Anyone else find a white guy shooting a bunch of black guys kinda wrong? (RE5)

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#1 tarzanell
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Maybe I've just missed this in another thread, but I'm having serious issues respecting RE5 for what it represents. The world, and the US in particular, really has no need to have their 15 year olds pretending to be a white guy demolishing Afro-Caribbeans for being "infected" or whatever the term will be this time around.

I'm a huge fan of the series thus far, but this turn is just wrong IMO.

What do you guys think?

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#2 Solid_Snake1221
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The whole thing about Re5 being racist is a joke.
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#3 Mstrchiefpwns
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LMAO I definitely had myself a laugh when I first saw that extended trailer
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#4 T3H_1337_N1NJ4
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>_> ...
Honestly, Black shooting white, white shooting white, white shooting black, yellow shooting black, pink shooting purple...

What's the diference? The only racism I see here is you actually thinking there is any...

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>_> ...
Honestly, Black shooting white, white shooting white, white shooting black, yellow shooting black, pink shooting purple...

What's the diference? The only racism I see here is you actually thinking there is any...

T3H_1337_N1NJ4

I completely agree. If it was reversed (black main character killing whites), no one would be saying it was racist.

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#6 ArisShadows
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If this bugs you, better never play anything Tom Clancy. But seriously what color would be racist, having it all be white when it in another country? Should they modify Chris a bit more darkened? o.O
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#7 Mstrchiefpwns
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If this bugs you, better never play anything Tom Clancy. But seriously what color would be racist, having it all be white when it in another country? Should they modify Chris a bit more darkened? o.OArisShadows

LMAO yeah GRAW big time.

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#8 gundamfan80
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>_> ...
Honestly, Black shooting white, white shooting white, white shooting black, yellow shooting black, pink shooting purple...

What's the diference? The only racism I see here is you actually thinking there is any...

T3H_1337_N1NJ4

exactly what I think as well. no one with half a brain will see anything different from any other RE game, a guy shooting zombies.

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#9 Infinatey
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Doesn't matter who's shooting who, would everyone jump up and down if Christ was black and shooting white people? Or how about we just make him shoot asians, and come off as racists yet again. Or maybe we should just make them all grey, and take away the guns and give em sticks, or why not just give us a good kick in the balls too? Honestly...it's a bloody video game, and doesn't affect you in real life. What is it with people and trying to sidestep the real problems, and blaming video games?

If Chris's motivation was to shoot every black guy he saw....ya, then we have a problem. But, that isn't his motivation, and thus it's ok.

I blame the soccer moms of America, The stupid government, idiotic society, Jack Thompson, Hilary Clinton, and Al Sharpton.

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#10 daqua_99
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It's a game get over it. Is it racist if you play as an American and kill the Germans in Call of Duty?

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#11 Solid_Snake1221
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It's a game get over it. Is it racist if you play as an American and kill the Germans in Call of Duty?

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German isn't a race :?

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#12 dracula_16
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Ah....the classic racist card. :roll:

So a black guy shooting white folks in GTA: SA is fine but a white person shooting a black guy is wrong? :|

Please don't go there.

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Maybe I've just missed this in another thread, but I'm having serious issues respecting RE5 for what it represents. The world, and the US in particular, really has no need to have their 15 year olds pretending to be a white guy demolishing Afro-Caribbeans for being "infected" or whatever the term will be this time around.

I'm a huge fan of the series thus far, but this turn is just wrong IMO.

What do you guys think?

tarzanell

dude ppl like u is what helps keep raceism alive.if u ppl would let the past go and get over it will set u free.

im so sick of seeing a race card. ur human im human end of story. for more info read the bible

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#14 -Maddog-
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Yet, when shooting whites..theres no problem? Who cares, its just a game. RE5 isn't like your some deranged white lunatic killing innocent, well manners africans..but infected mind controlled people...theres a difference...it sends out NO message...only thing racist is the people who keep bringing this up.

The whole thing is a joke.

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#15 Ragashahs
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OMG this is so stupid. why is everyone so bent over this it's nothing odd you people need to grow up.
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#16 PBSnipes
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How about we just get rid of violence against other humans all together in games? Last time I checked shooting anyone regardless ofethnicity, creed, gender, age,nationality, religion, sexual orientation etc.was a crime.
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#17 sfenty
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im so sick of seeing a race card. ur human im human end of story. for more info read the biblemunsoned

Now, that made my day...very funny. If you don't see racial issues in the Bible (and I don't just or primarily mean black/white) than you haven't really read the bible; you've just read Hallmark greeting card blurbs of the bible.

