Battlefield something or another - woman empowerment

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#151 DaVillain  Moderator
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@Wasdie said:

Here's a list of everything coming to Battlefield V. I stole it from Reddit.

  • No Season Pass
  • Launch locations are France, Norway, Rotterdam, and North Africa desert
  • Coop Mode called Combined Arms (which I think is what the trailer was showing)
  • Single player War Stories return
  • Fortifications are things like sand bags, trenches, tank stoppers. Only supports can build offensively defense fortifications such as machine guns, field cannons and are much faster at building everything.
  • Predetermined areas to build such as at flags, can rebuild destroyed buildings
  • Attrition system – health bar is in stages, only regen up to closet stage not to 100 anymore
  • Physical interactions – every action in the game requires a player interact for things like medkits, spotting, ammo, ledge grabbing (example: healing requires walking over to a health pack, character animation to pick it up, then start healing)
  • No more HUD/map spotting, spotting is based on movement/changes around you
  • Attrition system – much less ammo on spawn, out of ammo after a few fights, but more ways to resupply ammo in the battlefield from packs, crates, or grabbing small amounts of ammo off of bodies (all requires physical interactions)
  • Revive system has a full on animation, takes a few seconds to complete, no more revive trains, takes time to complete
  • Ragdolls are server side, can now drag a downed player's body elsewhere
  • Any class can do a squad revive, takes longer than a medic revive, does not give full health points
  • Can call for help when down such as in the trailer
  • Ragdolls (player bodies) effect the environment, push down grass etc.
  • Gunplay completely changed
  • No more visual recoil
  • Each gun has a unique recoil pattern that can be learned and mastered
  • Bipods easier to use and setup
  • Bullet penetration through thin wood, sheet metal, walls
  • Movement change, can now dive froward, backward, left and right similar to R6 Siege prone system
  • Diving has a delay to prevent dolphin diving
  • Crouch sprinting is in the game
  • Can burst out of widows and commando roll, no destroying windows first (like in trailer)
  • Can catch, throwback or shoot grenades
  • Less grenades because less ammo
  • Can tow items in the game with vehicles such as previously stationary anti-air guns, teammate can use an anti-air gun while you tow it with a vehicle
  • For example, can drive a tiger tank towing a field cannon behind it or a truck towing ammo crate to resupply teammates on the front line
  • Destruction explodes inwards or outwards based on where the destruction happens. Throw a grenade inside of the building? The explosion sends things outside of it. Outside of it? Breaks inwards.
  • Tank driving into a building slowly destroys a building, walls slowly crack/fall, not instant
  • Heavily focused on squad play, instant placed in squad when joining a game
  • New squad spawning system, squad deploy system that shows what squad mates are doing in third person in real time before the tactical map screen, so spawning on squad is kicker than spawning on tactical map screen
  • Since squad spawning/deploying is faster than tactical map, squad wipes are serious
  • Squads accumulate points that can be spent on "squad call-ins", only squad leader can spend them in
  • Squad Call-ins are V1 or JB2 rockets as seen in the trailer, supply drops with ammo/health, a smoke barrage, heavy weapon pickups (not hero kits), squad only vehicles such as Churchill crocodile flamethrower tank or the Sturm tiger
  • Elite classes are gone
  • Behemoths are gone
  • Large, non-fatal explosions can knock a player over (saw this in the trailer)
  • Four classes are back: assault, medic, scout, support
  • Create a solider, add them to a company of soldiers, then can customize things like gender, face look, face paint, outfit, accessories, etc. and assign them a class archtype
  • Class archetypes highly customizable
  • Can be an assault that specializes in anti-tank or anti-infantry only, or a mix of both, etc.
  • Highly specialized archetypes called exotics such as a recon paratrooper, stealthy short-range behind enemy lines person who uses a suppressed SMG and silent gadgets like pistols and garrotes comes with silent footsteps and throwing knives
  • Can change and add specialization trees such as agility, flak armor, suppressive resistance
  • The more you play a class more you get more specializations/archtypes within said class

Most of these changes sound fantastic. Where was any of that in the trailer?

