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Vox,
As I said: You're assigning a catch-22. You're saying that one side of the equation may not be directly racist, but it will encourage racism. The only alternative would be to stay away from any ideas that involve the subject matter all together--Which is sadistically coercive to the devs' imaginations...Maybe "ultimatum" would be a better term.
The simple fact here is that you are a white guy, gunning down hordes of black men and women who dont appear to have anything seriously wrong with them. If they were grotesque zombies, or monsters a la previous games i'm sure it wouldn't sting so much.
Ninja-Vox
Man , you have some serious issues , see a shrink because you are seeing things that are not there !
Again: "Inferences" imply INTENT of racism within the form of media. You can't say the game isn't racist and still say it's "inferring" racism.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]The simple fact here is that you are a white guy, gunning down hordes of black men and women who dont appear to have anything seriously wrong with them. If they were grotesque zombies, or monsters a la previous games i'm sure it wouldn't sting so much.
Caseytappy
Man , you have some serious issues , see a shrink because you are seeing things that are not there !
Indeed.
What he doesn't take into mind is that, if Capcom was able to do so last gen, they would have made the Spainards look as realistic as the Haitians. In which case, the textures would give them a more "normal" look even if they were infected with Las Plagas. But you know he wouldn't whine about "overtones" of racism.
Vox,
As I said: You're assigning a catch-22. You're saying that one side of the equation may not be directly racist, but it will encourage racism. The only alternative would be to stay away from any ideas that involve the subject matter all together...Maybe "ultimatum" would be a better term.
Pariah_001
No, i didn't say that either. I'd love to know what thread you're reading. I'm saying it has a somewhat disturbing undertone which the game has never had before, mostly as a result of the extreme realism of the african people being shot, who just dont look like zombies at all. I agreed that many people would indeed find it somewhat harrowing to shoot into a mob of very realistic, poverty-stricken african people who appear just as that, rather than as evil zombie-folk. It's somewhat disturbing, and far too reminiscent of genocide in Rwanda. It's TOO realistic for it's own good.
That's all i said. I also agreed that the kind of racist teenagers you get so frequently on xbox live really dont need a game like this. I even said "what do you guys think" and have frequently said "regardless of how you view this..." because i'm open to interpretation, unlike guys like you who've done nothing but yell at people who old a different viewpoint to your own.
Indeed.
What he doesn't take into mind is that, if Capcom was able to do so last gen, they would have made the Spainards look as realistic as the Haitians. In which case, the textures would give them a more "normal" look even if they were infected with Las Plagas. But you know he wouldn't whine about "overtones" of racism.
Pariah_001
If you dont know the difference between spaniards and africans you have a lot of history to learn.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="covhunter"]People who see racism in everything need to be shot. I'm getting fed up of this BS on the news and now in GS. RE5 you are in some afro-caribbean country, who the hell are you going to shoot? The French? The British? No you're going to shoot black people because surprise surprise the denizens of those countries happen to be black.
Umberella is screwing up the whole world, not just countries largely populated by white people. If every RE game was white zombies only, and Capcom being a Japanese (i.e. oriental) company, could we claim racism against whites?
covhunter
Well, whether it's racist or not, yours is a ridiculous argument. You're acting as if the setting and characters were thrust upon the developers against their will, as if they had no choice as to who was getting shot and who was shooting and where their game would take place. Give me a break.
They chose to have the game take place in Africa, and to set up the story so that you, the player, would be controlling a white guy who is shooting bad guys who look like everday Africans (as opposed to mutated beasts or something).
Whatever the backstory of the game, the gameplay is a white guy walking down the street, shooting into a photo-realistic crowd of African men and women.
Now where did I ever say that?Of course developers have a choice, and they chose Haiti, so what? If they made Chris Redfied black and he ran around the Yorkshire Dales shooting simple white farmers would you call that racist? You probably wouldn't because you like all the lawyers and politicians seem to see race as a one way thing, whites shooting anyone else.
They also chose to have a standard white US cop run around a village in Spain shooting everyone in sight. That was ok? It wasn't until later in the game you found out they were being controlled by a parasite. Guess what, RE5 is going to have a similar theme. So shooting those ofHispanic origin is perfectly ok yet when you make them black it's instant racism regardless of circumstance according to your logic. And yes, last time I checked, on the last official document I filled in, Hispanic is considered a race.
To Ninja-Vox:
There all zombies trying to KILL HIM. There not ordinary africans, why you can't realize this I have no clue. It could go either way. It seems that it's racist against whites, considering there's one white guy trying to defend himself from hundreds upon hunreds of blacks trying to kill him. But, I guess that's ok.......
