Bioshock Discussion Thread - 9.0! (Unstickied now)

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"]Can you turn off the quest arrow in the 360 version? You can in the PC version, if there is such an option in the 360 version then I fail to see why it's a legitimate criticism.CaseyWegner

is it off by default on the full game?

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"]Can you turn off the quest arrow in the 360 version? You can in the PC version, if there is such an option in the 360 version then I fail to see why it's a legitimate criticism.CaseyWegner

is it off by default on the full game?

nah , it's on by default , but can be take off .

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"]Can you turn off the quest arrow in the 360 version? You can in the PC version, if there is such an option in the 360 version then I fail to see why it's a legitimate criticism.CaseyWegner

is it off by default on the full game?

In my game it was on by default, but it can be turned off.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

Majority of who?

smokeydabear076

participants.

Link?

95 votes for AAA only 27 AA and 10 AAAA

Thanks, but that's confusing. Casey said it's unofficial. But yet it's official. This forum is going downhill when we can't even know what the difference between official and unoffical is.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

Majority of who?

CaseyWegner

participants.

Link?

what did i tell you? :|

oh good. somebody else linked it.

You must be confusing that link with the "unofficial" post you were referring to earlier. So if it's official then why can't it be linked in the intial post? If it's unofficial it doesn't count.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

Majority of who?

CaseyWegner

participants.

Link?

what did i tell you? :|

oh good. somebody else linked it.

You must be confusing that link with the "unofficial" post you were referring to earlier. So if it's official then why can't it be linked in the intial post? If it's unofficial it doesn't count.

You must be confusing that link with the "unofficial" post you were referring to earlier. So if it's official then why can't it be linked in the intial post? If it's unofficial it doesn't count.

mikasa

i told you it's not official. wth? are you trying to say that hype only counts if it's spread out and not consolidated?

http://kotaku.com/gaming/shortscreened/bioshocks-widescreen-pissing-people-off-291697.php

Seems like the widescreen mode cuts the top and the bottom off making it harder to see things

GarchomPro

If true it should be knocked down to an 8.5 as that's just plain wrong!

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

You must be confusing that link with the "unofficial" post you were referring to earlier. So if it's official then why can't it be linked in the intial post? If it's unofficial it doesn't count.

CaseyWegner

i told you it's not official. wth? are you trying to say that hype only counts if it's spread out and not consolidated?

What I'm trying to say is next time a big name game like this come around do an Official Hype thread and then we'll have it.

Hint: Halo3 & MP3

Besides Lair Hype was all over the place but the official thread had it at AA. So give the bioshock guys an official thread like Lair so we don't have to worry about what the extremes say.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"]Can you turn off the quest arrow in the 360 version? You can in the PC version, if there is such an option in the 360 version then I fail to see why it's a legitimate criticism.Chaos_HL21

is it off by default on the full game?

In my game it was on by default, but it can be turned off.

I wonder if there's a profile setup that enables and disables such things by default. Like invert controller does.

What I'm trying to say is next time a big name game like this come around do an Official Hype thread and then we'll have it.

Hint: Halo3 & MP3

Besides Lair Hype was all over the place but the official thread had it at AA. So give the bioshock guys an official thread like Lair so we don't have to worry about what the extremes say.

mikasa

there was a hype thread for mp3 and the hype was AAA. bioshock is multiplat so it didn't get one.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

What I'm trying to say is next time a big name game like this come around do an Official Hype thread and then we'll have it.

Hint: Halo3 & MP3

Besides Lair Hype was all over the place but the official thread had it at AA. So give the bioshock guys an official thread like Lair so we don't have to worry about what the extremes say.

CaseyWegner

there was a hype thread for mp3 and the hype was AAA. bioshock is multiplat so it didn't get one.

Well if it doesn't get an official hype thread I guess we really can't say what the officila hype was now can we? we can guess, but nothing official.

How about Halo3? Will we have to guess at that one as well?

