Bayonetta 2: Developers Explain Why They Sided With Nintendo

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="campzor"]having platinum games close to nintendo is a very good move for both partiesPSP107

It could be bad for gamers though...

No I am referring to Nintendo's history of not caring too much if non-1st party titles make it overseas or not....

We haven't got either of the two Fatal Frame games released since Ninty took over, over here in the States yet...

Also, it took how much crying on the internet to get them to bring over those two highly regarded Wii RPG's that came out a bit ago? It was Xenoblade and something else I think...

Ninty also loves holding onto exclusitivity, so the game might not ever reach other consoles which will keep it out of the hands of some gamers.

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

It could be bad for gamers though...

LostProphetFLCL

No I am referring to Nintendo's history of not caring too much if non-1st party titles make it overseas or not....

We haven't got either of the two Fatal Frame games released since Ninty took over, over here in the States yet...

Also, it took how much crying on the internet to get them to bring over those two highly regarded Wii RPG's that came out a bit ago? It was Xenoblade and something else I think...

Ninty also loves holding onto exclusitivity, so the game might not ever reach other consoles which will keep it out of the hands of some gamers.

Hey, at least Nintendo caved in and localized Xenoblade and Last Story.

Seriously Nintendo isn't the only one to blame here.

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

It could be bad for gamers though...

LostProphetFLCL

No I am referring to Nintendo's history of not caring too much if non-1st party titles make it overseas or not....

We haven't got either of the two Fatal Frame games released since Ninty took over, over here in the States yet...

Also, it took how much crying on the internet to get them to bring over those two highly regarded Wii RPG's that came out a bit ago? It was Xenoblade and something else I think...

Ninty also loves holding onto exclusitivity, so the game might not ever reach other consoles which will keep it out of the hands of some gamers.

Bayonetta 2, which was pretty much announced at the US Hype Confrenece......

>Not Coming to the US

seriously?

Wow, people are still pining over this? Nobody even cared about the game until it was announced...

So.......If you're trying to "grow the Bayonetta brand" and "allow more gamers to experience it", then why in the hell would you make it exclusive to a new console that no one owns? To me, this was just PR talk, trying to disguise the real fact: Nintendo gave us $$$.Plagueless

It seems like no one else would give them money or publish it. What else could they do exactly? leave an ''I assume'' nearly finished product sitting there doing nothing?

So.......If you're trying to "grow the Bayonetta brand" and "allow more gamers to experience it", then why in the hell would you make it exclusive to a new console that no one owns? To me, this was just PR talk, trying to disguise the real fact: Nintendo gave us $$$.Plagueless

1. Do not create the game
2. Create the game exclusively for Nintendo

These are theonlyknown remedies to Platinum Games' dilemma. You certainly aren't going to grow the brand by not creating a brand.

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]So.......If you're trying to "grow the Bayonetta brand" and "allow more gamers to experience it", then why in the hell would you make it exclusive to a new console that no one owns? To me, this was just PR talk, trying to disguise the real fact: Nintendo gave us $$$.Wild_man_22

It seems like no one else would give them money or publish it. What else could they do exactly? leave an ''I assume'' nearly finished product sitting there doing nothing?

[QUOTE="Wild_man_22"]

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]So.......If you're trying to "grow the Bayonetta brand" and "allow more gamers to experience it", then why in the hell would you make it exclusive to a new console that no one owns? To me, this was just PR talk, trying to disguise the real fact: Nintendo gave us $$$.PSP107

It seems like no one else would give them money or publish it. What else could they do exactly? leave an ''I assume'' nearly finished product sitting there doing nothing?

huh?

[QUOTE="Wild_man_22"]

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]So.......If you're trying to "grow the Bayonetta brand" and "allow more gamers to experience it", then why in the hell would you make it exclusive to a new console that no one owns? To me, this was just PR talk, trying to disguise the real fact: Nintendo gave us $$$.PSP107

It seems like no one else would give them money or publish it. What else could they do exactly? leave an ''I assume'' nearly finished product sitting there doing nothing?