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#18 funnymario
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Oh, not this stuff again.
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#19 sfenty
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How about we just get rid of violence against other humans all together in games? Last time I checked shooting anyone regardless ofethnicity, creed, gender, age,nationality, religion, sexual orientation etc.was a crime.PBSnipes

Good point. Although, I will say that if intent of a game is to get players to enjoy harming members of a particular race, because they are of that race, than that would be a very bad thing. I don't think that is what this game is doing. Of course, any game can be perverted to the sick desires of a select few

On a lighter note, I had a friend in high school that really got a kick out of bowling because he used a black ball to knock down white pins. He never played pool though.

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#20 xxThyLordxx
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I dont think its racist, but I understand why people will look at it that way.

I have some questions(s),

1) will it be racist if Chirs Redfield was black and was killing black zombies?

2) if Leon in RE 4 was black and was killing those white zombies, will it be racist?

imo, I find games like GTA: SA racist, it was a stereotypical black thug thing, I found it disgusting. when are we going to see a black 'MGS Snake' type character or black 'DMC Dante' type character.

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#21 gamefan67
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[QUOTE="tarzanell"]

Maybe I've just missed this in another thread, but I'm having serious issues respecting RE5 for what it represents. The world, and the US in particular, really has no need to have their 15 year olds pretending to be a white guy demolishing Afro-Caribbeans for being "infected" or whatever the term will be this time around.

I'm a huge fan of the series thus far, but this turn is just wrong IMO.

What do you guys think?

munsoned

dude ppl like u is what helps keep raceism alive.if u ppl would let the past go and get over it will set u free.

im so sick of seeing a race card. ur human im human end of story. for more info read the bible

saying that will usually get you into more trouble.

TC:

Anyway I see no problem with a white guy shooting up black....I wouldn't care if it was a black guy shooting white or even black people......I see no difference .....but you sir seem to be thinking too hard about this situation.

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#22 Solid_Snake1221
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I dont think its racist, but I understand why people will look at it that way.

I have some questions(s),

1) will it be racist if Chirs Redfield was black and was killing black zombies?

2) if Leon in RE 4 was black and was killing those white zombies, will it be racist?

imo, I find games like GTA: SA racist, it was a stereotypical black thug thing, I found it disgusting. when are we going to see a black 'MGS Snake' type character or black 'DMC Dante' type character.

xxThyLordxx

People from Spain are not white, but your point is still good and valid.

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#23 Korrigan777
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Ah....the classic racist card. :roll:

So a black guy shooting white folks in GTA: SA is fine but a white person shooting a black guy is wrong? :|

Please don't go there.

dracula_16

please thats such a weak comparison. Because of where you start off in SA You're most probably killing black people first. IN gta SA you kill ALL people. if the roles we're reversed and you had a haitian guy in a WHITE suburb killing white people i'm sorry even i would be shocked by that, UNLESS the game's story provided a valid reason. Currently we have no reason for why chris is where he is, so everyone should STFU.

imagine an advert for a film where you see a cornrow headed black guy dressed like the "zombies" in resi 5 ina white surburb killing white people who are attacking him. Its like a dave chappelle sketch !! you can't say "oh just reverse it" because people would still make an uproar especially in america.

i don't think this game will promote racism, but it could promote something else ugly, if not done right.

See in GTA IV we can all be glad we'll be able to kill everyone

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What do you guys think?tarzanell

I think you're just trolling, but I'll play ball...

Its not racist. What would be racist would be video game publishers completely ignoring black people altogether and discluding them from games all because a few bored people have nothing else to cry about.

Was it racist for the last Tom Clancy game to have been in Mexico City? Should it have been full of white people? Of course not.

That would be hilarious: a game shot in the desert wastelands of Africa featuring... WHITE PEEPLZ111 If anything, Capcom should've just ditched Chris and put you in the shoes of a black American operative sent to snoop in Africa without sticking out like a sore thumb.I'm tired of the same old RE characters, and including them in game after game just gets more unbeleievable...

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#25 munsoned
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[QUOTE="munsoned"]im so sick of seeing a race card. ur human im human end of story. for more info read the biblesfenty

Now, that made my day...very funny. If you don't see racial issues in the Bible (and I don't just or primarily mean black/white) than you haven't really read the bible; you've just read Hallmark greeting card blurbs of the bible.

lol w/e hey ppl are ppl theres gonna be hate no matter what. its human nature. we were all one race at one point is what i was trying to get at lol
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#26 metallica_one
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no. I think it is just stupid to assume it is racism. you have been shooting white boys inn RE4! whats the difference you are still shooting people with just different color! they are still people\zombies! ho cares about the color! the day we don't give a f**k about the color of the people we are shooting we are at the right place:D
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#27 Caseytappy
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Maybe I've just missed this in another thread, but I'm having serious issues respecting RE5 for what it represents. The world, and the US in particular, really has no need to have their 15 year olds pretending to be a white guy demolishing Afro-Caribbeans for being "infected" or whatever the term will be this time around.

