Battlefield something or another - woman empowerment

this is star wars battlefront 2 WW2 MOD. nothing else.

BTW They are saying no premium pass and no lootboxes.(!)

If this game turns out to be a fair full game sold to the public on the up&up by EA, without any shady stuff, I will cheer for it. If it's good I will personally get people to buy the game, if that is the case.

I do hear there will be cosmetic mtx. But I also hear future DLC will be free. That's a fair trade imo. Did EA actually learn? I can barely believe that... The stockholders would never let them... We'll see. That would be so unexpected to me.

Let's remain very cautious. But I'll be fair. If they turn around and bring out a game that doesn't screw people over and it's good I will happily support it. I will go through CGI fire for them if that's really true.

Battlefield V: SJW

They should replace the female on the cover with another gender with Hillary Clinton.

My thoughts exactly. I wanna bleed my 1080Ti for this lol.

This was the best Battlefield 1 trailer imho:

But yeah, of course the devs are free to choose how much they they base this on reality or not.

Of course I would've liked if this was grounded in reality a bit more... But oh well, Battlefield is still better than 99% of online shooters out there.

@tigerbalm: Who cares? She's cute!

I don't think it will bleed. DICE Frostbite games are one of the most optimized.

More than anything the colors really popped in the trailer.

Love games that have some great use of colors.

@uninspiredcup:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/battlefield-v-reveal-trailer-october-19th.44454/

LOL the reset era thread has warning in OP saying people will get banned if they dont agree with thier SJW and feminist view despite having historically inaccurate. no wonder that place is cancer..

Just out of curiosity, did women fight in open conflict like that for any country during ww2 or is it total video game fiction...?

From a game perspective, there are no EA games that I find safe to purchase on day 1, so I'll wait to see how bad they've screwed up and adjust from there.

Battlefield 1 was really fun.

Ironic how a forum that hates Donald Trump so much, acts so much like him.

kinda sad because of crap like this. the real game like Metro got delayed.

I never thought WW2 games return would be so bad. first CODWW2 now this.

I guess next brothers in arms will be only authentic WW2 game. with all male squad and based on true serious history..

That is all. lolol :P

Almost half the people seem to dislike the Battlefield V trailer;

It's a lot worse than Battlefield 1's reveal trailer I must say.

Daniel Vavra needs to get on some Hidden & Dangerous 3 already. F**k all these pretenders/popamole WW2 shooters.

And yea, I'd stay away from reject era if you want to keep your sanity.

I only really know of the Russians having women in their army in significant numbers.

There were women tank drivers and snipers in the russian army.

But this is the 40s man: there was still a lot of racism: towards black people in the army for example.

Women didn't have much rights or much say in the 40s.

But they did help the war effort a lot: A lot of women worked in factories manufacturing ammo or even weapons or tanks.

But front line ? Nope, 99.99% of soldiers in WWII were men. And it kinda doesn't fit with the theme to have half the people running around as women (just like it didn't fit in COD WWII)

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/is-dice-worst-aaa-developer-today-33427486/?page=1

I made a thread not long ago that DICE being worst AAA developer. guess i was not wrong.

after battlefront 2. i dont see how can anyone hype for this.

@R4gn4r0k: I'm all for games taking liberties to present something that resonates with all gamers.. It was odd seeing fighting women's battalion though.... It made me wanna run to my history books!

Interesting to see this is backed by Nvidia and not Radeon this time around. At least this gives me hope Battlefield V will be graphics king.

Who cares? It's a Battlefield game. The only time the SP was remotely relevant was the Bad Company series. The rest of the time it was just a waste of space and bandwidth. Or nonexistant outside bots, for those who joined the series after the console jump.

I feel like I'm the only one on Gamespot/System Wars is really, really hyped for this! Hearing how the game is gonna play has me interested, but the trailer was indeed lackluster but not the worst. BF1's trailer was epic in comparison.

