Consoles are still far behind PC when it comes to graphics but one of the main problems is our games get scaled down because of consoles. PC exclusive games look way better than console games if the devs go for high graphics.
@jereb31: click on metacritic and read the reviews. If you can't figure it out I'll post some quotes for you.
Yeah, can you publish a couple of links please. I had a quick search but it mostly came up with the generic "graphics are great" but not better than PC graphics or best in industry etc. like you mentioned earlier.
ie. "You have multiple reviews stating it's the best looking game period..."
Your opener wasn't exactly pleasant. I'm biased, but I have reason to call you a raging fanboy. Should we go through your post history of Pro-Playstation and Anti-Xbox promotions? If I ever start a thread along the lines of PC master race or similar, you can call me by the same title.
So...a bunch of mutiplatform games and a last generation games that runs on PS3 and xbox 360? That's you submission?
LOL FAIL!
So engine scalability is now a bad thing? Aside from the obvious dodge, I can now see where this is going...
First and foremost, you haven't played UC4!
Neither have you so...Next? LOL!
So, a bunch of speculation, wishful thinking, fanboy dreams and JUST WAIT then? Gotcha
What a terrible argument! So once again you have ignored the merits of my argument and have moved on to questioning my credibility. Let me guess, you own all of the above games and play at maximum settings? Let's see the proof there buddy, what's running in your computer? Let's see it.
Resolution won't make the base graphics 'more' impressive than they actually are.
Error in your logic. Higher resolution prevents assets from effectively being "downgraded" at the pixel rendering stage in the pipeline. The higher the resolution, the clearer the presentation of the assets.
Clearly you ignored all of the objective data on resolution and proceeded to make ridiculous comparisons across not only two different games, but hardware generations as well. Desperate much? Face it, 4k matters.
You started making excuses things that don't like like what you see in screenshots and I repled to that with a perfectly valid counter that extends that same argument to PC. If you don't want to talk about that subject it's fine but don't deflect and make excuses when the same done on PC.
Your counter wasn't valid. At all. You basically tried to claim that because some PC gamers have weak computers and adjust settings for screenshots that applies to PC gamers in general. It doesn't, but it does for consoles.
I never claimed to be an objective source. Comprehension is a valuable skill...
You'd never admit a console game was better than anything on PC, as proof you had the audacity to claim a last generation game (crysis 3) that also ran on PS3 and 360 to looked better than Uncharted 4. Do you realize how silly that makes you look?
Ok, so since you're so hung up on last generation impacting the game please enlighten us on why a highly gimped Crysis 3 running on the Xbox 360 makes the PC Crysis 3 inferior graphically to other modern titles? Specifically.
1. You NEVER get the full experience of a games graphics from a still screen shot.
2. Video no natively ran from a system also don't give off the true graphics or resolution fidelity.
3. Hermits are always quick to tell console fans who judge shots/vids of PC games and aren't impressed, "you've obviously never seem the games run in person" Now you sound like you throw all that out the window when the discussing this game. I guess fanboyism that is all you need to judge.
1 and 2. So first of all, no shit. Secondly, this doesn't help your point. PC games run at higher than common resolution, not PS4 games, so if anything Hermits are hurt in video and screenshot comparisons. In comparing game play footage at the same resolution its all the same as youtube compression applies equally.
3. I'm not "Hermits", I am only responsible for what I say. So we can skip the drivel.
And yes :) my opinion ISN'T unbiased either, which is why I'm asking you if you have something to back up your claims since you are also biased and haven't touched UC4???????????????????????
I'm asking the same of you. Why are you admitting to the obvious?
You are supporting the claims of the OP, the burden of proof is on you and the OP.
First of all if you open up your line of dialogue with me belligerently saying "you're a raging fanboy" when I didn't come at you like that don't expect others to smile and accept your unwarranted hostile outburst simply because it's something think is appropriate in that irrational and fantastical mind of yours. That right there makes you a off the wall fanatic.
And YES you are a fanboy we agree as your posts clearly show you are and I do have a reason to call you a raging fanboy due to your pro-PC promotion and anti-PlayStation promotion! *eye roll* And...I don't need your permission call you a raging fanboy when that is the tone and attitude you take when entering a discussion! That is on YOU!
Next, you have terrible arguments and you seem to ignore points people make to revolve back around to make the same terrible arguments post after post.
1. Scaling doesn't change the games. marginally better graphically but not space alien technology like soe
2. right, I haven't played UC4, but you're claiming last gen games look better haha you have 0 credibility based off that fact alone.
3. You actually think you have a claim to make arguments based off games you didn't play to judge another game you didn't play and think you have a claim to protest me dismissing what you said? Are you serious? I'm not going to argue with your fantasies lol next
4. Again with the resolution, now who is the one who has the error in logic, I completely understand everything about resolution buddy. Again it's not space alien technology no matter how much you play it up. The desperation of you with this to try to make it up as if mutiplats are different games is pathetic.
It won't change base framework of the graphics or anything It's a darn boost to pixel count. All this desperate ranting about console ports when PC and console multiplats are closer than ever before in terms of graphical fidelity is really funny. It's like if you actually believe they are different games HAHA I think it's time for a.............
REALITY CHECK!
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Graphics Comparison | PC vs PS4 | Max Settings (60 FPS) | Gameplay & Review
LMAO...dat mysterious space alien technology on full display!!! Man the difference is so great I can't even tell it's the same game :O !!! lol..........NOT!
And this would take care of your resolution, texture, and any other graphical bump excuses you can think of to claim you are playing some kind of mysterious gift from heaven that is unknown to current gen console gamers instead of what it actually is...a console port with a few graphical buffs but still very much looking like the same damn game.
5. For your question about last generation Crysis 3 refer to the points and ^video from point no4
6. I brought up the point about us both NOT being objective because I know as an extreme PC fanboy *you* would try to state things as fact that you had no way of proving and continue along those same augments throughout the entire discussion and I was proven right with your examples of games you say were graphically superior to UC4 and you hadn't touched the game.
6a. As a fanboy "raging at that" lol, I know you would not accept anything that suggested that UC4 looked better than anything on PC (even though there is really nothing on PC that should warrant a protest from you) because you are that defensive. I was just trying to see if you had anything to support your claims other than the same run around PC gamers have been preaching since last gen. It's the same ol shit your saying but this is a new gen and console multiplats is all PC has been getting to test their expensive cards.