I'm a huge fan of the series thus far, but this turn is just wrong IMO.

What do you guys think?

tarzanell

I think thats a pretty bold statement coming from someone who picked his nick name from a caracter that originally bullies black people around in dark Afrika with almost no clothes on:lol:

Back on topic :

Come on , the guy is shooting zombies in freaking Africa so ofcourse they are all black , what did you expect , Chinese ???

The racism you see is really in your head .

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#28 Korrigan777
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I dont think its racist, but I understand why people will look at it that way.

I have some questions(s),

1) will it be racist if Chirs Redfield was black and was killing black zombies?

2) if Leon in RE 4 was black and was killing those white zombies, will it be racist?

imo, I find games like GTA: SA racist, it was a stereotypical black thug thing, I found it disgusting. when are we going to see a black 'MGS Snake' type character or black 'DMC Dante' type character.

xxThyLordxx

ohhh jeez SA was not racist, like SIn city was not sexist. Those universes are not like the one we inhabit, people should have sense and realise that. They play off of stereotypes and amplify them for effect. we live in a society where women are exploited and it can be said that they are second class citizens. Sin city as the title should suggest shows a kind ofdystopian reality where all the uglies ofour world are amplified. Just like GTA.

SA was based off of films like boyz in the hood, Vice city was based off scarface etcc....R* did it all hoping people would understand the connection. You get to fit inside the shoes of a gangster.

Plus if you remember in SA there were white stereotypes as well. The rednecks who all had std's the english "chavs" who were just....such chavs. If you wanna know what a chav is type it into Google image search.

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#29 RENE2315
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what are guys making a big deal in rs4 they were killing mexican and i am mexican that did not bother me
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#30 funnymario
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*sigh* In this game, there is no racism involved, whatsoever. There is a white, American protagonist fending off zombies how happen to be of dark skin in Haiti. That's it. If there was dialogue in the game that pointed towards otherwise, there would be a problem. Luckily, there is no such dialogue because this is Resident Evil :|
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#31 skingus
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Maybe I've just missed this in another thread, but I'm having serious issues respecting RE5 for what it represents. The world, and the US in particular, really has no need to have their 15 year olds pretending to be a white guy demolishing Afro-Caribbeans for being "infected" or whatever the term will be this time around.

I'm a huge fan of the series thus far, but this turn is just wrong IMO.

What do you guys think?

tarzanell

Did you have a problem when they were shooting the Spaniards?

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No not at all, same way i didnt think it was wrong i was a white guy killing vietnamese in vietcong or indeed killing white guys as a black guy in gta san andreas they are after all just games, i dont see why killing black guys is so much worse than killing diffrent races in other games to be honest, no doubt certain groups and media are going to tout this as blatant racism which is bloddy stupid if you ask me
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Maybe I've just missed this in another thread, but I'm having serious issues respecting RE5 for what it represents. The world, and the US in particular, really has no need to have their 15 year olds pretending to be a white guy demolishing Afro-Caribbeans for being "infected" or whatever the term will be this time around.

I'm a huge fan of the series thus far, but this turn is just wrong IMO.

What do you guys think?

tarzanell

LMAO. Naw man. N I'm black. That thought never came to my head. I actually thought it was tight they went to a 3rd world country, a different setting. N it's alot of citizens, so I think it'll be tough.

I mean, did you think about this when a white guy was shooting those Mexican guys on tha last one? You could say it was a guy with a Hitler haircut on RE2, shooting Jews / Americans.

Not tryin' to make fun of ya dawg, its jus I think maybe you were reachin' alil' to hard. Especially to have been a fan from the get-go. Either that, or a little to sensetive.

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We better get rid of all black characters in videogames...before the protests start :shock:
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No not at all, same way i didnt think it was wrong i was a white guy killing vietnamese in vietcong or indeed killing white guys as a black guy in gta san andreas they are after all just games, i dont see why killing black guys is so much worse than killing diffrent races in other games to be honest, no doubt certain groups and media are going to tout this as blatant racism which is bloddy stupid if you ask me chrisoff_1

it's becuase whites have a history of doing bad stuff to other races (blacks, asians, etc), Blacks and asians don't have a history of forcing slavery ands stuff.