Those changes sounds great to me. The trailer was lackluster, but the changes and new features have a lot of potential to be a good game. What's more surprising is that Nvidia is backing this game, so I'm hoping the PC version is as good as it can be, so that's my main concern at least. As for the "woman in WW2" It's seems Dice/EA is trying to appeal to a larger type of gamers out there, the stupid Fortnite battle royal cartoon Overwatch cohort. And of course the increasing amounts of woman gamers, and political correctness of course. It's awry from the historical accurateness and the Battlefield that we used to know.

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#152 deactivated-5c56012aaa167
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@ghosts4ever said:
@dorog1995 said:

It annoys me that DICE puts a lot of effort in their Battlefield games but when it comes to Battlefront they become as lazy as hell.(Even though that WW2 shouldn't have women in front lines)

this is star wars battlefront 2 WW2 MOD. nothing else.

From What I saw it has spawn points, 2 player vehicles and vehicles on map which EAFront 2 didn't have.

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#153 NFJSupreme
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@Pedro: isn’t it funny though? OMG it’s a WOMAN. what is this the 40s?

I don’t get the big deal

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#154  Edited By ronvalencia
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@uninspiredcup:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Sevastopol From 20th Century Fox

Based from true story, from eastern front WW2...

Loading Video...

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#155 mrbojangles25
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@ronvalencia: that's a great movie! I'm surprised not a lot of people have seen it.

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@mrbojangles25 said:

@ronvalencia: that's a great movie! I'm surprised not a lot of people have seen it.

Real story doesn't need SJW.

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#157 R4gn4r0k
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@davillain- said:

Those changes sounds great to me. The trailer was lackluster, but the changes and new features have a lot of potential to be a good game. What's more surprising is that Nvidia is backing this game, so I'm hoping the PC version is as good as it can be, so that's my main concern at least. As for the "woman in WW2" It's seems Dice/EA is trying to appeal to a larger type of gamers out there, the stupid Fortnite battle royal cartoon Overwatch cohort. And of course the increasing amounts of woman gamers, and political correctness of course. It's awry from the historical accurateness and the Battlefield that we used to know.

Frostbite is always developed first and foremost for PCs.

having said that though, I had Battlefront II running absolutely awful.

"It's seems Dice/EA is trying to appeal to a larger type of gamers out there, the stupid Fortnite battle royal cartoon Overwatch cohort. And of course the increasing amounts of woman gamers, and political correctness of course. It's awry from the historical accurateness and the Battlefield that we used to know."

Yeah and it's crazy because this is the ONLY thing holding this game back from greatness. It's the ONE thing that made the trailer absolutely awful.

Every change so far sounds AMAZING, and if they didn't go so overboard with the cartoony/unrealistic stuff I'd be going outside yelling to everyone they should buy this game like some mad lunatic.

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#158 R4gn4r0k
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@NFJSupreme said:

@Pedro: isn’t it funny though? OMG it’s a WOMAN. what is this the 40s?

From Wikipedia:

"World War II (often abbreviated to WWII or WW2), also known as the Second World War, was a global war that lasted from 1939 to 1945"

So I guess yeah, this game is trying to portray the 40s.

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@zaryia said:
@Pedro said:

LOL. The sight of a woman in videogames really gets to you guys.

The anti-SJWs get just as easily triggered as SJWs, its quite sad.

Yep. Look no further than PG and their damage control whenever a left leaning comedian cracks non-PC jokes (Colbert, Wolf, etc) unless it's in THEIR favor (Simpsons).

@BassMan said:

It is definitely silly and trying too hard. Women are not an accurate representation of the typical soldier of WWI or WWII. I don't mind having women soldiers in the game, but having them prominently on a splash screen is just trying to serve a bullshit agenda that we have been plagued by in recent years. I got respect for women, but I am not a fan of feminist and SJW bullshit.

BTW, it would be nice to see some actual gameplay instead of that scripted bullshit in the trailer.

Pretty sure the Nazis didn't have much women representing them either. It didn't stop Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade making one who was a prominent character in that film. God forbid we have alternate history fiction

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My main character in SF is a woman.

Massive respect for them, huge.

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#160  Edited By uninspiredcup  Online
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Mel Gibson isn't racist or antisemitic , he just got drunk. Being drunk can make you racist and/or antisemitic for a short duration.

He loves Jesus.. Even nailed the cross with his own hand, which is the hardest thing he's ever done.

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@davillain- said:

Interesting to see this is backed by Nvidia and not Radeon this time around. At least this gives me hope Battlefield V will be graphics king.