The funny thing is I honestly won't form an opinion, other than thinking people are idiotic to suggest a buffed up last generation title will best true current gen show stopper, until I actually play the game myself. Do I think UC4 is the best looking game of the generation? Considering the games PC gamer try to suggest look better? lol why would I doubt it!
You ask me for a burden of proof but as a fanboy how would your respond excuses, damage control or like some of the more reasonable hermits accept the fact because there simply isn't a game out on PC yet that has reached that level? Depending on your answer, I will see if I can find something other than two biased system wars users (me and you) going back and forth.
The fact that it does must really boil your blood.
You better bring out your alts so as you don't look foolish on your own.
The only people looking foolish are the people like you who have resorted to pulling out last generation console ports trying to pass them off as something that's supposed to look better than what has been called the best looking game of our current generation.
It really makes non-PS4 owning fanboys blood boil that the best looking game of the generation is a PS4 exclusive and they've resorted to pulling last generation games out the rear haha.
:)
That doesn't matter, even some parts of oblivion looks better than uncharted 4 in 4k , you don't seem to understand that games like uncharted 4 look so good because of increased texture resolution.. But if you increase the resolution of an older game to a crazy amount like 4k, that lower texture resolution game will all of sudden have higher resolution textures just because the overall resolution is so insanely high.
Of course that is if you can look past the lower polygons of animated objects, but with late last gen titles like crysis 3 those polygons arent that much less. Crysis 3 may be a last gen game, but the x360 and ps3 were watered down versions. You would be surprised what last gen machines can still handle when you crank down the texture resolution, overall resolution, antialiasing, shadowing, lighting and the amount of world objects.
Put a current gen title at 4k, like ac unity and uncharted 4 really doesn't look that impressive. In ac unity you come into a church where there are hundreds of npc's, with complex ai and extremely detailed. Put that through a monster pc at 4k and your eyes will fall out of your sockets.
Of course you need a 4k monitor or tv for that, and a 2000$ setup to boot. Something you don't have and haven't even seen yet, otherwise you wouldn't spout this nonsense. A game running on a gpu that hardly surpasses 7 year old pc tech with a gimped cpu will not match a pc game using todays tech. The release of the new cards in june will even make the comparison more ridiculous than it already is.
@casharmy: Firstly, you've never played a high end PC game, so you have absolutely nothing to base your comparison on. That's cool, you're just showing that your opinion is based on what other people say. Carry on following the heard. Have you even played Uncharted 4 yet?
Secondly, the UK release date is May 10th so the UK can't play it yet., hence "we will know in a couple of days". The world is not America.
@lastcoin You do realise that any PC component that out performs a PS4 will always out perform a PS4, regardless of the time it exists for or how powerful the new hardware that comes after it is. You also don't need anything more than an i3 CPU and a 750Ti GPU to get better performance in a lot of games and you never will, even in 100 years time.
lol you don't know me bud.
Stop acting like you know anything about me or what I've done or played. This is that next level fanboy projection garbage that comes from the most extreme fanatics that borders on lunacy. Stick to what you know. Furthermore, I'm NOT making a comparison Mr delusional hermit fakeboy, I haven't played UC4 and neither have you.
Also, yes I favor playstation but I am realistic and make reasonable arguments as I said when true current gen games like Star Citizen come out to PC things may change...but you on the other hand are extremely biased for xbox and hide being PC at every opportunity that presents itself. You only wear your hermit clothes when it's an opportunity to downplay something on PS4. Save you breath trying to suggest that someone else is biased other than yourself.
Very true. This is the same argument that came up last gen with MGS4. Shit goes to cows head so fast, man.
smh and the bitterness and buthurtt been ate away xbox fanboy brain cells a long time ago. Dude you guys are so delusional with the excuses and tears all hiding behind PC. It really kills you guys that this game is not only unanimously critically priased but also has the top tier graphics of the generation.
I guess everyone who isn't a bitter crying fanboy downplaying UC4 is a "cow" in your eyes huh?
You own a PS4 so stop with the victim complex and "cow" garbage in every post....look around bud everyone, other that the most desperate anti-sony fanboy mob squad, has praised this game for having some of the best if not the best graphics in a game...ever! Cry moar "bu but teh c...co....cow.....cowz!"
Uncharted looks amazing because Naughty Dog has some of the best artists and programmers in the industry working for them. The guys who work on Uncharted are the same guys making tutorials for the rest of the industry to learn from, they're on another level compared to most studios.
Same deal with the upcoming Horizon, they hired Mike Nash, one of the top hard surface designers in the industry, to handle many of their designs.
It's not about the plastic box with the PS4 logo on it, it's about Sony hiring the best of the best to create the most stunning visuals they can within those confines.
On a technical level plenty of PC games will run circles around Uncharted 4, but when you hire the best talent around and funnel boatloads of cash into a project, you're going to get some sweet results.
I think this UC4 review has driven Casharmy off the deep-end lol.
I'm not a lemming so I'm fine but perhaps you may need some assistance since you favor xbox and my posts upset you. i'm having fun with all this and you guys just want us all to quietly take the game and peacefully go about our way without making and fuss about it.
The problem is so many people here have been downplaying everything on PS4 no matter how good it was doing, that if the the fans who've been told PS4 graphics a are crap compared to anything on PC and it has only 1 game until now...if they can't speak up with UC4 getting a 10 here and have been getting praise as one of the best looking games ever, when can they speak up?
It's ok for lems, hermits and sheep to praise their games and all the things that OBJECTIVE opinions agree with but not sony fans right?
This is system wars and if you hate the fact that it's PS4's time to shine and PlayStation fan's time to bask in praise of an exclusive game only found on PS4...then log off.
Uncharted looks amazing because Naughty Dog has some of the best artists and programmers in the industry working for them. The guys who work on Uncharted are the same guys making tutorials for the rest of the industry to learn from, they're on another level compared to most studios.
Same deal with the upcoming Horizon, they hired Mike Nash, one of the top hard surface designers in the industry, to handle many of their designs.
It's not about the plastic box with the PS4 logo on it, it's about Sony hiring the best of the best to create the most stunning visuals they can within those confines.
