Arguing against PC = POINTLESS

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[QUOTE="Zeus89x"]

Console gamers don't post pictures of their games either. They go on IGN or take the pictures off of this site and post it. What's your point?

DragonfireXZ95

Well console games look ugly in pictures anyways so thats rather pointless.... But not everyone has a pc capable of playing Crysis at Max with 32XAA. At least post your own pics if you're going to brag about the game. I know I always post my own pics, it just seems logical to post your own if you're going to brag about the game being all all high and mighty.

How so ?

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

Well console games look ugly in pictures anyways so thats rather pointless.... But not everyone has a pc capable of playing Crysis at Max with 32XAA. At least post your own pics if you're going to brag about the game. I know I always post my own pics, it just seems logical to post your own if you're going to brag about the game being all all high and mighty.

GTSaiyanjin2

How so ?

Arguing against any platform is pointless because even if you point out a flaw directly the fanboys will still ignore it. That's why they're fanboys. Hermits are just arguably the most aggressive and fanatic kind on this forum, though.

Arguing against any platform is pointless because even if you point out a flaw directly the fanboys will still ignore it. That's why they're fanboys. Hermits are just arguably the most aggressive and fanatic kind on this forum, though.

waltefmoney

Seriously? Hermits are generally laid back until somebody says something incorrect and/or misinformed.

Cows and Lemmings are the most vocal, followed by Hermits, and Sheep are by far the quietest.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Arguing against any platform is pointless because even if you point out a flaw directly the fanboys will still ignore it. That's why they're fanboys. Hermits are just arguably the most aggressive and fanatic kind on this forum, though.

lundy86_4

Seriously? Hermits are generally laid back until somebody says something incorrect and/or misinformed.

Cows and Lemmings are the most vocal, followed by Hermits, and Sheep are by far the quietest.

Not from what I've seen. An example - the StarCraft II sales topic. They were pretty laid back, yeah.

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

[QUOTE="Zeus89x"]

Console gamers don't post pictures of their games either. They go on IGN or take the pictures off of this site and post it. What's your point?

DragonfireXZ95

Well console games look ugly in pictures anyways so thats rather pointless.... But not everyone has a pc capable of playing Crysis at Max with 32XAA. At least post your own pics if you're going to brag about the game. I know I always post my own pics, it just seems logical to post your own if you're going to brag about the game being all all high and mighty.

what he should have said is that it doesnt matter if we dont take our own pics because all consoles output the same graphics (on said console).

Also, i dont even know how to get screen caps on a console. No print screen button on the controller.

Not from what I've seen. An example - the StarCraft II sales topic. They were pretty laid back, yeah.

waltefmoney

Hermits are usually quiet until something/someone stirs them up. There was a lot of ridiculous commenting in that topic from both sides.

*shrug*

Fanboys will be fanboys at the end of the day.

Arguing against any platform is pointless because even if you point out a flaw directly the fanboys will still ignore it. That's why they're fanboys. Hermits are just arguably the most aggressive and fanatic kind on this forum, though.

waltefmoney

As opposed to claims by Console fanboys Killzone 3/Uncharted 2 graphics pwns Crysis. Not to mention make claims that Crysis in-game screenshots are "pre-rendered". You are forgetting the fact they make ludicrous claims about the PC like PC's can't do HD gaming...lol or costs $2000 to run Crysis maxed out.

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] You're posing a double standard right there and you may want to stop it. :PDragonfireXZ95

How so ?

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Not from what I've seen. An example - the StarCraft II sales topic. They were pretty laid back, yeah.

lundy86_4

Hermits are usually quiet until something/someone stirs them up. There was a lot of ridiculous commenting in that topic from both sides.

*shrug*

Fanboys will be fanboys at the end of the day.

The entire thing started with a hermit comparing StarCraft II sales to Alan Wake and Forza. :| Console fanboys didn't even really care until that happened.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

How so ?

GTSaiyanjin2

What resolution do you play on your PC LCD?

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

How so ?

GTSaiyanjin2

games on your 360 or ps3 look exactly the same as everyone elses... thus there is no point in taking your own screen caps.

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] That's like a man saying to his girlfriend, "I'm gonna go out drinking with the boys, but you can't leave the house." Why is it okay if console gamers don't post their own pics, but it's not okay if PC gamers don't post their own pics? Xtasy26

What resolution do you play on your PC LCD?

