Are any pc guys jumping ship?

[QUOTE="kinectthedots"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

 

PC won the GS meta game.

 

So much for lying.

m3Boarder32

I gusess the lying comment was aimed at yourself.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Thank you for proving my point. When something breaks, it shouldn't be "shit happens." It should be "how did we botch this, and how can we prevent it in the future?" There's just no drive to get it right the first time on PC. On consoles, there is - in the form of costly patch fees when they fail.lowe0

Hows it that GTA online mess working out on your ever so perfect consoles?

Then how about FO:NV, Skyrim? Crysis 2 being so badly coded the fps would hit the teens? The PS3 update that bricked the consoles? Consoles are in no way shape or form different. It is just that most COnsole people tend to gloss over the fact that ever since the consoles decided to be more like pcs they have gotten pretty much the exact same issues. None of the above is pc exclusive problems. the 360 also got bricked in updates.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Thank you for proving my point. When something breaks, it shouldn't be "shit happens." It should be "how did we botch this, and how can we prevent it in the future?" There's just no drive to get it right the first time on PC. On consoles, there is - in the form of costly patch fees when they fail.lowe0

Hows it that GTA online mess working out on your ever so perfect consoles?

THen you are either blind or a liar, give your post history, I would go with liar.

Digital Foundry Confirms GTA 5 Framerate, Asset Issues For Xbox 360, PS3

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Digital-Foundry-Confirms-GTA-5-Framerate-Asset-Issues-Xbox-360-PS3-59165.html

At least 3 of Skyrim's patches were needed for DLC anyway (and therefore have DLC revenue to offset them) and one more was likely paid for by MS (the Kinect patch). But honestly, we're not talking about needing a perfect world. I'm talking about common-sense development practices in support of a simple commitment: "on day one, we will be there with drivers that have been tested against this month's releases, with only minimal changes which reduces our risk of regressions." But they won't, because that doesn't sell graphics cards. And do you know why it doesn't? Attitudes like the guy who said "shit happens" - you.lowe0

But shit happens, Lowe, that's a fact of life.

And in my PC gaming years, from my personal experience, I'd say development practices follow the bolded part... for the most part.

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Tell me, you like to refer to yourself as a consolite, often listing the "curated experience and tight quality control" as a major advantage of the console gaming. How do you react when games, despite being developed in such an environment, simply can't maintain a stable 30 FPS, or are running in sub-720p resolutions?

Are you fighting against it tooth and nail, or have you accepted it's a sad fact of life that won't change anytime soon?

wow, this thread got worse

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="kinectthedots"]:lol: there is no lie to be found in my post. 

I gusess the lying comment was aimed at yourself.

-Unreal-

[QUOTE="TecmoGirl"]SNIPER preferring it. ...and the headaches keep stacking.SNIPER4321

lol! Shut up! 

Are people still thinking this way? You know its 2013, right?

Expensive to maintain? - Erh, you know you don't HAVE to upgrade. The beauty of PC games is that the settings can be tailored to your preference or technical limitations or lack thereof.

Boring Mature Community - What the hell is this? Just... NEXT!

Second-Class Citizen Treatment - Again, wth? Is this regarding the quality of ports? Or the delay of releases? Trust me, you'll have way too many games to be able to keep up with whatever releases at the time.

Steam - Thought you were listing negatives, not positives.

Uncomfortableness - This may be the only topic I can agree with, regarding getting used to the setup. Regardless, you can just hook a X360 controller and have a go. Just plug and play. No hassle.

Keyboard - See the point above. Though I have to add that once you get accustomed to the precision found in KB/M, you'll hate controllers.

Dealing with drivers - Its 2013, it's not like it was a decade ago. The experience is very seamless, even more when you have apps such as Steam that take care of most of that for you. Drivers? Most, if not all can be dl'ed automatically or even have notifications when a new one is up and its just 'click click click'.

I have been gaming on consoles my whole life, and have loved every single minute of it. Got a PC about a year ago, although I have played a huge amount of hours before in MMO's. Consoles are great at what they do, but they're not really as cheap as many might think. Games are expensive and take quite an amount of time before finding a good sale, if any.

PC's have so many options that you really are missing out on.

DH1278

Too expensive -- But you do have to upgrade though. It's unrealistic to say otherwise. I'm pretty sure nobody decides to invest in PC gaming with the intention of being satisfied with the weak bare minimum of it.  I expect 1080p/60fps minimum for every game I play, otherwise, i'm wasting my time. I didn't pay $950 not too. And when unoptimized games like AC3 come along and i'm told the only way to play it above 15fps is to spend $400 more in upgrades for a game that looks vastly inferior to games like BF3 that I actually am running at 1080p/60fps, then yah, it's too expensive.