On a technical level plenty of PC games will run circles around Uncharted 4, but when you hire the best talent around and funnel boatloads of cash into a project, you're going to get some sweet results.
with this I'll add..........
"Uncharted 4 looks so good it’s actually kind of confusing — like, what is everyone else’s excuse? I haven’t seen any other PlayStation 4 or Xbox One that can compare. I don’t know if any have even come close. A combination of incredible animation, great acting, and detailed models make each character appear convincing and real.
The environments are spectacular. Outdoor locations are dense and full of color, always giving opportunities to enjoy the scenery. You’ll often see views that stretch out, showing vistas of islands, cities, and oceans worthy of postcards. Even indoor locations, such as catacombs to even laundry rooms, have fun details to discover. Nothing feels copy-and-pasted (OK, I think I saw the same painting hanging in a few different locations).
This game looks so good it stands as an argument against Sony’s rumored PlayStation 4 Neo, a supposed new version of the system with more powerful hardware. If Uncharted 4 can look this pretty, why do we need something that can handle better graphics? Of course, no one else seems to be able to make a game shine on a console as well as Naughty Dog does. I’m beginning to wonder what horrible Well of Souls that studio dunked itself into in order achieve these graphics."
One, of many opinions that isn't from a biased system wars fanboy which details how overwhelmingly it bests other games graphically this gen.
And dat last sentence....lol :P Naughty Godz.
@deadline-zero0 said:
Watching people hyping up UC4 when the original, mindblowing reveal scene that ran 60fps doesn't even exist anymore.
ND so good that actually had a memory lapse about that "totally in-engine footage running at 60fps, for realz" video.
Also, no, UC4 has ALOT of low rez texture work and poor AO and shadowing.
lol at this delusion first hand account and commentary of UC4. "ALOT of low rez texture work" FAIL! Tell us more about it from your imaginary PS4?
Fanboy technical run downs are fun and all but you guys had your chance for those phony evaluations based speculation, low res screen shots and ego driven hot air. Now it's time for outside objective options to weigh so you can stop pretending like projections and opinion mean anything.
Obviously, refer to the quote from an objection speaker when touching on the details of UC4's graphics, you are just speaking from misguided fanboyism and weak source material..I.E YOU haven't played the games stop trying to act like you can inform people who it looks compared to other games!
lol talking about the UC4 reveal as if the actual game somehow has disappointed graphically, coming from a rabid anti-playstation fanboy, your response was always going to be damage control or claiming some up rezed PC port looks 100x better. if UC4 blows every console game out the water, you're going to be hard pressed to find a simple up rezed PC ports look (outside of resolution) that is on par with UC4 graphically.
@casharmy: Maybe you should go read the hype thread, fella. I'm one of the posters that didn't downplay uncharted 4. Fact is consoles cannot match PC in graphics. You want to think/say I'm hiding? Hey knock yourself out. I addressed the topic of this thread only. In no way shape or form did I insult or put down my most anticipated game this year.
This game looks so good it stands as an argument against Sony’s rumored PlayStation 4 Neo, a supposed new version of the system with more powerful hardware. If Uncharted 4 can look this pretty, why do we need something that can handle better graphics? Of course, no one else seems to be able to make a game shine on a console as well as Naughty Dog does. I’m beginning to wonder what horrible Well of Souls that studio dunked itself into in order achieve these graphics."
@casharmy: Firstly, you've never played a high end PC game, so you have absolutely nothing to base your comparison on. That's cool, you're just showing that your opinion is based on what other people say. Carry on following the heard. Have you even played Uncharted 4 yet?
Secondly, the UK release date is May 10th so the UK can't play it yet., hence "we will know in a couple of days". The world is not America.
@lastcoin You do realise that any PC component that out performs a PS4 will always out perform a PS4, regardless of the time it exists for or how powerful the new hardware that comes after it is. You also don't need anything more than an i3 CPU and a 750Ti GPU to get better performance in a lot of games and you never will, even in 100 years time.
lol you don't know me bud.
Stop acting like you know anything about me or what I've done or played. This is that next level fanboy projection garbage that comes from the most extreme fanatics that borders on lunacy. Stick to what you know. Furthermore, I'm NOT making a comparison Mr delusional hermit fakeboy, I haven't played UC4 and neither have you.
Also, yes I favor playstation but I am realistic and make reasonable arguments as I said when true current gen games like Star Citizen come out to PC things may change...but you on the other hand are extremely biased for xbox and hide being PC at every opportunity that presents itself. You only wear your hermit clothes when it's an opportunity to downplay something on PS4. Save you breath trying to suggest that someone else is biased other than yourself.
you certainly haven't seen 4k graphics otherwise you wouldn't keep on posting this bullshit.
The fact that it does must really boil your blood.
You better bring out your alts so as you don't look foolish on your own.
The only people looking foolish are the people like you who have resorted to pulling out last generation console ports trying to pass them off as something that's supposed to look better than what has been called the best looking game of our current generation.
It really makes non-PS4 owning fanboys blood boil that the best looking game of the generation is a PS4 exclusive and they've resorted to pulling last generation games out the rear haha.
:)
That doesn't matter, even some parts of oblivion looks better than uncharted 4 in 4k , you don't seem to understand that games like uncharted 4 look so good because of increased texture resolution.. But if you increase the resolution of an older game to a crazy amount like 4k, that lower texture resolution game will all of sudden have higher resolution textures just because the overall resolution is so insanely high.
Of course that is if you can look past the lower polygons of animated objects, but with late last gen titles like crysis 3 those polygons arent that much less. Crysis 3 may be a last gen game, but the x360 and ps3 were watered down versions. You would be surprised what last gen machines can still handle when you crank down the texture resolution, overall resolution, antialiasing, shadowing, lighting and the amount of world objects.
Put a current gen title at 4k, like ac unity and uncharted 4 really doesn't look that impressive. In ac unity you come into a church where there are hundreds of npc's, with complex ai and extremely detailed. Put that through a monster pc at 4k and your eyes will fall out of your sockets.
Of course you need a 4k monitor or tv for that, and a 2000$ setup to boot. Something you don't have and haven't even seen yet, otherwise you wouldn't spout this nonsense. A game running on a gpu that hardly surpasses 7 year old pc tech with a gimped cpu will not match a pc game using todays tech. The release of the new cards in june will even make the comparison more ridiculous than it already is.