1080p.... why the qustion ? Both my TV and monitor are 1080p btw

The entire thing started with a hermit comparing StarCraft II sales to Alan Wake and Forza. :| Console fanboys didn't even really care until that happened.

waltefmoney

I said "usually". There are outliers with regards to most fanboy groups. Either way, most of it stems from past topics. This past few days we've had a ton of anti-PC threads, and most of it blows over from situations like that.

Console fanboys always state PC games don't sell well. When SCII did, it was only a matter of time until someone brought it up.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

How so ?

GTSaiyanjin2

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

The entire thing started with a hermit comparing StarCraft II sales to Alan Wake and Forza. :| Console fanboys didn't even really care until that happened.

lundy86_4

I said "usually". There are outliers with regards to most fanboy groups. Either way, most of it stems from past topics. This past few days we've had a ton of anti-PC threads, and most of it blows over from situations like that.

Console fanboys always state PC games don't sell well. When SCII did, it was only a matter of time until someone brought it up.

That's probably why I used the word 'arguably'.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]I dont think I ever said it was ok for console gamers to not post their own pics. If anything I said it was rather pointless, because usually what you see on your HDTV is going to look way better than what ever screen you see on some website. Not sure if playing a game on a HDTV enhances the picture quality, but compare to playing my 360 on my PC LCD monitor the difference it pretty big. And as far as PC gamers posting their own pics why not, its not that hard to get a screen capture.

GTSaiyanjin2

What resolution do you play on your PC LCD?

1080p.... why the qustion ? Both my TV and monitor are 1080p btw

Because you can't play graphics demanding games on your Xbox 360 @1080P. While on a descent PC you can.

That's probably why I used the word 'arguably'.

waltefmoney

I'm well aware you did. Hence why I initiated the debate.

Still, like I said, fanboys will be fanboys.

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

What resolution do you play on your PC LCD?

Xtasy26

1080p.... why the qustion ? Both my TV and monitor are 1080p btw

Because you can't play graphics demanding games on your Xbox 360 @1080P. While on a descent PC you can.

. . .which costs thousands.Firefox993

Dependant upon where you live, it can cost the equivalent of thousands.

In most countries, it doesn't come close. Especially in US/Canada.

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] That's like a man saying to his girlfriend, "I'm gonna go out drinking with the boys, but you can't leave the house." Why is it okay if console gamers don't post their own pics, but it's not okay if PC gamers don't post their own pics? DragonfireXZ95

To the person arguing the point it is.

Whats the point of arguing that someone else's PC has better graphics than consoles, if yours doesnt?

Its like posting pictures of a bugatti veyron and pretending its yours when you drive a kia. Sure cars can achieve that performance... but yours certainly doesnt... nor do most people's. Acting like every car owner drives a Veyron is a bit misleading.

[QUOTE="Firefox993"] . . .which costs thousands.lundy86_4

Dependant upon where you live, it can cost the equivalent of thousands.

In most countries, it doesn't come close. Especially in US/Canada.

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] That's like a man saying to his girlfriend, "I'm gonna go out drinking with the boys, but you can't leave the house." Why is it okay if console gamers don't post their own pics, but it's not okay if PC gamers don't post their own pics? markinthedark

games on your 360 or ps3 look exactly the same as everyone elses... thus there is no point in taking your own screen caps.

Well yeah I know that.... but usually games dont look all that great in screens.

Exampel...

Forza 3 (both my pics) Game does not look that bad when actually playing it. PC games in the other hand look perfect. I guess games when playing on a HDTV dont show the little flaws you see with screen captures.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

1080p.... why the qustion ? Both my TV and monitor are 1080p btw

Firefox993

Because you can't play graphics demanding games on your Xbox 360 @1080P. While on a descent PC you can.

Not in America.

l;ived in Europe, and my PC cost 750 EU and that had a medicore graphics card, and I live in AU and it's even more expensive here. That was 2 years ago!Firefox993

Yup, like I said it can cost the equivalent. I was born and raised in the UK before moving to Canada. PC's are very cheap to build here.

There are expensive places to PC game out there, just like there are expensive places to console game.

I disagree.Firefox993

Example?

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]I dont think I ever said it was ok for console gamers to not post their own pics. If anything I said it was rather pointless, because usually what you see on your HDTV is going to look way better than what ever screen you see on some website. Not sure if playing a game on a HDTV enhances the picture quality, but compare to playing my 360 on my PC LCD monitor the difference it pretty big. And as far as PC gamers posting their own pics why not, its not that hard to get a screen capture.

GTSaiyanjin2

games on your 360 or ps3 look exactly the same as everyone elses... thus there is no point in taking your own screen caps.

Well yeah I know that.... but usually games dont look all that great in screens.