Hmmm, its still a good score, but I thought it deserves more. O well

I hope the PC version of Bioshock sells well, because I managed to snag a copy up a couple hours ago with no pre-order from Gamestop, and they had quite a few left too. I was going to download it by Steam but forgot to set it to dl last night and decided to just randomly call Gamestop, and they, surprisingly at the time, had copies in stock. I also stopped by Best Buy for a couple things and they had a few copies of the PC version there too. The 360 version has flown off the shelves, though.

I haven't actually booted the game up yet, but it sucks to hear about the lack of widescreen support. If it's just an FOV issue like some are thinking, then it's probably easily fixable. Still, how do you overlook something like that in this day and age? Bioshock is kinda strange technically. It's this fantastic, otherwise cutting-edge game, that features no widescreen support and no support for even forcing anti-aliasing. Those are two of the most basic and common features in PC games these days, and the widescreen thing apparently impacts the 360 version too. What was Irrational thinking there? I hope these issues are remedied, especially the lack of widescreen support which is pretty serious.

Another overrated 360 game.DaysAirlines

But still better than any PS3 game.

Well if it doesn't get an official hype thread I guess we really can't say what the officila hype was now can we? we can guess, but nothing official.

How about Halo3? Will we have to guess at that one as well?

mikasa

official hype is whatever the majority hype is. the majority, as shown by that link, is AAA.

halo 3 is exclusive. :|

Does Halo 3 really need a hype thread to work out it has AAA hype.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

Well if it doesn't get an official hype thread I guess we really can't say what the officila hype was now can we? we can guess, but nothing official.

How about Halo3? Will we have to guess at that one as well?

CaseyWegner

official hype is whatever the majority hype is. the majority, as shown by that link, is AAA.

halo 3 is exclusive. :|

Yes as of today Halo3 is exclusive. Quit trying to trump up the PC more than what it is and making announcments that don't exist. Link saying Halo3 is NOT exclusive?

And so what does that make Lair official hype? I know the official thread said AA, but there was much more random hype in all the posts claiming it was AAA BEFORE teh first reviews started hitting the street. So which is it?

I hope the PC version of Bioshock sells well, because I managed to snag a copy up a couple hours ago with no pre-order from Gamestop, and they had quite a few left too. I was going to download it by Steam but forgot to set it to dl last night and decided to just randomly call Gamestop, and they, surprisingly at the time, had copies in stock. I also stopped by Best Buy for a couple things and they had a few copies of the PC version there too. The 360 version has flown off the shelves, though.

I haven't actually booted the game up yet, but it sucks to hear about the lack of widescreen support. If it's just an FOV issue like some are thinking, then it's probably easily fixable. Still, how do you overlook something like that in this day and age? Bioshock is kinda strange technically. It's this fantastic, otherwise cutting-edge game, that features no widescreen support and no support for even forcing anti-aliasing. Those are two of the most basic and common features in PC games these days, and the widescreen thing apparently impacts the 360 version too. What was Irrational thinking there? I hope these issues are remedied, especially the lack of widescreen support which is pretty serious.

Zeliard9

Does Halo 3 really need a hype thread to work out it has AAA hype.

cakeorrdeath

Yes. Just as KZ2 does. Why not put up the official hype thread for one of the most wanted games in the current gen.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

Well if it doesn't get an official hype thread I guess we really can't say what the officila hype was now can we? we can guess, but nothing official.

How about Halo3? Will we have to guess at that one as well?

mikasa

official hype is whatever the majority hype is. the majority, as shown by that link, is AAA.

halo 3 is exclusive. :|

1. Yes as of today Halo3 is exclusive. Quit trying to trump up the PC more than what it is and making announcments that don't exist. Link saying Halo3 is NOT exclusive?

2. And so what does that make Lair official hype? I know the official thread said AA, but there was much more random hype in all the posts claiming it was AAA BEFORE teh first reviews started hitting the street. So which is it?

