Anyone else find a white guy shooting a bunch of black guys kinda wrong? (RE5)

[QUOTE="fixer293"]

Dude, you have your beliefs, I have mine, I read everything posted and linked. And you know what "undertone" is implying, and you sir do not have to come on here insulting my inteligence. I read every post you made, and admit that i strongly feel , that the "undertone" of your first post implies that you think the game is racist. Now I will stop posting, after this because that is the vibe I get from your posts. Now I will stop this argument if it ends right here, but that is what I read into what your first post is.

Ninja-Vox

I dont think the game is racist. How many times have i said that? And honestly, you just made a comment of "you do not have to come on here insulting my intelligence" when you're still saying i think this game is racist, despite me saying i dont a BILLION times.

Heck, here i am on another freakin' forum DAYS ago saying they by no means intended for it to be racist:

Having watched the trailer again, i think the main problem stems from the fact that very few of the people being shot, or punched in the face, actually look like zombies. Particularly the scene of a mob carrying machetes and scythes; it just looked like a large gathering of dirty, deshevaled, incredibly pissed off black people being gunned down by a clean, muscular white man.

"I'm not saying that that was their intention for a minute; just that they could probably do a lot more work to make the antagonists appear like they are infected with some horrid virus which turns them into bloodthirsty zombie-folk. There are a few with bleeding eyes or distorted limbs, but the majority just looked like pissed off africans."

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/smf/index.php?topic=26414.0

I dont care what "vibe" you get. And still you whine on about "undertone" when i already said so many times; people will pick up undertones of racism in this game. That doesn't mean i think they were deliberately placed there. And even after you first started whining about the word "undertone" i said fine, use a different word then, because my point is that they dont want the game to be racist but people are gonna think it is.

Honestly, after all your childish "shut up" and "you fail" i think it's absolutely undeniable that if anyone has failed here it's you. Because you've resorted to telling somebody else that despite them saying a game is not racist FIFTY BILLION TIMES, you're getting a "vibe" that they think it is.

Whatever.

See, there you go, insulting people, that right there shows my argument is just, thats it, I can't talk to people, who resort to childish name calling.

Well maybe I can clear things up abit... I agree that the game isn't meant to be racist. And anyone who takes a look at it and says so, without knowing the series background or the story line for the game, are simply ignorant. However, being the fact that it is a white guy gunning down blacks, I can understand how some people would find it unsettling. It's not that they are racist or that they're looking for something to argue about... it's that the mere dipicting of the act make it uneasy to look at...

This mostly stems from an individual who has experienced some sort of racially motived hate in there lives.. or (in the Blacks case) have witnessed their parents go through this sort of thing and are alittle bitter because of it(and rightfully so). But to simply ignore this sort of thing is a tad bit ignorant in itselft.. You don't tell Blacks to simply ignore what happened during the Slavery or Civil Rights eras.. You don't tell Jews to simply ignore what happened in the Holocaust.. Have we Amercans simply ignored what happened on Sep 11?

I understand that you just see it as a video game.. and that's great.. I love the fact that you gamers don't look at this game and immediately say "teh Racist".. However sometimes you have to understand what motivates others that think differently than you. You can't call them "Stupid" or "Dumb" because you're not trying to understand their point of view. Opinions vary and we're all entitled to em.. But atleast know ALL sides before you condemn..

Maybe that'll help... :)

OhSnapitz

See that fixer? Somebody who gets the point. Surely you can admit that you messed up when three different people now have had to explain my point for you?

See, there you go, insulting people, that right there shows my argument is just, thats it, I can't talk to people, who resort to childishness name calling.

fixer293

Childish name calling? Point to a childish name i've called you. Heck, even one. :roll: This coming from the guy who posted nothing but "please leave" "shut up" and "get out" for the first three pages. Not to mention "dude, you just go owned!"

And you didn't respond to a single point i made. :roll: I wonder why....

EDIT: and let's be honest here, you dont even have a point, never mind a "just" one. You started saying the game wasn't racist and i was wrong for thinking it is, i pointed out that i didn't even say it was and you went off on some rediculous arguement telling me why i think it is no matter how many times i say it isn't, repeating the same old stuff over and over again no matter how many times i debunk it, until you eventually stop at "that's the vibe i was getting."