If its an alternate universe type deal the trailer makes a lot more sense, have to see some actual gameplay though. I'm hoping,its still at least feet on the ground and isn't going to go all cod stupid on us.

video games are mostly not realistic.

just to let you know

Looked like garbage. Doesn't look like the game plays anything like a Battlefield game and there was 0 attempt to keep a WWII aesthetic. Literally none of the soldiers had identifiable uniforms and they all had stupid, period incorrect shit plastered all over them.

They spent 30 minutes telling us that it was going to be an "immersive WWII" game and then they gave us Mad Max.

It's not even about having women. Look at Rainbow Six Siege. They manage to have half of the operators be women and still keep the aesthetic and setting (even with colorful skins). This is just DICE being incompetent.

It's basically fiction. There were a handful of female combat soldiers in WWII, primarily in the Soviet Union. Partisan groups in Eastern Europe and France would utilize women, but rarely for open fighting. More for espionage and reconnaissance and whatnot. Movies and video games take a lot of liberties with women soldiers.

Front line soldiers were never women. Women that followed the front line were pretty much all nurses and clerks. Women's biggest role in WWII was manning the factories and taking up jobs that men usually did, keeping the war machine moving.

The biggest problem with the trailer was that it was absolute chaos, didn't look like a Battlefield game in the slightest, and there was absolutely no WWII aesthetic anywhere to be found. Cricket bat wielding soldiers DID NOT EXIST. Amputees DID NOT FIGHT ON THE FRONT LINE. They've decided that since they are removing premium that they need to broaden the audience as much as possible so they can support the game through cosmetic microtransactions. This apparently means taking a complete dump on the entire series and not even attempting to have an art style true to the war they are supposed to be representing. Not a single solider in that entire video looked like they belonged to a military in WWII.

Everybody is focusing on the subject of women on the frontline and that's incredibly misleading. It leads to people blindly defending DICE's hilariously terrible aesthetic and tonal choices. It's a catch all for criticisms.

Since Battlefield 1942 there series has always tried to represent each conflict as authentically as possible when it came to visual style. There isn't anything realistic about the series, but when liberties were taken in the name of gameplay, they were done so with respect to the conflict. Even the crazy shit in Battlefield 1 at least kept a WWI aesthetic.

They've completely thrown that out in favor of over-the-top cosmetics and a tone of an arena shooter. It's bonkers. Everybody is caught up on women being featured as characters and that seems to be where the argument lives or dies. In reality it's a massive shift away from how the series has always presented itself. Even the Bad Company series had a modern military aesthetic that they kept to.

It's pathetic. It's all because they want to sell cosmetics to Fortnite fans because EA is afraid that pulling the Premium and DLC model away is going to lose them money.

Those saying "who cares" don't come off as fans of the series. One of the major selling points of BF3 vs. the CoD series was how DICE was sticking to a more serious tone and aesthetic, even if the gameplay was more arcady and unrealistic. While CoD was going crazy with zombies, michael bay set pieces, and ridiculous weapons/gadgets, Battlefield's aesthetic was ground in reality to a level.

Guess what. Battlefield 4 featured a woman solider as one of the main characters in the SP and nobody complained about that. BF1 had female snipers. Nobody cared about that. Why? Because they were dressed appropriately for the era.

This is just stupid. Why did this trailer feature an amputee solider with a prosthetic arm killing somebody with a barbwire cricket bat and saying a snarky comment like she was Tracer from Overwatch? How does any of that fit Battlefield? I watched their presentation and they spent 30 minutes talking about how Battlefield V was going to be an "immersive WWII experience" and acommpanied it with some seriously nice looking concept art. Then the actual game looks nothing like WWII.

It's pathetic and completely goes against the entire mentality of the series.

I'm willing to hold off on the gameplay until we see an actual multiplayer match because that trailer was clearly not gameplay. There's no way the game play that stupidly.

Doom is historically accurate.