When was it not. No matter what you think about the actual game but Battlefield1 and SW:BF series were graphics juggernauts.

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@uninspiredcup said:

Mel Gibson isn't racist or antisemitic , he just got drunk. Being drunk can make you racist and/or antisemitic for a short duration.

He loves Jesus.. Even nailed the cross with his own hand, which is the hardest thing he's ever done.

Being drunk can also make you more truthful. Maybe he just got drunk and ran his mouth, or maybe he was just good at hiding his racism. I don't know either way, but I'll still watch Lethal Weapon, Mad Max and Braveheart all day.

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@bussinrounds said:
@ghosts4ever said:

I guess next brothers in arms will be only authentic WW2 game. with all male squad and based on true serious history..

Daniel Vavra needs to get on some Hidden & Dangerous 3 already. F**k all these pretenders/popamole WW2 shooters.

And yea, I'd stay away from reject era if you want to keep your sanity.

This. So much this.

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I couldn't care less how many female super soldiers they put in games but this looks like pandering which is really no better than the "token black man" in 70's movies. It all looked very forced and shoe horned in.

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#165  Edited By raugutcon
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It’s a friggin FPS, it ain’t like you moving around with your boobs blocking your view to shoot so it don’t matter if the main character is a female, your Richard isn’t going to fall for you playing as a “girl”. No season pass —> great !

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@GarGx1 said:

I couldn't care less how many female super soldiers they put in games but this looks like pandering which is really no better than the "token black man" in 70's movies. It all looked very forced and shoe horned in.

best to just let it go and see where this takes civilzation and not read morr into it.

because resistance on this will not look good pretty much no way around it

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@R4gn4r0k: I wasn’t talking about the game but the overreaction from the why are minorities in my game crowd.

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#168 ReCloud
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Amazing how women and LGBT people trigger gamers.

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#169  Edited By GarGx1
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@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:

I couldn't care less how many female super soldiers they put in games but this looks like pandering which is really no better than the "token black man" in 70's movies. It all looked very forced and shoe horned in.

best to just let it go and see where this takes civilzation and not read morr into it.

because resistance on this will not look good pretty much no way around it

Pandering is wrong, regardless of it being popular or not. EA only want the money and if they have to kiss a baboon's ass to get it, they would.

All they are doing is re-skinning a male character and getting a female voice actor to read the lines. These are not strong female characters in games, they are blokes with boobs to appease a minority of radical activists who ,ironically, don't play video games or give EA money. All they do have is a very loud screeching voice.

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#170 ReCloud
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@GarGx1: do you have any evidence to support your claims?

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#171 TryIt
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@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:

I couldn't care less how many female super soldiers they put in games but this looks like pandering which is really no better than the "token black man" in 70's movies. It all looked very forced and shoe horned in.

best to just let it go and see where this takes civilzation and not read morr into it.

because resistance on this will not look good pretty much no way around it

Pandering is wrong, regardless of it being popular or not. EA only want the money and if they have to kiss a baboon's ass to get it, they would.

All they are doing is re-skinning a male character and getting a female voice actor to read the lines. These are not strong female characters in games, they are blokes with boobs to appease a minority of radical activists who ,ironically, don't play video games or give EA money. All they do have is a very loud screeching voice.

not really something worth virtue positioning on.

you will loose a lot of political virtue points picking that battle.

try instead focusing on MeToo part and stop this path because it will lead you to 'men are victims' before too long

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#172 R4gn4r0k
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@recloud said:

Amazing how women and LGBT people trigger gamers.

Except for all those games where it doesn't, disproving your point.

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#173 TryIt
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@R4gn4r0k said:
@recloud said:

Amazing how women and LGBT people trigger gamers.

Except for all those games where it doesn't, disproving your point.

are you saying that over the past few years that there has not been a noticeable increase in female leads in games, tv and movies?

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#174 GarGx1
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@recloud sit down

@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:

I couldn't care less how many female super soldiers they put in games but this looks like pandering which is really no better than the "token black man" in 70's movies. It all looked very forced and shoe horned in.

best to just let it go and see where this takes civilzation and not read morr into it.

because resistance on this will not look good pretty much no way around it

Pandering is wrong, regardless of it being popular or not. EA only want the money and if they have to kiss a baboon's ass to get it, they would.