Exampel...

Forza 3 (both my pics) Game does not look that bad when actually playing it. PC games in the other hand look perfect. I guess games when playing on a HDTV dont show the little flaws you see with screen captures.

games in motion always look better.

and really even PC owners can force high graphics, run a game at 1fps and take screen caps... then turn all their crap back to lowest when they actually play. So even taking your own pics doesnt mean much for PC gamers.

If only we could dial up console graphics and run at 1fps for the purpose of a screen shot..

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]I dont think I ever said it was ok for console gamers to not post their own pics. If anything I said it was rather pointless, because usually what you see on your HDTV is going to look way better than what ever screen you see on some website. Not sure if playing a game on a HDTV enhances the picture quality, but compare to playing my 360 on my PC LCD monitor the difference it pretty big. And as far as PC gamers posting their own pics why not, its not that hard to get a screen capture.

markinthedark

To the person arguing the point it is.

Whats the point of arguing that someone else's PC has better graphics than consoles, if yours doesnt?

Its like posting pictures of a bugatti veyron and pretending its yours when you drive a kia. Sure cars can achieve that performance... but yours certainly doesnt... nor do most people's.

Becuase when you are comparing graphics comparison you compare what the best the console has to offer VS what the best PC has to offer. It's best VS best.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] I see what you're saying, but it doesn't matter if a PC gamer posts their own screens or not, because PC gaming isn't indicative from one person's PC.Xtasy26

To the person arguing the point it is.

Whats the point of arguing that someone else's PC has better graphics than consoles, if yours doesnt?

Its like posting pictures of a bugatti veyron and pretending its yours when you drive a kia. Sure cars can achieve that performance... but yours certainly doesnt... nor do most people's.

Becuase when you are comparing graphics comparison you compare what the best the console has to offer VS what the best PC has to offer. It's best VS best.

why not compare average console graphics to average pc graphics? seems like a more honest and logical way to go about things. Just using the best examples and pretending the worst examples dont exist is rather misleading.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

To the person arguing the point it is.

Whats the point of arguing that someone else's PC has better graphics than consoles, if yours doesnt?

Its like posting pictures of a bugatti veyron and pretending its yours when you drive a kia. Sure cars can achieve that performance... but yours certainly doesnt... nor do most people's.

markinthedark

Becuase when you are comparing graphics comparison you compare what the best the console has to offer VS what the best PC has to offer. It's best VS best.

why not compare average console graphics to average pc graphics? seems like a more honest and logical way to go about things. Just using the best examples and pretending the worst examples dont exist is rather misleading.

Because when console fanboys claim that their X,Y,Z is better looking than X,Y,Z game on the PC, why would we not show off the graphical capabilites of the PC to prove them wrong that their X,Y,Z game can never look this good. Why would we compare "average" thing when we are looking for the "best".

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

To the person arguing the point it is.

Whats the point of arguing that someone else's PC has better graphics than consoles, if yours doesnt?

Its like posting pictures of a bugatti veyron and pretending its yours when you drive a kia. Sure cars can achieve that performance... but yours certainly doesnt... nor do most people's.

markinthedark

Becuase when you are comparing graphics comparison you compare what the best the console has to offer VS what the best PC has to offer. It's best VS best.

why not compare average console graphics to average pc graphics? seems like a more honest and logical way to go about things. Just using the best examples and pretending the worst examples dont exist is rather misleading.

Ignoring the superior hardware that is available to the PC market is pretty stupid and goes against what PC gaming is. We have the advantage, so obviously we are going to use it. It's like consoles with their couches. PC's can be hooked up to TV's and use controllers, but all the time console gamers ignore that and tout it as one of the big advantages to console gaming.DragonfireXZ95

Yet when hermits argue about price they always use 400-500$ rigs. Isn't that kind of misleading?

Ironically most of the PC threads nowadays are started by console fanboys who either says it's dying, dead, a piece of crap and so on so forth.

By the way, way to add to the pile of threads whining about the PC.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

Becuase when you are comparing graphics comparison you compare what the best the console has to offer VS what the best PC has to offer. It's best VS best.

Xtasy26

why not compare average console graphics to average pc graphics? seems like a more honest and logical way to go about things. Just using the best examples and pretending the worst examples dont exist is rather misleading.

Because when console fanboys claim that their X,Y,Z is better looking than X,Y,Z game on the PC, why would we not show off the graphical capabilites of the PC to prove them wrong that their X,Y,Z game can never look this good. Why would we compare "average" thing when we are looking for the "best".

because that is what the average PC gamer is looking at. If you are arguing for the PC as a platform, you need to take into consideration the entire platform.

