Battlefield 3 is SUB HD on both PS3 and Xbox 360.

Killzone is doing more,with more enemies on screen at once,no tear,no frame drops,and with better particle effects,look at how Crysis 2 rifle barely make sparks,that Killzone 3 rifle actually make one big X in parks every time you shoot it. How can people still claim that Crysis 2 look better than Killzone 3 blows my mind away,also Crysis 2 has to much fog,which we all know is been use for ages to cover imperfections.tormentos

8) and lensoftruth has proven that too. Killzone 3 beats Crysis 2 (X360) on a technical level.

not using tricks (or as many) like/as KZ3.soulitane

This doesn't matter at all, this is about the graphics. Does it matter if the game performed a graphical trick(s)? :P In the end result, the game looked amazing! :)

Not to mention, BETTER resolution, BETTER framerate, etc. ;)

Eh I wouldn't call it a big deal. At least for me.

Then again I won't bother playing BF3 on consoles. >.>

Then again I won't bother playing BF3 on consoles. >.>

timmy00

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

Then again I won't bother playing BF3 on consoles. >.>

mitu123

: P

This doesn't matter at all, this is about the graphics. Does it matter if the game performed a graphical trick(s)? :P In the end result, the game looked amazing! :)

Not to mention, BETTER resolution, BETTER framerate, etc. ;)

Wesrcks13

Also in this discussion yes it does matter if it uses tricks because (I'll repeat this again because apparently you missed it) it all depends on what you value more.

Also for future reference it's against the ToU to alter someones quote, or at least I'm pretty sure it is. :)

Uh, uh :shock:

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

Then again I won't bother playing BF3 on consoles. >.>

mitu123

Uh, uh :shock:

mamkem6

I believe the lines are supposed to be going horizontally :P

[QUOTE="mamkem6"]

Uh, uh :shock:

ChubbyGuy40

I believe the lines are supposed to be going horizontally :P

Yeah. If you just watch the Guillotine 360 trailer you can see the black bars at the top and bottom. They're small enough that you probably didn't even see them until I pointed them out.

Yeah. If you just watch the Guillotine 360 trailer you can see the black bars at the top and bottom. They're small enough that you probably didn't even see them until I pointed them out.

ActionRemix

I already knew about them. I watched the thing in full screen and it was pretty easy to see. No overscan to hide pixels from me! :P

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]

Yeah. If you just watch the Guillotine 360 trailer you can see the black bars at the top and bottom. They're small enough that you probably didn't even see them until I pointed them out.

ChubbyGuy40

I already knew about them. I watched the thing in full screen and it was pretty easy to see. No overscan to hide pixels from me! :P

I mean, 720p is preferable to 704p, but it's like...not a big deal at all. If there's a big boost in performance thanks to removing that little of the screen, then DICE should do it!

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]

Yeah. If you just watch the Guillotine 360 trailer you can see the black bars at the top and bottom. They're small enough that you probably didn't even see them until I pointed them out.

ActionRemix

I already knew about them. I watched the thing in full screen and it was pretty easy to see. No overscan to hide pixels from me! :P

I mean, 720p is preferable to 704p, but it's like...not a big deal at all. If there's a big boost in performance thanks to removing that little of the screen, then DICE should do it!

According to dice developer it does boost performance.

https://twitter.com/#!/repi/status/111184500096110592

According to dice developer it does boost performance.

https://twitter.com/#!/repi/status/111184500096110592

mamkem6

Of course it does. Less screen space to render. If it helps maintain 30FPS constant, then more power to them. It's the only thing that's inferior to MW3 according to those devs :P

Of course it does. Less screen space to render. If it helps maintain 30FPS constant, then more power to them. It's the only thing that's inferior to MW3 according to those devs :P

ChubbyGuy40

That and the gripping storytelling/emotional connection with characters. :lol:

[QUOTE="Wesrcks13"]

[QUOTE="ocstew"]Did you even read? I took shots there were representative of normal gameplay, warts and all. I also took shots of particularly ugly moments in the game. Only using bullshots is bull****. "And remember, all games have their ugly moments, so posting a few very ugly pics of Killzone 3 or Crysis 2 won't win this debate. It's about the whole package."ocstew

Yes I read it, and the whole package, your talking performance, environments, cinematics, etc. right? Lensoftruth has proven that KZ3 wins there.

