Arstechnica : Xbox One users largely ignore backward-compatible Xbox 360 games

Except it isn't. MS' E3s have been full of cancelled games like FailBound and flops like Quantum Fail since 2013. The only game they've released that was worth the hype has been FH3 everything else has been a disaster. Meanwhile Sony's been having successes like Bloodborne, Yakuza, Horizon, Uncharted 4, etc.

You're the one in denial dude. They better get their shit together this time or else it may be their last. Nintendo is coming from behind to snatch the no. 2 position this gen. Releasing more flops and announcing more future cancelled games will have disastrous consequences for them this go around.

Have not got the time to have a second account, believe what you like.

Perfect., exactly right. Ignore the trolls. Sony fucked up and the gaming media is damaging controlling for them.

Poo cows getting Rekt in this thread!!

lol :P

LOL I don't care who uses what. I use BC. And MS offers it. I appreciate that.

9 pages in such a short time..hahahahaa

Lemmings are really bitter about this news.

My dear lemmings,MS just confirmed that YOU barely play one of the most hyped features (even in broken form) over the PS4.

500 million hours is pathetic and very low,32 hours of 360 gameplay in 19 months of backward compatibility per player is very low and show most of you don't even use that feature at all half the user base barely use it and the other half doesn't even use it at all.

I think it is about time to let this one go,it was destine to be that way the PS3 had more than 5,000 games by backward compatibility including some of the best games ever created day 1,and lemmings simply didn't care and for 3 years claim the PS3 had no games.

So i think it is time to let it go Arstechnica article is right few use the feature and MS own numbers confirm it.

With Sony about to lose yet another E3, I see the Sony fans are in full defense mode this week.

While possible, with a random sample size of nearly a million for the duration of nearly 5 months, the probability of it not being representative of the larger group is insignificantly small. Statistics generally operate with much smaller sample sizes. This is just plain denial, not an argument.

@loe12k said:

Facts do Matter. Sony got burned... And that dire news piece damaging control for Sony, should be taken down.

Fact do matter by MS numbers 50% of the user base has use xbox 360 BC on xbox one 3 and a half minutes per day...Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

The other 50% hasn't even touch it,so i guess the only one burn here are lemmings..

But don't worry you can continue your under pay riding of the xbox brand in hopes of changing the perception of people in forums....hahahahaha

Hahahahaa Gamespot number 1 troll say so..hahahhahaa

3 and half minutes of gameplay per day in 19 months..Hahahahaaa

So tell me what did you lemmings did in those 3 and a half minutes? Insert the dist let it install and turn off your xbox one in mid install..hahahahaha

9 pages they are really bitter and hurt,with all the lobbying they do for BC and it show they don't even use it,like i say many times this is something so that lemmings can hype something over the PS4..lol

Since when did you start posting in the third person, lol. That's cute.

Poor fella so how were those 3 and a half minutes you played yesterday on your BC xbox one..lol

I certainly won't read through all the posts, as it is likely just people trolling each other. While the usage is low, the question would be has the implementation of BC increased sales of these games? Has the implementation of BC had an influence on console sales? There are soooooo many old games I own on Steam, yet I haven't played 90% of them for more than maybe 5min.

Personally, I don't think I have utilized BC on X1 for more than an hour. That might change now that AC3 is free this month. I guess I feel that the usage won't matter if sales and reputation increase as a result (relative to the cost of implementation that is).

I wasn't playing Xbox yesterday, I was playing Horizon Zero Dawn on my PS4. I was playing FarCry 4 on the Xbox One the day before that though.

@tormentos: Dancing the dance el tormented...you're sooo easy. BTW that TV of "yours" seems to be something you'd type on your computer given how small it is. I do not believe for a second it's on your TV unless your thumb is the size of someones foot. It must really suck to have to take pics on someone elses crap to try and prove a point on a gaming forum and yet still failed.

Why hide your gamer tag if you truly own one? It's not like you're forced to accept a friend request. Is it because then we'd know for a fact that you don't play any games? I do believe you're the only person on this site that doesn't actually play games on the system you champion. It would be sad if it wasn't so pathetic.

How is this even remotely considered a loss? The data is nearly as accurate as you cows pretend. Not to mention name a single person that claimed BC would be used more than playing native X1 games?

I know you're still expecting an apology but give it man, it's never going to happen. Let go of your butthurt cowgenja and move on. It's clouding your judgement and common sense.