So...............you're a PC gamer again?
lol you claimed you were only playing consoles. When you decide which brand of fakeboying you want to follow get back to me.
@casharmy: Maybe you should go read the hype thread, fella. I'm one of the posters that didn't downplay uncharted 4. Fact is consoles cannot match PC in graphics. You want to think/say I'm hiding? Hey knock yourself out. I addressed the topic of this thread only. In no way shape or form did I insult or put down my most anticipated game this year.
Well stop making bitter sounding post going on about "cows" when clearly it isn't cows who put it out there how this game is graphically crushing everything on the market.
That's why I took issue with your post. it's short sighted and petty. You could have left off the cows bit off and your post would have been fine because fact of the matter is objective opinions don't care bout fanboys crying about "cows" and what not they are just reporting their honest impressions of the game unlike the fanboys with their fake technical breakdowns in this thread.
Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End is the conclusion that Naughty Dog’s landmark series deserves
Uncharted 4 looks so good it’s actually kind of confusing — like, what is everyone else’s excuse? I haven’t seen any other PlayStation 4 or Xbox One that can compare. I don’t know if any have even come close. A combination of incredible animation, great acting, and detailed models make each character appear convincing and real.
The environments are spectacular. Outdoor locations are dense and full of color, always giving opportunities to enjoy the scenery. You’ll often see views that stretch out, showing vistas of islands, cities, and oceans worthy of postcards. Even indoor locations, such as catacombs to even laundry rooms, have fun details to discover. Nothing feels copy-and-pasted (OK, I think I saw the same painting hanging in a few different locations).
This game looks so good it stands as an argument against Sony’s rumored PlayStation 4 Neo, a supposed new version of the system with more powerful hardware. If Uncharted 4 can look this pretty, why do we need something that can handle better graphics? Of course, no one else seems to be able to make a game shine on a console as well as Naughty Dog does. I’m beginning to wonder what horrible Well of Souls that studio dunked itself into in order achieve these graphics.
First off, Witcher3 PC vs Console looks very different when actually looking at full sized screenshots rather than Youtube videos,having played them both.
PS4: http://gearnuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/witcher3-comp-pc-1.jpg //// PC: http://gearnuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/witcher3-comp-pc-1-2.jpg , Then Lets not even mention water, lighting, hair, and 4k resolution.
Also, check out Syndicate: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ac-syndicate-graphics-on-pc-vs-ps4-32776073/#40
Secondly, I've seen plenty of Uncharted 4 gameplay screenshots (not photomode or cutscene) posted by Users who have their early copies delivered. It looks great, but is far from graphics king. PC games on maximum settings such as Battlefront, Witcher, Forza, Star Citizen, and Unreal have it beat for over all graphics fidelity. I feel that Battlefield1 and Deus Ex will also be additions to that list, the PC versions that is. These are direct feeds taken by said users:
(Open these in large format, GFX KING? Not even close. Still pretty.)
This game looks so good it stands as an argument against Sony’s rumored PlayStation 4 Neo, a supposed new version of the system with more powerful hardware. If Uncharted 4 can look this pretty, why do we need something that can handle better graphics? Of course, no one else seems to be able to make a game shine on a console as well as Naughty Dog does. I’m beginning to wonder what horrible Well of Souls that studio dunked itself into in order achieve these graphics."
Bolded an important part in that review for you :D
And another quote,
"It’s the best-looking console game ever"
Keen eye you have there :)
Can't slip anything past you can I? To be fair they didn't say it wasn't better than PCs best either :P
In any case I'm glad you read it's and considering hermits said this..
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was currently the best looking game on PC, and UC4 BLOWS THE PS4 VERSION OUT THE WATER, considering the PC version doesn't exactly scream a different game, honestly marginal "graphical" bump other than rez and fitering. UC4 is obviously the more impressive game on a basic graphics standpoint.
As an overall visual package (graphics, animation, art direction and cinematography) I think it's safe to say Uncharted 4 is head and shoulders above anything else on the market right now. Pretty much any PC game can have image quality cranked up to far surpass U4, quite a few have better texture quality and graphical effects, but none have all their elements come together to form such a polished experience. It has less to do with hardware and more to do with Naughty Dog being a big, well funded first party dev full of talented developers.
@casharmy: Maybe you should go read the hype thread, fella. I'm one of the posters that didn't downplay uncharted 4. Fact is consoles cannot match PC in graphics. You want to think/say I'm hiding? Hey knock yourself out. I addressed the topic of this thread only. In no way shape or form did I insult or put down my most anticipated game this year.
Well stop making bitter sounding post going on about "cows" when clearly it isn't cows who put it out there how this game is graphically crushing everything on the market.
That's why I took issue with your post. it's short sighted and petty. You could have left off the cows bit off and your post would have been fine because fact of the matter is objective opinions don't care bout fanboys crying about "cows" and what not they are just reporting their honest impressions of the game unlike the fanboys with their fake technical breakdowns in this thread.
Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End is the conclusion that Naughty Dog’s landmark series deserves
Uncharted 4 looks so good it’s actually kind of confusing — like, what is everyone else’s excuse? I haven’t seen any other PlayStation 4 or Xbox One that can compare. I don’t know if any have even come close. A combination of incredible animation, great acting, and detailed models make each character appear convincing and real.
The environments are spectacular. Outdoor locations are dense and full of color, always giving opportunities to enjoy the scenery. You’ll often see views that stretch out, showing vistas of islands, cities, and oceans worthy of postcards. Even indoor locations, such as catacombs to even laundry rooms, have fun details to discover. Nothing feels copy-and-pasted (OK, I think I saw the same painting hanging in a few different locations).
This game looks so good it stands as an argument against Sony’s rumored PlayStation 4 Neo, a supposed new version of the system with more powerful hardware. If Uncharted 4 can look this pretty, why do we need something that can handle better graphics? Of course, no one else seems to be able to make a game shine on a console as well as Naughty Dog does. I’m beginning to wonder what horrible Well of Souls that studio dunked itself into in order achieve these graphics.