Also, you did not answer my question, so I'm going to ask in case you missed it both times, did you do a video comparison?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

Then again I won't bother playing BF3 on consoles. >.>

DragonfireXZ95

:P

still getting it.

Yet another reason why Modern Warfare 3 will leave this game in the dust come November. SHATT3R3D-GLASS

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"]Yet another reason why Modern Warfare 3 will leave this game in the dust come November. mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"]Yet another reason why Modern Warfare 3 will leave this game in the dust come November. SHATT3R3D-GLASS

Probably? Nah... Assuming is always a bad argument. It's hard to spin this one. Don't get too bored playing BF3 in sub HD.SHATT3R3D-GLASS

CoD3, Black Ops, World at War, Modern Warfare and Modern Warfare 2 were all sub-HD. Much lower resolutions than what BF3 is using on consoles.

It's reasonable to assume that the next in the series will be sub-HD.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"]Yet another reason why Modern Warfare 3 will leave this game in the dust come November. SHATT3R3D-GLASS

And if past COD is to go by, 720p would not happen unless the game is 30FPS.

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"][QUOTE="mitu123"] And MW3 is probably 1024x600 again.

mitu123

And if past COD is to go by, 720p would not happen unless the game is 30FPS.

Have fun trying to max out the game on your PC, then. Dice themselves said this is not possible today, So you've got 30 FPS and non-maxed settings. I give you 2 weeks, then you'll get bored. And CoD games never fall under 60 FPS... That is a fact.SHATT3R3D-GLASS

Incorrect.

PS3 is consistently below 60FPS and the 360 drops intermittently.

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"]Have fun trying to max out the game on your PC, then. Dice themselves said this is not possible today, So you've got 30 FPS and non-maxed settings. I give you 2 weeks, then you'll get bored. And CoD games never fall under 60 FPS... That is a fact.lundy86_4

PS3 is consistently below 60FPS and the 360 drops intermittently.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"]Have fun trying to max out the game on your PC, then. Dice themselves said this is not possible today, So you've got 30 FPS and non-maxed settings. I give you 2 weeks, then you'll get bored. And CoD games never fall under 60 FPS... That is a fact.SHATT3R3D-GLASS

PS3 is consistently below 60FPS and the 360 drops intermittently.

You said, and I quote:

"CoD games never fall under 60 FPS... That is a fact."

It was, in fact, not a fact. You never specified a single game (which hasn't even released, I might add) ran at 60FPS consistently.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"] Probably? Nah... Assuming is always a bad argument. It's hard to spin this one. Don't get too bored playing BF3 in sub HD.SHATT3R3D-GLASS

And if past COD is to go by, 720p would not happen unless the game is 30FPS.

DICE obviously meant Ultra at 2560x1600 because 1920x1080 is doable. Would be odd if SLI/Crossfiring the most powerful gpus couldn't handle it. I bet a Bulldozer cpu can help as well.

And there goes it's chance of winning console graphics king.gpuking

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-call-of-duty-black-ops-faceoff

LOL, Black Ops goes under 60FPS in gameplay and even cutscenes, so much for your fact!

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-call-of-duty-black-ops-faceoff

LOL, Black Ops goes under 60FPS in gameplay and even cutscenes, so much for your fact!

mitu123

He then changed it to MW3 (which hasn't even released, lol) when he blatently said all CoD games. I doubt he'll be coming back :P

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

PS3 is consistently below 60FPS and the 360 drops intermittently.

lundy86_4

You said, and I quote:

"CoD games never fall under 60 FPS... That is a fact."

It was, in fact, not a fact. You never specified a single game (which hasn't even released, I might add) ran at 60FPS consistently.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"]Have fun trying to max out the game on your PC, then. Dice themselves said this is not possible today, So you've got 30 FPS and non-maxed settings. I give you 2 weeks, then you'll get bored. And CoD games never fall under 60 FPS... That is a fact.SHATT3R3D-GLASS

PS3 is consistently below 60FPS and the 360 drops intermittently.

60FPS using a decade old engine on modern hardware? That's amazing!

OK. Still, much higher than the BF games. And IW is raising the bar with MW3, delivering constant 60 FPS.SHATT3R3D-GLASS

Faster pace of play. Battlefield plays drastically different in its multiplayer. Furthermore, let's be honest, it's gonna have better graphics as well.CoD has a great advantage in its FPS, but it's certainly not the be all and end all. BF's destruction adds a whole different level of play.

