Bioware vs Naughty Dog 56k.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]Yes and no. I wanted an improved shooting mechanic(which we got) and an improved mix of rpg with the combat(which we didn't). I believe the series stopped being the exception to "just another game" that we get ever so often. It's no longer a game "like anything out there" as you called it.psn8214

An improved mix of the RPG with the combat? Like what? How would you have improved it? The way I see it is, that even though so many of you like to cry TPS when it comes to Mass Effect, it still fits the basic mold of an RPG, ie levelling up abilities, unlocking new ones, and role-playing through character interactions.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] the combat is pretty hard on insanity (which I beat twice btw) not sure where you're coming from, ME 2 overall was much more arduous on max difficulty than its predecessor.

Dead-Memories

I'd say if we're embracing it being a shooter, that was the best decision they could have made for the series, because Mass Effect 2 improved upon the first in every way possible. Looking back on this gen, the Mass Effect games are what will be remembered as the pinnacles of storytelling, and character interaction. Problem? Deal wit' it. 8)

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] the combat is pretty hard on insanity (which I beat twice btw) not sure where you're coming from, ME 2 overall was much more arduous on max difficulty than its predecessor.

Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]Yes and no. I wanted an improved shooting mechanic(which we got) and an improved mix of rpg with the combat(which we didn't). I believe the series stopped being the exception to "just another game" that we get ever so often. It's no longer a game "like anything out there" as you called it.edo-tensei

An improved mix of the RPG with the combat? Like what? How would you have improved it? The way I see it is, that even though so many of you like to cry TPS when it comes to Mass Effect, it still fits the basic mold of an RPG, ie levelling up abilities, unlocking new ones, and role-playing through character interactions.

No, sorry role playing is not just about character interactions, it's also part of combat and (love it or hate it) inventory and skill/ attribute management. You can't just say and rpg is about character interaction and choice alone psn, come on man. That arguement may hold ground in pen and paper rpgs, but these are videogames we're talking about here.edo-tensei

Then it's a shooter with RPG elements. Doesn't bother me in the slightest, which was my original point. :P

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] As a shooter yes.psn8214

I'd say if we're embracing it being a shooter, that was the best decision they could have made for the series, because Mass Effect 2 improved upon the first in every way possible. Looking back on this gen, the Mass Effect games are what will be remembered as the pinnacles of storytelling, and character interaction. Problem? Deal wit' it. 8)

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="psn8214"]

An improved mix of the RPG with the combat? Like what? How would you have improved it? The way I see it is, that even though so many of you like to cry TPS when it comes to Mass Effect, it still fits the basic mold of an RPG, ie levelling up abilities, unlocking new ones, and role-playing through character interactions.

Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] it is a shooter, with RPG elements, you may not like it, but it is still critically acclaimed is one of the best games this generation. let's leave it at that. edo-tensei

I'd say if we're embracing it being a shooter, that was the best decision they could have made for the series, because Mass Effect 2 improved upon the first in every way possible. Looking back on this gen, the Mass Effect games are what will be remembered as the pinnacles of storytelling, and character interaction. Problem? Deal wit' it. 8)

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]No, sorry role playing is not just about character interactions, it's also part of combat and (love it or hate it) inventory and skill/ attribute management. You can't just say and rpg is about character interaction and choice alone psn, come on man. That arguement may hold ground in pen and paper rpgs, but these are videogames we're talking about here.psn8214

Then it's a shooter with RPG elements. Doesn't bother me in the slightest, which was my original point. :P

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] As a shooter yes.psn8214

I'd say if we're embracing it being a shooter, that was the best decision they could have made for the series, because Mass Effect 2 improved upon the first in every way possible. Looking back on this gen, the Mass Effect games are what will be remembered as the pinnacles of storytelling, and character interaction. Problem? Deal wit' it. 8)

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="psn8214"]

I'd say if we're embracing it being a shooter, that was the best decision they could have made for the series, because Mass Effect 2 improved upon the first in every way possible. Looking back on this gen, the Mass Effect games are what will be remembered as the pinnacles of storytelling, and character interaction. Problem? Deal wit' it. 8)

Dead-Memories

Bioware just because i havent really played any of naughty dog's games except fot Crash Bandicoot

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] it is a shooter, with RPG elements, you may not like it, but it is still critically acclaimed is one of the best games this generation. let's leave it at that. GeneralShowzer

I'd say if we're embracing it being a shooter, that was the best decision they could have made for the series, because Mass Effect 2 improved upon the first in every way possible. Looking back on this gen, the Mass Effect games are what will be remembered as the pinnacles of storytelling, and character interaction. Problem? Deal wit' it. 8)

Welcome to the jaded minority. ;)

Bioware is releasing 3 games next year, Bioware has been doing better this gen and will do better this gen.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] I could care less about that. Character and story I could get in every other game. You people call this game revolutionary, i see it as a failure to evolve the genre and just go straight into mainstream territory.edo-tensei

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="psn8214"]

I'd say if we're embracing it being a shooter, that was the best decision they could have made for the series, because Mass Effect 2 improved upon the first in every way possible. Looking back on this gen, the Mass Effect games are what will be remembered as the pinnacles of storytelling, and character interaction. Problem? Deal wit' it. 8)

psn8214

Welcome to the jaded minority. ;)

