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#301 Wesrcks13
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[QUOTE="Wesrcks13"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"]

At this point we are going to have to agree to disagree. You would rather listen to other people and I would prefer people formulate their own opinions. It is not a rule that if you speak your own opinion it should be blogged, it's a rule that if you make a thread with no discussion it should be blogged.

soulitane

Ok, so you don't have to make a blog for that, thanks for clearing that up...

At this point, we are going to have to agree what you brought nothing to this argument, no links, nothing. So I'm still convinced that Crysis 2 (X360), sub HD with 30 FPS, is not technically the best looking game on consoles.

I wasn't trying to convince you otherwise. I don't care what game YOU think is the best looking game on consoles as what you think makes little difference as you are not the one who decides which game looks best. :)

Your whole argument has consisted of: this one site said one game> another therefore every other opinion is void and not worthwhile because if differs from mine and there's. People can have their own opinion and they are not wrong.

I couldn't care less what your opinion is either. ;) You jumped into this argument with nothing :?, nothing to counter LOT, when links were posting claiming Crysis 2 (X360) is technically the best looking game on consoles, I asked for video comparisons/analysis similar to LOT, to back up their claim. Did you show me anything? Nope. ;)

Lensoftruth's conclusion decided that Killzone 3 beat Crysis 2 (X360) technically, they had the analysis/comparison, they showed Crysis 2 (X360) sub HD 30 FPS, frame drops, KZ3's better resolution, better framerate, more things going on, etc. IGN didn't do any of this, and none of those links have done this either. LOT made their conclusion, and have done an analysis along with it. Those links, IGN, and you have not done this. Therefore, I'm going with LOT >> All of those links and your opinion.


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#302 soulitane
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[QUOTE="soulitane"]

[QUOTE="Wesrcks13"]

Ok, so you don't have to make a blog for that, thanks for clearing that up...

At this point, we are going to have to agree what you brought nothing to this argument, no links, nothing. So I'm still convinced that Crysis 2 (X360), sub HD with 30 FPS, is not technically the best looking game on consoles.

Wesrcks13

I wasn't trying to convince you otherwise. I don't care what game YOU think is the best looking game on consoles as what you think makes little difference as you are not the one who decides which game looks best. :)

Your whole argument has consisted of: this one site said one game> another therefore every other opinion is void and not worthwhile because if differs from mine and there's. People can have their own opinion and they are not wrong.

I couldn't care less what your opinion is either. ;) You jumped into this argument with nothing :?, nothing to counter LOT, when links were posting claiming Crysis 2 (X360) is technically the best looking game on consoles, I asked for video comparisons/analysis similar to LOT, to back up their claim. Did you show me anything? Nope. ;)

Lensoftruth's conclusion decided that Killzone 3 beat Crysis 2 (X360) technically, they had the analysis/comparison, they showed Crysis 2 (X360) sub HD 30 FPS, frame drops, KZ3's better resolution, better framerate, more things going on, etc. IGN didn't do any of this, and none of those links have done this either. LOT made their conclusion, and have done an analysis along with it. Those links, IGN, and you have not done this. Therefore, I'm going with LOT >> All of those links and your opinion.


and again, you alone do not decide which game looks the best, neither do LoT and neither do I. I have given you reasons as to why their analysis may not be fact, you have just chosen to ignore them in facour of your own opinion. They didn't do a full comparison, they missed things out including lighting which crysis 2 is considered to have amazing lighting for a console game and is one of the high points of it's graphics, they didn't go in depth on poly count, textures, all of those things make up the overall graphics. They made outlandish claims about technology they obviously know next to nothing about. The analysis is broken, just because it's the only one doesn't make it fact.

Again you may think KZ3 is the best looking game but it is not fact as which looks better comes down to opinion. :)

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#303 mitu123
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^You guys are serious arguing over opinions???

Facts are better...FACT.

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#304 soulitane
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^You guys are serious arguing over opinions???

Facts are better...FACT.

mitu123
Considering the whole idea of a console graphics king is opinion it's kind of hard to argue facts :P
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#305 godzillavskong
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[QUOTE="Wesrcks13"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"]

SW for the time I have been here hasn't been able to give a clear consensus on what game actually is the "console graphics king", everyone has always had a different opinion on what it is. Now is no different

You bring up lemmings and all that but what does that have to do with anything I have said? As you said I am not a lemming and quite a few posters here consider me to be unbias (or at least as close to it as one can get). So that has absolutely no relavance here and Idon't know why you bought it up. I couldn't care less which console has the CGK, my favourite game on the PS3 is yakuza 3, which looks pretty bad most of the time. All the games that are up for the CGK title hold little interest for me. Even crysis 2 was only worth a single playthrough, they might have the best graphics but they aren't always the best games.