If you want to make the argument that Joe's brand new $5000 computer has better graphics than consoles, then fair enough... post his pics.

If you want to argue that the PC as a platform has better graphics... then you should probably post something that is a good representation of that platform.

Some dude who brought his PC into an industrial freezer to keep it from overheating while he takes a screen shots of a game running at 1fps isnt really a fair comparison imo (obviously... im sure nobody goes to these lengths... but it could be done in order to get screen caps far above any possible playable level in a real world scenario).

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

Becuase when you are comparing graphics comparison you compare what the best the console has to offer VS what the best PC has to offer. It's best VS best.

DragonfireXZ95

why not compare average console graphics to average pc graphics? seems like a more honest and logical way to go about things. Just using the best examples and pretending the worst examples dont exist is rather misleading.

who is we? PC gamers? because PC gamers as a whole dont have that advantage. A select few do... and its technically not "we" unless you are one of those select few.

and some PCs can be hooked up to HDTVs... If your tv or PC arent designed to interact... the video quality is quite crap (i know ive tried using a dvi to hdmi cable on my tv)

Believe it or not, PC is THE best system.abuabed

This. :)

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

why not compare average console graphics to average pc graphics? seems like a more honest and logical way to go about things. Just using the best examples and pretending the worst examples dont exist is rather misleading.

markinthedark

Because when console fanboys claim that their X,Y,Z is better looking than X,Y,Z game on the PC, why would we not show off the graphical capabilites of the PC to prove them wrong that their X,Y,Z game can never look this good. Why would we compare "average" thing when we are looking for the "best".

because that is what the average PC gamer is looking at. If you are arguing for the PC as a platform, you need to take into consideration the entire platform.

If you want to make the argument that Joe's brand new $5000 computer has better graphics than consoles, then fair enough... post his pics.

If you want to argue that the PC as a platform has better graphics... then you should probably post something that is a good representation of that platform.

Some dude who brought his PC into an industrial freezer to keep it from overheating while he takes a screen shots of a game running at 1fps isnt really a fair comparison imo (obviously... im sure nobody goes to these lengths... but it could be done in order to get screen caps far above any possible playable level in a real world scenario).

Why do you feel the need to say 5000$ when a 1000$ computer taxes included WITH an operating system AND screen would smoke the floor with a console?

And ya... I doubt anyone on these forums posting their Crysis pics are using a PC in an industrial freezer.. or even anything remotely close to that lol.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Ignoring the superior hardware that is available to the PC market is pretty stupid and goes against what PC gaming is. We have the advantage, so obviously we are going to use it. It's like consoles with their couches. PC's can be hooked up to TV's and use controllers, but all the time console gamers ignore that and tout it as one of the big advantages to console gaming.waltefmoney

Yet when hermits argue about price they always use 400-500$ rigs. Isn't that kind of misleading?

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Ignoring the superior hardware that is available to the PC market is pretty stupid and goes against what PC gaming is. We have the advantage, so obviously we are going to use it. It's like consoles with their couches. PC's can be hooked up to TV's and use controllers, but all the time console gamers ignore that and tout it as one of the big advantages to console gaming.waltefmoney

Yet when hermits argue about price they always use 400-500$ rigs. Isn't that kind of misleading?

It's actually more like something like 600-700 that I see thrown around in system wars. Not 400-500$. It is possible to beat console graphics with a 600-700$ but I don't really see why anyone would want to do that. Kind of a waste when you can spend 1000$ instead and get something far far superior to anything consoles could hope to over.

Yet when hermits argue about price they always use 400-500$ rigs. Isn't that kind of misleading?

waltefmoney

Not really. You can get a perfectly acceptable gaming experience out of a PC at that price point, which is the point those people make - You don't have to spend $1000 or more on a gaming rig if you don't want to. Some console players assume that PC gaming is expensive, our counter-argument is that it can be, but it doesn't have to be.

The $500 rig will still give a gaming experience that is roughly equivalent to what you get on the consoles (i.e. medium res, medium detail).

(The rig in my sig was about £800, $1200, when I bought it. I had the money and was prepared to spend that much. But on a more modest budget you can achieve good results, regardless)

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Ignoring the superior hardware that is available to the PC market is pretty stupid and goes against what PC gaming is. We have the advantage, so obviously we are going to use it. It's like consoles with their couches. PC's can be hooked up to TV's and use controllers, but all the time console gamers ignore that and tout it as one of the big advantages to console gaming.DragonfireXZ95

Yet when hermits argue about price they always use 400-500$ rigs. Isn't that kind of misleading?