All they are doing is re-skinning a male character and getting a female voice actor to read the lines. These are not strong female characters in games, they are blokes with boobs to appease a minority of radical activists who ,ironically, don't play video games or give EA money. All they do have is a very loud screeching voice.

not really something worth virtue positioning on.

you will loose a lot of political virtue points picking that battle.

try instead focusing on MeToo part and stop this path because it will lead you to 'men are victims' before too long

Like I give a flying f*ck about "political virtue points". What you're saying is don't express your point of view because it may upset some SJW nutters who think men and women are exactly the same, simply because they don't have a realistic grasp on the genetic differences between the two human genders.

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#175 R4gn4r0k
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@tryit said:
@R4gn4r0k said:
@recloud said:

Amazing how women and LGBT people trigger gamers.

Except for all those games where it doesn't, disproving your point.

are you saying that over the past few years that there has not been a noticeable increase in female leads in games, tv and movies?

What does that have to do with recloud's point ?

And honestly I don't know or care. I don't have some empirical data to answer your question.

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@GarGx1 said:

@recloud sit down

@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:

I couldn't care less how many female super soldiers they put in games but this looks like pandering which is really no better than the "token black man" in 70's movies. It all looked very forced and shoe horned in.

best to just let it go and see where this takes civilzation and not read morr into it.

because resistance on this will not look good pretty much no way around it

Pandering is wrong, regardless of it being popular or not. EA only want the money and if they have to kiss a baboon's ass to get it, they would.

All they are doing is re-skinning a male character and getting a female voice actor to read the lines. These are not strong female characters in games, they are blokes with boobs to appease a minority of radical activists who ,ironically, don't play video games or give EA money. All they do have is a very loud screeching voice.

not really something worth virtue positioning on.

you will loose a lot of political virtue points picking that battle.

try instead focusing on MeToo part and stop this path because it will lead you to 'men are victims' before too long

Like I give a flying f*ck about "political virtue points". What you're saying is don't express your point of view because it may upset some SJW nutters who think men and women are exactly the same, simply because they don't have a realistic grasp on the genetic differences between the two human genders.

I am saying you considering this topic more important than lets say MeToo which I am willing to bet you do,

tells me all i need to know.

but believe me when I say this, BECAUSE of people like yourself is the REASON these things are happening

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#177 TryIt
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@R4gn4r0k said:
@tryit said:
@R4gn4r0k said:
@recloud said:

Amazing how women and LGBT people trigger gamers.

Except for all those games where it doesn't, disproving your point.

are you saying that over the past few years that there has not been a noticeable increase in female leads in games, tv and movies?

What does that have to do with recloud's point ?

And honestly I don't know or care. I don't have some empirical data to answer your question.

so I take that as a no?

no you do not think that over the past few years there has been an increase in female leads in TV, Movies and Games.

I am pretty sure the reason for it is 100% because of reactions similar to that of Gamergate.

so the more they push, the more we win.

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@speedfreak48t5p said:

Looking at YouTube comments for the trailer was a mistake.

Was it something along the lines of "SJW" in all-caps and then someone rolling their face all over the keyboard?

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@PraetorianMan said:
@speedfreak48t5p said:

Looking at YouTube comments for the trailer was a mistake.

Was it something along the lines of "SJW" in all-caps and then someone rolling their face all over the keyboard?

There was a lot of that, yes.

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#180 GarGx1
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@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:

@recloud sit down

@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:

best to just let it go and see where this takes civilzation and not read morr into it.

because resistance on this will not look good pretty much no way around it

Pandering is wrong, regardless of it being popular or not. EA only want the money and if they have to kiss a baboon's ass to get it, they would.

All they are doing is re-skinning a male character and getting a female voice actor to read the lines. These are not strong female characters in games, they are blokes with boobs to appease a minority of radical activists who ,ironically, don't play video games or give EA money. All they do have is a very loud screeching voice.

not really something worth virtue positioning on.

you will loose a lot of political virtue points picking that battle.

try instead focusing on MeToo part and stop this path because it will lead you to 'men are victims' before too long

Like I give a flying f*ck about "political virtue points". What you're saying is don't express your point of view because it may upset some SJW nutters who think men and women are exactly the same, simply because they don't have a realistic grasp on the genetic differences between the two human genders.