Which is basically you admitting that you mis-interpreted my posts and got it wrong. Heck, there have been THREE posts not even made by me which have been attempts to explain what i'm saying to you because you keep replying with the same old "you think it's racist..." no matter how many times i say i dont.

[QUOTE="fixer293"]

See, there you go, insulting people, that right there shows my argument is just, thats it, I can't talk to people, who resort to childishness name calling.

Ninja-Vox

Childish name calling? Point to a childish name i've called you. Heck, even one. :roll: This coming from the guy who posted nothing but "please leave" "shut up" and "get out" for the first three pages. Not to mention "dude, you just go owned!"

And you didn't respond to a single point i made. :roll: I wonder why....

You think the game is racist, and will not even admit it to yourself that you think it is, there is your response.Im done, post whatever you want after this,later

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

Old enough to see through a flip flop artist. I and others have responded to you, and pretty much destroyed your argument. Your own words defeated you.

fixer293

What is my arguement? I honestly challenge you to even summarise it, because you're still arguing that i think this game is racist when i've said so many times that it isn't, only that others will easily interpret it as such because you're playing as a white guy shooting up black people.

You dont have anyone agreeing with you. There are other people having a pop at me too but i dont see anyone agreeing with your complete nonsense that i think this game is racist but i'm saying it isn't just for the funnies. :roll:

There are so many people who have just completely missed the point here entirely. "It's not racist that's so stupid!" It's not racist - racism is the act of hatred based on race - the point is that you are playing as white guy, gunning down hordes of incredibly realistic poverty-stricken black people who dont look anywhere near enough like zombies. It's harrowing, and feels uncomfortable to watch. Like the TC said, 15 year old americans dont need to be playing this sort of thing.

sigh

Your words, defeat your argument.

you calim not to call the game racist, but then flip-flop it, when proven wrong.

You think the game is racist, and will not even admit it to your that yourself think it is, there is your response.

fixer293

I dont think the game is racist. Heck, you know how it's easy to spot that?

"This game is not racist."

You even quoted it yourself. Also, three other people have posted to explain to you that i dont think the game is racist and you're not getting the point. Also, here i am on another forum days before this saying i dont think the game is deliberately racist but people will think it is:

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/smf/index.php?topic=26414.0

How many times have i said that already? :roll:

I dont think the game is racist. End of rediculous discussion.

[QUOTE="slikonebtz"]

i dont think he makes a valid point he says himself racism is the act of hatred based on race....wheres the hatred in this game? its a survival horror game the main character doesnt "hate" anything :S

OhSnapitz

I don't think he's calling the game "racist"... I think he's simply stating that the dipiction of VERY realistic looking Hatians/Aficans in this game being killed will bring up concerns. And he's right... To the non-gamer that see's this game running at a friends house or a kiosk.. They'll take one look at it and say RACIST!!! This issue isn't going away people...

Ok, this is what ends the thread. Here is somebody, before you even entered this thread mi amigo, telling another person exactly what my point is; mainly that the game is not racist but people are inevitably going to get offended by it because of the setting.

Thank you and goodnigt.

I think that's a problem mainly in America and the UK. Basically because of slavery and oppression. Black people have been kept down for so long until finally being granted some degree of equality. I think right now we're sort of in a cooling off period between black people being second class citizens and black and white people being one in the same. Right now it's sort of like an apologetic era where everything and anything can be racist unless it's against a white guy. It's not right, but that's just the way it is until not being able to sit on the bus and being racially discriminated isn't so fresh in people's minds.

Ninja-Vox

There's alot of truth to that, and I totally agree with you. It's just annoying how someone can call Resident Evil 5 a racially unjust game, and then call a white guy a "cracker" five minutes later. Regardless of what that person/race has been through, being hypocritical isn't going to help anything.

The whole thing about Re5 being racist is a joke.Solid_Snake1221

Yeah, I'd be more concerned of the player being a mass-murderer.

[QUOTE="MrXIII"]

A saviour? in what sense? By destroying them? As for there existence being "rubbish" that is nearly your opinion. Have you taken the time to sit down and ask a member of the Undead what they want in there after-life? Or if they were happy? Or instead do you "shoot first, ask questions later"? Yes there motivations of eating flesh/brains may seam simple to some. But how are they any different than us. What motivates us? Making money, being successful and so on. The bottom line is that we are all trying to survive. No man has the right to say another man existence is pointless.