You're the racist for even acknowledging this and making a big deal about it. Would it be ok if it were a black guy shooting white zombies? Or a white guy shooting white zombies in Africa or Haiti (wherever RE5 takes place). If you're not racist, you shouldn't even care about what color their skin is, they are all HUMAN. I guess it's ok to kill people, but if your killing a different race then yourself then that's a bad thing.
It's people like you who are turning America into over-sensitive babies. GET OVER IT.
Just like in the LA riots, two black guys beat a White truck driver almost to death on live TV, oh but thats fine? It's a freaking game, if you don't like it go play Barbie horse adventures, oh I'm sorry, she's white, well just stop playing games then.
fixer293
I'm sorry but as somebody else already said, you've COMPLETELY missed the point. I've said so many times that it's not just white guy shooting black guy; that happens ALL THE TIME. So you rediculous comments on "oh so i guess it's ok if they were white" are just rediculous, because i've said no such thing.
[QUOTE="covhunter"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="covhunter"]People who see racism in everything need to be shot. I'm getting fed up of this BS on the news and now in GS. RE5 you are in some afro-caribbean country, who the hell are you going to shoot? The French? The British? No you're going to shoot black people because surprise surprise the denizens of those countries happen to be black.
Umberella is screwing up the whole world, not just countries largely populated by white people. If every RE game was white zombies only, and Capcom being a Japanese (i.e. oriental) company, could we claim racism against whites?
trix5817
Well, whether it's racist or not, yours is a ridiculous argument. You're acting as if the setting and characters were thrust upon the developers against their will, as if they had no choice as to who was getting shot and who was shooting and where their game would take place. Give me a break.
They chose to have the game take place in Africa, and to set up the story so that you, the player, would be controlling a white guy who is shooting bad guys who look like everday Africans (as opposed to mutated beasts or something).
Whatever the backstory of the game, the gameplay is a white guy walking down the street, shooting into a photo-realistic crowd of African men and women.
Now where did I ever say that?Of course developers have a choice, and they chose Haiti, so what? If they made Chris Redfied black and he ran around the Yorkshire Dales shooting simple white farmers would you call that racist? You probably wouldn't because you like all the lawyers and politicians seem to see race as a one way thing, whites shooting anyone else.
They also chose to have a standard white US cop run around a village in Spain shooting everyone in sight. That was ok? It wasn't until later in the game you found out they were being controlled by a parasite. Guess what, RE5 is going to have a similar theme. So shooting those ofHispanic origin is perfectly ok yet when you make them black it's instant racism regardless of circumstance according to your logic. And yes, last time I checked, on the last official document I filled in, Hispanic is considered a race.
To Ninja-Vox:
There all zombies trying to KILL HIM. There not ordinary africans, why you can't realize this I have no clue. It could go either way. It seems that it's racist against whites, considering there's one white guy trying to defend himself from hundreds upon hunreds of blacks trying to kill him. But, I guess that's ok.......
You're the racist for even acknowledging this and making a big deal about it. Would it be ok if it were a black guy shooting white zombies? Or a white guy shooting white zombies in Africa or Haiti (wherever RE5 takes place). If you're not racist, you shouldn't even care about what color their skin is, they are all HUMAN. I guess it's ok to kill people, but if your killing a different race then yourself then that's a bad thing.
It's people like you who are turning America into over-sensitive babies. GET OVER IT.
Its a hate crime!No, i didn't say that either. I'd love to know what thread you're reading. I'm saying it has a somewhat disturbing undertone which the game has never had before, mostly as a result of the extreme realism of the african people being shot, who just dont look like zombies at all. I agreed that many people would indeed find it somewhat harrowing to shoot into a mob of very realistic, poverty-stricken african people who appear just as that, rather than as evil zombie-folk. It's somewhat disturbing, and far too reminiscent of genocide in Rwanda. It's TOO realistic for it's own good.Ninja-Vox
Which is exactly what a catch-22 is. Even when their job is too make the game look as realistic as possible, you're telling them that they have to downgrade their work because they don't "zombie-ish" enough for you. They're damned if they do their job and they're damned if theyd don't.
When you use terms like "undertones," it means that there is an implied message by the more explicit content. i.e. You're calling it racist.
You're essentially making your hang-ups other peoples' problem. And it's ridiculous.
because i'm open to interpretation, unlike guys like you who've done nothing but yell at people who old a different viewpoint to your own.
As opposed to you who's talking down to everyone who's trying to defend Capcom from being labeled as racist?
To Ninja-Vox:
There all zombies trying to KILL HIM. There not ordinary africans, why you can't realize this I have no clue. It could go either way. It seems that it's racist against whites, considering there's one white guy trying to defend himself from hundreds upon hunreds of blacks trying to kill him. But, I guess that's ok.......