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#36 daqua_99
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[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

It's a game get over it. Is it racist if you play as an American and kill the Germans in Call of Duty?

Solid_Snake1221

German isn't a race :?

I'm deemed racist if I descriminate against them ....
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[QUOTE="chrisoff_1"]No not at all, same way i didnt think it was wrong i was a white guy killing vietnamese in vietcong or indeed killing white guys as a black guy in gta san andreas they are after all just games, i dont see why killing black guys is so much worse than killing diffrent races in other games to be honest, no doubt certain groups and media are going to tout this as blatant racism which is bloddy stupid if you ask me SiBaba

it's becuase whites have a history of doing bad stuff to other races (blacks, asians, etc), Blacks and asians don't have a history of forcing slavery ands stuff.

Before slavery, African Kings use to enslave their own people. And people who were in slavery were SOLD off to the Europeans actually. I can't give you the exact stuff on Asians, but, there are some bad seeds there too. So that statement is ignorant.

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#38 Zandeus
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so now a white dude can't even defend his own life agaisnt a mob of people, because if he were to injure one of his attackers and they happen to be adifferent race then it is considered racist.... pffff.... PAHLEASE!

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[QUOTE="chrisoff_1"]No not at all, same way i didnt think it was wrong i was a white guy killing vietnamese in vietcong or indeed killing white guys as a black guy in gta san andreas they are after all just games, i dont see why killing black guys is so much worse than killing diffrent races in other games to be honest, no doubt certain groups and media are going to tout this as blatant racism which is bloddy stupid if you ask me SiBaba

it's becuase whites have a history of doing bad stuff to other races (blacks, asians, etc), Blacks and asians don't have a history of forcing slavery ands stuff.

so white people have to be reminded of things are ancestors did to people even when we had no control over this? we are always reminded of how evil we where when it comes to other races, im sorry but in todays world that crap should be irrelivant, its like hating todays german people because of the world wars its totally idiotic and just plain wrong

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[QUOTE="SiBaba"]

[QUOTE="chrisoff_1"]No not at all, same way i didnt think it was wrong i was a white guy killing vietnamese in vietcong or indeed killing white guys as a black guy in gta san andreas they are after all just games, i dont see why killing black guys is so much worse than killing diffrent races in other games to be honest, no doubt certain groups and media are going to tout this as blatant racism which is bloddy stupid if you ask me chrisoff_1

it's becuase whites have a history of doing bad stuff to other races (blacks, asians, etc), Blacks and asians don't have a history of forcing slavery ands stuff.

so white people have to be reminded of things are ancestors did to people even when we had no control over this? we are always reminded of how evil we where when it comes to other races, im sorry but in todays world that crap should be irrelivant, its like hating todays german people because of the world wars its totally idiotic and just plain wrong

It's worng but a lot of people still think like that, I mean only recently there were blacks demonstrating in London asking Tony Blair to apoligize about slavery!!!

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#41 Iorning_board
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[QUOTE="SiBaba"]

[QUOTE="chrisoff_1"]No not at all, same way i didnt think it was wrong i was a white guy killing vietnamese in vietcong or indeed killing white guys as a black guy in gta san andreas they are after all just games, i dont see why killing black guys is so much worse than killing diffrent races in other games to be honest, no doubt certain groups and media are going to tout this as blatant racism which is bloddy stupid if you ask me chrisoff_1

it's becuase whites have a history of doing bad stuff to other races (blacks, asians, etc), Blacks and asians don't have a history of forcing slavery ands stuff.

so white people have to be reminded of things are ancestors did to people even when we had no control over this? we are always reminded of how evil we where when it comes to other races, im sorry but in todays world that crap should be irrelivant, its like hating todays german people because of the world wars its totally idiotic and just plain wrong

That is very true my friend. As long as the same mistakes are not made again, then the past should be left in the past.

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#42 Foolz3h
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Racist or not it's a video game.

And it doesn't seem reacist to me.

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#43 BrooklynBomber
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God says thou shalt not kill have a good day !!!
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#44 Rahnyc4
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Zombies in Voodoo

A Haitian zombie at twilight in a field of sugar caneAccording to the tenets of Voodoo, a dead person can be revived by a bokor or Voodoo sorcerer. Zombies remain under the control of the bokor since they have no will of their own. "Zombi" is also another name of the Voodoo snake god Damballah Wedo, of Niger-Congo origin; it is akin to the Kongo word nzambi, which means "god." There also exists within the voudon tradition the zombi astral which is a human soul that is captured by a bokor and used to enhance the bokor's power.