1. wth are you reading? :|

2. AA :|

Does Halo 3 really need a hype thread to work out it has AAA hype.

cakeorrdeath

before yesterday i would have said that it didn't need a hype thread. however, since so many cows tried to call bioshock a flop because all of the lemmings hyped it AAAA, i think an official thread to confirm AAA is needed.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

Well if it doesn't get an official hype thread I guess we really can't say what the officila hype was now can we? we can guess, but nothing official.

How about Halo3? Will we have to guess at that one as well?

CaseyWegner

official hype is whatever the majority hype is. the majority, as shown by that link, is AAA.

halo 3 is exclusive. :|

1. Yes as of today Halo3 is exclusive. Quit trying to trump up the PC more than what it is and making announcments that don't exist. Link saying Halo3 is NOT exclusive?

2. And so what does that make Lair official hype? I know the official thread said AA, but there was much more random hype in all the posts claiming it was AAA BEFORE teh first reviews started hitting the street. So which is it?

1. wth are you reading? :|

2. AA :|

I took your halo 3 exclusive emoticon to mean you thought it wasn't exclusive. Otherwise a simple yes would have worked.

So if it's an official hype thread as stickied/started by you then it's the only thing that counts. If it's not official (by you) then it's just a general feeling for what's getting posted on teh boards (by you).

May want to change the name of the board to Casey's forum.

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

I hope the PC version of Bioshock sells well, because I managed to snag a copy up a couple hours ago with no pre-order from Gamestop, and they had quite a few left too. I was going to download it by Steam but forgot to set it to dl last night and decided to just randomly call Gamestop, and they, surprisingly at the time, had copies in stock. I also stopped by Best Buy for a couple things and they had a few copies of the PC version there too. The 360 version has flown off the shelves, though.

I haven't actually booted the game up yet, but it sucks to hear about the lack of widescreen support. If it's just an FOV issue like some are thinking, then it's probably easily fixable. Still, how do you overlook something like that in this day and age? Bioshock is kinda strange technically. It's this fantastic, otherwise cutting-edge game, that features no widescreen support and no support for even forcing anti-aliasing. Those are two of the most basic and common features in PC games these days, and the widescreen thing apparently impacts the 360 version too. What was Irrational thinking there? I hope these issues are remedied, especially the lack of widescreen support which is pretty serious.

Vandalvideo

There's "widescreen", but it isn't real widescreen. Meaning if you have a 22" monitor that's like mine, you can actually set it to 1680 x 1050, or higher if you go higher. The problem is that instead of doing what normal widescreen does, which is show you more of the sides of the image, it instead apparently zooms in (or something) on 4:3, so it fills the screen out but cuts off parts of the top and bottom in the process. Yay! You're not supposed to be able to see *more* when you play in 4:3 as opposed to widescreen, but in Bioshock you apparently do.

See here for more info: http://kotaku.com/gaming/shortscreened/bioshocks-widescreen-pissing-people-off-291697.php

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

Does Halo 3 really need a hype thread to work out it has AAA hype.

CaseyWegner

before yesterday i would have said that it didn't need a hype thread. however, since so many cows tried to call bioshock a flop because all of the lemmings hyped it AAAA, i think an official thread to confirm AAA is needed.

Fair enough. Evidently I put too much faith in system wars.

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

Does Halo 3 really need a hype thread to work out it has AAA hype.

CaseyWegner

before yesterday i would have said that it didn't need a hype thread. however, since so many cows tried to call bioshock a flop because all of the lemmings hyped it AAAA, i think an official thread to confirm AAA is needed.

Exactly! Now you're getting it! Why leave it to chance that most people will remember the board as you do. Just make it an official sticky and be done with it. Because I can guarantee that the random hype about lair was AAA where as teh offiicial sticky was AA. So random hype != official hype. Because there are a lot of people that will ignore the random hype threads that think a game will be AA....and they surely won't start a thread saying I'm hyping game X to by AA in the same ratio as a fanboy starting threads saying Hyping game X to be AAA.