Oh spare me. If what I posted "sounded" like anything that's the voice in your head you put to it. I love Uncharted, 4 is my most anticipated game of this year, I called Dynamitecop out on his bitterness so much in the hype thread someone even noted lems were tired of his BS. In no way shape or form am I bitter about a game I will be picking up at 10 AM May 10 as soon as the doors open. Facts are facts. No way can a console game ever beat out the best maxed out PC games in graphics. But just like when MGS4 scored 10 here last gen, the fanboys began their non sense ignoring technical facts. Don't ever tell me what to post again, I don't do it to you.
I felt that my response was well tempered. But if your feelings are hurt than I am sorry for that.
1. Hilariously wrong. Scaling IS the ability of the game to change depending on hardware, you're arguing against the concept itself. I asked you to point out what in Crysis 3 specifically was hindered by the last generation to a point where it is no longer a top graphics contender. You did not provide anything.
2. According to you we are both "random dudes on the internet". But you have more credibility? I could counter by saying that someone who believes that a tablet CPU paired with a slightly buffed 7850 produces better visuals than systems with 6x times the power has equally no credibility. But no, that would be ad hominem and not at all constructive to an argument. You're questioning my credibility because you have no objective points.
3. So let me get this straight - The OP makes a thread about a game that nobody in this lobby has played claiming better graphics than the entire PC library. I question this statement as being ridiculous and you run in to back him up saying that I have no means to denounce his proposal as I haven't played the game. However, you have also not played the game so by your own logic both yours and the OP's position is equally as false. And you claim I am fantasizing!
4. Anybody can claim that they know the effects of something and so forth. You haven't presented any evidence that debunks my points, and instead are relying on the age old colloquial "multi-platforms have worse graphics" argument that has only been valid on consoles. Uncharted 4 has much much lower image quality than any multiplatform running on a capable PC. And since that is a key facet in "overall graphics prowess" UC4 has already lost a key component in any graphics comparison. Or are you going to say that IQ doesn't matter?
It won't change base framework of the graphics or anything It's a darn boost to pixel count.
This shows that no, you don't know the effects of resolution in gaming. Would you deny polygon counts? Would you deny texture resolution? Rendering resolution effects everything displayed and until you can show me some magic rendering pipeline that the PS4 utilizes and isn't affected by this then you are otherwise just pulling things out of your ass or downplaying the difference between PS4 and PC multiplatforms. I won't get into that because it would just be me claiming that there is and you claiming that there isn't. I'll ask again, do you own a gaming PC capable of 4k? Or are you arguing from ignorance?
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Even so, how is a compressed Youtube video supposed to show the effects of resolution on texture work and so forth when your viewing display is very likely at 1080p?
The difference between Witcher 3 on PC and console is more than "a few graphical buffs." The console version runs at an average of medium settings and cuts down on a number of features, most noticeably hair works.
5. Two very different games, nice try. And I don't even agree about you Witcher assessment.
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - the Digital Foundry verdict
Overall, CD Projekt Red's legacy as a developer is deeply entrenched in PC, and to a great extent it shows in this version's extras. Everything from hair physics to broader draw distances make it a cut above console - a sharper, richer-looking release that also benefits from superior textures and effects.
Emphasis on "to a great extent". Digital Foundry are far more objective than either of us. And they claim you are fool of shit.
6. Refer to 3.
You say you are not going to form an opinion, than argue from opinions. At least I am presenting why I conclude so and so is better looking from objective evidence. Do you know how to debate?
Who are these "reasonable hermits"? Reading through this thread it seems like most disagree with you. Can you call several hermits in to back up your claims? Seems most of them are on my side.
This game looks so good it stands as an argument against Sony’s rumored PlayStation 4 Neo, a supposed new version of the system with more powerful hardware. If Uncharted 4 can look this pretty, why do we need something that can handle better graphics? Of course, no one else seems to be able to make a game shine on a console as well as Naughty Dog does. I’m beginning to wonder what horrible Well of Souls that studio dunked itself into in order achieve these graphics."
Bolded an important part in that review for you :D
And another quote,
"It’s the best-looking console game ever"
Keen eye you have there :)
Can't slip anything past you can I? To be fair they didn't say it wasn't better than PCs best either :P
In any case I'm glad you read it's and considering hermits said this..
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was currently the best looking game on PC, and UC4 BLOWS THE PS4 VERSION OUT THE WATER, considering the PC version doesn't exactly scream a different game, honestly marginal "graphical" bump other than rez and fitering. UC4 is obviously the more impressive game on a basic graphics standpoint.
BTW: that PC version is MAX out at 60fps!
Yeah, subjective opinion is subjective.
In terms of open world and sheer number of rendered objects, Witcher 3 probably has the lead, in terms of resolution Witcher 3 has the lead, in terms of texture resolution I dunno, in terms of lighting I dunno.
Pretty much any PC game can have image quality cranked up to far surpass U4, quite a few have better texture quality and graphical effects,
A great overall package would be the best gfx and effects (PC) during GAMEPLAY(PC) at 60 fps (PC). Animations aren't going to save you with this one when the game is only locked to 30 fps, small scope cinematic gameplay, and still not even the top 5 gfx. Just like animations did not save Uncharted3 and The Last of Us didn't stop PC from being seen as the lead of graphics last gen. Just look at the UC4 shots I posted.
First off, Witcher3 PC vs Console looks very different when actually looking at full sized screenshots rather than Youtube videos,having played them both.
PS4: http://gearnuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/witcher3-comp-pc-1.jpg //// PC: http://gearnuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/witcher3-comp-pc-1-2.jpg , Then Lets not even mention water, lighting, hair, and 4k resolution.
Also, check out Syndicate: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ac-syndicate-graphics-on-pc-vs-ps4-32776073/#40
Secondly, I've seen plenty of Uncharted 4 gameplay screenshots (not photomode or cutscene) posted by Users who have their early copies delivered. It looks great, but is far from graphics king. PC games on maximum settings such as Battlefront, Witcher, Forza, Star Citizen, and Unreal have it beat for over all graphics fidelity. I feel that Battlefield1 and Deus Ex will also be additions to that list, the PC versions that is. These are direct feeds taken by said users:
(Open these in large format, GFX KING? Not even close. Still pretty.)
lol you are out of touch with reality.
