P

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@emgesp: I think 1.5GB exist, but they're rare?

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@charizard1605 said:

Just like the N64 and Gamecube were fake?

That's old Nintendo and they are dead now. Might as well say that Rare is capable of making AAA games.

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@superbuuman said:
@emgesp said:

In a perfect world the NX would be getting a minimum of 10GB's for game development and then whatever else they need for the OS.

That should be the case if the system comes with 12GB, it doesn't even need to be in a perfect world its just common sense...seriously if NX comes with 12GB & ONLY 6GB is available for games development,,,that's already their first **** up for NX. :P

Let's be honest, it's something Nintendo would do lol

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@Legend002 said:
@charizard1605 said:

Just like the N64 and Gamecube were fake?

That's old Nintendo and they are dead now. Might as well say that Rare is capable of making AAA games.

Well, Nintendo have openly stated they are not going to follow the Wii or DS strategy with NX this time around, so expecting a continuation of that seems to me to be foolish.

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@ladyblue said:
@charizard1605 said:
@ladyblue said:

There is no way they get less than 8GB.

PS4 has 8GB...

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@charizard1605 said:

@emgesp: I think 1.5GB exist, but they're rare?

Yeah, if they do exist then the availability is probably on the lower end. I'm calling 10GB's in the NX if Nintendo sticks with their small form factor designs. 12 - 16GB's if the console is closer in size to the PS4.

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@charizard1605: They also stated "a new way to play". It's going to be some weird shit.

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@charizard1605 said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:

April Fools! I'm not believing any of this.

It was actually posted a while ago (and the NX subreddit seems to be on lockdown, so you'd need to be at least a legitimate poster to be able to make a new thread there)

I am really liking the rumors. I'd love to see Nintendo back in it. It'll push the other two and we all win. Shame it might not be BC though. My upstairs neighbor keeps telling me hold off on buying a WiiU. I've been looking into one because I would like to have WW, and Skyward Sword to play at some point. But first up is ALTTP!!! Ordering it tomorrow bro.

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I just love how we all comment in these threads and end up with nothing but bullshit rumors.

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@Kruiz_Bathory said:

I just love how we all comment in these threads and end up with nothing but bullshit rumors.

The thirst is real. We will take any drips that are available.

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@charizard1605: They also stated "a new way to play". It's going to be some weird shit.

Going to guess that has to do with the haptic feedback controls and scroll wheels.

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@emgesp said:
@charizard1605 said:

@emgesp: I think 1.5GB exist, but they're rare?

Yeah, if they do exist then the availability is probably on the lower end. I'm calling 10GB's in the NX if Nintendo sticks with their small form factor designs. 12 - 16GB's if the console is closer in size to the PS4.

Not that this is indicative of what the final design might be like, but the devkit's footprint is larger than the PS4.

@Kruiz_Bathory said:

I just love how we all comment in these threads and end up with nothing but bullshit rumors.

The problem(?) now is that we've had multiple rumors all saying the same thing- where there is smoke, there is fire?

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I am really liking the rumors. I'd love to see Nintendo back in it. It'll push the other two and we all win. Shame it might not be BC though. My upstairs neighbor keeps telling me hold off on buying a WiiU. I've been looking into one because I would like to have WW, and Skyward Sword to play at some point. But first up is ALTTP!!! Ordering it tomorrow bro.

If this leak is true, and it turns out NX won't have BC, I would say get a Wii U on the cheap. Even if it is only going to be a Zelda player for you, it would be worth it!

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@Legend002 said:

@charizard1605: They also stated "a new way to play". It's going to be some weird shit.

And there is a new way to play, they have localized haptics, which I didn't even know was possible, and scroll wheels.

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You're on a roll with this detective work.

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I'm getting tired of the NX rumors. I want something concrete.

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@charizard1605: true, and it reminds me of the controller leak, we had two fake controllers. Both looked just like the patent diagram and they just played everyone by that. I'm not buying it anymore.

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@charizard1605: That's how I feel. I'll be able to get TP, WW HD, BC SS and hunt down Metroid prime trilogy which I loved and didn't finish. A WiiU is definitely looking like a buy at the end of semester during my 2 week break.

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@charizard1605: Isnt the OS designed by a Ex staff member of Apple or MS. I'm sure i read this somewhere on Nintendolife / WiiUdaily.