So if it's an official hype thread as stickied/started by you then it's the only thing that counts. If it's not official (by you) then it's just a general feeling for what's getting posted on teh boards (by you).

May want to change the name of the board to Casey's forum.

mikasa

it's what we voted on, dude.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

Does Halo 3 really need a hype thread to work out it has AAA hype.

mikasa

before yesterday i would have said that it didn't need a hype thread. however, since so many cows tried to call bioshock a flop because all of the lemmings hyped it AAAA, i think an official thread to confirm AAA is needed.

Exactly! Now you're getting it! Why leave it to chance that most people will remember the board as you do. Just make it an official sticky and be done with it. Because I can guarantee that the random hype about lair was AAA where as teh offiicial sticky was AA. So random hype != official hype. Because there are a lot of people that will ignore the random hype threads that think a game will be AA....and they surely won't start a thread saying I'm hyping game X to by AA in the same ratio as a fanboy starting threads saying Hyping game X to be AAA.

now you're getting it.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

So if it's an official hype thread as stickied/started by you then it's the only thing that counts. If it's not official (by you) then it's just a general feeling for what's getting posted on teh boards (by you).

May want to change the name of the board to Casey's forum.

CaseyWegner

it's what we voted on, dude.

Really, so you just now decided to add Halo3 on your own based on the bioshock reaction.

before yesterday i would have said that it didn't need a hype thread.

CaseyWegner

Something isn't adding up. What exactly is it that we voted on? Casey makes the rules? If so I don't remember that vote.

Something isn't adding up. What exactly is it that we voted on? Casey makes the rules? If so I don't remember that vote.

mikasa

i'd have made a halo 3 thread if somebody asked me to. i wouldn't have made it on my own.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

Something isn't adding up. What exactly is it that we voted on? Casey makes the rules? If so I don't remember that vote.

CaseyWegner

i'd have made a halo 3 thread if somebody asked me to. i wouldn't have made it on my own.

I *think* I did ask a while back and you said it wasn't needed.

So for me to get on the same page...what exactly was it that was voted on in SW? I'm probably just out of the know on what was voted on.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

Something isn't adding up. What exactly is it that we voted on? Casey makes the rules? If so I don't remember that vote.

mikasa

i'd have made a halo 3 thread if somebody asked me to. i wouldn't have made it on my own.

I *think* I did ask a while back and you said it wasn't needed.

So for me to get on the same page...what exactly was it that was voted on in SW? I'm probably just out of the know on what was voted on.

official hype threads would be created by the mods for big name exclusives. the hype would end when the first review is released.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

Something isn't adding up. What exactly is it that we voted on? Casey makes the rules? If so I don't remember that vote.

CaseyWegner

i'd have made a halo 3 thread if somebody asked me to. i wouldn't have made it on my own.

I *think* I did ask a while back and you said it wasn't needed.

So for me to get on the same page...what exactly was it that was voted on in SW? I'm probably just out of the know on what was voted on.

official hype threads would be created by the mods for big name exclusives. the hype would end when the first review is released.

Ok, so why is it you weren't going to create Halo3 Hype thread? Is it not a big name exclusive in your book?

You know, Im kinda happy about this.

This goes to show that Gamespot is kind of turning away from caving into hype and giving high scores just because they have crazy hype behind them. Everyone in their hearts knows GEOW and Halo2 were overrated(they deserved AAA but not that high of an AAA) just because of hype. At least Gamespot is trying to distance it self from doing that like other sites and magazines. I think I should be expecting an honest Halo3 review when the game comes out and it should be at best 9.0 like this game.

And im no fanboy, just speaking facts. And I HAVE played the demo, finished it as a matter of fact:D, I liked the game a lot but not as much as to hype it 9.5 or even AAAA like others were. This is exactly the score I thought it deserved.