I don't care what "shots" you've seen or what unreleased PC games and up rezed console ports you want to suggest and better looking games than UC4. You are just another random biased system wars fanboy making posts out of aggravation that nothing on PC so far touches this game graphically. THAT is why you are bringing up console multiplats that only supply marginal differences of console versions and unreleased PC games, FACT!
lol at "far from Graphics king" bu...but did this fool post forza as one of his options????????????????
hold up hold up.....this guy said FORZA?
Dude you just lost ALL credibility again. Just throwing out any shit to claim something is better than UC4 is pathetic and desperate as hell.
up rezed xbone game = up rezed xbone game not the best looking game of the generation haha
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This guy is playing at 4K!!!! and EVEN he says it's hard to tell the difference with xbone running at 1080p.
DriveClub still destroyies this game on virtually every graphical stand point PC outside of resolution. Why the hell would you compare it to Uncharted 4? Haha wow, Resolution bumps DON'T reconfigure the core graphics silly hermits. You're just playing a shinier turd not a different game. Get that though your heads or keep failing.
I'll also drop this here
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The game you playing not gone magically upgrade to be a different game just because of a rez buff and a few extra textures. The fact the we have a guy posting HIS video running Foza 6 on PC at 4k and he even admits it's hard to tell the difference since xbone is running 1080 is pretty much a wrap for your argument and your opinion. lol Forza....man you goofs will say ANYTHING at this point lol.
Arma 3 in my opinion can look better than Witcher 3. It should be worth a mention
@zergforlife said:
@casharmy
First off, Witcher3 PC vs Console looks very different when actually looking at full sized screenshots rather than Youtube videos,having played them both.
PS4: http://gearnuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/witcher3-comp-pc-1.jpg //// PC: http://gearnuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/witcher3-comp-pc-1-2.jpg , Then Lets not even mention water, lighting, hair, and 4k resolution.
Also, check out Syndicate: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ac-syndicate-graphics-on-pc-vs-ps4-32776073/#40
Secondly, I've seen plenty of Uncharted 4 gameplay screenshots (not photomode or cutscene) posted by Users who have their early copies delivered. It looks great, but is far from graphics king. PC games on maximum settings such as Battlefront, Witcher, Forza, Star Citizen, and Unreal have it beat for over all graphics fidelity. I feel that Battlefield1 and Deus Ex will also be additions to that list, the PC versions that is. These are direct feeds taken by said users:
(Open these in large format, GFX KING? Not even close. Still pretty.)
Your precious 4k didn't save this game or make it into anything mind blowingly different from it's console counterpart. And we have the word from someone who isn't in the process of defending their fanboyism with hyperbole and it's their PC and xbox footage without the damage control or excuses.
Video isn't really for you because you are just going to damage control but watch it your leisure if dare, This is really for people who are fooled by all the 4k makes a different game nonsense you guys spew in damage control over UC4.
A first hand account from a PC gamer (not damage controlling system wars fanboy) on Forza 6 on PC at 4k vs Forza 6 xbone, if you missed what he says...don't worry I put direct quotes below to highlight the important portions for you.
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AR12Gaming said: This video is more about the graphics obviously........So after that I decided to go out in Yasmarina and test my Jag...yeah, and there's really not many differences here! You really REALLY have to look very VERY hard here, the only difference is the shadows are a little bit more defined and a little bit sharper, but even at that....that's even stretching it! You really can't tell the difference between the night racing if you ask me personally. To be honest 99% of the people playing this, if you're watching this video you are probably the 1% of people who will actually notice a difference between the two. Most people you will probably have to have them side by side to be able to spot a difference and to be honest I don't think most people will. Anyways after testing out the shadows and the night gameplay I decided to go over to spaw,. @3:14...I just wanted to see what you can see really see in the distance, if there's any differences there and...there really aren't! Everything looks just about the same, you could argue that the PC is a little bit sharper but it obviously will be because it's 4k resolution down scaled to 1080p vs 1080p standard......@3:49....but anyway guys that is my comparison between the PC and the xbox one...nothing really to major there, I think 1% of people will notice a difference, and that's really it! END/
Dat 4k 1% difference huh herms?
so all your exaggerations about 4k making something a different game just flew out the window! Is 4k better than 1080p for a clearer image? Of course. Will it make it a different game? lol F*ck no not even close. The crushing thing here for you and your PC at 4k = different game campaign is that this guy is a PC game and showing his games side by side being both a PC and console gamer obviously and clearly telling everyone you really can't see a difference unless you're playing both side by side and looking extremely hard.
This, an account from a non-system wars PC gamer who isn't trying to blow hot smoke up everyone's ass giving an honest account from a HEAD to HEAD comparison between his games on his 4k PC compared to xbone....XBONE! And he says there really isn't much difference. Yeah, that pretty much kills all the idiotic talk like resolution creates a different game like you guys were frantically going for.
lol again at @zergforlife for suggesting that up rezed Forza 6 somehow looked better than UC4. Smh must have been in serious derp mode to think it was a good idea to try to throw that one in there.
2 birds down with one stone...@zergforlife's credibilty and the myth that 4k makes a different games, NEXT.
@jereb31: When I get back to a desktop I'll post the link. The "Time Magazine" review and "Gaming bolt reviews both mention it sets a new standard in graphics including what's on PC.
right now I'd say UC4 is probably the best looking game on the market.
Playing witcher 3 maxed out at the moment on a 980ti and while it looks good, it's got a lot of flaws as well.
Which kind of really sucks, because it just proves PC can be pushed way further than it really is. Witcher 3 really did eat some severe downgrades before release for a console friendly release.
1%? What? Witcher 3, Syndicate, and Battlefront all look quite a bit better on PC....this isn't debatable. And I'm glad you agree that UC4 is beaten by a nice bunch of PC games with much bigger scope and double the fps.
@jereb31: When I get back to a desktop I'll post the link. The "Time Magazine" review and "Gaming bolt reviews both mention it sets a new standard in graphics including what's on PC.
1%? What? Witcher 3, Syndicate, and Battlefront all look quite a bit better on PC....this isn't debatable. And I'm glad you agree that UC4 is beaten by a nice bunch of PC games with much bigger scope and double the fps.
The 1% difference refers to the noticeable most people can see from running games at 4k vs 1080p.