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@superbuuman said:
@emgesp said:
@Chozofication said:
@emgesp said:

Wii U came out 7 yrs after the 360 and only had 2x the amount of ram for game development. So I wouldn't put it past them to release a console 3 yrs later with only equal the amount of ram as the competition.

That's not good logic because you just compared 2 different things, the memory for games Wii U has to gauge the total memory of the next console.

If you divide the 4x increase in total memory Wii U has over 360 in half, for half the time between releases then a similar increase would be 16gb for NX. Shave off 4gb for the extra year and you have the 12gb.

I was expecting at least 16gb really.

In a perfect world the NX would be getting a minimum of 10GB's for game development and then whatever else they need for the OS.

That should be the case if the system comes with 12GB, it doesn't even need to be in a perfect world its just common sense...seriously if NX comes with 12GB & ONLY 6GB is available for games development,,,that's already their first **** up for NX. :P

PS4 and XBox One only have 5GB avaliable for games, so it would still be technically better, at least. It's possible that Nintendo's just playing it safe and will free up another GB or two later. 8GB for games and 4GB for OS would be perfect for a powerful OS and nice-looking games.

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#80  Edited By PSP107
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@93BlackHawk93:

But hasn't his/her/sources been fakes?

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@emgesp said:
@pikachudude860 said:

So how many "Leaks" have we had that says that the NX is more powerful than the PS4, and is easy to develop games for? 2? 3? Can't be TOO far off from the truth, if multiple sources are saying the same thing.

Looks like our wishes have come true. Nintendo system with 3rd party multiplats. OH YEAAAAH!!!!

Also,

  • The console has an HDMI 2.0a port, and 4k output is 'theoretically possible'

4K output as in 4K games? If that's true, then it IS the Ultra Nintendo (UNES) (I TOLD YOU GUYS! HAHAHAHA. lol)

Nobody is going to be releasing consoles that can render games in 4K natively anytime soon. We will have to wait until the NX 2.0 , PS5.0 and XB2.0 for that.

AMD promises 5x the performance per watt in 2018, so I expect 4K consoles in 2019 - 2020.

I can see that. Makes sense.

Though up-scaled Blu-Rays/movies are a thing. Wouldn't be surprising if games tried that too. I mean, it's possible to do, isn't it?

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@pikachudude860 said:
@emgesp said:
@pikachudude860 said:

So how many "Leaks" have we had that says that the NX is more powerful than the PS4, and is easy to develop games for? 2? 3? Can't be TOO far off from the truth, if multiple sources are saying the same thing.

Looks like our wishes have come true. Nintendo system with 3rd party multiplats. OH YEAAAAH!!!!

Also,

  • The console has an HDMI 2.0a port, and 4k output is 'theoretically possible'

4K output as in 4K games? If that's true, then it IS the Ultra Nintendo (UNES) (I TOLD YOU GUYS! HAHAHAHA. lol)

Nobody is going to be releasing consoles that can render games in 4K natively anytime soon. We will have to wait until the NX 2.0 , PS5.0 and XB2.0 for that.

AMD promises 5x the performance per watt in 2018, so I expect 4K consoles in 2019 - 2020.

I can see that. Makes sense.

Though up-scaled Blu-Rays/movies are a thing. Wouldn't be surprising if games tried that too. I mean, it's possible to do, isn't it?

All 4K televisions upscale 1080p content, but its still 1080p native content.

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I hope their online system isn't terrible on the next console, and I also hope they utilize it for all their games. None of their poor reasoning like "This game was designed to be played couch co-op"... I mean, that's great and all, but I have friends that don't live on my couch, or within 500 miles of my couch. Let me play with them too.

I don't care too much about anything else really.

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@charizard1605 said:

Again, sounds promising... but waiting for official info obviously.

Although no backwards compatibility is disappointing.

This is actually the best thing they could have done, sticking to PowerPC again would have been suicide.

Yeah maybe... still would've liked to have it.

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I would just like to point out that "missions" is exactly what Miitomo launched with today. Could corroborate this, and if they're tying achievements into actual rewards, fucking ace.

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So many rumors haha, this E3 is gonna be a bloodbath! Hope this is true, even though it means a more careful Nintendo. Zelda maxed out for this beast would be yummy!

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@charizard1605: Hello, Polaris i.e. hint HDMI 2.0a...