You're the racist for even acknowledging this and making a big deal about it. Would it be ok if it were a black guy shooting white zombies? Or a white guy shooting white zombies in Africa or Haiti (wherever RE5 takes place). If you're not racist, you shouldn't even care about what color their skin is, they are all HUMAN. I guess it's ok to kill people, but if your killing a different race then yourself then that's a bad thing.
It's people like you who are turning America into over-sensitive babies. GET OVER IT.
trix5817
Again, "would it be ok if it were a black guy shooting white zombies"? :roll:
*whooooooooooooooooooooosh*
The point of what i'm saying, flying on by. Honestly, that post is just complete gibberish and has no relevance to what i've said whatsoever.
[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]Vox,
As I said: You're assigning a catch-22. You're saying that one side of the equation may not be directly racist, but it will encourage racism. The only alternative would be to stay away from any ideas that involve the subject matter all together...Maybe "ultimatum" would be a better term.
Ninja-Vox
No, i didn't say that either. I'd love to know what thread you're reading. I'm saying it has a somewhat disturbing undertone which the game has never had before, mostly as a result of the extreme realism of the african people being shot, who just dont look like zombies at all. I agreed that many people would indeed find it somewhat harrowing to shoot into a mob of very realistic, poverty-stricken african people who appear just as that, rather than as evil zombie-folk. It's somewhat disturbing, and far too reminiscent of genocide in Rwanda. It's TOO realistic for it's own good.
That's all i said. I also agreed that the kind of racist teenagers you get so frequently on xbox live really dont need a game like this. I even said "what do you guys think" and have frequently said "regardless of how you view this..." because i'm open to interpretation, unlike guys like you who've done nothing but yell at people who old a different viewpoint to your own.
Did you even watch the trailer? The african zombies look messed up. They don't look like normal humans......
Crysis is also racist according to your logic. A white guy gunning down thousands of North Koreans.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"]Vox,
As I said: You're assigning a catch-22. You're saying that one side of the equation may not be directly racist, but it will encourage racism. The only alternative would be to stay away from any ideas that involve the subject matter all together...Maybe "ultimatum" would be a better term.
trix5817
No, i didn't say that either. I'd love to know what thread you're reading. I'm saying it has a somewhat disturbing undertone which the game has never had before, mostly as a result of the extreme realism of the african people being shot, who just dont look like zombies at all. I agreed that many people would indeed find it somewhat harrowing to shoot into a mob of very realistic, poverty-stricken african people who appear just as that, rather than as evil zombie-folk. It's somewhat disturbing, and far too reminiscent of genocide in Rwanda. It's TOO realistic for it's own good.
That's all i said. I also agreed that the kind of racist teenagers you get so frequently on xbox live really dont need a game like this. I even said "what do you guys think" and have frequently said "regardless of how you view this..." because i'm open to interpretation, unlike guys like you who've done nothing but yell at people who old a different viewpoint to your own.
Did you even watch the trailer? The african zombies look messed up. They don't look like normal humans......
Crysis is also racist according to your logic. A white guy gunning down thousands of North Koreans.
Is he a white guy? I thought he never took the suit off.If you dont know the difference between spaniards and africans you have a lot of history to learn.Ninja-Vox
I know that they're two different races apart from caucasions who got blasted by caucasion people within the game.
This is the very definition of racism right here: You're discriminating between the two in regards to which shoot should be portrayed as being shot and which shouldn't.
[QUOTE="trix5817"]To Ninja-Vox:
There all zombies trying to KILL HIM. There not ordinary africans, why you can't realize this I have no clue. It could go either way. It seems that it's racist against whites, considering there's one white guy trying to defend himself from hundreds upon hunreds of blacks trying to kill him. But, I guess that's ok.......
You're the racist for even acknowledging this and making a big deal about it. Would it be ok if it were a black guy shooting white zombies? Or a white guy shooting white zombies in Africa or Haiti (wherever RE5 takes place). If you're not racist, you shouldn't even care about what color their skin is, they are all HUMAN. I guess it's ok to kill people, but if your killing a different race then yourself then that's a bad thing.
It's people like you who are turning America into over-sensitive babies. GET OVER IT.
Ninja-Vox
Again, "would it be ok if it were a black guy shooting white zombies"? :roll:
*whooooooooooooooooooooosh*
The point of what i'm saying, flying on by. Honestly, that post is just complete gibberish and has no relevance to what i've said whatsoever.
Yes, it does. I'd love for you to adress more than one of my sentences. Stop nit-picking please. I'd love to hear a valid arguement.
Vox's reply:
"You totally missed the point!"