I'll wait to see just how constant MW3's 60FPS is. A few drops here and there is not an issue.

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

PS3 is consistently below 60FPS and the 360 drops intermittently.

GD1551

60FPS using a decade old engine on modern hardware? That's amazing!

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"] IW has confirmed MW3 will run at 60 FPS at any time... And they are developing the game. You have not seen code, so I expect you to know nada about this whole thing.SHATT3R3D-GLASS

60FPS using a decade old engine on modern hardware? That's amazing!

PC is the platform with the most BF gamers if BC2 is any indication. Still I'm going to be having better graphics and 60FPS so yeah!!

IW has confirmed MW3 will run at 60 FPS at any time... And they are developing the game. You have not seen code, so I expect you to know nada about this whole thing.SHATT3R3D-GLASS

You said, and I quote:

"CoD games never fall under 60 FPS... That is a fact."

It was, in fact, not a fact. You never specified a single game (which hasn't even released, I might add) ran at 60FPS consistently.

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

60FPS using a decade old engine on modern hardware? That's amazing!

GD1551

PC is the platform with the most BF gamers if BC2 is any indication. Still I'm going to be having better graphics and 60FPS so yeah!!

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"] I'd rather have that than 30FPS with better graphics. Especially since the majority of BF3 gamers will be on consoles, and that's going to be in sub HD (= not so great graphics).SHATT3R3D-GLASS

PC is the platform with the most BF gamers if BC2 is any indication. Still I'm going to be having better graphics and 60FPS so yeah!!

If a 580GTX is running it like that on 60FPS the only thing I'll probably have to sacrifice is AA and AF, which I never turn on anyway.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"] IW has confirmed MW3 will run at 60 FPS at any time... And they are developing the game. You have not seen code, so I expect you to know nada about this whole thing.SHATT3R3D-GLASS

You said, and I quote:

"CoD games never fall under 60 FPS... That is a fact."

It was, in fact, not a fact. You never specified a single game (which hasn't even released, I might add) ran at 60FPS consistently.

Sledgehammer! Sledgehammer is raising the bar. NOT Infinity Ward. They are dead.

You said, and I quote:

"CoD games never fall under 60 FPS... That is a fact."

It was, in fact, not a fact. You never specified a single game (which hasn't even released, I might add) ran at 60FPS consistently.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"] OK. Still, much higher than the BF games. And IW is raising the bar with MW3, delivering constant 60 FPS.SHATT3R3D-GLASS

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"] I'd rather have that than 30FPS with better graphics. Especially since the majority of BF3 gamers will be on consoles, and that's going to be in sub HD (= not so great graphics).SHATT3R3D-GLASS

PC is the platform with the most BF gamers if BC2 is any indication. Still I'm going to be having better graphics and 60FPS so yeah!!

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] How? I can run Bad company 2 maxed on my pc at 85-90 frames a second and 60 with vsynch on Same exact thing goes for call of duty.Animal-Mother

If i see op in a game i will show you how much my subhd bullet cares about how subhd your head is.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"] I'm talking about the console versions. Nowadays, FPS belongs to consoles; it is bigger, sells better and generally is a bigger success on it. So while the PC version can run at the level of COD (with some graphical downgrades), the console version will never be able to.SHATT3R3D-GLASS

[QUOTE="Wesrcks13"]This doesn't matter at all, this is about the graphics. Does it matter if the game performed a graphical trick(s)? :P In the end result, the game looked amazing! :)

Not to mention, BETTER resolution, BETTER framerate, etc. ;)

soulitane

Also in this discussion yes it does matter if it uses tricks because (I'll repeat this again because apparently you missed it) it all depends on what you value more.

Also for future reference it's against the ToU to alter someones quote, or at least I'm pretty sure it is. :)

Nope, it isn't :P But it's against the ToU alter AND CHANGE someone's post though. Like quoting someone, and changing the words they said. Deleting part of someone's post when you quote them isn't against the ToU. After all, you did deBOLD and deleted my emoticons in one of my posts when you quoted me earlier. And the last time you quoted me you deBOLDED me again. ;) :P

Also :?, the lensoftruth technical break down is not an opinion, are you sure you read the article and saw the video? :?

I'll be paying in glorious HD on the superior PC version.Heil68

You and me both.