Boring MC -- Console gaming community is full of racist, sexist immature assholes who mothers were clearly better off swallowing...and you know what, I actually miss it. The PC community is so dull/boring. Srsly, where are the butthurt messages and rants console gamers get from kicking ass? Where are the entertaining arguments that I would sit in the lobby of a game I didn't even feel like playing just to enjoy? It just feels lonely as hell.

Second Class CT-- Yes, it's regarding both the quality of ports and delay of releases. Just like above, I didn't pay $950 not to get what I want day 1 and then on top of that, deal with terrible ports(if it even gets it at all). That's silly. If PC gaming actually had noteworthy exclusives to enjoy, I'd be more tolerant of it.

Steam-- Steam has its negatives as well. I feel like Steam takes away the thrill and selectivity aspect I would usually deal with when buying video games on consoles, because of all those crazy sales that encourage you to hoard other games as well that you will never get around too. It makes gaming feel like chore in the end when it's suppose to be relaxing. Console games might be overpriced but it makes me much more appreciative in the process. They have a much better variety of games as well.

Drivers-- Maybe dealing with drivers was the wrong choice of words here -- in actuality, it's mainly things like a random DLL file missing out of nowhere, having to find fixes for inverted controller compatibility issues, and ect. I just dun wanna deal with that. I rather put in my game and have everything work likes its suppose too. That's just another headache for me.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]At least 3 of Skyrim's patches were needed for DLC anyway (and therefore have DLC revenue to offset them) and one more was likely paid for by MS (the Kinect patch). But honestly, we're not talking about needing a perfect world. I'm talking about common-sense development practices in support of a simple commitment: "on day one, we will be there with drivers that have been tested against this month's releases, with only minimal changes which reduces our risk of regressions." But they won't, because that doesn't sell graphics cards. And do you know why it doesn't? Attitudes like the guy who said "shit happens" - you.NameIess_One

But shit happens, Lowe, that's a fact of life.

And in my PC gaming years, from my personal experience, I'd say development practices follow the bolded part... for the most part.

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Tell me, you like to refer to yourself as a consolite, often listing the "curated experience and tight quality control" as a major advantage of the console gaming. How do you react when games, despite being developed in such an environment, simply can't maintain a stable 30 FPS, or are running in sub-720p resolutions?

Are you fighting against it tooth and nail, or have you accepted it's a sad fact of life that won't change anytime soon?

[QUOTE="NameIess_One"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]At least 3 of Skyrim's patches were needed for DLC anyway (and therefore have DLC revenue to offset them) and one more was likely paid for by MS (the Kinect patch). But honestly, we're not talking about needing a perfect world. I'm talking about common-sense development practices in support of a simple commitment: "on day one, we will be there with drivers that have been tested against this month's releases, with only minimal changes which reduces our risk of regressions." But they won't, because that doesn't sell graphics cards. And do you know why it doesn't? Attitudes like the guy who said "shit happens" - you.lowe0

But shit happens, Lowe, that's a fact of life.

And in my PC gaming years, from my personal experience, I'd say development practices follow the bolded part... for the most part.

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Tell me, you like to refer to yourself as a consolite, often listing the "curated experience and tight quality control" as a major advantage of the console gaming. How do you react when games, despite being developed in such an environment, simply can't maintain a stable 30 FPS, or are running in sub-720p resolutions?

Are you fighting against it tooth and nail, or have you accepted it's a sad fact of life that won't change anytime soon?

Do you often have trouble getting software to run for you?

Perhaps the problem isnt with the software?

But you did agree previously to having low standards with regards gaming so are you even in a position to argue this matter?

I wouldn't call them "sad", but yes, they are a negative for the platform. It's all about value, and a game that runs at 720p30, or even occasionally lower, is worth significantly more to me than one that doesn't work properly regardless of resolution or framerate.lowe0

I'm not too experienced with driver issues, but I doubt they just break your game completely all the time. Sometimes, they can be fixed by lowering or disabling some graphics options, etc.

And with consoles and 720p30, if the game can't fully live up to at least one of those two, which is IMHO the bare minimum of playability, I'd call it a broken product right out of the box, it just doesn't work properly. The difference is, on PC, there's a chance a broken product will be fixed, either by official or unofficial means. On consoles... not so much.

Take GTA V, despite running at 720p, it simply can't maintain a stable 30 FPS. It may be a great game, but it's also a broken product, which is why I have no choice but to wait for the PC version.

Low30 none of your arguements show pc games jumping ship as the OP suggests.

Infact games revenue and a growing concurrent userbase on steam or lol show the opposite.

Hell no.

ITT: Consolites get shat on again.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="TecmoGirl"]

Been PC gaming for a few years now and i'm fed up with it. I'm definitely ditching it completely and riding with next-gen consoles for my gaming needs -- the downsides of PC gaming really aren't worth the headaches.

TecmoGirl

What are the headaches of PC gaming?