We get the point Vox. You're just over-stating it.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]No, i didn't say that either. I'd love to know what thread you're reading. I'm saying it has a somewhat disturbing undertone which the game has never had before, mostly as a result of the extreme realism of the african people being shot, who just dont look like zombies at all. I agreed that many people would indeed find it somewhat harrowing to shoot into a mob of very realistic, poverty-stricken african people who appear just as that, rather than as evil zombie-folk. It's somewhat disturbing, and far too reminiscent of genocide in Rwanda. It's TOO realistic for it's own good.Pariah_001
Which is exactly what a catch-22 is. Even when their job is too make the game look as realistic as possible, you're telling them that they have to downgrade their work because they don't "zombie-ish" enough for you. They're damned if they do their job and they're damned if theyd don't.
When you use terms like "undertones," it means that there is an implied message by the more explicit content. i.e. You're calling it racist.
You're essentially making your hang-ups other peoples' problem. And it's ridiculous.
because i'm open to interpretation, unlike guys like you who've done nothing but yell at people who old a different viewpoint to your own.
As opposed to you who's talking down to everyone who's trying to defend Capcom from being labeled as racist?
No i'm not calling it racist. I'm saying that thanks to the realism and lack of zombie-ness, it's natural that people are going to get offended or at least freaked out and i can understand why. I dont see why you have such a problem with that. I'm not saying it's racist; i'm saying it's disturbing in a new way and that videogames are growing up. And yet again, i'm not talking down to people - i simply laugh at statments such as yours of "defending capcom from being labeled as racist"
WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'VE SAID THIS WHOLE TIME. :lol:
[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"]Vox,
As I said: You're assigning a catch-22. You're saying that one side of the equation may not be directly racist, but it will encourage racism. The only alternative would be to stay away from any ideas that involve the subject matter all together...Maybe "ultimatum" would be a better term.
smokeydabear076
No, i didn't say that either. I'd love to know what thread you're reading. I'm saying it has a somewhat disturbing undertone which the game has never had before, mostly as a result of the extreme realism of the african people being shot, who just dont look like zombies at all. I agreed that many people would indeed find it somewhat harrowing to shoot into a mob of very realistic, poverty-stricken african people who appear just as that, rather than as evil zombie-folk. It's somewhat disturbing, and far too reminiscent of genocide in Rwanda. It's TOO realistic for it's own good.
That's all i said. I also agreed that the kind of racist teenagers you get so frequently on xbox live really dont need a game like this. I even said "what do you guys think" and have frequently said "regardless of how you view this..." because i'm open to interpretation, unlike guys like you who've done nothing but yell at people who old a different viewpoint to your own.
Did you even watch the trailer? The african zombies look messed up. They don't look like normal humans......
Crysis is also racist according to your logic. A white guy gunning down thousands of North Koreans.
Is he a white guy? I thought he never took the suit off.Yeah, Jake Dunn is white. Pretty sure. I think one of your teamates is black though, if I remember correctly from one of the videos.
Oh. Anyway Halo features a lot of racism. Your constantly killing hundreds of Covenant.Yeah, Jake Dunn is white. Pretty sure. I think one of your teamates is black though, if I remember correctly from one of the videos.
trix5817
[QUOTE="Pariah_001"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]No, i didn't say that either. I'd love to know what thread you're reading. I'm saying it has a somewhat disturbing undertone which the game has never had before, mostly as a result of the extreme realism of the african people being shot, who just dont look like zombies at all. I agreed that many people would indeed find it somewhat harrowing to shoot into a mob of very realistic, poverty-stricken african people who appear just as that, rather than as evil zombie-folk. It's somewhat disturbing, and far too reminiscent of genocide in Rwanda. It's TOO realistic for it's own good.Ninja-Vox
Which is exactly what a catch-22 is. Even when their job is too make the game look as realistic as possible, you're telling them that they have to downgrade their work because they don't "zombie-ish" enough for you. They're damned if they do their job and they're damned if theyd don't.
When you use terms like "undertones," it means that there is an implied message by the more explicit content. i.e. You're calling it racist.
You're essentially making your hang-ups other peoples' problem. And it's ridiculous.
because i'm open to interpretation, unlike guys like you who've done nothing but yell at people who old a different viewpoint to your own.
As opposed to you who's talking down to everyone who's trying to defend Capcom from being labeled as racist?
No i'm not calling it racist. I'm saying that thanks to the realism and lack of zombie-ness, it's natural that people are going to get offended or at least freaked out and i can understand why. I dont see why you have such a problem with that. I'm not saying it's racist; i'm saying it's disturbing in a new way and that videogames are growing up. And yet again, i'm not talking down to people - i simply laugh at statments such as yours of "defending capcom from being labeled as racist"
WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'VE SAID THIS WHOLE TIME. :lol:
Stop, you were implying that the game is racist, and totally ignored my post, go away.