Shouldn't you be creating another "I'm butthurt about shitty PSVR sales and anyone that doesn't agree with me is a filthy lem"?

Cows have been absolutely rekt in this thread. This includes the meltdowns from quack which has turned into his defensive gif posting because of said reking

@atomolog: if you own the game ( physical or digital ) the game is free for you to download to your X1, if you don't own the game and want it you have to pay.

Well, as I've mentioned before. I am waiting to see if the Scorpio reveal is also accompanied with new games and renewed interest in exclusives. If it is, hey, I'll get one. My issue is less with MS and more of the yes-men on SW and the bubble they operate. If I was a lem, I could fire back with better thought out and more far-seeing arguments. Sadly, the Lemmings of this board are as much a pre-packaged and shrink wrapped product as the box they worship. There has been so much blow-back from the things ya'll do. I have been honest in pointing out what those things are and what they will be. No one listens. Everyone just falls into their pattern.

I'm torn at this point, and I am speaking from the heart here. Half of me genuinely wants to see MS wreck this E3 like a World Series Grand Slam. I want to need a cigarette after their E3 show whilst scaring my neighbors with how loudly I jam "Return of the Mack" by Marc Morrison on my stereo. I want MS to wake up from this funk and bring back all the great games they started with the original XBox and the 360. I want a new Mistwalker game. I want Stubbs the Zombie 2. I want to laugh and I want to cry, and then I want to be in awe at the majesty of knowing that a 6TFlop console itself could only pale to the beauty of the reawakening that happened at MS to get them back on the ball again. "Unseal the Hushed Casket" as it were, and I know you know I know what I am sayin. You think I hate Microsoft? Hell no, I don't. I'm begging for an excuse to get a Scorpio, Day One, with one of those new VR helmets MS has been showing off too.

Then the other half of me thinks ya'll don't deserve it. Yes, I know that is petty AF. I know there is something sadistic about wanting so many more games to play then realizing that if it happens, ya'll will act like those Palestinians dancing in the streets after 9-11 about it. Yes, half of me would be almost as delighted to watch your whole fanbase crash and burn from the weight of expectations and straight up fanfic we've had to endure ever since the rumor mill stated there was such a thing as an upgraded XBox. Part of me has a 12 foot purple boner for the day that one of those precious multiplats from a chop-shop developer funded by Genericsoft Megapublisher just happens to fall short of 30fps or 4K native. . . only to see your faction cry out for "teh optimizashunz" while the rest of gaming-kind scoffs at you for not challenging MS to actually make more games that would have shown what the system can really do. That all being said, if anyone even gives a shit about the XBox brand by the time that happens.

I guess you could say, I like XBox, but hate the fanbase these days. In the end, I will always like what is best for gaming and gamers. It's just seemed like lately, more and more, I do not see the need for a machine that dangles from the nuts of multiplatform development squeezing the maximum amount of dollars and life out of the industry while simultaneously exerting the bare minimal effort to stay afloat. That is clearly okay with ya'll. You want more of it. We've gone down that road. I have given the Lems of System Wars all the chances in the world to get on the right side of history and almost all of you have failed at every conceivable turn.

? They claim they aren't upset but they are fully mobilized in here to damage control. 9 pages of pure butthurt and damage control lol. All this time hyping a feature they never use. Very typical of the Xbone this gen, the damn thing is a dust collector and even BC can't save it from mediocrity.

Stopped reading there. What does the result of a videogame have to do with how they announced it... The answer is nothing.

LOL, I'm starting to feel like Richard Smothers...

So, around 30-40 minutes per week according to MS stats? THAT'S EMBARRASSINGLY LOW .

And Ars was right.

@raugutcon:

you arent understanding the problem here.

Im talking about free with gold xbox 360 titles that are retricompatible with xbox one.

I see one retrocompatible x360 game for free with gold and cant download it (while xbox one free with gold games only need a click and done) x360 free with gold games will always redirect to choose payment page even if they are on games with gold

@atomolog: dude, "download" it through X360, don't try from the console, do it through the XBOX site in your PC/iPad/tablet.

@raugutcon: why do I need to go through all that trouble? why dont they make x360 free with gold games downloadable with 1 click just like xbox one free with gold games?

@mowgly1: How much minutes of BC are there for the PS4? ???