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="Wild_man_22"]

It seems like no one else would give them money or publish it. What else could they do exactly? leave an ''I assume'' nearly finished product sitting there doing nothing?

yoshi_64

http://www.gamespot.com/news/sega-canceling-games-restructuring-business-6369032

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="PSP107"] The 1st game was a sales flop?Vaasman

http://www.gamespot.com/news/sega-canceling-games-restructuring-business-6369032

Not to mention, the game was reported to be cancelled before Nintendo made the announcement, so it really does make you think.

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="Wild_man_22"]

It seems like no one else would give them money or publish it. What else could they do exactly? leave an ''I assume'' nearly finished product sitting there doing nothing?

huh?

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]So.......If you're trying to "grow the Bayonetta brand" and "allow more gamers to experience it", then why in the hell would you make it exclusive to a new console that no one owns? To me, this was just PR talk, trying to disguise the real fact: Nintendo gave us $$$.miso870

Sega Canceled the game back in March - Apirl.

and gamers were sad.

[QUOTE="miso870"][QUOTE="Plagueless"]So.......If you're trying to "grow the Bayonetta brand" and "allow more gamers to experience it", then why in the hell would you make it exclusive to a new console that no one owns? To me, this was just PR talk, trying to disguise the real fact: Nintendo gave us $$$.LegatoSkyheart

Sega Canceled the game back in March - Apirl.

and gamers were sad.

You do understand what a rumor is, right? Like I said, Sega isn't that stupid to actually cancel the game. miso870

and Sega Confirmed that they had canceled Bayonetta 2 before.

Pretty sure it had to do with Sega's Financial troubles and Platinum being given Metal Gear Rising.

Sega would have been stupid to fund a game with no funds.

You do understand what a rumor is, right? Like I said, Sega isn't that stupid to actually cancel the game. miso870

They cancelled a number of titles, which Sega never specified. This was due to losses amounting to 7 billion Yen, the majority of which was from their streamlining.

You are battling a "rumour" with assumptions. At the end of the day, it's been picked up by Nintendo with the help of Sega.

[QUOTE="miso870"] You do understand what a rumor is, right? Like I said, Sega isn't that stupid to actually cancel the game. LegatoSkyheart

and Sega Confirmed that they had canceled Bayonetta 2 before.

Pretty sure it had to do with Sega's Financial troubles and Platinum being given Metal Gear Rising.

Sega would have been stupid to fund a game with no funds.

[QUOTE="miso870"][QUOTE="Plagueless"]So.......If you're trying to "grow the Bayonetta brand" and "allow more gamers to experience it", then why in the hell would you make it exclusive to a new console that no one owns? To me, this was just PR talk, trying to disguise the real fact: Nintendo gave us $$$.LegatoSkyheart

Sega Canceled the game back in March - Apirl.

and gamers were sad.

Sega didn't confirm anything. miso870

then explain why the game is being Published by Nintendo?

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]The first game DID flop in sales though, and didn't do well for Sega, which is why they didn't want to publish the second game, so without Nintendo, they probably wouldn't have a second game. Nintendo picked it up, and Platinum Games obliged to their offering, which thus lead to the development of B2. Who cares now at this point? Nintendo stepped in, and this is business after all. If someone else would have ponied up, they might have seen B2 released on all systems, but they didn't, and we won't be. nintendoboy16

http://www.gamespot.com/news/sega-canceling-games-restructuring-business-6369032

Not to mention, the game was reported to be cancelled before Nintendo made the announcement, so it really does make you think.

[QUOTE="miso870"] Sega didn't confirm anything. LegatoSkyheart

then explain why the game is being Published by Nintendo?

Meh. I don't fux with Bayonetta, not my thing even slightly. Vanquish 2, now that'd get me excited.