[QUOTE="Pariah_001"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]No, i didn't say that either. I'd love to know what thread you're reading. I'm saying it has a somewhat disturbing undertone which the game has never had before, mostly as a result of the extreme realism of the african people being shot, who just dont look like zombies at all. I agreed that many people would indeed find it somewhat harrowing to shoot into a mob of very realistic, poverty-stricken african people who appear just as that, rather than as evil zombie-folk. It's somewhat disturbing, and far too reminiscent of genocide in Rwanda. It's TOO realistic for it's own good.Ninja-Vox
Which is exactly what a catch-22 is. Even when their job is too make the game look as realistic as possible, you're telling them that they have to downgrade their work because they don't "zombie-ish" enough for you. They're damned if they do their job and they're damned if theyd don't.
When you use terms like "undertones," it means that there is an implied message by the more explicit content. i.e. You're calling it racist.
You're essentially making your hang-ups other peoples' problem. And it's ridiculous.
because i'm open to interpretation, unlike guys like you who've done nothing but yell at people who old a different viewpoint to your own.
As opposed to you who's talking down to everyone who's trying to defend Capcom from being labeled as racist?
No i'm not calling it racist. I'm saying that thanks to the realism and lack of zombie-ness, it's natural that people are going to get offended or at least freaked out and i can understand why. I dont see why you have such a problem with that. I'm not saying it's racist; i'm saying it's disturbing in a new way and that videogames are growing up. And yet again, i'm not talking down to people - i simply laugh at statments such as yours of "defending capcom from being labeled as racist"
WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'VE SAID THIS WHOLE TIME. :lol:
So, is it racist or isn't it? Clarifiy for me, ok? Yes, people like you will probably cry and say "TEH RACISM" (Al Sharpton and Jess Jackson will most likely), yet this doesn't mean the game is racist. The problem at hand here is that people actually believe that it's racist, when it's not. Stop being so over-sensitive, please. If the first thing that comes to your mind when you watch that trailer is racism, then you've got a problem, not the game. It's being made by Japanese developers. It's not like it's being made by white developers in the US.
No i'm not calling it racist. I'm saying that thanks to the realism and lack of zombie-ness, it's natural that people are going to get offended or at least freaked out and i can understand why. I dont see why you have such a problem with that. I'm not saying it's racist; i'm saying it's disturbing in a new way and that videogames are growing up. And yet again, i'm not talking down to people - i simply laugh at statments such as yours of "defending capcom from being labeled as racist"WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'VE SAID THIS WHOLE TIME. :lol:
Ninja-Vox
If that's the case, then STOP USING THE WORD "UNDERTONES"!!!!!!
I've told you multiple times that it expresses intent to convey a certain message apart from explicit content. Every time you use that word, it means you're saying that the developers "intended" for their to be a "disturbing" racist theme with black people being slaughtered.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="trix5817"]To Ninja-Vox:
There all zombies trying to KILL HIM. There not ordinary africans, why you can't realize this I have no clue. It could go either way. It seems that it's racist against whites, considering there's one white guy trying to defend himself from hundreds upon hunreds of blacks trying to kill him. But, I guess that's ok.......
You're the racist for even acknowledging this and making a big deal about it. Would it be ok if it were a black guy shooting white zombies? Or a white guy shooting white zombies in Africa or Haiti (wherever RE5 takes place). If you're not racist, you shouldn't even care about what color their skin is, they are all HUMAN. I guess it's ok to kill people, but if your killing a different race then yourself then that's a bad thing.
It's people like you who are turning America into over-sensitive babies. GET OVER IT.
trix5817
Again, "would it be ok if it were a black guy shooting white zombies"? :roll:
*whooooooooooooooooooooosh*
The point of what i'm saying, flying on by. Honestly, that post is just complete gibberish and has no relevance to what i've said whatsoever.
Yes, it does. I'd love for you to adress more than one of my sentences. Stop nit-picking please. I'd love to hear a valid arguement.
Sorry my friend but no it's not. It's completely irrelevant in every respect because it has nothing to do with what i'm saying at all. There are far too many people in this thread yelling at me about how it's racist for a white guy to shoot a black guy, but no vice versa - just as you did with your sarcastic "but i suppose that's ok? comments.
For the billionth and last time; i'm not saying the game is racist. Your pathetic comments about world racism are falling on deaf ears, because it has nothing to do with what i'm saying a la your entire post.
This is not a case of white man shooting black man = racist. At no point did i say that; so when you respond with such comments, dont get all upset when i say i'm not going to bother responding.