Sorry, busy with Nier Automata and Tekken 7. Probably the vast majority of PS4 userbase are also playing The Surge, Horizon, Wipeout Omega Collection, Dirt 4 and so on.

How is this thread still going? Goodness.

Sorry but you're not fooling anyone cow. We all know PS4 owners don't actually play games. Just look at the attach rate of said games. What they will do is go on the internet and bitch about features, features they don't have, on other consoles and they'd rather do that than play. This is a fact so enjoy not having options while everyone else has them in spades.

^ ^ LMAO at the butthurt response. KingButthurt is mad someone is using their current gen console to play new games because his Xbone doesn't have shit to play this gen and he has to go digging in last gen to justify owning it.

Yeah, I already finished up Nier. Just finished up Gears 4 as well. Gonna start up some Recore and Halo Wars 2 on my Xbox One S and play those along side Horizon Zero Dawn. After that finish up Forza Horizon 3. I struggle with this back log, as I have been just pumping through the games. Took awhile to get Uncharted 4 and The Last Guardian done before that. Hopefully before these games come out I will get some Xbox and PS rest. Thinking about getting Tekken, but will wait for Scorpio for the best performance and graphics on console for that bad boy.

Hard work being a manticore I tell ya.

I am looking for new games and new interest in exclusives for PlayStation as well as Xbox. However I am curious, why is it that you hold issue with MS yes men, but when the Sony yes men are rampant, you give them a pass and allow them in their bubble? I mean, I see them making love to their blue cover boxes hear each and every day as well. Hopefully you don't hold double standards.

Aren't you hoping not just MS, but Sony also hits a World Series Grand slam? I mean, Sony's last couple E3's have been dismal. But I am sure they are preparing well for next week. We want the PS4 to get back to the days of the PS2 when it was all about games. Not this focus on stream backwards compatibility and VR shovelware. But good games and not such long times waiting during the year. It would be nice if they spread them through the year instead of just having some in early spring and then a drought for fall and winter.

I would love them to give us an update, if at all possible, that would make our PS Pro's perform better. It's been out quite a while now and it's just not living up to the hype. I am not sure if they can do something in the firmware to over clock the CPU, open up more RAM resources? Anything to make this console a bit more competitive.

We need to rid the rabid PS fanboys and rabid Xbox fanboys of their preconceived notion that there is only one system that you are allowed to play or enjoy. They need to learn to accept that their precious plastic isn't perfect, and they are not on the payroll for these corporate gorillas.

@kvally: I haven't seen these dismal E3's you talk about. Heck, two years ago, they announced one of my all-time dream games (Shenmue III) as well as a beloved favorite of mine from the Vita going to PS4 (Gravity Rush 2) and several very buyable games. Last year, they lifted the lid off of a bunch of games I wanted and Ace Combat 7 is an absolute 100% must-have. Hell, one of the reasons I "Jumped In" last gen was for AC6. All in all, Sony has been in very good graces. Ni-Oh, which was actually based off a missing script from one of my favorite film-makers, truly delivered. The Last Guardian was as endearing and classic as it had been billed up to be after the long wait. I finally "get" the Yakuza series with Zero. Horizon was a true AAA escape game. I mean, frankly, you're going to have to do a better job of explaining what your beef is to address it.

As for the rabid Sony Ponies on this forum? You ever seen how most of them will leave me alone to pick my own fights? There's a reason for that. I've taken my swats at them. They also don't trust me to a large degree because I have been saying all along I would buy and support XBox if they get their shit together over at MS. That's like kryptonite to fanboys. The fact I've already gone whole hog on the WiiU and the Switch is writing on the wall for any and all hardcore factions. I buy what I like. I don't buy systems for "street cred" on forums either even if I very damn well can afford to.

Why not just get a 360 and play those games lol?

wow, this thread's becoming a real dumpster fire :-P

Hahahaha total dishonesty is the name of the game for lemmings..hahhahaa

The only things obvious here is that you lemmings are bitter about this,not only arstechnica article prove it with a HUGE ass sample of 1 million,but MS own numbers re confirm it.

In what planet 32 hours of gameplay in 1 year and 7 months it is consider great hell even average by any means?

According to MS own freaking data 50% of the lemmings who use BC have done it for exactly 3 and half minuted per day since it was introduce,and the other 50% hasn't even touch it.