• Expensive to maintain
• Boring Mature Community
• Second-Class Citizen Treatment
• Steam
• Uncomfortableness
• Keyboard
• Dealing with drivers and their incompatibilities

Lol wut? You can't be serious.

Expensive to maintain of what? I have my current PC for over a year now and I only blew the dust away from it from time to time. Expensive to maintain? Lmao.

Boring mature community? Boring? Really? Would you rather having annoying screaming kids making their way in your ears?

Second-class citizen treatment? LOL! Have fun with blurry console games with jaggies and low res textures.

Steam? What? :?

Uncomfortableness? Lmao! You can't be serious. That's what you get for being cheap and avoiding a comfortable chair.

Keyboard? It's the best method of input for many games.

Dealing with drivers and their incompatibilites? It is common to those who are clueless with computers. I've never had issues with such drivers.

I'm still confused as to what the xboxone offers. The PS4 will offer Japense games, pc is not great on that front. Granted, alot of games have come and it's better but Nintnedo and Sony are the place to go for Japanese games.

The Xbox One? Why does it even exist?

[QUOTE="milannoir"]

[QUOTE="p4s2p0"] I didn't' enjoy the service at the restaurant. Hassles on pc made me stop enjoying the platform for gaming..I switched like 10 years ago. lowe0

Sounds like a user issue. And it's also a terrible argument, since PC gaming is more accessible today than it ever was, whereas consoles are losing simplicity each new gen (trying hard to be PCs). If someone finds getting a functional gaming rig too hard nowadays, I think he has bigger problems than that one in life, since lots of important things must be too hard for him.

I must be a lucky guy. Never had that sort of thing happen to me, and I've been using both Nvidia and AMD hardware for years. So if I get what you're saying, the fact that something happens sometimes means it happens all the time. So then you are admitting that consoles always have abominable performance. Serioulsy Lowe, you're a joke of a poster. PC gaming has been easy for years now; driver issues happen rarely, to a minority of users, and don't "break" games, they just, for a short time, prevent people from maxing the game like they'd want. They can still play the game at a level of performance that humiliates consoles. If you want to be taken seriously, at elast TRY to know what you're talking about, because right now you sound like an angry anti-pc consolite from over ten years ago.

I'm still confused as to what the xboxone offers. The PS4 will offer Japense games, pc is not great on that front. Granted, alot of games have come and it's better but Nintnedo and Sony are the place to go for Japanese games.

The Xbox One? Why does it even exist?

uninspiredcup

so the NSA can watch you masturbate?

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I wouldn't call them "sad", but yes, they are a negative for the platform. It's all about value, and a game that runs at 720p30, or even occasionally lower, is worth significantly more to me than one that doesn't work properly regardless of resolution or framerate.NameIess_One

I'm not too experienced with driver issues, but I doubt they just break your game completely all the time. Sometimes, they can be fixed by lowering or disabling some graphics options, etc.

And with consoles and 720p30, if the game can't fully live up to at least one of those two, which is IMHO the bare minimum of playability, I'd call it a broken product right out of the box, it just doesn't work properly. The difference is, on PC, there's a chance a broken product will be fixed, either by official or unofficial means. On consoles... not so much.

Take GTA V, despite running at 720p, it simply can't maintain a stable 30 FPS. It may be a great game, but it's also a broken product, which is why I have no choice but to wait for the PC version.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="milannoir"]

 

Sounds like a user issue. And it's also a terrible argument, since PC gaming is more accessible today than it ever was, whereas consoles are losing simplicity each new gen (trying hard to be PCs). If someone finds getting a functional gaming rig too hard nowadays, I think he has bigger problems than that one in life, since lots of important things must be too hard for him.

milannoir

I must be a lucky guy. Never had that sort of thing happen to me, and I've been using both Nvidia and AMD hardware for years. So if I get what you're saying, the fact that something happens sometimes means it happens all the time. So then you are admitting that consoles always have abominable performance. Serioulsy Lowe, you're a joke of a poster. PC gaming has been easy for years now; driver issues happen rarely, to a minority of users, and don't "break" games, they just, for a short time, prevent people from maxing the game like they'd want. They can still play the game at a level of performance that humiliates consoles. If you want to be taken seriously, at elast TRY to know what you're talking about, because right now you sound like an angry anti-pc consolite from over ten years ago.

Too expensive -- But you do have to upgrade though. It's unrealistic to say otherwise. I'm pretty sure nobody decides to invest in PC gaming with the intention of being satisfied with the weak bare minimum of it.  I expect 1080p/60fps minimum for every game I play, otherwise, i'm wasting my time. I didn't pay $950 not too. And when unoptimized games like AC3 come along and i'm told the only way to play it above 15fps is to spend $400 more in upgrades for a game that looks vastly inferior to games like BF3 that I actually am running at 1080p/60fps, then yah, it's too expensive.