Meh. I don't fux with Bayonetta, not my thing even slightly. Vanquish 2, now that'd get me excited.

psn8214

Bu bu but Bayonetta is Sexy :oops:

Bu bu but Bayonetta is Sexy :oops:

Wiiyou

Heeeeeeelll no son! Don't get me wrong, I dig a girl that can pull off the glasses, but Bayonetta be fugly. Besides, sexiness of the main character plays no role in whether or not I purchase a game. :P

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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Except that's not true, the game managed to sell almost 2 million copies, on a new IP. That's not a flop by any stretch. It has much more to do with Sega's current finances, which is to say, they don't have any finances. They scrapped several other games besides Bayonetta 2 and are restructuring the company.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/sega-canceling-games-restructuring-business-6369032

Vaasman

Not to mention, the game was reported to be cancelled before Nintendo made the announcement, so it really does make you think.

like Ea said many muliplats need to push 4-5 million copies to break even....dev cost is that high

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="miso870"] Sega didn't confirm anything. miso870

then explain why the game is being Published by Nintendo?

[QUOTE="miso870"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

then explain why the game is being Published by Nintendo?

LegatoSkyheart

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]You realize that SEGA was likely expecting more than two million, right?

Not to mention, the game was reported to be cancelled before Nintendo made the announcement, so it really does make you think.

like Ea said many muliplats need to push 4-5 million copies to break even....dev cost is that high

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]I absolutely refuse to believe any publisher could expect anything above a million for such a niche action game. No I'll go ahead and stick to what I said. Sega's restructuring meant canceling a lot of games.

PSP107

like Ea said many muliplats need to push 4-5 million copies to break even....dev cost is that high

If the budget is 100 Million like GTAIV they only have to sell 1.7 Million to break even at $60.

I don't really understand what everyone is raging for. This is the nature of gaming, its a business. If you are a Bayonetta fan then research more into the WiiU and see if there is other things you may find appealing. Then if its a yes get the system. You buy a system to play games after all so avoiding to buy a system because of some sort of reason that isn't money or games is sort of really dumb.

I don't really understand what everyone is raging for. This is the nature of gaming, its a business. If you are a Bayonetta fan then research more into the WiiU and see if there is other things you may find appealing. Then if its a yes get the system. You buy a system to play games after all so avoiding to buy a system because of some sort of reason that isn't money or games is sort of really dumb.

ActicEdge

If they get the Basic edition they should look and see if they have 5 games that interest them.

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

like Ea said many muliplats need to push 4-5 million copies to break even....dev cost is that high

Nintendo_Ownes7

If the budget is 100 Million like GTAIV they only have to sell 1.7 Million to break even at $60.

thats a big misconception devs dont get 60, they probably get around 50% of that.

stores dont sell games for free and devs get all the money they make a deal and contract

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"] 4-5 million? Mario1331

If the budget is 100 Million like GTAIV they only have to sell 1.7 Million to break even at $60.

thats a big misconception devs dont get 60, they probably get around 50% of that.

stores dont sell games for free and devs get all the money they make a deal and contract

If they do get 100% of the game price profit they would need that much to break even.

But don't they publishers get money from selling it to the retailers. The retailers then get there profits from selling the actual game. I could be and probably am wrong.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]I have no idea.

If the budget is 100 Million like GTAIV they only have to sell 1.7 Million to break even at $60.

Nintendo_Ownes7

thats a big misconception devs dont get 60, they probably get around 50% of that.

stores dont sell games for free and devs get all the money they make a deal and contract

If they do get 100% of the game price profit they would need that much to break even.

But don't they publishers get money from selling it to the retailers. The retailers then get there profits from selling the actual game. I could be and probably am wrong.

your right in a sense publishers have a contract with devs, if im not mistaken publishers get more money then the devs. however the publishers handle everything(packing cds,marketing,etc). then the publishers make another deal with the retail stores selling them games in mostly wholesale, retails buy it from them for about 40-50 dollars per copy(if you estimate it) and they sell it for 60 so retailers could get some profit out of it.

thus preowned gaming was born and if you ever worked in a retail store the boxes that you get are usually wrapped in sets.

all the prices are estimation i dont know how much they sell what for or how much retail gets but i know devs probably get around 50% of it. and thats being generous