It is clear that the feature is not use 500 million hours is abysmal when you divide the play time between the number of gamers the xbox one has that do use the feature and the time the feature has been out.

You have 2 options here you either admit that BC is not something that most people will even play outside a few minutes,or you go into denial and claim the feature is a success when MS own numbers prove other wise.

There is a reason why MS love to use millions of hours,and shit like that it is to try to make things seen bigger than they are,most people will simply focus on the 500 million hours and not anything else.

Want more proof of how abysmal those numbers are.?

In November 2015 the xbox one got backward compatibility with 360 games,by July 2016 they reach 100 million hours.

http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-users-have-spent-over-100-million-hours-playing-backwards-compatible-games-microsoft-says

Basically 100 millions hours in 8 months.

Want another big number? The total player hours on SOCOM II is approaching 94 million hours, or 10,835 years of straight gameplay.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2004/07/30/sony-claims-socom-ii-bragging-rights

This is Socom 2 played hours,like BC it release on November but of 2003 and by July 2004 it had 94 million hours logged.

I bring this comparison because in 8 months BC on xbox one in a user base of probably 20 millions or a little more was getting getting 100 million hours,which is comparable to what Scoom 2 a game that sold like 2 or 3 million copies was getting on the early 2000's when online gameplay on consoles was on its infancy.

2 or 3 million players in socom were logging as much hours in 2003 2004 as BC is on xbox one in the first 8 months on a more than 20 million user base.

Socom 2 numbers back then were HUGE but by today's standards they are mighty weak.

Sony fans you really need to stop damage controlling this. Personally as an Xbox fan and if the shoe was on the other foot I would be pissed.

Do I really use it often? Not really. But I did recently go play South Park Stick of truth, and it was awesome and got it cheap brand new. Also there are games I will occasionally pop in for nostalgia from time to time. It's free! Why bash it?

Microsoft has already came out and stated this survey is out of whack with their internal results, and they do watch. Nice clickbait for Artstechnia though and great damage control for Sony.

Arse technica said gamers are dead. They no longer have any business talking about the industry.

Eh I don't trust it, I saw a massive uptick in most of the games I still play on 360.

I have RDR and Forza Horizon, that's how much I've used it myself.

You don't trust MS either since their numbers prove how sad it is 500 million hours is abysmal.

The reason I'm not playing a 360 game is because I can't even finish what I'm playing before another game is released. Haven't even finished Prey and now I have Morrowind to play. If there wasn't anything new to play I sure would be playing a 360 game!

Oh really in what universe is that? Because the xbox one has get basically crap this year,most of what is getting is on other platforms so you are either talking about games on PS4 xbox one and PC,or the few and very sparse games that has hit this year the xbox one and PC.

Ok you use Pray so it is confirmed you are talking about games on PS4 as well..lol

Every one has an excuse,the problem is 500 million hours is abysmal in 1 year and 7 months,that is 3.5 minutes of gameplay daily on 50% of the xbox one user base.

That universe is reality where exclusives make a small minority of games...

That doesn't change the fact that the xbox one has little to non,even compare to other xbox platforms.

Exclusives aren't the only games. Compared to PC even ps4 has nearly no games... If this is the measure we want, the only smart way to buy systems would be objectively PC-> any nintendo system -> which ever pc lite system has the most exclusives you want to play

The Xbone is supposedly at 30 millions.

30,000,000 * 0.015 = 480,000 users using BC.

I don't know but to me that's a lot of people. Many games don't ever even sell that amount. I believe that a lot of the PS4's continued success is due to Sony also catering to a niche like with Yakuza games and BC is a niche. Imagine PS4 having BC also...

70,000,000 * 0.015 = that would be over a million users using BC.

Did you guys see the follow up article ?

Correction: Undercounted usage data in our Xbox Unleashed analysis

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/06/correction-undercounted-usage-data-in-our-xbox-unleashed-analysis/

Yes and it look like total damage control after MS lawyers got in touch with them..hahahaa

500 million hours = abysmal for 1 year and 7 months.

@tormentos said:

@kvally said:

Oh snap, a Sony fan just rekt themself! LOL. They said nobody plays games on Xbox One and Xbox One has no games. The vast majority of people are playing Xbox One games on the Xbox One, lol. Nothing like a good dosage of REKT UP yo!

LOL at the way lems damage control this.