Current GCNs doesn't support HDMI 2.0a without an active DP1.2/1.3 to HDMI 2.0 converter.

Keep in mind GDDR5 vs GDDR5X storage densities with 128bit vs 256bit external bus. There are lower storage limits for GDDR5 with 128bit bus.

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RIP Nintendo, sounds like a crap system if true. They need a gimmick to sell, i am not buying it to play what i already have about the same. Mario and Zelda are not enough

Nintendo NEEDS to go 3rd party NOW while people still want their games.

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@emgesp said:
@pikachudude860 said:
@emgesp said:
@pikachudude860 said:

So how many "Leaks" have we had that says that the NX is more powerful than the PS4, and is easy to develop games for? 2? 3? Can't be TOO far off from the truth, if multiple sources are saying the same thing.

Looks like our wishes have come true. Nintendo system with 3rd party multiplats. OH YEAAAAH!!!!

Also,

  • The console has an HDMI 2.0a port, and 4k output is 'theoretically possible'

4K output as in 4K games? If that's true, then it IS the Ultra Nintendo (UNES) (I TOLD YOU GUYS! HAHAHAHA. lol)

Nobody is going to be releasing consoles that can render games in 4K natively anytime soon. We will have to wait until the NX 2.0 , PS5.0 and XB2.0 for that.

AMD promises 5x the performance per watt in 2018, so I expect 4K consoles in 2019 - 2020.

I can see that. Makes sense.

Though up-scaled Blu-Rays/movies are a thing. Wouldn't be surprising if games tried that too. I mean, it's possible to do, isn't it?

All 4K televisions upscale 1080p content, but its still 1080p native content.

Really? I never knew that. (I'm a noob)

well, at any rate, I just hope this rumor is true. If it is, it's exactly what the NX needs to be.

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@pikachudude860 said:

So how many "Leaks" have we had that says that the NX is more powerful than the PS4, and is easy to develop games for? 2? 3? Can't be TOO far off from the truth, if multiple sources are saying the same thing.

Looks like our wishes have come true. Nintendo system with 3rd party multiplats. OH YEAAAAH!!!!

Also,

  • The console has an HDMI 2.0a port, and 4k output is 'theoretically possible'

4K output as in 4K games? If that's true, then it IS the Ultra Nintendo (UNES) (I TOLD YOU GUYS! HAHAHAHA. lol)

There's only two Polaris ASICs to "semi-customise" for your SoC i.e. Polaris 10 and 11..

@emgesp said:
@pikachudude860 said:

So how many "Leaks" have we had that says that the NX is more powerful than the PS4, and is easy to develop games for? 2? 3? Can't be TOO far off from the truth, if multiple sources are saying the same thing.

Looks like our wishes have come true. Nintendo system with 3rd party multiplats. OH YEAAAAH!!!!

Also,

  • The console has an HDMI 2.0a port, and 4k output is 'theoretically possible'

4K output as in 4K games? If that's true, then it IS the Ultra Nintendo (UNES) (I TOLD YOU GUYS! HAHAHAHA. lol)

Nobody is going to be releasing consoles that can render games in 4K natively anytime soon. We will have to wait until the NX 2.0 , PS5.0 and XB2.0 for that.

AMD promises 5x the performance per watt in 2018, so I expect 4K consoles in 2019 - 2020.

For mainstream, 5X is for sustained 4K/VR gaming not minimum hardware for 4K/VR gaming.

High end PC gaming is above the mainstream curve.

For economic of scale, it's cheaper for AMD to mass produce Polaris for all their customers e.g. Apple, Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft

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#92 Sushiglutton
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RIP Nintendo, sounds like a crap system if true. They need a gimmick to sell, i am not buying it to play what i already have about the same. Mario and Zelda are not enough

Nintendo NEEDS to go 3rd party NOW while people still want their games.

Poor Nintendo. If they have a gimmick people complain, if they don't people complain anyway. It's perhaps a bit much to have three companies making basically identical walled off mini-PCs. And personally I would love if they did go third party.