In 1937, while researching folklore in Haiti, Zora Neale Hurston encountered the case of Felicia Felix-Mentor, who had died and been buried in 1907 at the age of 29. Villagers believed they saw Felicia wandering the streets in a daze thirty years after her death, as well as claiming the same with several other people. Hurston pursued rumors that the affected persons were given powerful drugs, but she was unable to locate individuals willing to offer much information. She wrote:

"What is more, if science ever gets to the bottom of Voodoo in Haiti and Africa, it will be found that some important medical secrets, still unknown to medical science, give it its power, rather than gestures of ceremony."
Several decades later, Wade Davis, a Canadian ethnobotanist, presented a pharmacological case for zombies in two books, The Serpent and the Rainbow (1985) and Passage of Darkness: The Ethnobiology of the Haitian Zombie (1988). Davis traveled to Haiti in 1982 and, as a result of his investigations, claimed that a living person can be turned into a zombie by two special powders being entered into the blood stream (usually via a wound). The first, coup de poudre (French: 'powder strike'), induced a 'death-like' state because of tetrodotoxin (TTX), its key ingredient. Tetrodotoxin is the same lethal toxin found in the Japanese delicacy fugu, or pufferfish. At near-lethal doses, it can leave a person in a state of near-death for several days, while the person continues to be conscious. The second powder, composed of dissociatives like datura, put the person in a zombie-like state where they seem to have no will of their own. Davis also popularized the story of Clairvius Narcisse, who was claimed to have succumbed to this practice. There remains considerable skepticism about Davis's claims, and opinions remain divided as to the veracity of his work,[citation needed] although there is wide recognition among the Haitian people of the existence of the "zombie drug". The Voodoon religion being somewhat secretive in its practices and codes, it can be very difficult for a foreign scientist to validate or invalidate such claims.

Others have discussed the contribution of the victim's own belief system, possibly leading to compliance with the attacker's will, causing psychogenic ("quasi-hysterical") amnesia, catatonia, or other psychological disorders, which are later misinterpreted as a return from the dead. Scottish psychiatrist R. D. Laing further highlighted the link between social and cultural expectations and compulsion, in the context of schizophrenia and other mental illness, suggesting that schizogenesis may account for some of the psychological aspects of zombification.

 A Haitian zombie at twilight in a field of sugar cane

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the term zombie originated in africa, so im guessing their trying to get that original zombie feel far beyond the urban zombies you got from the original resident evil games

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#45 Iorning_board
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^This is why I was amped for the game in the first palce, anyone who is into these kind of myths and legends will know what I mean (Authentic Zombies)
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#46 sadikovic
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Maybe I've just missed this in another thread, but I'm having serious issues respecting RE5 for what it represents. The world, and the US in particular, really has no need to have their 15 year olds pretending to be a white guy demolishing Afro-Caribbeans for being "infected" or whatever the term will be this time around.

I'm a huge fan of the series thus far, but this turn is just wrong IMO.

What do you guys think?

tarzanell

If you found killing white people in RE4 fun then you might have caught that double standards flue going around!

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#47 SpaceDragonMan
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For **** sake Don't you people see he's just trolling? He makes ONE post and then leaves, of course he doesn't mean all this....
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#48 Zerostatic0
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[QUOTE="T3H_1337_N1NJ4"]

>_> ...
Honestly, Black shooting white, white shooting white, white shooting black, yellow shooting black, pink shooting purple...

What's the diference? The only racism I see here is you actually thinking there is any...

Solid_Snake1221

I completely agree. If it was reversed (black main character killing whites), no one would be saying it was racist.

You totally missed his point. In fact according to what he's trying to say, you're racist too because you're actually thinking about it (i.e. "If it was reversed (black main character killing whites)")
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#49 6matt6
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don't spread the idiocy, RE5 is not racist.
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#50 tarzanell
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For **** sake Don't you people see he's just trolling? He makes ONE post and then leaves, of course he doesn't mean all this....SpaceDragonMan

Nope, wasn't trolling, just a genuine concern when I first laid eyes on the trailer this morning.

I think you guys all have good points (and no, my name is not "Tarzan," lord of the jungle style); to be honest, playing through RE4 on the cube, racism never entered my mind even once. So why is this different to me (remember, this is IMO, not anyone else's)? I put it down to the fact that the protagonist is Mr. Midwest America, going abroad and laying waste to the villagers defending their town (even if "zombified," but let's try to read between the lines here).

The US has pretty much no history of laying seige to small Spanish towns in the woods....can the same be said for Afro-Caribbean villages?

These are just my thoughts here, don't flame me for having an opinion.