I am saying you considering this topic more important than lets say MeToo which I am willing to bet you do,

tells me all i need to know.

but believe me when I say this, BECAUSE of people like yourself is the REASON these things are happening

What exactly do you mean by "people like me"? You know diddly squat about me, who I am or what I believe and don't believe.

What I will tell you though is that I have no time for fools and anyone who thinks EA is being "progressive" is a fool, they are pandering to a noisy U.S. college minority because they think they'll make more money. If EA wanted to be "progressive" they would make female characters that actually draw in female gamers and Battlefield is certainly not one of them, even if they have the option to play a bloke with boobs. I'm not saying girls don't play and enjoy battlefield, something they are more than welcome to do, but they are certainly few and far between, in comparison to the number of males who play it.

Women are women and men are men and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Stop trying to make being different a bad thing.

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#181 TryIt
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@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:

@recloud sit down

@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:

Pandering is wrong, regardless of it being popular or not. EA only want the money and if they have to kiss a baboon's ass to get it, they would.

All they are doing is re-skinning a male character and getting a female voice actor to read the lines. These are not strong female characters in games, they are blokes with boobs to appease a minority of radical activists who ,ironically, don't play video games or give EA money. All they do have is a very loud screeching voice.

not really something worth virtue positioning on.

you will loose a lot of political virtue points picking that battle.

try instead focusing on MeToo part and stop this path because it will lead you to 'men are victims' before too long

Like I give a flying f*ck about "political virtue points". What you're saying is don't express your point of view because it may upset some SJW nutters who think men and women are exactly the same, simply because they don't have a realistic grasp on the genetic differences between the two human genders.

I am saying you considering this topic more important than lets say MeToo which I am willing to bet you do,

tells me all i need to know.

but believe me when I say this, BECAUSE of people like yourself is the REASON these things are happening

What exactly do you mean by "people like me"? You know diddly squat about me, who I am or what I believe and don't believe.

What I will tell you though is that I have no time for fools and anyone who thinks EA is being "progressive" is a fool, they are pandering to a noisy U.S. college minority because they think they'll make more money. If EA wanted to be "progressive" they would make female characters that actually draw in female gamers and Battlefield is certainly not one of them, even if they have the option to play a bloke with boobs. I'm not saying girls don't play and enjoy battlefield, something they are more than welcome to do, but they are certainly few and far between, in comparison to the number of males who play it.

Women are women and men are men and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Stop trying to make being different a bad thing.

I know much more than you think, because of experience.

your tone in your reply tells me everything I need to know,

again...the more 'people like you' push the more 'we' win, pretend like you dont know what I mean.

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#182 GarGx1
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@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:

@recloud sit down

@tryit said:

not really something worth virtue positioning on.

you will loose a lot of political virtue points picking that battle.

try instead focusing on MeToo part and stop this path because it will lead you to 'men are victims' before too long

Like I give a flying f*ck about "political virtue points". What you're saying is don't express your point of view because it may upset some SJW nutters who think men and women are exactly the same, simply because they don't have a realistic grasp on the genetic differences between the two human genders.

I am saying you considering this topic more important than lets say MeToo which I am willing to bet you do,

tells me all i need to know.

but believe me when I say this, BECAUSE of people like yourself is the REASON these things are happening

What exactly do you mean by "people like me"? You know diddly squat about me, who I am or what I believe and don't believe.

What I will tell you though is that I have no time for fools and anyone who thinks EA is being "progressive" is a fool, they are pandering to a noisy U.S. college minority because they think they'll make more money. If EA wanted to be "progressive" they would make female characters that actually draw in female gamers and Battlefield is certainly not one of them, even if they have the option to play a bloke with boobs. I'm not saying girls don't play and enjoy battlefield, something they are more than welcome to do, but they are certainly few and far between, in comparison to the number of males who play it.

Women are women and men are men and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Stop trying to make being different a bad thing.

I know much more than you think, because of experience.

your tone in your reply tells me everything I need to know,

again...the more 'people like you' push the more 'we' win, pretend like you dont know what I mean.

Elaborate. I'm waiting.

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#183 TryIt
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@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:

@recloud sit down

Like I give a flying f*ck about "political virtue points". What you're saying is don't express your point of view because it may upset some SJW nutters who think men and women are exactly the same, simply because they don't have a realistic grasp on the genetic differences between the two human genders.