Boring MC -- Console gaming community is full of racist, sexist immature assholes who mothers were clearly better off swallowing...and you know what, I actually miss it. The PC community is so dull/boring. Srsly, where are the butthurt messages and rants console gamers get from kicking ass? Where are the entertaining arguments that I would sit in the lobby of a game I didn't even feel like playing just to enjoy? It just feels lonely as hell.

Second Class CT-- Yes, it's regarding both the quality of ports and delay of releases. Just like above, I didn't pay $950 not to get what I want day 1 and then on top of that, deal with terrible ports(if it even gets it at all). That's silly. If PC gaming actually had noteworthy exclusives to enjoy, I'd be more tolerant of it.

Steam-- Steam has its negatives as well. I feel like Steam takes away the thrill and selectivity aspect I would usually deal with when buying video games on consoles, because of all those crazy sales that encourage you to hoard other games as well that you will never get around too. It makes gaming feel like chore in the end when it's suppose to be relaxing. Console games might be overpriced but it makes me much more appreciative in the process. They have a much better variety of games as well.

Drivers-- Maybe dealing with drivers was the wrong choice of words here -- in actuality, it's mainly things like a random DLL file missing out of nowhere, having to find fixes for inverted controller compatibility issues, and ect. I just dun wanna deal with that. I rather put in my game and have everything work likes its suppose too. That's just another headache for me.

 

 

TecmoGirl

Yes you have to upgrade, but it's your choice and not an obligation. The thing with PC is that you get that, choice. If you want to get better quality, you actually can, but its obvious you have to pay. It tailors to each person's needs/wants which is what a console doesn't provide so far. It's great to actually have the benefit of reducing things like shadows or distance (just random examples) in order to maximize other things and still attain the FPS one is looking for. That choice isn't premade for you because that's what 'someone' else feels is best for the current setup.

Boring MC - Reading your explanation, I have to say its something that becomes personal preference. I understand where you're coming from now, and what I can say is that its still there. I personally got absolutely fed up with it and even avoided playing MP games for a while. But join a session of DOTA, LoL, WoW, you name your popular game, and trust me, it's there. It's the same internet that connects them on consoles and PC.

Second class - I'll agree with you here, while still maintaining my point of having a huge number of games available at a fraction of the price it costs on consoles.

Steam - It may or may not encourage hoarding, though I'll steer more towards it encouraging it. But again, it's your choice.

Drivers - Not wanting to deal with that, I understand. But people unaware of the situation (not you) need to understand that the process is MUCH more seamless than what it was before.

All in all, I love the choice and the freedom the PC has provided me and cringe when thinking about paying $60 for ONE game without bundles or offers a-la Bioshock Infinite with XCOM, Bioshock and Mafia 2 which I got for $45 on release day.

Thanks for reading my original reply.

[QUOTE="NameIess_One"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I wouldn't call them "sad", but yes, they are a negative for the platform. It's all about value, and a game that runs at 720p30, or even occasionally lower, is worth significantly more to me than one that doesn't work properly regardless of resolution or framerate.lowe0

I'm not too experienced with driver issues, but I doubt they just break your game completely all the time. Sometimes, they can be fixed by lowering or disabling some graphics options, etc.

And with consoles and 720p30, if the game can't fully live up to at least one of those two, which is IMHO the bare minimum of playability, I'd call it a broken product right out of the box, it just doesn't work properly. The difference is, on PC, there's a chance a broken product will be fixed, either by official or unofficial means. On consoles... not so much.

Take GTA V, despite running at 720p, it simply can't maintain a stable 30 FPS. It may be a great game, but it's also a broken product, which is why I have no choice but to wait for the PC version.

If I experienced the said issues, I'd call it a broken game, sure. However, I'd have the opportunity to revisit it at a later date with more powerful hardware, which would bring the issues under control.

With GTA V, though, that's not happening. On the PS3/360, it can't maintain stable 30 FPS now, and it won't be doing it 10 years from now. I clasify that as a major issue that won't ever be fixed (unless they release a "remake" on the PS4 and X1, but that doesn't count, since it would require you to buy the game again, due to the lack of BC).

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="NameIess_One"]

I'm not too experienced with driver issues, but I doubt they just break your game completely all the time. Sometimes, they can be fixed by lowering or disabling some graphics options, etc.

And with consoles and 720p30, if the game can't fully live up to at least one of those two, which is IMHO the bare minimum of playability, I'd call it a broken product right out of the box, it just doesn't work properly. The difference is, on PC, there's a chance a broken product will be fixed, either by official or unofficial means. On consoles... not so much.

Take GTA V, despite running at 720p, it simply can't maintain a stable 30 FPS. It may be a great game, but it's also a broken product, which is why I have no choice but to wait for the PC version.