Ninja-Vox

Ah, but they'll be able to go on to their after life, if such a thing exists, after they are freed by man-with-gun. If not for him, they are doomed to continue on eating brains and shuffling around for all eternity. What kind of an existance is that i ask you?

You are masking the Living's fear with "Liberation". By destroying there existence you are saying you are liberating them or setting them free. But in reality there "Liberation" and "Freedom" are only words to hide the destruction for something you fear. As for asking me what type of existence is that. It is not up to me nor you to decide, but up to the Undead. They should be in control of there existence not a race that fears them.

System Wars is being flooded with all kinds of topics like this now...

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

I think that's a problem mainly in America and the UK. Basically because of slavery and oppression. Black people have been kept down for so long until finally being granted some degree of equality. I think right now we're sort of in a cooling off period between black people being second class citizens and black and white people being one in the same. Right now it's sort of like an apologetic era where everything and anything can be racist unless it's against a white guy. It's not right, but that's just the way it is until not being able to sit on the bus and being racially discriminated isn't so fresh in people's minds.

TrueReligion_

There's alot of truth to that, and I totally agree with you. It's just annoying how someone can call Resident Evil 5 a racially unjust game, and then call a white guy a "cracker" five minutes later. Regardless of what that person/race has been through, being hypocritical isn't going to help anything.

Did that actually happen or are you just saying it for arguments sake. And be careful about talking about what's hypocritical and what isn't. There are hypocrits ans good people and bad people in every race and gender and nationality. Let's keep this on the topic of the game, please.

If that old psp add "white is coming" (remember, white girl holding black girl?) could be considered racist and taken down. Why not this?munu9

Because they aren't humans.

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake1221"]The whole thing about Re5 being racist is a joke.Supafly1

Yeah, I'd be more concerned of the player being a mass-murderer.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]

Stop playing videos games if it bothers you. You obviously have no problem with games that involve killing other races.

Bunch of hypocrites.

TrueReligion_

Everyone gets offended by everything, unfortunately. Society (Specifically American) has double standards, a white man cannot dare to say anything racisist to a black man, but it's okay vice-versa. I'm neither white nor black, but it still angers me.

Being Black myself, I honestly didn't think of it when I saw the trailer. Frankly it was one of my friends who brought it to my attention. It is clear that Capon isn't racist. Let's make that point very clear. I am sure they must understand that the closer this game gets to release; it will spur a ton of debate, both rational and irrational. "If" this game takes place in some African country, and then one must wonder if capcom has a reason why it takes place there for game purposes. Also, it could possibly bring to light some of the horror stories (literally) that are going on over in Africa that are not noticeably on face value(the genocides, civil wars, black market gun trading etc.). If anything, maybe this will bring about some real discussions amounts young people on those issues over there, even if it is a video game that does it.

Finally to your point of a double standard, All I will say is you should not get angry over it as a wise man once said..

"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering and suffering leads to the dark side". Yoda

Unfortunately, that anger has lead to ALL of those statements coming true.

Well maybe I can clear things up abit... I agree that the game isn't meant to be racist. And anyone who takes a look at it and says so, without knowing the series background or the story line for the game, are simply ignorant. However, being the fact that it is a white guy gunning down blacks, I can understand how some people would find it unsettling. It's not that they are racist or that they're looking for something to argue about... it's that the mere dipicting of the act make it uneasy to look at...OhSnapitz

This caveat has been dusted off an re-stated hundreds of times already. I don't care how many wall o' texts you provide to "clear things up," we already know what you're saying. We just don't care. Anyone else's mis-perception is not our problem and we shouldn't feel guilty or be considered insensitive because they have problems getting a grip on reality. The fact of the matter is that these kind of topics do nothing but produce mass amounts of libel, which then lead to all out slanderous controversey for a company you've already acknowledged isn't racist. If you agree with that much, then stop saying we should tolerate crap like the OP, because it simply doesn't deserve it.

[QUOTE="munu9"]If that old psp add "white is coming" (remember, white girl holding black girl?) could be considered racist and taken down. Why not this?0starter0

Because they aren't humans.

So? The psp addwasn't technically human either. They represented white psp and black psp.