I am saying you considering this topic more important than lets say MeToo which I am willing to bet you do,

tells me all i need to know.

but believe me when I say this, BECAUSE of people like yourself is the REASON these things are happening

What exactly do you mean by "people like me"? You know diddly squat about me, who I am or what I believe and don't believe.

What I will tell you though is that I have no time for fools and anyone who thinks EA is being "progressive" is a fool, they are pandering to a noisy U.S. college minority because they think they'll make more money. If EA wanted to be "progressive" they would make female characters that actually draw in female gamers and Battlefield is certainly not one of them, even if they have the option to play a bloke with boobs. I'm not saying girls don't play and enjoy battlefield, something they are more than welcome to do, but they are certainly few and far between, in comparison to the number of males who play it.

Women are women and men are men and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Stop trying to make being different a bad thing.

I know much more than you think, because of experience.

your tone in your reply tells me everything I need to know,

again...the more 'people like you' push the more 'we' win, pretend like you dont know what I mean.

Elaborate. I'm waiting.

there has clearly been a rise in female leads in TV, Movies and in games.

It is very clear to me that this started happening nearly exactly after gamergate.

it appears the more people throw complete fits over a woman being a lead, the more these media companies will do it.

understand?

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#184 BassMan
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@GarGx1: I am with you brother. This try hard SJW inclusiveness bullshit is so forced and ridiculous. Women in games is a good thing, but not if it is forced and out of place.

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#185 TryIt
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@BassMan said:

@GarGx1: I am with you brother. This try hard SJW inclusiveness bullshit is so forced and ridiculous. Women in games is a good thing, but not if it is forced and out of place.

the only people in this story who are SJW are people who are outraged over female leads.

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#186 BassMan
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@tryit said:
@BassMan said:

@GarGx1: I am with you brother. This try hard SJW inclusiveness bullshit is so forced and ridiculous. Women in games is a good thing, but not if it is forced and out of place.

the only people in this story who are SJW are people who are outraged over female leads.

Honestly, the whole reveal was trash. Everything was over the top. The ridiculous action, customized outfits, robot arm, etc... I was not impressed.

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#187 GarGx1
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@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:

Elaborate. I'm waiting.

there has clearly been a rise in female leads in TV, Movies and in games.

It is very clear to me that this started happening nearly exactly after gamergate.

it appears the more people throw complete fits over a woman being a lead, the more these media companies will do it.

understand?

Yup, you know absolutely nothing about me, nor do you have any comprehension about what I'm saying. Actually try reading my posts.

I'll repeat for you in simpler language.

I'm saying is that they can put as many female characters in games as they want, it does not bother me in the slightest, I don't care what gender a player character is.

However, EA are simply trying look like "good guys" with this poorly disguised marketing gimmick and you're falling for it hand over fist. This is not "equality" nor is it empowering for women. Making masculine female characters is not something the majority of female gamers I've known want. I've been gaming a long, long time and have many female gamer friends from lots of different games, including FPS's but mostly MMO's, not a single one of them actually wants to play a hard assed man and a hard assed man in a girl costume is no better, in fact it's insulting. Not as insulting as people who think EA are being all progressive though.

Understand?

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#188 TryIt
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@BassMan said:
@tryit said:
@BassMan said:

@GarGx1: I am with you brother. This try hard SJW inclusiveness bullshit is so forced and ridiculous. Women in games is a good thing, but not if it is forced and out of place.

the only people in this story who are SJW are people who are outraged over female leads.

Honestly, the whole reveal was trash. Everything was over the top. The ridiculous action, customized outfits, robot arm, etc... I was not impressed.

likely done by the developer to make women look bad, misogynist and all

;)

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#189  Edited By TryIt
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@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:

Elaborate. I'm waiting.

there has clearly been a rise in female leads in TV, Movies and in games.

It is very clear to me that this started happening nearly exactly after gamergate.

it appears the more people throw complete fits over a woman being a lead, the more these media companies will do it.

understand?

Yup, you know absolutely nothing about me, nor do you have any comprehension about what I'm saying. Actually try reading my posts.

I'll repeat for you in simpler language.

I'm saying is that they can put as many female characters in games as they want, it does not bother me in the slightest, I don't care what gender a player character is.