NameIess_One

If I experienced the said issues, I'd call it a broken game, sure. However, I'd have the opportunity to revisit it at a later date with more powerful hardware, which would bring the issues under control.

With GTA V, though, that's not happening. On the PS3/360, it can't maintain stable 30 FPS now, and it won't be doing it 10 years from now. I clasify that as a major issue that won't ever be fixed (unless they release a "remake" on the PS4 and X1, but that doesn't count, since it would require you to buy the game again, due to the lack of BC).

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Thank you for proving my point. When something breaks, it shouldn't be "shit happens." It should be "how did we botch this, and how can we prevent it in the future?" There's just no drive to get it right the first time on PC. On consoles, there is - in the form of costly patch fees when they fail.lowe0

Hows it that GTA online mess working out on your ever so perfect consoles?

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

 

Hows it that GTA online mess working out on your ever so perfect consoles?

clyde46

[QUOTE="NameIess_One"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] If it's broken, then how did I finish it? I didn't see any glitches, any artifacts, any freezes, any problems whatsoever. When Crysis came out, I recall tons of framerate issues, dropping down to 10 fps as it thrashed the hard drive (despite the fact that I was running the x64 version and had 8 GB of RAM). Would you call Crysis a broken game?lowe0

If I experienced the said issues, I'd call it a broken game, sure. However, I'd have the opportunity to revisit it at a later date with more powerful hardware, which would bring the issues under control.

With GTA V, though, that's not happening. On the PS3/360, it can't maintain stable 30 FPS now, and it won't be doing it 10 years from now. I clasify that as a major issue that won't ever be fixed (unless they release a "remake" on the PS4 and X1, but that doesn't count, since it would require you to buy the game again, due to the lack of BC).

Depends on the perspective.

For me, playing the game severely held back by technical shortcomings of a system is nearly as bad as being entirely unable to play it. However, on the PC, most of the common issues can be fixed eventually, a demanding game will run better when you upgrade, and if you have a driver issue, sooner or later, you'll get one that will fix things. No such luxury on consoles.

You brought up BF3, which is indeed a valid example platform-based issues... however, at this moment, can you run and play it properly?

Low30 none of your arguements show pc games jumping ship as the OP suggests.

 

Infact games revenue and a growing concurrent userbase on steam or lol show the opposite.

 

Jankarcop

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="NameIess_One"]

If I experienced the said issues, I'd call it a broken game, sure. However, I'd have the opportunity to revisit it at a later date with more powerful hardware, which would bring the issues under control.

With GTA V, though, that's not happening. On the PS3/360, it can't maintain stable 30 FPS now, and it won't be doing it 10 years from now. I clasify that as a major issue that won't ever be fixed (unless they release a "remake" on the PS4 and X1, but that doesn't count, since it would require you to buy the game again, due to the lack of BC).

NameIess_One

Depends on the perspective.

For me, playing the game severely held back by technical shortcomings of a system is nearly as bad as being entirely unable to play it. However, on the PC, most of the common issues can be fixed eventually, a demanding game will run better when you upgrade, and if you have a driver issue, sooner or later, you'll get one that will fix things. No such luxury on consoles.

You brought up BF3, which is indeed a valid example platform-based issues... however, at this moment, can you run and play it properly?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Thank you for proving my point. When something breaks, it shouldn't be "shit happens." It should be "how did we botch this, and how can we prevent it in the future?" There's just no drive to get it right the first time on PC. On consoles, there is - in the form of costly patch fees when they fail.lowe0

Hows it that GTA online mess working out on your ever so perfect consoles?

[QUOTE="milannoir"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] I'm curious... when Nvidia or AMD break some other game chasing after an extra percent they can crow about in a driver update blog post, how is that the user's fault? Because Nvidia does it all. The. F**king. Time. A lot of driver headaches would go away if a GPU vendor would just focus on writing maintainable code that doesn't need to change much from one release to the next. Instead, they're chasing after benchmark wins, because that's management's priority, and if something breaks, they don't see that as a problem.lowe0

I must be a lucky guy. Never had that sort of thing happen to me, and I've been using both Nvidia and AMD hardware for years. So if I get what you're saying, the fact that something happens sometimes means it happens all the time. So then you are admitting that consoles always have abominable performance. Serioulsy Lowe, you're a joke of a poster. PC gaming has been easy for years now; driver issues happen rarely, to a minority of users, and don't "break" games, they just, for a short time, prevent people from maxing the game like they'd want. They can still play the game at a level of performance that humiliates consoles. If you want to be taken seriously, at elast TRY to know what you're talking about, because right now you sound like an angry anti-pc consolite from over ten years ago.