My only point is that the game has reached a point of disturbing realism which has struck a chord with a lot of people. The main issue at hand here is the simple connotations of the white guy shooting all the black men and women. They dont look like zombies at all. That's bothering an awful lot of people. It's not just me. I even began this thread saying i was open to interpretation; it's you guys who are the only people who keep yelling at what an idiot i am and how the game isn't racist and capcom have done nothing wrong - WHICH I HAVEN'T SAID.
Of course Capcom have no intentions for it to be viewed as racist. But it will be, because sadly it involves a white guy gunning down a bunch of black men and women, and many will object to how they are being represented in this game a la ghost recon. Sure, it had total relevance to the story and wasn't intended to be racist at all, but people objected because a team of white americans were shooting up a bunch of crazy, violent mexicans.
Am i saying that's right? NO. Just that i can see why so many people feel uncomfortable watching ordinary black men and women be shot en mass by a white guy. THAT IS ALL.
If that's the case, then STOP USING THE WORD "UNDERTONES"!!!!!!
I've told you multiple times that it expresses intent to convey a certain message apart from explicit content. Every time you use that word, it means you're saying that the developers "intended" for their to be a "disturbing" racist theme with black people being slaughtered.
Pariah_001
No it doesn't. :| An undertone is simply an underlying theme which can be picked up on depending on the interpretation of the audience.
Maybe I've just missed this in another thread, but I'm having serious issues respecting RE5 for what it represents. The world, and the US in particular, really has no need to have their 15 year olds pretending to be a white guy demolishing Afro-Caribbeans for being "infected" or whatever the term will be this time around.
I'm a huge fan of the series thus far, but this turn is just wrong IMO.
What do you guys think?
tarzanell
Why are people so stupid? Is it genetic? Or is it just the culture?
[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="trix5817"]To Ninja-Vox:
There all zombies trying to KILL HIM. There not ordinary africans, why you can't realize this I have no clue. It could go either way. It seems that it's racist against whites, considering there's one white guy trying to defend himself from hundreds upon hunreds of blacks trying to kill him. But, I guess that's ok.......
You're the racist for even acknowledging this and making a big deal about it. Would it be ok if it were a black guy shooting white zombies? Or a white guy shooting white zombies in Africa or Haiti (wherever RE5 takes place). If you're not racist, you shouldn't even care about what color their skin is, they are all HUMAN. I guess it's ok to kill people, but if your killing a different race then yourself then that's a bad thing.
It's people like you who are turning America into over-sensitive babies. GET OVER IT.
Ninja-Vox
Again, "would it be ok if it were a black guy shooting white zombies"? :roll:
*whooooooooooooooooooooosh*
The point of what i'm saying, flying on by. Honestly, that post is just complete gibberish and has no relevance to what i've said whatsoever.
Yes, it does. I'd love for you to adress more than one of my sentences. Stop nit-picking please. I'd love to hear a valid arguement.
Sorry my friend but no it's not. It's completely irrelevant in every respect because it has nothing to do with what i'm saying at all. There are far too many people in this thread yelling at me about how it's racist for a white guy to shoot a black guy, but no vice versa - just as you did with your sarcastic "but i suppose that's ok? comments.
For the billionth and last time; i'm not saying the game is racist. Your pathetic comments about world racism are falling on deaf ears, because it has nothing to do with what i'm saying a la your entire post.
This is not a case of white man shooting black man = racist. At no point did i say that; so when you respond with such comments, dont get all upset when i say i'm not going to bother responding.
My only point is that the game has reached a point of disturbing realism which has struck a chord with a lot of people. The main issue at hand here is the simple connotations of the white guy shooting all the black men and women. They dont look like zombies at all. That's bothering an awful lot of people. It's not just me. I even began this thread saying i was open to interpretation; it's you guys who are the only people who keep yelling at what an idiot i am and how the game isn't racist and capcom have done nothing wrong - WHICH I HAVEN'T SAID.
Of course Capcom have no intentions for it to be viewed as racist. But it will be, because sadly it involves a white guy gunning down a bunch of black men and women, and many will object to how they are being represented in this game a la ghost recon. Sure, it had total relevance to the story and wasn't intended to be racist at all, but people objected because a team of white americans were shooting up a bunch of crazy, violent mexicans.
Am i saying that's right? NO. Just that i can see why so many people feel uncomfortable watching ordinary black men and women be shot en mass by a white guy. THAT IS ALL.
First you say the game has a hidden message, then now you retract that statement. Like I said, are you saying that it is ok for Reginald Denny to be attacked like he was, but then cry foul about a game. Stop being a hypocrite.
By you using the word "undertone" you are implyingh that the game is racist, Go away, you fail, because you flip flopped.