My point is they use screens and videos from 900-1000$ rigs to demonstrate the infinite power of the PC, yet when it comes to price they compare consoles with 400-500$ rigs. That's a little misleading, don't you think?

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

Because when console fanboys claim that their X,Y,Z is better looking than X,Y,Z game on the PC, why would we not show off the graphical capabilites of the PC to prove them wrong that their X,Y,Z game can never look this good. Why would we compare "average" thing when we are looking for the "best".

Eggimannd

because that is what the average PC gamer is looking at. If you are arguing for the PC as a platform, you need to take into consideration the entire platform.

If you want to make the argument that Joe's brand new $5000 computer has better graphics than consoles, then fair enough... post his pics.

If you want to argue that the PC as a platform has better graphics... then you should probably post something that is a good representation of that platform.

Some dude who brought his PC into an industrial freezer to keep it from overheating while he takes a screen shots of a game running at 1fps isnt really a fair comparison imo (obviously... im sure nobody goes to these lengths... but it could be done in order to get screen caps far above any possible playable level in a real world scenario).

Why do you feel the need to say 5000$ when a 1000$ computer taxes included WITH an operating system AND screen would smoke the floor with a console?

And ya... I doubt anyone on these forums posting their Crysis pics are using a PC in an industrial freezer.. or even anything remotely close to that lol.

I am just trying to make a ridiculous example of how taking only the best of the best screen caps can be very misleading...

and if a game came out tomorrow... that even the best computers couldnt run on the lowest settings.... im sure, somewhere out there... some guy would bring his PC into a freezer, grab a couple impossible shots at an unplayable 1fps... post em online, and people on gamespot would be using them. :P

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Yet when hermits argue about price they always use 400-500$ rigs. Isn't that kind of misleading?

waltefmoney

My point is they use screens and videos from 900-1000$ rigs to demonstrate the infinite power of the PC, yet when it comes to price they compare consoles with 400-500$ rigs. That's a little misleading, don't you think?

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

because that is what the average PC gamer is looking at. If you are arguing for the PC as a platform, you need to take into consideration the entire platform.

If you want to make the argument that Joe's brand new $5000 computer has better graphics than consoles, then fair enough... post his pics.

If you want to argue that the PC as a platform has better graphics... then you should probably post something that is a good representation of that platform.

Some dude who brought his PC into an industrial freezer to keep it from overheating while he takes a screen shots of a game running at 1fps isnt really a fair comparison imo (obviously... im sure nobody goes to these lengths... but it could be done in order to get screen caps far above any possible playable level in a real world scenario).

markinthedark

Why do you feel the need to say 5000$ when a 1000$ computer taxes included WITH an operating system AND screen would smoke the floor with a console?

And ya... I doubt anyone on these forums posting their Crysis pics are using a PC in an industrial freezer.. or even anything remotely close to that lol.

I am just trying to make a ridiculous example of how taking only the best of the best screen caps can be very misleading...

and if a game came out tomorrow... that even the best computers couldnt run on the lowest settings.... im sure, somewhere out there... some guy would bring his PC into a freezer, grab a couple impossible shots at an unplayable 1fps... post em online, and people on gamespot would be using them. :P

Who does that? :? Most of the screenshots I've seen posted of PC games look just like how I play them. Now *some* console screenshots are clearly bullshots, yet you're not complaining about them? :roll:

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Yet when hermits argue about price they always use 400-500$ rigs. Isn't that kind of misleading?

LordRork

Not really. You can get a perfectly acceptable gaming experience out of a PC at that price point, which is the point those people make - You don't have to spend $1000 or more on a gaming rig if you don't want to. Some console players assume that PC gaming is expensive, our counter-argument is that it can be, but it doesn't have to be.

The $500 rig will still give a gaming experience that is roughly equivalent to what you get on the consoles (i.e. medium res, medium detail).

(The rig in my sig was about £800, $1200, when I bought it. I had the money and was prepared to spend that much. But on a more modest budget you can achieve good results, regardless)

Doesn't that mean that when you're comparing PC vs console graphics you need to put two PC screens - one for a $500 rig and another one for a $1200 one?

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Yet when hermits argue about price they always use 400-500$ rigs. Isn't that kind of misleading?

waltefmoney

My point is they use screens and videos from 900-1000$ rigs to demonstrate the infinite power of the PC, yet when it comes to price they compare consoles with 400-500$ rigs. That's a little misleading, don't you think?

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