But of course, that's top secret info from the future.

Thanks for putting it so well.

I watched the live reveal yesterday and I was so glad that I stayed up for it: Almost everything they talked about sold me on the game.

Absolutely loved hearing about all the changes and improvements to Battlefield 1.

And then they showed the trailer... and it just looked so off somehow.

It didn't look like a WWII battle going on, it looked like a Michael Bay power fantasy.

It looked like a Battlefield Heroes trailer, honestly.

You know what's sad? Call of Duty WWII has a more authentic WWII aesthetic and feel than BFV and that game has black female nazis running around. That's how poor DICE did.

When I played CoD WWII it turned out having female avatars in the multiplayer really doesn't change anything. It didn't even feel out of place or anything when contrasted against the gameplay. It was fine. Sure it wasn't historically accurate, but since the avatars were wearing proper period clothing and using mostly proper period weapons, it fell into place.

It's not too much to ask for Battlefield to do the same. Why the hell does an SAS dude have a katana? That's stupid.

You know what's crazy? If you go watch JackFrag's video on it or read a recap of his video, the changes they are making to the core gameplay of BFV sound absolutely amazing. No more full health regen, lots more scarce ammo, a focus on building fortifications and destroying them, a lot of quality of life improvements, improved movement system, and just a better sounding game overall. Literally none of it was shown off in the trailer.

The marketing for the game is asinine.

I can’t wait until I get the opportunity to play as a strong independent Down syndrome woman with autism, that has a missing leg and feels like she is meant to be a man

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here's a list of everything coming to Battlefield V. I stole it from Reddit.

• No Season Pass
• Launch locations are France, Norway, Rotterdam, and North Africa desert
• Coop Mode called Combined Arms (which I think is what the trailer was showing)
• Single player War Stories return
• Fortifications are things like sand bags, trenches, tank stoppers. Only supports can build offensively defense fortifications such as machine guns, field cannons and are much faster at building everything.
• Predetermined areas to build such as at flags, can rebuild destroyed buildings
• Attrition system – health bar is in stages, only regen up to closet stage not to 100 anymore
• Physical interactions – every action in the game requires a player interact for things like medkits, spotting, ammo, ledge grabbing (example: healing requires walking over to a health pack, character animation to pick it up, then start healing)
• No more HUD/map spotting, spotting is based on movement/changes around you
• Attrition system – much less ammo on spawn, out of ammo after a few fights, but more ways to resupply ammo in the battlefield from packs, crates, or grabbing small amounts of ammo off of bodies (all requires physical interactions)
• Revive system has a full on animation, takes a few seconds to complete, no more revive trains, takes time to complete
• Ragdolls are server side, can now drag a downed player's body elsewhere
• Any class can do a squad revive, takes longer than a medic revive, does not give full health points
• Can call for help when down such as in the trailer
• Ragdolls (player bodies) effect the environment, push down grass etc.
• Gunplay completely changed
• No more visual recoil
• Each gun has a unique recoil pattern that can be learned and mastered
• Bipods easier to use and setup
• Bullet penetration through thin wood, sheet metal, walls
• Movement change, can now dive froward, backward, left and right similar to R6 Siege prone system
• Diving has a delay to prevent dolphin diving
• Crouch sprinting is in the game
• Can burst out of widows and commando roll, no destroying windows first (like in trailer)
• Can catch, throwback or shoot grenades
• Less grenades because less ammo
• Can tow items in the game with vehicles such as previously stationary anti-air guns, teammate can use an anti-air gun while you tow it with a vehicle
• For example, can drive a tiger tank towing a field cannon behind it or a truck towing ammo crate to resupply teammates on the front line
• Destruction explodes inwards or outwards based on where the destruction happens. Throw a grenade inside of the building? The explosion sends things outside of it. Outside of it? Breaks inwards.
• Tank driving into a building slowly destroys a building, walls slowly crack/fall, not instant
• Heavily focused on squad play, instant placed in squad when joining a game
• New squad spawning system, squad deploy system that shows what squad mates are doing in third person in real time before the tactical map screen, so spawning on squad is kicker than spawning on tactical map screen
• Since squad spawning/deploying is faster than tactical map, squad wipes are serious
• Squads accumulate points that can be spent on "squad call-ins", only squad leader can spend them in
• Squad Call-ins are V1 or JB2 rockets as seen in the trailer, supply drops with ammo/health, a smoke barrage, heavy weapon pickups (not hero kits), squad only vehicles such as Churchill crocodile flamethrower tank or the Sturm tiger
• Elite classes are gone
• Behemoths are gone
• Large, non-fatal explosions can knock a player over (saw this in the trailer)
• Four classes are back: assault, medic, scout, support
• Create a solider, add them to a company of soldiers, then can customize things like gender, face look, face paint, outfit, accessories, etc. and assign them a class archtype
• Class archetypes highly customizable
• Can be an assault that specializes in anti-tank or anti-infantry only, or a mix of both, etc.
• Highly specialized archetypes called exotics such as a recon paratrooper, stealthy short-range behind enemy lines person who uses a suppressed SMG and silent gadgets like pistols and garrotes comes with silent footsteps and throwing knives
• Can change and add specialization trees such as agility, flak armor, suppressive resistance
• The more you play a class more you get more specializations/archtypes within said class