Also why bring up someone elses opinion who posts on the forum if you're not willing to accept that people can think that crysis 2 is CGK? His opinion holds as much relavance as theirs and according to you their opinion doesn't matter.

You don't trust system war polls but their polls are somehow better?

Your last paragraph leads me to believe you don't fully know what my point has been all this time. As I have always said on this forum, the CGK is completely opinionated and the difference is generally so minimal which is why people here can never decide. I never said crysis 2 was CGK, I have always been saying that it all comes down to opinion which one is the best. Which is why we all these CGK threads around the place.

You don't trust system war polls but their polls are somehow better?

You said:

"until you stop bringing up your opinion/other opinions and stay in the realm of Wesrcks13 and you can bring me another analysis/video from another place like Digital Foundry for example, (Isn't this how SW decides the best looking game on consoles in the first place?) or whatever the names of those other sites are that I see credible, that proves LOT wrong, I don't want this KZ3 vs. Crysis 2 (X360) discussion to continue"

Why does it matter if YOU see it as credible, why not formulate an opinion of your own by playing the game? Why do we need to have a site judge for us which is better and which isn't? I have played crysis 2 and it looks pretty damn good in motion and just as that site said, you never really notice any of the FPS drops or the pop in while playing. The game looks fantastic. If you disagree with what I said then that's your opinion and just like everyone else you are entitled to it but others opinions aren't wrong just because a single site and some people say otherwise :)

soulitane

The part about lemmings wasn't towards you. :P You didn't have to read that part. :)

I don't trust System Wars polls for many reasons, and in this case the polls could be voted by many users who haven't played either game. Alts, and other factions that just want to see the PS3 game lose... (Kinda like the HYPE threads for exclusives) And most of those polls were during Crysis 2's launch so the HYPE for that game was there, I think I even remember Alan Wake threads/polls claiming it was better than Uncharted 2's graphics during the Alan Wake HYPE, The LOT staff overall decided Killzone 3 was better technically, yes one staff thought Crysis 2 (X360) is better, and there are many here that believe Crysis 2 (X360) is better too. Here's the problem with those users, I just don't accept their opinion without doing a comparison/analysis/video/etc. To support their claim, and show me their points. Until then, I have to stick with LOT. But you're right, it is an opinion if the user's opinion is credible or not. :P

I also don't follow CGK threads, but they are all over System Wars... So you can get an idea on what's going on, right now I think Uncharted 2/Gears 3 are fighting over the crown. :P But, this is something I want to say, there are no more threads on Crysis 2 (X360) and I think if a thread today had the topic asking if Crysis 2 (X360) was the best looking game on consoles to date, I'm sure it won't win.

I have played Killzone 3 and I thought it looked fantastic, with everything going on and the framerate never taking a hit, just like the video/analysis said. I'm almost certain that System Wars has some kind of way to decide what is the official graphics king, maybe not I guess. It's true, one site and some people can't break the balance between opinion and fact here. :)

So I think we can come to an agreement of sorts here, which is good.

Alan Wake may not look as good as the best on consoles but the game still looks amazing and I'm pretty sure the only people after launch saying it looked better than UC2 were... well a certain type of user :wink:

Whether you accept them or not doesn't mean they are wrong in their opinion. I enjoyed Yakuza 1 and 2 far more than most AAA games, just because a review thinks it's only worth A doesn't mean my opinion is wrong but nor does it mean theirs is wrong either.

If we were to have a thread today it probably wouldn't win in votes but it will still have people voting for it and thus meaning there are people who have the opinion that it is the best looking game on consoles. Also there is no "official" way to decide what the overall CGK is, generally people just use polls but most of the time the winner changes and people have completely differing opinions on which looks better. Even with the PS3 exclusives they find it hard to decide which further just proves the point it's all just an opinion. You will never get SW to agree on anything, or at least they agree on next to nothing.