Oh. SO you just suck at building a rig, or making it function adequately. I'm not surprised, you don't sound like a very smart guy.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="milannoir"]

I must be a lucky guy. Never had that sort of thing happen to me, and I've been using both Nvidia and AMD hardware for years. So if I get what you're saying, the fact that something happens sometimes means it happens all the time. So then you are admitting that consoles always have abominable performance. Serioulsy Lowe, you're a joke of a poster. PC gaming has been easy for years now; driver issues happen rarely, to a minority of users, and don't "break" games, they just, for a short time, prevent people from maxing the game like they'd want. They can still play the game at a level of performance that humiliates consoles. If you want to be taken seriously, at elast TRY to know what you're talking about, because right now you sound like an angry anti-pc consolite from over ten years ago.

milannoir

Oh. SO you just suck at building a rig, or making it function adequately. I'm not surprised, you don't sound like a very smart guy.

Lowe how come you won't tell me how your entire debate line has to do with the OP/Topic?

PC gamers and sales are on the rise. Niether of which you wrote disproves this and how the OP was completely factually wrong 

[QUOTE="NameIess_One"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Except that GTA V's "issues" didn't prevent me from playing. BF3's artifacts and freezing, both caused by drivers (Nvidia's and Creative's, respectively) certainly did. It's false equivalence.lowe0

Depends on the perspective.

For me, playing the game severely held back by technical shortcomings of a system is nearly as bad as being entirely unable to play it. However, on the PC, most of the common issues can be fixed eventually, a demanding game will run better when you upgrade, and if you have a driver issue, sooner or later, you'll get one that will fix things. No such luxury on consoles.

You brought up BF3, which is indeed a valid example platform-based issues... however, at this moment, can you run and play it properly?

Better late than never. On the PS3, I'll never have the opportunity to play RDR at 720p, with the game resembling something more than a blurry mess that takes away from the experience. But BF3 still has an active community, and I believe it'll last for a few more years, so if you wanted to, you could keep playing.

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And how the hell do you manage to get antagonized so easily by other players in on-line games?

There may be plenty of assholes on-line, but to get singled out in a server... strikes me as pretty odd! :?

And while I never played BF3 on-line, spent over 250 hours in BFBC2 and never had any issues with hostile players to speak off... and with both being BF games targeting the same audiences, I highly doubt the community attitude is too different between them.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="NameIess_One"]

Depends on the perspective.

For me, playing the game severely held back by technical shortcomings of a system is nearly as bad as being entirely unable to play it. However, on the PC, most of the common issues can be fixed eventually, a demanding game will run better when you upgrade, and if you have a driver issue, sooner or later, you'll get one that will fix things. No such luxury on consoles.

You brought up BF3, which is indeed a valid example platform-based issues... however, at this moment, can you run and play it properly?

NameIess_One

Better late than never. On the PS3, I'll never have the opportunity to play RDR at 720p, with the game resembling something more than a blurry mess that takes away from the experience. But BF3 still has an active community, and I believe it'll last for a few more years, so if you wanted to, you could keep playing.

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And how the hell do you manage to get antagonized so easily by other players in on-line games?

There may be plenty of assholes on-line, but to get singled out in a server... strikes me as pretty odd! :?

And while I never played BF3 on-line, spent over 250 hours in BFBC2 and never had any issues with hostile players to speak off... and with both being BF games targeting the same audiences, I highly doubt the community attitude is too different between them.

By all means, feel free to tell me how I'm supposedly doing wrong by this amazing community I keep hearing about. I join the server, take the auto squad, figure out which player(s) are playing the objective, follow them (hanging back to as not to alert the other team to their position), drop health packs, and sweep left to right to catch flankers while they take the objective. Unless I have something relevant to the game to say, I keep quiet. So tell me, which of those activities is so offensive that I deserve whatever I get?lowe0

Hey, I'm not accusing you of anything, and neither am I claiming the on-line community on the PC is "amazing", I just find it curious you get singled out so easily.

I don't know, maybe you aren't racking up much score, and are playing too passively while holding back too much, if you do that too often, in some servers, you'll get kicked out for "wasting" server room.

In any case, if I were to offer you some general advice, I'd tell you not to choose and enter servers at random. For each game mode you play more often, find a few servers where you aren't getting mistreated, and save them as favorites. Saves you the hassle of going through the server browser every time you want to play, and also, if you stick to a few servers for a while and get to know the regulars and the admin, no one will bother you. That's how I do things, and always had a pleasant game experience. In BC2, I even befriended an admin once, he asked me if I wanted to take his place when he moves onto BF3, but I refused.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

 

Hows it that GTA online mess working out on your ever so perfect consoles?

wis3boi

Lowe0 has always been a very dishonest poster.