Most of these changes sound fantastic. Where was any of that in the trailer?

Doom is far more accurate than these so called historical games.

and please dont compare Doom to battlefield. its insult to Doom.

@Wasdie Yes most changes sound cool. The building of fortifications has huge implications. This could change maps from match to match more than ever before. The ammo constrains could be awesome. Squad call-ins sound much better than the sqaud systems we had before. Towing items sounds like a lot of fun. Throwing back grenades is awesome.

Gusts and explosions having impact on the player sounds very cool in combination with those player animations that happen unbeknownst to you... if it doesn't happen too much? In BF1 I get partially hit by grenades about every 8 seconds. So that could turn into losing control every 8 seconds, but it still sounds cool. I suppose grenades won't do this, only bigger explosions. Being able to throw them back is awesome.

A lot of yes in that list.

I liked the behemoths too, but their implementation left a lot to be desired and I really don't think there would be a better way to do them.

Everyone went mad over the game not having a season pass, but I kinda see it as a necessary evil.

Look what EA comes up with instead of a season pass (splitting a playerbase):

- Battlefront II had barely any post launch content to speak off, and that was payed for by completely destroying the game's balance

- Battlefield V throws it's theme and aesthetic out of the window to include as much player customization as possible, even having rediculous stuff like an amputated arm replacement.

@R4gn4r0k: I'm also really afraid of the gameplay ramification. They are removing visual recoil. That's... not really sure how that's going to work. Could be an indication that they are increasing the pace of the game even further. Even with all of these changes, they could be streamlining the game to make it even faster paced and less tactical and less like a Battlefield game.

Though they are increasing the amount of animations you need to do to pick up ammo, health, and revive. You also don't have auto health regen to full. I'm confused. I'm getting a lot of mixed signals from the gameplay.

Ultimately I would hate for them to feel like they have to chase the Fortnite crowd because they ditched Premium. I would vastly prefer DLC to them ruining the core of the game to appeal to a different audience.

I was also a fan of the Behemoths in BF1.

They reminded me of the really big ships we had in BF1942.

I was also imagining stuff like a B17 bomber or a King Tiger to be usable as behemoths.

ummmmmm

I think visual recoil is something they implemented in BF4, with your weapon recoiling more visually than the actual recoil your bullets would suffer from.

They toned that down in BF1 (thought they removed it completely ?)

Yeah a a lot of these changes sound really neat. And then other changes you really do wonder who this game is aimed at. So many people are pissed at all the liberties they are taking now. If they implement a Battle Royale mode I think I'm out for good.