[QUOTE="Bullets4Brains"]

Jeff says in his video review that the game doesn't promote exploration because it has that big guide arrow that points you in the direction you're supposed to go, he made a pretty big deal about these arrows. I'd just like to point out that these arrows can be turned off, so that point is mute Jeff, shouldn't have even been brought up as it's optional, like the guide arrows in Oblivion.

Another gripe is his doen't mention this glitch in the video review that makes the game stutter, yet it counts as a negative in the written review. People with the game have said this is a hard drive issue, not a problem witht the game, so that shouldn't have counted against the game either.

It's fair enough if Jeff found the combat unsatisfying, I guess you can't please everyone, but his other problems with the game are not valid as the arrows can be turned off and the glitching is only affecting a few gamers with hard drive issues.

End of rant.

jechtshot78

The Arrow is off by defult, so he HAD to have turned it on.

Actually, its not. It came on for me, not long into the game, and I didnt turn it on. I havent had time to see if you could turn it off, but I would think you can. I will find out for sure after I get home today for work. I only had about 30 minutes to play it, and I am still not even past the point at the end of the demo, so I will get into the good stuff tonight. :)

Ok, so why is it you weren't going to create Halo3 Hype thread? Is it not a big name exclusive in your book?

mikasa

We just discussed this, because untill yesterday the hype level was deemed obvious.

Ok, so why is it you weren't going to create Halo3 Hype thread? Is it not a big name exclusive in your book?

mikasa

i explained why already.

and get that statement about me out of your sig. i'm not going totell youagain.

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="leejohnson7"]

[QUOTE="l-_-l"]All I can say to all the 9.0 complaining is....I am glade I rely on more than GS for my reviews. To me, it is still a AAAA game. I couldn't care less that it got a 9 here. I stopped caring about GS reviews when they changes systems. I pretty much only use this site for posting and reading previews of new games.MADVLAD123

How can a game be perfect if it has flaws.

You said you considered Bioshock AAAA. And AAAA means the game is perfect. Hence the question^^.

actually, with the new reviewing system, AAAA means prime, not perfect :P

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

Ok, so why is it you weren't going to create Halo3 Hype thread? Is it not a big name exclusive in your book?

cakeorrdeath

We just discussed this, because untill yesterday the hype level was deemed obvious.

Ah, I thought it was what Casey posted "official hype threads would be created by the mods for big name exclusives. the hype would end when the first review is released."

Didn't realize it had an unspoken/unwritten exception. "Unless Casey deems it obvious".

[QUOTE="jechtshot78"][QUOTE="Bullets4Brains"]

Jeff says in his video review that the game doesn't promote exploration because it has that big guide arrow that points you in the direction you're supposed to go, he made a pretty big deal about these arrows. I'd just like to point out that these arrows can be turned off, so that point is mute Jeff, shouldn't have even been brought up as it's optional, like the guide arrows in Oblivion.

Another gripe is his doen't mention this glitch in the video review that makes the game stutter, yet it counts as a negative in the written review. People with the game have said this is a hard drive issue, not a problem witht the game, so that shouldn't have counted against the game either.

It's fair enough if Jeff found the combat unsatisfying, I guess you can't please everyone, but his other problems with the game are not valid as the arrows can be turned off and the glitching is only affecting a few gamers with hard drive issues.

End of rant.

JediRiff

The Arrow is off by defult, so he HAD to have turned it on.

Actually, its not. It came on for me, not long into the game, and I didnt turn it on. I havent had time to see if you could turn it off, but I would think you can. I will find out for sure after I get home today for work. I only had about 30 minutes to play it, and I am still not even past the point at the end of the demo, so I will get into the good stuff tonight. :)

I don't know about the 360 version but I can confirm that the arrow is on by default in the retail PC version (I think it was off by default in the PC demo). But Jesus, it's still right there in the gameplay options, impossible to miss and as easy to turn off as clicking your mouse or pressing a button. But then again, it's in the same menu where you set the difficulty, and we all know Jeff didn't play Bioshock on hard. ;)