So, is it racist or isn't it? Clarifiy for me, ok? Yes, people like you will probably cry and say "TEH RACISM" (Al Sharpton and Jess Jackson will most likely), yet this doesn't mean the game is racist. The problem at hand here is that people actually believe that it's racist, when it's not. Stop being so over-sensitive, please. If the first thing that comes to your mind when you watch that trailer is racism, then you've got a problem, not the game. It's being made by Japanese developers. It's not like it's being made by white developers in the US.
trix5817
My whole point, from start to finish, has been that many people will view this game as being racist regardless of whether or not it actually is, and i can see why. :|
[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]If that's the case, then STOP USING THE WORD "UNDERTONES"!!!!!!
I've told you multiple times that it expresses intent to convey a certain message apart from explicit content. Every time you use that word, it means you're saying that the developers "intended" for their to be a "disturbing" racist theme with black people being slaughtered.
Ninja-Vox
No it doesn't. :| An undertone is simply an underlying theme which can be picked up on depending on the interpretation of the audience.
Oh give it a rest Ninja.Vox,
Like I said, we got your "point."
What you seem to refuse to understand is that the way you argue against us and call us "ridiculous," is very counter-intuitive if not outright mis-representative of your true intent. You're spending so much time telling us what the game is implying that you don't bother disassociating yourself from the people you're saying would be "disturbed" by this game's design.
First you say the game has a hidden message, then now you retract that statement. Like I said, are you saying that it is ok for Reginald Denny to be attacked like he was, but then cry foul about a game. Stop being a hypocrite.
fixer293
You didn't respong to a single point i made. I did not say the game has a hidden message AT ALL. I said it has connotations of racism which people will pick up on DESPITE THE FACT that capcom will have no intention of it being racist. And i can see why people will think that.
[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="trix5817"]To Ninja-Vox:
There all zombies trying to KILL HIM. There not ordinary africans, why you can't realize this I have no clue. It could go either way. It seems that it's racist against whites, considering there's one white guy trying to defend himself from hundreds upon hunreds of blacks trying to kill him. But, I guess that's ok.......
You're the racist for even acknowledging this and making a big deal about it. Would it be ok if it were a black guy shooting white zombies? Or a white guy shooting white zombies in Africa or Haiti (wherever RE5 takes place). If you're not racist, you shouldn't even care about what color their skin is, they are all HUMAN. I guess it's ok to kill people, but if your killing a different race then yourself then that's a bad thing.
It's people like you who are turning America into over-sensitive babies. GET OVER IT.
Ninja-Vox
Again, "would it be ok if it were a black guy shooting white zombies"? :roll:
*whooooooooooooooooooooosh*
The point of what i'm saying, flying on by. Honestly, that post is just complete gibberish and has no relevance to what i've said whatsoever.
Yes, it does. I'd love for you to adress more than one of my sentences. Stop nit-picking please. I'd love to hear a valid arguement.
Sorry my friend but no it's not. It's completely irrelevant in every respect because it has nothing to do with what i'm saying at all. There are far too many people in this thread yelling at me about how it's racist for a white guy to shoot a black guy, but no vice versa - just as you did with your sarcastic "but i suppose that's ok? comments.
For the billionth and last time; i'm not saying the game is racist. Your pathetic comments about world racism are falling on deaf ears, because it has nothing to do with what i'm saying a la your entire post.
This is not a case of white man shooting black man = racist. At no point did i say that; so when you respond with such comments, dont get all upset when i say i'm not going to bother responding.
My only point is that the game has reached a point of disturbing realism which has struck a chord with a lot of people. The main issue at hand here is the simple connotations of the white guy shooting all the black men and women. They dont look like zombies at all. That's bothering an awful lot of people. It's not just me. I even began this thread saying i was open to interpretation; it's you guys who are the only people who keep yelling at what an idiot i am and how the game isn't racist and capcom have done nothing wrong - WHICH I HAVEN'T SAID.
Of course Capcom have no intentions for it to be viewed as racist. But it will be, because sadly it involves a white guy gunning down a bunch of black men and women, and many will object to how they are being represented in this game a la ghost recon. Sure, it had total relevance to the story and wasn't intended to be racist at all, but people objected because a team of white americans were shooting up a bunch of crazy, violent mexicans.
Am i saying that's right? NO. Just that i can see why so many people feel uncomfortable watching ordinary black men and women be shot en mass by a white guy. THAT IS ALL.
Yet again, you fail to address more than one sentence.........
Go up and read my other post.
Vox,
Like I said, we got your "point."