Sequel where many of the changes sound great and many of the changes sound poorly implemented ...

Is it me or is this starting to remind a lot of Battlefront II ?

yeah that's a pretty weird statement.

I mean I cringe when I see a German soldier spawn in with an M1 garand

but I've never ever seen a person walking around with a 4 barreled rocket launcher or manheld minigun whilst punching demons in the face.

Comon Ghosts ! Your hate for EA/DICE knows no bounds.

because its a sci fi game. not claim to be realistic or war game.

And yet you say it's far more accurate. I mean you know I was joking, right?

Also, when did I compare Doom to anything?

I was making fun of people who want video games to be historically accurate.

Also, Rotterdam. Will that be pre-bombardment or in rubble? I bet it will play more around the initial German paratroopers landing in the city combined with some smaller bombardments. I hope so because pre-bombed Rotterdam was pretty.

After some searching it appears that in 'grand operations' it starts pre-bombing. Which means there are different versions of Rotterdam: pre-bombing and at least a variant after the initial bombings. That's cool.

From gameinformer:

EA's Nier Automata attempt...

Oh, they went full Wolfenstein. The hell is up with all the sliding? Trying too hard.

They can always make the trailers look fancy.

It's really weird because while they did increase the movement of the character, JackFrags specifically says that all of the actions you do now require animations. No more AoE stuff for heals and ammo. While getting healed up and ammo may be short little ones, they will prevent you from shooting while you're getting healed. Apparently reviving also requires a good second long animation that locks the medic down as he's reviving. That's a pretty significant change.

So there's a lot of interesting things going on and some clashing stuff. They seem to be making movement faster but also slowing down the game in other ways. The lack of health regen and lower ammo is going to slow players down a lot as well.

Soviet Union has women sniper teams.

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/roza-shanina-1945/ EA needs to try harder... Better still, wait for Polish devs to deliver the goods.

We are trying something a bit different this week on InRange, with Danielle as a special guest to try out a 91/30 PU and an SVD. She brings a different perspective to the guns, as a 3-gun competitor and relative newbie to the shooting sports (she's been shooting for just a couple years, since emigrating from South Africa). What do you think?

The Soviet Union was pretty much unique among major powers in WWII to field large numbers of women in direct combat roles. About 2,000 female snipers graduated from the academies and saw frontline fighting, and they had a survival rate of just 25%. The most successful, Ludmilla Pavlichenko, was credited with 309 kills before being wounded by mortar fire in 1942 and pulled off the lines to do a publicity tour in the US and teach as a sniper instructor. During her time in the US she became close friends with Eleanor Roosevelt, and received widespread recognition. Of course, the press was more concerned with how unstylish her uniform was, rather than what she actually did.

@ronvalencia said:

Soviet Union has women sniper teams.

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/roza-shanina-1945/

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The Soviet Union was pretty much unique among major powers in WWII to field large numbers of women in direct combat roles. About 2,000 female snipers graduated from the academies and saw frontline fighting, and they had a survival rate of just 25%. The most successful, Ludmilla Pavlichenko, was credited with 309 kills before being wounded by mortar fire in 1942 and pulled off the lines to do a publicity tour in the US and teach as a sniper instructor. During her time in the US she became close friends with Eleanor Roosevelt, and received widespread recognition. Of course, the press was more concerned with how unstylish her uniform was, rather than what she actually did.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is here.

@Wasdie: As far as we know the soviet union isn't even in the game.

I'm hyped for it too bro! I'm a BF guy for life.

I don't give a shit if it has a woman on the cover or not. You watch Jackfrags deep dive into gameplay and you'll find out this is going to be the most hardcore BF game to date!

While noobs are crying about the addition of women to the game I'm excited about the new gameplay possibilities we'll get in this game. You can tell DICE wants to make this their most innovative BF game to date.