However, EA are simply trying look like "good guys" with this poorly disguised marketing gimmick and you're falling for it hand over fist. This is not "equality" nor is it empowering for women. Making masculine female characters is not something the majority of female gamers I've known want. I've been gaming a long, long time and have many female gamer friends from lots of different games, including FPS's but mostly MMO's, not a single one of them actually wants to play a hard assed man and a hard assed man in a girl costume is no better, in fact it's insulting. Not as insulting as people who think EA are being all progressive though.

Understand?

DUDE!

read this part very closely

you

have

no

idea

why

they

put

in

a

female

lead

you are projecting and assuming. You are saying 'I have no problem if they put in a female lead (which they just did) but you dont like it because they did it for X reason'

problem is...YOU DONT KNOW WHY THEY DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what is the difference between this female lead and Lara Croft?

NOTHING...only the ASSUMPTION it was done for some agenda.

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#190 GarGx1
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@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:

Elaborate. I'm waiting.

there has clearly been a rise in female leads in TV, Movies and in games.

It is very clear to me that this started happening nearly exactly after gamergate.

it appears the more people throw complete fits over a woman being a lead, the more these media companies will do it.

understand?

Yup, you know absolutely nothing about me, nor do you have any comprehension about what I'm saying. Actually try reading my posts.

I'll repeat for you in simpler language.

I'm saying is that they can put as many female characters in games as they want, it does not bother me in the slightest, I don't care what gender a player character is.

However, EA are simply trying look like "good guys" with this poorly disguised marketing gimmick and you're falling for it hand over fist. This is not "equality" nor is it empowering for women. Making masculine female characters is not something the majority of female gamers I've known want. I've been gaming a long, long time and have many female gamer friends from lots of different games, including FPS's but mostly MMO's, not a single one of them actually wants to play a hard assed man and a hard assed man in a girl costume is no better, in fact it's insulting. Not as insulting as people who think EA are being all progressive though.

Understand?

DUDE!

read this part very closely

you

have

no

idea

why

they

put

in

a

female

lead

you are projecting and assuming. You are saying 'I have no problem if they put in a female lead (which they just did) but you dont like it because they did it for X reason'

problem is...YOU DONT KNOW WHY THEY DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what is the difference between this female lead and Lara Croft?

NOTHING...only the ASSUMPTION it was done for some agenda.

That's not a lead, that's an optional, almost definitely customisable, player character in a multiplayer, likely co-op, scripted trailer. "She's" also a re-skinned bloke and the reasons are entirely transparent, it's EA not something complex and world shifting.

The agenda is "lets try and lose some of the bad guy image and make more money from drones who think we're on their side"

Get over yourself.

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#192  Edited By BassMan
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@Wasdie: I agree with what you are saying. From what I have seen, it is definitely straying away from past BF games. It is adding elements that are making it ridiculous like Fortnite or something. I have no interest in Fortnite and I don't want that shit ruining BF.

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#193 ReCloud
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@GarGx1: Still waiting for your evidence.

You're clearly triggered by women in leading roles. Why? Why are you so afraid of women?

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#194 ReCloud
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@tryit: You're right on point. These conservatives and insecure gamers can't see a inclusive character in games that they go like "MUH PANDERING".

So what? I'm gay, I buy a LOT of games, why can't I have a leading gay character? A lot of gay people play games and the developers are starting to notice that.

They're noticing that there are a lot of women that are gamers.

No, it's NOT pandering, it's just the developers trying to appease or making their user base identify themselves with the characters of their games.

You conservatives should GTFO of gaming, because this is only going to get worse and worse for you.

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#195 Rovelius
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Looks okay to me. I just wish they expanded their horizon a little and moved away from typical war settings. I'd love a new futuristic BF game, or even medieval.

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#196 ReCloud
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Why it doesnt surprise me that two of the most hateful hermits on this board are two of the people with more conservative minds and that say everything is pandering but dont have any piece of evidence to prove their points? Still waiting...

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#197 nomadic8280
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I think it’s the tackiness of forcing women as lead roles in settings wherein women were not likely to be in such roles that comes off as pandering. AND it’s almost like it’s done on purpose, knowing that it’s blatant and would be irritating for many people to stir shit up, cause controversy, generate buzz.

Like I said, if they set it in modern times, or the future, there would be absolutely no controversy because women are in combat roles today and will be tomorrow. But that doesn’t stir the pot, does it?