Also no bold :o

I preferred the visuals of Alan Wake over UC, and I thought were on par with UC2. I didn't think Crysis 2 was close to being the best looking console game, or even best looking 360 game either. I also think KZ2 looked better than KZ3. Maybe it's the color palette they used. Either way each system has it's share of great looking games.
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#306 soulitane
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I preferred the visuals of Alan Wake over UC, and I thought were on par with UC2. I didn't think Crysis 2 was close to being the best looking console game, or even best looking 360 game either. I also think KZ2 looked better than KZ3. Maybe it's the color palette they used. Either way each system has it's share of great looking games. godzillavskong
That's pretty much what I've been saying this whole time, it all comes down to opinion :P
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#307 Johnny_Rock
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Same resolution both here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBH4rRdN8wI

I thought it would be entertaing as well.

AlphaJC

I don't know why this is surprising to anybody. You are making games for 5 year old hardware. What do people really expect?

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#308 Wesrcks13
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and again, you alone do not decide which game looks the best, neither do LoT and neither do I. They also didn't do a full comparison, they missed things out including lighting which crysis 2 is considered to have amazing lighting for a console game and is one of the high points of it's graphics.

Again you may think KZ3 is the best looking game but it is not fact as which looks better comes down to opinion. :)

soulitane

Again, you've done no comparison/analysis, you didn't even bring any links, nothing. IGN Crysis 2 reviewer said Crysis 2 (X360) is the best looking game on consoles and all he brings up is it's lighting effects/set pieces, never brought up a word on it's technical problems, like fps drop/screen tearing. That seems like it's missing more than the LOT analysis to me. :P You can go ahead and say Crysis 2's IGN review includes more things and proves that it beats Uncharted 2/God Of War 3/Killzone 2/Killzone 3 for technically the best looking game on consoles, even though Uncharted 2/Killzone 3/God Of War 3/Killzone 2 aren't even mentioned once. :P

Also, I don't think KZ3 is the best looking game on consoles, despite Crysis 2 (X360) amazing lighting and set pieces, I think the LOT analysis was enough, showing KZ3 is ahead due to the technical problems Crysis 2 (X360) has and how KZ3 has better resolution and framerate. :P

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#309 soulitane
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[QUOTE="soulitane"]

and again, you alone do not decide which game looks the best, neither do LoT and neither do I. They also didn't do a full comparison, they missed things out including lighting which crysis 2 is considered to have amazing lighting for a console game and is one of the high points of it's graphics.

Again you may think KZ3 is the best looking game but it is not fact as which looks better comes down to opinion. :)

Wesrcks13

Again, you've done no comparison/analysis, you didn't even bring any links, nothing. IGN Crysis 2 reviewer said Crysis 2 (X360) is the best looking game on consoles and all he brings up is it's lighting effects/set pieces, never brought up a word on it's technical problems, like fps drop/screen tearing. That seems like it's missing more than the LOT analysis to me. :P You can go ahead and say Crysis 2's IGN review includes more things and proves that it beats Uncharted 2/God Of War 3/Killzone 2/Killzone 3 for technically the best looking game on consoles, even though Uncharted 2/Killzone 3/God Of War 3/Killzone 2 aren't even mentioned once. :P

Also, I don't think KZ3 is the best looking game on consoles, despite Crysis 2 (X360) amazing lighting and set pieces, I think the LOT analysis was enough, showing KZ3 is ahead due to the technical problems Crysis 2 (X360) has and how KZ3 has better resolution and framerate. :P

Why mention the IGN statement? I even said I do not care for their opinion either right from the start. I personally do not think an analysis that misses parts that should be included is enough, if you do that's fine. like I stated it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. As far as I'm concerned eternal sonata, valkyria chronicles and ni no (can't remember the word that comes next :P) are the best looking games on consoles. They may not have the best textures or lighting but they look better than all these other games that people often mention.
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#310 Wesrcks13
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Why mention the IGN statement? I even said I do not care for their opinion either right from the start. I personally do not think an analysis that misses parts that should be included is enough, if you do that's fine. like I stated it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. As far as I'm concerned eternal sonata, valkyria chronicles and ni no (can't remember the word that comes next :P) are the best looking games on consoles. They may not have the best textures or lighting but they look better than all these other games that people often mention.soulitane

I brought up the IGN statement just to answer to all the people that go by IGN over LOT in this Crysis 2 (X360) thing. Well, now I know you're not one of them. Lensoftruth's article did say that Crysis 2 did have better lighting btw.I see you like the artistic looking games ;), I like that look too.. along with the look of the games that people often mention. My favorite artistic looking ones are Valkyria Chronicles and the Naruto Storm games. Ni No Kuni looks awesome, I'm glad it's getting localized.