Sloppy damage control lol
You posted so fast but that one video completely derailed that 4k = difference game nonsense that some of you guys were pathetically claiming.
So, once again, I am correct in saying resolution does not change the base graphics. Those up rezed console port will not look better than UC4 because the base graphics of UC4 are created from higher quality graphical elements regardless of resolution. Up rezed console PC ports can only succeed in looking graphically superior to their console counterparts, it doesn't make them differnt games able to challenge a game like UC4 that has a higher graphical threashhold.
let me top this off with.......................................................................................................................................
Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End Review – No Longer Waiting For Greatness
What Uncharted 4 offers that no other game at this time can come close to matching is the scope of breathtaking visuals which envelopes the world everywhere. Spinning globes, rotting vines, rusted beams, it feels like there is no end to its majesty. The mountains and vistas of Madagascar poking through the clouded mist swallowing the island; sea life of every imaginable color and likeness breathing life into the waters below; and snow drenched mountaintops hiding ancient pirate ruins forgotten centuries ago are just a few elements of this breathtaking, visual experience. This is the definitive graphical powerhouse this moment in time for this generation on any console, even gaming PCs.
Unbiased professional reviewers drowning out the noise of desperate and frantic PC and xbox fanboys making up fairy tails about 4k = different game to pass off last gen console ports as the best looking games of this generation lol.
1%? What? Witcher 3, Syndicate, and Battlefront all look quite a bit better on PC....this isn't debatable. And I'm glad you agree that UC4 is beaten by a nice bunch of PC games with much bigger scope and double the fps.
The 1% difference
But there is more than resolution difference. Witcher 3 and Syndicate run at higher settings other than Rez.
1%? What? Witcher 3, Syndicate, and Battlefront all look quite a bit better on PC....this isn't debatable. And I'm glad you agree that UC4 is beaten by a nice bunch of PC games with much bigger scope and double the fps.
The 1% difference refers to the noticeable most people can see from running games at 4k vs 1080p.
Sloppy damage control lol
You posted so fast but that one video completely derailed that 4k = difference game nonsense that some of you guys were pathetically claiming.
So, once again, I am correct in saying resolution does not change the base graphics. Those up rezed console port will not look better than UC4 because the base graphics of UC4 are created from higher quality graphical elements regardless of resolution. Up rezed console PC ports can only succeed in looking graphically superior to their console counterparts, it doesn't make them differnt games able to challenge a game like UC4 that has a higher graphical threashhold.
let me top this off with.......................................................................................................................................
Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End Review – No Longer Waiting For Greatness
What Uncharted 4 offers that no other game at this time can come close to matching is the scope of breathtaking visuals which envelopes the world everywhere. Spinning globes, rotting vines, rusted beams, it feels like there is no end to its majesty. The mountains and vistas of Madagascar poking through the clouded mist swallowing the island; sea life of every imaginable color and likeness breathing life into the waters below; and snow drenched mountaintops hiding ancient pirate ruins forgotten centuries ago are just a few elements of this breathtaking, visual experience. This is the definitive graphical powerhouse this moment in time for this generation on any console, even gaming PCs.
Unbiased professional reviewers drowning out the noise of desperate and frantic PC and xbox fanboys making up fairy tails about 4k = different game to pass off last gen console ports as the best looking games of this generation lol.
DAMAGE CONTROL INCOMING!!!!!!!!!
Just to point out the obvious, but if the base assets of the "console port" are already at a higher resolution than 1080p, which is I assume pretty standard when creating game assets, then yeah, of course upping the res would make it look better.
Whether the particular game we are looking at has the assets in a suitably high enough resolution to start though is another question.
Oh god are we back to people actually thinking Witcher 3 looks almost the same on ps4 vs pc? This is stupid shit that I thought was dismissed last year.....
Your precious 4k didn't save this game or make it into anything mind blowingly different from it's console counterpart. And we have the word from someone who isn't in the process of defending their fanboyism with hyperbole and it's their PC and xbox footage without the damage control or excuses.
Video isn't really for you because you are just going to damage control but watch it your leisure if dare, This is really for people who are fooled by all the 4k makes a different game nonsense you guys spew in damage control over UC4.
A first hand account from a PC gamer (not damage controlling system wars fanboy) on Forza 6 on PC at 4k vs Forza 6 xbone, if you missed what he says...don't worry I put direct quotes below to highlight the important portions for you.
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AR12Gaming said: This video is more about the graphics obviously........So after that I decided to go out in Yasmarina and test my Jag...yeah, and there's really not many differences here! You really REALLY have to look very VERY hard here, the only difference is the shadows are a little bit more defined and a little bit sharper, but even at that....that's even stretching it! You really can't tell the difference between the night racing if you ask me personally. To be honest 99% of the people playing this, if you're watching this video you are probably the 1% of people who will actually notice a difference between the two. Most people you will probably have to have them side by side to be able to spot a difference and to be honest I don't think most people will. Anyways after testing out the shadows and the night gameplay I decided to go over to spaw,. @3:14...I just wanted to see what you can see really see in the distance, if there's any differences there and...there really aren't! Everything looks just about the same, you could argue that the PC is a little bit sharper but it obviously will be because it's 4k resolution down scaled to 1080p vs 1080p standard......@3:49....but anyway guys that is my comparison between the PC and the xbox one...nothing really to major there, I think 1% of people will notice a difference, and that's really it! END/
Dat 4k 1% difference huh herms?
so all your exaggerations about 4k making something a different game just flew out the window! Is 4k better than 1080p for a clearer image? Of course. Will it make it a different game? lol F*ck no not even close. The crushing thing here for you and your PC at 4k = different game campaign is that this guy is a PC game and showing his games side by side being both a PC and console gamer obviously and clearly telling everyone you really can't see a difference unless you're playing both side by side and looking extremely hard.
This, an account from a non-system wars PC gamer who isn't trying to blow hot smoke up everyone's ass giving an honest account from a HEAD to HEAD comparison between his games on his 4k PC compared to xbone....XBONE! And he says there really isn't much difference. Yeah, that pretty much kills all the idiotic talk like resolution creates a different game like you guys were frantically going for.
lol again at @zergforlife for suggesting that up rezed Forza 6 somehow looked better than UC4. Smh must have been in serious derp mode to think it was a good idea to try to throw that one in there.