What you seem to refuse to understand is that the way you argue against us and call us "ridiculous," is very counter-intuitive if not outright mis-representative of your true intent. You're spending so much time telling us what the game is implying that you don't bother disassociating yourself from the people you're saying would be "disturbed" by this game's design.
Pariah_001
All i have said from start to finish is that people WILL find this game racist regardless of whether or not it actually is, and i can see why. You keep going on about how you get the "point" yet STILL i have people yelling at me about how the game isn't racist and i'm an idiot for thinking it is. :roll:
Also; quit the high-horse "quit being mean :cry:" nonsense because you're guilty yourself.
[QUOTE="fixer293"]First you say the game has a hidden message, then now you retract that statement. Like I said, are you saying that it is ok for Reginald Denny to be attacked like he was, but then cry foul about a game. Stop being a hypocrite.
Ninja-Vox
You didn't respong to a single point i made. I did not say the game has a hidden message AT ALL. I said it has connotations of racism which people will pick up on DESPITE THE FACT that capcom will have no intention of it being racist. And i can see why people will think that.
THAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM!!! The people should change the way they view racism and stop being over-sensitive. Capcom should not have to change their game because some over-sensitive cry babies are wetting themselves.
[QUOTE="fixer293"]First you say the game has a hidden message, then now you retract that statement. Like I said, are you saying that it is ok for Reginald Denny to be attacked like he was, but then cry foul about a game. Stop being a hypocrite.
Ninja-Vox
You didn't respong to a single point i made. I did not say the game has a hidden message AT ALL. I said it has connotations of racism which people will pick up on DESPITE THE FACT that capcom will have no intention of it being racist. And i can see why people will think that.
You said "undertone", and that right there is says you are "implying" racism, you fail good day sir, and you never responded about what I said about Reginald Denny.
No it doesn't. :| An undertone is simply an underlying theme which can be picked up on depending on the interpretation of the audience. Ninja-Vox
"An underlying or implied tendency or meaning; an undercurrent."
"Underlying theme" is practically synonymous with that, and it doesn't depend on interpretation.
Even when you're told what's wrong with the way you argue, you still end up talking ass backwards.
trix, i dont know what post you read, but i just wrote a complete wall of text on why your post is completely irrelevant. I'm not doing it again. :| You argue about how the game is about zombies and isn't meant to be racist - i explained how i'm well aware of that and dont think it is meant to be racist.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]No it doesn't. :| An undertone is simply an underlying theme which can be picked up on depending on the interpretation of the audience. Pariah_001
"An underlying or implied tendency or meaning; an undercurrent."
"Underlying theme" is practically synonymous with that, and it doesn't depend on interpretation.
Even when you're told what's wrong with the way you argue, you still end up talking ass backwards.
No i'm not. An undertone is an underlying theme. It doesn't have to be intentional. And i've said numerous times that i dont think capcom intentionally made the game racist at all, just that people will think it is regardless of that fact. It's completely dependent on interpretation. Some people will think "zombies... crap" other people will think "terrible racist video game". :|
trix, i dont know what post you read, but i just wrote a complete wall of text on why your post is completely irrelevant. I'm not doing it again. :| You argue about how the game is about zombies and isn't meant to be racist - i explained how i'm well aware of that and dont think it is meant to be racist.
Ninja-Vox
You flip-flop worse than a politician, go away.
All i have said from start to finish is that people WILL find this game racist regardless of whether or not it actually is, and i can see why.Ninja-Vox
As I already explained: You didn't. At least not adequately.
You keep going on about how you get the "point" yet STILL i have people yelling at me about how the game isn't racist and i'm an idiot for thinking it is. :roll:
I didn't say you did. I'm saying that you did inadvertantly (after you felt like clarifying yourself--Poorly).
THAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM!!! The people should change the way they view racism and stop being over-sensitive. Capcom should not have to change their game because some over-sensitive cry babies are wetting themselves.
trix5817
That's what i've been arguing. :| Not whether the game is racist, but if people are right to view it as such. Hence why i've been getting so annoyed, and later amused at the number of you blindly yelling at me about how the game isn't racist and i'm a complete idiot, when i didn't say it was to begin with. Only that i can understand why people would claim it is, and that it's not really fair to blindly dismiss them as idiots.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]trix, i dont know what post you read, but i just wrote a complete wall of text on why your post is completely irrelevant. I'm not doing it again. :| You argue about how the game is about zombies and isn't meant to be racist - i explained how i'm well aware of that and dont think it is meant to be racist.
fixer293
You flip-flop worse than a politician, go away.
Honestly, make a point or dont post. All you do is make childish comments of "you fail" or go away. I've made my point, i've yelled at people for about half an hour who dont get the point, and now i'm telling you to grow up or dont bother talking to me.
Thanks.
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