 I'm speaking from my experience.lowe0

Your anecdotal evidence is completely worthless in this debate.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]By all means, feel free to tell me how I'm supposedly doing wrong by this amazing community I keep hearing about. I join the server, take the auto squad, figure out which player(s) are playing the objective, follow them (hanging back to as not to alert the other team to their position), drop health packs, and sweep left to right to catch flankers while they take the objective. Unless I have something relevant to the game to say, I keep quiet. So tell me, which of those activities is so offensive that I deserve whatever I get?NameIess_One

Hey, I'm not accusing you of anything, and neither am I claiming the on-line community on the PC is "amazing", I just find it curious you get singled out so easily.

I don't know, maybe you aren't racking up much score, and are playing too passively while holding back too much, if you do that too often, in some servers, you'll get kicked out for "wasting" server room.

In any case, if I were to offer you some general advice, I'd tell you not to choose and enter servers at random. For each game mode you play more often, find a few servers where you aren't getting mistreated, and save them as favorites. Saves you the hassle of going through the server browser every time you want to play, and also, if you stick to a few servers for a while and get to know the regulars and the admin, no one will bother you. That's how I do things, and always had a pleasant game experience. In BC2, I even befriended an admin once, he asked me if I wanted to take his place when he moves onto BF3, but I refused.

Why is it that people love to imply, but as soon as they're called out on it, all of a sudden they're not accusing?lowe0

You got caught out about the GTA issues and you choose to lie about it.

Yet more of your double standards Lowe0.

Having attacked PC gaming on as many levels you could think of you have now resorted to bugs in PC games, yet you have been shown that console games suffer from many bugs, often showstoppers that you chose to ignore.

Even worse the poor resolution and very poor framerate present in the many console games that you attempt to hand wave away with the excuse 'I don't mind'.

You are consistatly dishonest to the point of outright lies.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

Why is it that people love to imply, but as soon as they're called out on it, all of a sudden they're not accusing?tenaka2

You got caught out about the GTA issues and you choose to lie about it.

Yet more of your double standards Lowe0.

Having attacked PC gaming on as many levels you could think of you have now resorted to bugs in PC games, yet you have been shown that console games suffer from many bugs, often showstoppers that you chose to ignore.

Even worse the poor resolution and very poor framerate present in the many console games that you attempt to hand wave away with the excuse 'I don't mind'.

You are consistatly dishonest to the point of outright lies.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

Why is it that people love to imply, but as soon as they're called out on it, all of a sudden they're not accusing?lowe0

You got caught out about the GTA issues and you choose to lie about it.

Yet more of your double standards Lowe0.

Having attacked PC gaming on as many levels you could think of you have now resorted to bugs in PC games, yet you have been shown that console games suffer from many bugs, often showstoppers that you chose to ignore.

Even worse the poor resolution and very poor framerate present in the many console games that you attempt to hand wave away with the excuse 'I don't mind'.

You are consistatly dishonest to the point of outright lies.

gtfo lowe, we are all tired of you

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

Why is it that people love to imply, but as soon as they're called out on it, all of a sudden they're not accusing?lowe0

You got caught out about the GTA issues and you choose to lie about it.

Yet more of your double standards Lowe0.

Having attacked PC gaming on as many levels you could think of you have now resorted to bugs in PC games, yet you have been shown that console games suffer from many bugs, often showstoppers that you chose to ignore.

Even worse the poor resolution and very poor framerate present in the many console games that you attempt to hand wave away with the excuse 'I don't mind'.

You are consistatly dishonest to the point of outright lies.

So for you, the framerate issues, pop up issues, garage issues that caused restarts were not a problem? Very forgiving, yet having to install new graphic drivers on PC is a huge issue for you?

Double standards again.

How about the GTA online issues that have caused major issues and has been widely publicised and caused massive upset? Doesn't this completely destroy your 'work out of the box' argument that you have been pushing of late?

Saying this issue does not affect you personally does not change the fact that your chosen platform has serious issues with regards quality control. Despite the picture you are trying to paint.

[QUOTE="NameIess_One"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]By all means, feel free to tell me how I'm supposedly doing wrong by this amazing community I keep hearing about. I join the server, take the auto squad, figure out which player(s) are playing the objective, follow them (hanging back to as not to alert the other team to their position), drop health packs, and sweep left to right to catch flankers while they take the objective. Unless I have something relevant to the game to say, I keep quiet. So tell me, which of those activities is so offensive that I deserve whatever I get?lowe0

Hey, I'm not accusing you of anything, and neither am I claiming the on-line community on the PC is "amazing", I just find it curious you get singled out so easily.

I don't know, maybe you aren't racking up much score, and are playing too passively while holding back too much, if you do that too often, in some servers, you'll get kicked out for "wasting" server room.

In any case, if I were to offer you some general advice, I'd tell you not to choose and enter servers at random. For each game mode you play more often, find a few servers where you aren't getting mistreated, and save them as favorites. Saves you the hassle of going through the server browser every time you want to play, and also, if you stick to a few servers for a while and get to know the regulars and the admin, no one will bother you. That's how I do things, and always had a pleasant game experience. In BC2, I even befriended an admin once, he asked me if I wanted to take his place when he moves onto BF3, but I refused.