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] I could care less about that. Character and story I could get in every other game. You people call this game revolutionary, i see it as a failure to evolve the genre and just go straight into mainstream territory.edo-tensei

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="psn8214"]

I'd say if we're embracing it being a shooter, that was the best decision they could have made for the series, because Mass Effect 2 improved upon the first in every way possible. Looking back on this gen, the Mass Effect games are what will be remembered as the pinnacles of storytelling, and character interaction. Problem? Deal wit' it. 8)

psn8214

Welcome to the jaded minority. ;)

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] i don't understand why you are under the fallacy that Mass Effect 2 had to "evolve" anything. Dead-Memories

Not by me it wont. Mass Effect 2 didn't really do anything that i haven't seen in Kotor, or Jade Empire.GeneralShowzer

Welcome to the jaded minority. ;)

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] i don't understand why you are under the fallacy that Mass Effect 2 had to "evolve" anything. Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

i don't understand why you are under the fallacy that Mass Effect 2 had to "evolve" anything. Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Not by me it wont. Mass Effect 2 didn't really do anything that i haven't seen in Kotor, or Jade Empire.GeneralShowzer

Welcome to the jaded minority. ;)

Mass Effect 2 didn't even sold 1.5 million copies. You're in the minority here.GeneralShowzer

What do sales have to do with anything lol? What are you even trying to say with that? Legions of dissapointed RPG fans disavowed the game because you could no longer sort through multitudes of look-alike armors?

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="psn8214"]

Welcome to the jaded minority. ;)

Avian005

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] No no, you're the ones calling it revolutionary like nothing this gen, not me, obviously.

edo-tensei

I'd say the way it streamlined deep character interactions was a major step forward, albeit not a welcome one by some.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] No no, you're the ones calling it revolutionary like nothing this gen, not me, obviously.

spookykid143

Screw it, I'm not researching anything. Way too many sources with different numbers.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

i don't understand why you are under the fallacy that Mass Effect 2 had to "evolve" anything. Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] it's most certainly one of the best games this gen, that's for sure. i don't ever remember using the term "revolutionary" that is far too much a hyperbole, I would say that for Demon's Souls maybe, but not ME 2. there was nothing like it this gen sure as far as character development/plot, for me at least.

psn8214

I'd say the way it streamlined deep character interactions was a major step forward, albeit not a welcome one by some.

[QUOTE="Avian005"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Mass Effect 2 didn't even sold 1.5 million copies. You're in the minority here.GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] it's most certainly one of the best games this gen, that's for sure. i don't ever remember using the term "revolutionary" that is far too much a hyperbole, I would say that for Demon's Souls maybe, but not ME 2. there was nothing like it this gen sure as far as character development/plot, for me at least.

psn8214

I'd say the way it streamlined deep character interactions was a major step forward, albeit not a welcome one by some.

Dude, you're making this up. I'm telling you I've been doing the same things in Origins, ME, Jade Empire, KOTOR, KOTOR 2, ect....GeneralShowzer

I was referring to the initial Mass Effect, and the dialogue wheel.

I like when every thread mentions Mass Effect 2, an ensuing 10 page discussion on the qualities of RPG's are discussed. :lol:

[QUOTE="Avian005"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] No no, you're the ones calling it revolutionary like nothing this gen, not me, obviously.

edo-tensei

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

Fair enough.edo-tensei

I'd say the way it streamlined deep character interactions was a major step forward, albeit not a welcome one by some.

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

I'd say the way it streamlined deep character interactions was a major step forward, albeit not a welcome one by some.

edo-tensei

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Fair enough.spookykid143

I'd say the way it streamlined deep character interactions was a major step forward, albeit not a welcome one by some.

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Fair enough.GeneralShowzer

I'd say the way it streamlined deep character interactions was a major step forward, albeit not a welcome one by some.

Ok I'm just asking here, but did you really vote for Naughty Dog over Bioware, with the mentality that you want less mainstream games?

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Dude, you're making this up. I'm telling you I've been doing the same things in Origins, ME, Jade Empire, KOTOR, KOTOR 2, ect....psn8214

I was referring to the initial Mass Effect, and the dialogue wheel.

I like when every thread mentions Mass Effect 2, an ensuing 10 page discussion on the qualities of RPG's are discussed. :lol:

Dead-Memories

... and basically, that arguement is null and void anyways, because whatever the hell Mass Effect 2 was, RPG or TPS/RPG, it was the best game I've played to this point, so evidently they did something right. :P

Can we get back on topic now?

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Avian005"]I haven't seen anyone call Mass Effect revolutionary, nor have I seen anyone claim Mass Effect evolved the RPG genre. :?

Avian005

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="spookykid143"]i would have preferred if bioware fixed what was wrong with ME1 instead of taking stuff out.

[QUOTE="Avian005"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Yes it's been certainly called revolutionary, back a few pages or simply just go into another "mass effect2 is god thread." And as far as evolving the genre, it was just my expectetion, but it just became streamlined.edo-tensei

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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Bu bu but the characters and story!!!edo-tensei

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Not by me it wont. Mass Effect 2 didn't really do anything that i haven't seen in Kotor, or Jade Empire.GeneralShowzer

Welcome to the jaded minority. ;)

It sold more than 1.5 million copies by May.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="spookykid143"]The characters were better in ME2

GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="spookykid143"]The characters were better in ME2

GeneralShowzer