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#93 superbuuman
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@Chozofication: >_< sadly true...it better be fast & not slow like Wii U at launch...Nintendo: "they (consumers) didn't understand our 6GB OS vision for the NX".. :P

@techhog89: The more memory they can allocate for games development the better. Don't care for flashy OS...as long as I can put game in and start playing & not wait for long time because of flashy OS...don't care about streaming or putting video up on youtube or achievements -> hey you are awesome sauce! etc. :P

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@TheWalkingGhost said:

RIP Nintendo, sounds like a crap system if true. They need a gimmick to sell, i am not buying it to play what i already have about the same. Mario and Zelda are not enough

Nintendo NEEDS to go 3rd party NOW while people still want their games.

I don't see why it would ever be too late for them to do that unless they end up in a terrible financial situation and have to sell studios to survive before they can even go third-party (though they'd have to sell some studios either way), but okay.

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#96  Edited By ronvalencia
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@Sushiglutton said:
@TheWalkingGhost said:

RIP Nintendo, sounds like a crap system if true. They need a gimmick to sell, i am not buying it to play what i already have about the same. Mario and Zelda are not enough

Nintendo NEEDS to go 3rd party NOW while people still want their games.

Poor Nintendo. If they have a gimmick people complain, if they don't people complain anyway. It's perhaps a bit much to have three companies making basically identical walled off mini-PCs. And personally I would love if they did go third party.

The problem with PC OEMs are their sub-par standards for mainstream products. This is why Microsoft has to intervene in the PC OEM space. Intel's mainstream IGPs doesn't match XBO's GPU and crappy tablet 2-in-1 constructions.

Intel likes to keep thier Skylake 4C's small 122 mm^2 chip size and have a high asking price..

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#97  Edited By hrt_rulz01
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@TheWalkingGhost said:

RIP Nintendo, sounds like a crap system if true. They need a gimmick to sell, i am not buying it to play what i already have about the same. Mario and Zelda are not enough

Nintendo NEEDS to go 3rd party NOW while people still want their games.

This is the problem that I worry about... can Nintendo compete with the other 2 manufacturers, if they make a "normal" console? While for me, I'd love it if these rumours are true (and I'm assuming most Nintendo fans would be the same), I worry if they can compete with MS & Sony without something that differentiates their console from PS4/XB1. Is their 1st party lineup, with the addition of more 3rd party games, going to be enough? I'm not sure. I hope so but.

But if this system is a "normal" console like the rumours suggest, and it doesn't sell, Nintendo are going to pull their collective hairs out I'm sure... "they say they don't want gimmicks, now they say they want something different. Arrrggghhh!". Lol.

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#98  Edited By FireEmblem_Man
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I want cartridges! Having to install discs and getting day one patches is a too slow process! Yes, we can always do digital downloads in order to fasten the process, but it doesn't beat plugging a game in and loads to the hardware quickly without relying on a HDD that can be slower than molasses. But I know that won't happen.....

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#99 GunSmith1_basic
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if this rumour is accurate then I'm probably buying one. Well, this or ps4k or whatever they are calling it.

The big test for me is not the hardware. I want real software support on the NX, and having seen the BS spouted by previous Nintendo conferences like with the WiiU and 3DS, I'll be assuming the worst and will need to be swayed.

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@ronvalencia said:

There's only two Polaris ASICs to "semi-customise" for your SoC i.e. Polaris 10 and 11..

@emgesp said:
@pikachudude860 said:

So how many "Leaks" have we had that says that the NX is more powerful than the PS4, and is easy to develop games for? 2? 3? Can't be TOO far off from the truth, if multiple sources are saying the same thing.

Looks like our wishes have come true. Nintendo system with 3rd party multiplats. OH YEAAAAH!!!!

Also,

  • The console has an HDMI 2.0a port, and 4k output is 'theoretically possible'

4K output as in 4K games? If that's true, then it IS the Ultra Nintendo (UNES) (I TOLD YOU GUYS! HAHAHAHA. lol)

Nobody is going to be releasing consoles that can render games in 4K natively anytime soon. We will have to wait until the NX 2.0 , PS5.0 and XB2.0 for that.

AMD promises 5x the performance per watt in 2018, so I expect 4K consoles in 2019 - 2020.

For mainstream, 5X is for sustained 4K/VR gaming not minimum hardware for 4K/VR gaming.

High end PC gaming is above the mainstream curve.

For economic of scale, it's cheaper for AMD to mass produce Polaris for all their customers e.g. Apple, Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft

Can you see any of three utilizing GDDR5X memory?