What do you mean? :?

I'm simply curious here, with no hostile intentions. Hell, I even offered you advice which could hopefully make your on-line experience on the PC more pleasant and simple.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

 

You got caught out about the GTA issues and you choose to lie about it.

Yet more of your double standards Lowe0.

 

Having attacked PC gaming on as many levels you could think of you have now resorted to bugs in PC games, yet you have been shown that console games suffer from many bugs, often showstoppers that you chose to ignore.

Even worse the poor resolution and very poor framerate present in the many console games that you attempt to hand wave away with the excuse 'I don't mind'.

 

You are consistatly dishonest to the point of outright lies.

tenaka2

So for you, the framerate issues, pop up issues, garage issues that caused restarts were not a problem? Very forgiving, yet having to install new graphic drivers on PC is a huge issue for you?

Double standards again.

How about the GTA online issues that have caused major issues and has been widely publicised and caused massive upset? Doesn't this completely destroy your 'work out of the box' argument that you have been pushing of late?

Saying this issue does not affect you personally does not change the fact that your chosen platform has serious issues with regards quality control. Despite the picture you are trying to paint.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="NameIess_One"]

Hey, I'm not accusing you of anything, and neither am I claiming the on-line community on the PC is "amazing", I just find it curious you get singled out so easily.

I don't know, maybe you aren't racking up much score, and are playing too passively while holding back too much, if you do that too often, in some servers, you'll get kicked out for "wasting" server room.

In any case, if I were to offer you some general advice, I'd tell you not to choose and enter servers at random. For each game mode you play more often, find a few servers where you aren't getting mistreated, and save them as favorites. Saves you the hassle of going through the server browser every time you want to play, and also, if you stick to a few servers for a while and get to know the regulars and the admin, no one will bother you. That's how I do things, and always had a pleasant game experience. In BC2, I even befriended an admin once, he asked me if I wanted to take his place when he moves onto BF3, but I refused.

NameIess_One

What do you mean? :?

I'm simply curious here, with no hostile intentions. Hell, I even offered you advice which could hopefully make your on-line experience on the PC more pleasant and simple.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Hey, a post that at least partially wasn't bait! That's improvement. So, I'll respond to the part that wasn't bait.... I'm not dismissing console framerate "issues" because "I don't mind". I'm dismissing them because they don't prevent me from playing the game. GTA V is playable. I put it in my PS3, played it start to finish, and then took it out. No freezes. No artifacts. Just gameplay.lowe0

So for you, the framerate issues, pop up issues, garage issues that caused restarts were not a problem? Very forgiving, yet having to install new graphic drivers on PC is a huge issue for you?

Double standards again.

How about the GTA online issues that have caused major issues and has been widely publicised and caused massive upset? Doesn't this completely destroy your 'work out of the box' argument that you have been pushing of late?

Saying this issue does not affect you personally does not change the fact that your chosen platform has serious issues with regards quality control. Despite the picture you are trying to paint.

You ignored the whole post, I understand why, it would be damning to your argument. Ill post in again, to see if you have the guts to address any of the points regarding GTA.

So for you, the framerate issues, pop up issues, garage issues that caused restarts were not a problem? Very forgiving, yet having to install new graphic drivers on PC is a huge issue for you?

Double standards again.

How about the GTA online issues that have caused major issues and has been widely publicised and caused massive upset? Doesn't this completely destroy your 'work out of the box' argument that you have been pushing of late?

Saying this issue does not affect you personally does not change the fact that your chosen platform has serious issues with regards quality control. Despite the picture you are trying to paint.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

So for you, the framerate issues, pop up issues, garage issues that caused restarts were not a problem? Very forgiving, yet having to install new graphic drivers on PC is a huge issue for you?

Double standards again.

How about the GTA online issues that have caused major issues and has been widely publicised and caused massive upset? Doesn't this completely destroy your 'work out of the box' argument that you have been pushing of late?

 

Saying this issue does not affect you personally does not change the fact that your chosen platform has serious issues with regards quality control. Despite the picture you are trying to paint.

tenaka2

You ignored the whole post, I understand why, it would be damning to your argument. Ill post in again, to see if you have the guts to address any of the points regarding GTA.

So for you, the framerate issues, pop up issues, garage issues that caused restarts were not a problem? Very forgiving, yet having to install new graphic drivers on PC is a huge issue for you?

Double standards again.

How about the GTA online issues that have caused major issues and has been widely publicised and caused massive upset? Doesn't this completely destroy your 'work out of the box' argument that you have been pushing of late?

Saying this issue does not affect you personally does not change the fact that your chosen platform has serious issues with regards quality control. Despite the picture you are trying to paint.

Teneka why

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