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#311 godzillavskong
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[QUOTE="godzillavskong"]I preferred the visuals of Alan Wake over UC, and I thought were on par with UC2. I didn't think Crysis 2 was close to being the best looking console game, or even best looking 360 game either. I also think KZ2 looked better than KZ3. Maybe it's the color palette they used. Either way each system has it's share of great looking games. soulitane
That's pretty much what I've been saying this whole time, it all comes down to opinion :P

Yep. The thing is I like both games, and the visuals are stunning in their own ways. Both have dynamic lighting, and while the colors in UC2 are more vibrant, Alan Wake succeeds very well in making the visuals captivate, without using a wide range of colors.
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#312 VanDammFan
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Thanks TC for the information MAN...now i wont waste my money on that game. I know its going to look horrible and jaggy if its not HD..I can put back that money and save it...THANKS..

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[QUOTE="soulitane"]Why mention the IGN statement? I even said I do not care for their opinion either right from the start. I personally do not think an analysis that misses parts that should be included is enough, if you do that's fine. like I stated it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. As far as I'm concerned eternal sonata, valkyria chronicles and ni no (can't remember the word that comes next :P) are the best looking games on consoles. They may not have the best textures or lighting but they look better than all these other games that people often mention.Wesrcks13

I brought up the IGN statement just to answer to all the people that go by IGN over LOT in this Crysis 2 (X360) thing. Well, now I know you're not one of them. Lensoftruth's article did say that Crysis 2 did have better lighting btw.I see you like the artistic looking games ;), I like that look too.. along with the look of the games that people often mention. My favorite artistic looking ones are Valkyria Chronicles and the Naruto Storm games. Ni No Kuni looks awesome, I'm glad it's getting localized.

If you bothered to look at the tech behind both engines from GDC presentations you'd come to the conclusion that CE3 is more advanced, purely because it is based on CE2, a cutting edge PC engine.
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I don't know why people are even buying this for consoles.
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#315 GD1551
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I don't know why people are even buying this for consoles.princeofshapeir

Cause they only got a console? I suspect consoles will get medium quality which will look pretty awesome.

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#316 godzillavskong
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I don't know why people are even buying this for consoles.princeofshapeir
What if they don't own a gaming PC? Will it not be any fun on the PS3 or Xbox 360? I tend to believe that it will be, seeing as how graphics aren't everything. While they matter to a degree, we all know the gameplay is the bread and butter of gaming, which Battlefield is well known for .
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#317 godzillavskong
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People like Prince are the ones who give PC gamers a bad rep. Not all of them think their PC is the epicenter of gaming, or that console gamers are beneath them, playing on inferior machines.

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#318 gta50419
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It will still looks just as impressive as pc version

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#319 ActionRemix
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I don't know why people are even buying this for consoles.princeofshapeir
I dunno. Why are you playing TF2?
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#320 gta50419
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I don't know why people are even buying this for consoles.princeofshapeir
some of us don't like going thru the trouble of pc gaming just for slight tiny unnoticable graphics jump over consoles.

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#321 mitu123
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It will still looks just as impressive as pc version

gta50419

Not if this screen is to go by unless the final build looks better:

=p

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#322 ActionRemix
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[QUOTE="gta50419"]

It will still looks just as impressive as pc version

mitu123

Not if this screen is to go by unless the final build looks better:

=p

To us, that looks great. It looks bad to you because you're invested in your gaming PC and so you despise jaggies above all else. They're doing a really good job with the console versions. The difference between console and PC is not going to be as dramatic as I thought it would be.
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#323 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="gta50419"]

It will still looks just as impressive as pc version

ActionRemix

Not if this screen is to go by unless the final build looks better:

=p

To us, that looks great. It looks bad to you because you're invested in your gaming PC and so you despise jaggies above all else. They're doing a really good job with the console versions. The difference between console and PC is not going to be as dramatic as I thought it would be.

For a console game it looks great, but compared to PC(definitely mine) it looks ok.

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#324 godzillavskong
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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]I don't know why people are even buying this for consoles.ActionRemix
I dunno. Why are you playing TF2?

Exactly! He's just a bit arrogant eh?
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#325 ActionRemix
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[QUOTE="ActionRemix"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]I don't know why people are even buying this for consoles.godzillavskong
I dunno. Why are you playing TF2?

Exactly! He's just a bit arrogant eh?

He's going to say TF2 looks better than console BF3 thanks to AA, 120 fps, and 1600p. :P