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#198 ReCloud
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@nomadic8280: This is fiction, it doesn't necessarily have to be accurate, isn't that what you people say about Lara Croft? That she can be sexy because she's not a real woman?

And WTF, so in which universe would you think you'd see a man with a huge sword killing monsters like in JRPGs? That's really unlikely to happen as MONSTERS don't exist.

So, no, nothing forced about that. It's an artistic and design choice. You don't like it? Don't buy it.

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#199 TryIt
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@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:

Elaborate. I'm waiting.

there has clearly been a rise in female leads in TV, Movies and in games.

It is very clear to me that this started happening nearly exactly after gamergate.

it appears the more people throw complete fits over a woman being a lead, the more these media companies will do it.

understand?

Yup, you know absolutely nothing about me, nor do you have any comprehension about what I'm saying. Actually try reading my posts.

I'll repeat for you in simpler language.

I'm saying is that they can put as many female characters in games as they want, it does not bother me in the slightest, I don't care what gender a player character is.

However, EA are simply trying look like "good guys" with this poorly disguised marketing gimmick and you're falling for it hand over fist. This is not "equality" nor is it empowering for women. Making masculine female characters is not something the majority of female gamers I've known want. I've been gaming a long, long time and have many female gamer friends from lots of different games, including FPS's but mostly MMO's, not a single one of them actually wants to play a hard assed man and a hard assed man in a girl costume is no better, in fact it's insulting. Not as insulting as people who think EA are being all progressive though.

Understand?

DUDE!

read this part very closely

you

have

no

idea

why

they

put

in

a

female

lead

you are projecting and assuming. You are saying 'I have no problem if they put in a female lead (which they just did) but you dont like it because they did it for X reason'

problem is...YOU DONT KNOW WHY THEY DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what is the difference between this female lead and Lara Croft?

NOTHING...only the ASSUMPTION it was done for some agenda.

That's not a lead, that's an optional, almost definitely customisable, player character in a multiplayer, likely co-op, scripted trailer. "She's" also a re-skinned bloke and the reasons are entirely transparent, it's EA not something complex and world shifting.

The agenda is "lets try and lose some of the bad guy image and make more money from drones who think we're on their side"

Get over yourself.

is that very seriously the best response you can come up with?

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#200  Edited By GarGx1
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@recloud said:

@GarGx1: Still waiting for your evidence.

You're clearly triggered by women in leading roles. Why? Why are you so afraid of women?

No you're just not someone worthy of having a discussion with tonight.

@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:
@GarGx1 said:
@tryit said:

there has clearly been a rise in female leads in TV, Movies and in games.

It is very clear to me that this started happening nearly exactly after gamergate.

it appears the more people throw complete fits over a woman being a lead, the more these media companies will do it.

understand?

Yup, you know absolutely nothing about me, nor do you have any comprehension about what I'm saying. Actually try reading my posts.

I'll repeat for you in simpler language.

I'm saying is that they can put as many female characters in games as they want, it does not bother me in the slightest, I don't care what gender a player character is.

However, EA are simply trying look like "good guys" with this poorly disguised marketing gimmick and you're falling for it hand over fist. This is not "equality" nor is it empowering for women. Making masculine female characters is not something the majority of female gamers I've known want. I've been gaming a long, long time and have many female gamer friends from lots of different games, including FPS's but mostly MMO's, not a single one of them actually wants to play a hard assed man and a hard assed man in a girl costume is no better, in fact it's insulting. Not as insulting as people who think EA are being all progressive though.

Understand?

DUDE!

read this part very closely

you

have

no

idea

why

they

put

in

a

female

lead

you are projecting and assuming. You are saying 'I have no problem if they put in a female lead (which they just did) but you dont like it because they did it for X reason'

problem is...YOU DONT KNOW WHY THEY DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what is the difference between this female lead and Lara Croft?

NOTHING...only the ASSUMPTION it was done for some agenda.

That's not a lead, that's an optional, almost definitely customisable, player character in a multiplayer, likely co-op, scripted trailer. "She's" also a re-skinned bloke and the reasons are entirely transparent, it's EA not something complex and world shifting.

The agenda is "lets try and lose some of the bad guy image and make more money from drones who think we're on their side"

Get over yourself.

is that very seriously the best response you can come up with?

Good enough to stop you in your tracks it seems.