2 birds down with one stone...@zergforlife's credibilty and the myth that 4k makes a different games, NEXT.
Hang on a second, this guy mentioned this - "4k resolution down scaled to 1080p vs 1080p standard".
Is he running this game in 4k, or does he just have super sampling enabled on a 1080p monitor?
Hermits do know that only 1% of PC's can actually play the games at the settings and quality they're showing in this thread where as every console gamer gets the same experience.
Hermits do know that only 1% of PC's can actually play the games at the settings and quality they're showing in this thread where as every console gamer gets the same experience.
Your precious 4k didn't save this game or make it into anything mind blowingly different from it's console counterpart. And we have the word from someone who isn't in the process of defending their fanboyism with hyperbole and it's their PC and xbox footage without the damage control or excuses.
Video isn't really for you because you are just going to damage control but watch it your leisure if dare, This is really for people who are fooled by all the 4k makes a different game nonsense you guys spew in damage control over UC4.
A first hand account from a PC gamer (not damage controlling system wars fanboy) on Forza 6 on PC at 4k vs Forza 6 xbone, if you missed what he says...don't worry I put direct quotes below to highlight the important portions for you.
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AR12Gaming said: This video is more about the graphics obviously........So after that I decided to go out in Yasmarina and test my Jag...yeah, and there's really not many differences here! You really REALLY have to look very VERY hard here, the only difference is the shadows are a little bit more defined and a little bit sharper, but even at that....that's even stretching it! You really can't tell the difference between the night racing if you ask me personally. To be honest 99% of the people playing this, if you're watching this video you are probably the 1% of people who will actually notice a difference between the two. Most people you will probably have to have them side by side to be able to spot a difference and to be honest I don't think most people will. Anyways after testing out the shadows and the night gameplay I decided to go over to spaw,. @3:14...I just wanted to see what you can see really see in the distance, if there's any differences there and...there really aren't! Everything looks just about the same, you could argue that the PC is a little bit sharper but it obviously will be because it's 4k resolution down scaled to 1080p vs 1080p standard......@3:49....but anyway guys that is my comparison between the PC and the xbox one...nothing really to major there, I think 1% of people will notice a difference, and that's really it! END/
Dat 4k 1% difference huh herms?
so all your exaggerations about 4k making something a different game just flew out the window! Is 4k better than 1080p for a clearer image? Of course. Will it make it a different game? lol F*ck no not even close. The crushing thing here for you and your PC at 4k = different game campaign is that this guy is a PC game and showing his games side by side being both a PC and console gamer obviously and clearly telling everyone you really can't see a difference unless you're playing both side by side and looking extremely hard.
This, an account from a non-system wars PC gamer who isn't trying to blow hot smoke up everyone's ass giving an honest account from a HEAD to HEAD comparison between his games on his 4k PC compared to xbone....XBONE! And he says there really isn't much difference. Yeah, that pretty much kills all the idiotic talk like resolution creates a different game like you guys were frantically going for.
lol again at @zergforlife for suggesting that up rezed Forza 6 somehow looked better than UC4. Smh must have been in serious derp mode to think it was a good idea to try to throw that one in there.
2 birds down with one stone...@zergforlife's credibilty and the myth that 4k makes a different games, NEXT.
Hang on a second, this guy mentioned this - "4k resolution down scaled to 1080p vs 1080p standard".
Is he running this game in 4k, or does he just have super sampling enabled on a 1080p monitor?
He made a video since youtube only goes up to 1080p it's downsampled to 1080 to play the video. The point however is he's telling everyone his impression from playing both games and he is a PC gamer sharing his honest opinion about his comparison to everyone else.
Without the BS and damage control, honest opinion from a PC gamer running 4k no less makes direct comparison to it's console counter part and says..it's sharper, but it's really hard to tell the difference.
This is where honesty comes into play, which a lot of PC gamers are showing they don't have with the despeate resized UC4 shots which GPUking destroyed with his shots. If PC gamers have to resort to such garbage they are already defeated.
@casharmy: Lol you dingus. It's 1080p vs 4K downscaled to 1080p. That's supersampling you fool. Not actual 4K. It only helps to get rid of jaggies and looks smoother and most of the shimmering is gone but it is not real 4K.
@Juub1990: Its an unbiased opinion, which is something you won't find here.
Exactly
No matter what they desperate goofs to to say to smooth over things now, we aren't going to get a much more objective opinion from someone who owns a gaming PC running 4k of a console port to and console version too. The guy is so honest and genuine it's super refreshing.
You can tell he isn't trying to pull any strings or make any excuses for the PC even though he'd have every reason to being that he spent tons more on his rig than his xbone. So you know if he's saying you can't see much difference that the shit really isn't anything anyone needs to loose sleep over or jumping through hoops to achieve.
A little sharper and...that's about it. It's the law of diminishing returns punching hermits in the eyes with these outlandish claims. It's just better to go for graphical prowess at this point the to push for maximum resolution of you want a better looking game.
No matter what these desperate hermits say UC4 will not be defeated this year because just like hermits hide behind the 4% of user who have the max rigs possible to claim they are running games like the shots they show...When NEO comes out the same bump will apply to UC4, a game who's base assets already shit on everything PC has this gen, will get the benefit of higher everything.
PC graphics have long been dethroned ever since The Order came along. UC4 is just a natural successor. Just what PC games out right now that can stand up against UC4? OK granted the latter comes out in 1 day lol. 4k means nothing if your assets, shaders and level design are old school.
@casharmy AHAHAHAHA you fool. Youtube only goes up to 1080p? What year is this? 2010? Youtube has plenty of native 4K content. He dowsampled the shit to 1080p from 4K which is why the difference isn't massive. I did the same for Dark Souls 3 except I downsampled 1440p to 1080p. The difference wasn't astronomical but the jaggies and shimmering were gone for the most part and the image looked a lot smoother. Still wouldn't matter because you have to be blind or an idiot not to notice the difference between 4K and 1080.
4K and 1080p isn't a slight difference. It's a huge one. You can instantly see a difference between 1440p and 1080p and the difference between 4K and 1080 is much larger than that.
@gpuking Go troll elsewhere. Uncharted 4 is late to the party and has been beaten by current and upcoming games. And lol The Order? GTFO.
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