Breath of the Wild is NOT 10/10

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#51 hatecalledlove
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@jcrame10: Once you get off the Great Plateau you have options to get horses, after you've done a few of the shrines and the tower on the Great Plateau you open up fast travel between those points.

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#52  Edited By R10nu
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I'm about 15-20 hours into Botw and so far it's more 10-worthy than any other 10 i can remember.

Maybe it gets worse down the line, i'll know soon enough.

But the fact that this game doesn't do free blowjobs on top of everything else doesn't make it not 10.

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Oh, so you've played the game and know all this first hand?

Sorry, he must wait for his favorite midlife crisis fuckboy to poop out a hollow self-serving opinion video before he can talk about this game at length.

Please be patient.

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lmao. Oh some of the posts in this thread.

Gamers are so fucking dumb, but it's always the big releases that really bring it out of them.

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@ConanTheStoner said:

lmao. Oh some of the posts in this thread.

Gamers are so fucking dumb, but it's always the big releases that really bring it out of them.

and sandbox games that show how boring they are. Like they forgot what a video game was.

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@charizard1605: I mean, yeah, but you get my point. That's why I said I never liked scaled or numbered reviews. Just point out the good, the bads, the flaws, the what-nots, because at the end of the day, scores are just fanboy fodder.

I actually agree with this, yes. A score detracts from a review's overall worth. Unfortunately, we live in a Metacritic driven games society, so here we are.

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Also 10/10 does not mean a perfect game you dumb shits. A review scale where the max score is something that isn't achievable is a pointless scale.

Perfection is exactly what it should mean. If a perfect score is unattainable then so be it, doesn't mean it can't be a target for developers to strive for.

As I said earlier it's a flaw from having a heavily restricted scoring system.

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@jcrame10 said:

@charizard1605

The menus are largely well designed, and the quick hotkeying function means you rarely have to pull them open at all.

-You're still pausing in mid battle to switch between weapons- sword, club, axe, bow. The hotkeying is nice but still interrupts the flow of battle. If you could have a weapon that could handle 3 enemies in a row without breaking, it wouldnt be as big of a deal.

These are literally central mechanics to the game. Survival is the theme of the game. You are meant to use those collectibles and resources to be able to survive the harsh world. If that is not a feature that appeals to you... I mean, okay? I don't know what I can say to that. There is nothing objectively wrong with the survival mechanics, they are exceptionally well implemented, and they make the open world and resource collection more meaningful

-Why is "survival" a major element to a Zelda game now? It doesnt fit.

Holy shit, you're crying about difficulty in a game. Okay.

Also, sidestep, backflip, dodge- the lack of roll is a bummer, but it is entirely unnecessary.

-Difficulty should be gradual, as your character levels up the enemies naturally get tougher....Accidentally running into a one-hit KO enemy, that is not designed to be defeated so early in the game (game hints even say to run away), is just an annoying and waste of time mechanic

sidestepping, backflipping, dodging is great but doesnt justify the lack of a roll

Heartily disagree here, and I have discussed this at length before. The weapons are meant to feel dispensible like ammunition, and you are meant to be constantly trying to find new ones- the world makes them plentiful anyway. Again, this ties back into the the survival theme of the world. You have to make do with what you find.

-Sure and those things are fine, but how do they fit into a Zelda game? There no attachment or uniqueness to the weapons. Finding the Kokiri Sword then the Master Sword were specific elements to OoT. The weapons were significant and a had reason to exist. So much better than finding generic club #10 or generic spear #12 just lying on the ground. Its not as special or fun.

Survival is a major element because it was a major element in the NES game, and that's the direction they decided to go with with this game.

Difficulty is gradual if you follow the story- the game tells you what to do and where to go. If you do that, you won't die or run into any enemies beyond your level. if you choose to go somewhere you are not supposed to be going, the game doesn't stop you, but you better be prepared. It's identical to Dark Souls.

I find the hoykeying to be quick and elegant. It doesn't interrupt action. Later on you do get weapons that can attack multiple enemies at once, plus you can always utilize the environment for that.

As for attachment to the weapons- there are permanent higher leveled story weapons in this game too, and you will run into them. But for the survival theme that the game has decided to tackle this time around, dispensable weapons are necessary. Again, you can argue that survival has no place in a Zelda game- but what place in a Zelda game did a time limit have? Or a pirate themed sailing adventure? Zelda does new shit with its landmark entries. So did this one. You either like it or you don't- you don't, apparently, which is fine, but that doesn't mean that the others who do are biased, any more than you being biased.

Incidentally, a lot of your complaints will be addressed if you just follow the main story and ignore the side content, i guess.

Ive never really played Zelda NES

Maybe im just getting older but i feel the time mechanic elements and sailing elements were so much better than anything this game is offering so far. They worked and made more sense.

So far I have been trying to stick to the main story as much as possible, going exactly where youre supposed to.

I feel my expectations were wrong or too high- if the game was called something other than Zelda, I would probably not complain about the mechanics as much. I appreciate Nintendo trying to innovate and evolve the franchise in a more modern way. Skyward Sword was worse than this game..way worse...

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@jcrame10 said:

I am playing on the Wii U version and have not had any freezing or glitching. All I have noticed is the framerate dips.

@biack_goku said:

It's definitely a 10/10. Easily a top 5 game of all time, it's pure magic regardless of some minor flaws.

How far are you? Im hoping it gets better. I just met with Impa to start the four tribes quest.

I'm around 60 hours in. You've barely even started the game. This is like a 100+ hour game here.

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Excellent thread title to attract every single sheep SW has.

56 comments in under an hour, im pretty happy.

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and sandbox games that show how boring they are. Like they forgot what a video game was.

Yup, when I got a few hours in, I just knew this game would be sharing the burden with titles like Crysis and MGSV.

"You.... you mean I actually get to play? NO! STRANGER DANGER!"

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@charizard1605 said:
@Pedro said:

If games were based on holistic assessment then Uncharted 4 would not have received a 10.

Which is your opinion, not the reviewer's

I can argue that its not an opinion. If we are to evaluate the game holistically there are many areas in which as a game, it fell short objectively. I know its common to believe that everything in gaming is subjective but its not.

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#62  Edited By deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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I don't really put much stock into scores or expressing myself using them.

I am thoroughly enjoying Breath of the Wild personally. I can understand people drawing issue with some of its design decisions (the weapon system for example). For me, it's one of the strongest uses of an open world in recent memory.

This Zelda bias argument though is really exhausting. :( It does the game a great disservice in my opinion.

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@jcrame10 said:
@charizard1605 said:
@jcrame10 said:

@charizard1605

The menus are largely well designed, and the quick hotkeying function means you rarely have to pull them open at all.

-You're still pausing in mid battle to switch between weapons- sword, club, axe, bow. The hotkeying is nice but still interrupts the flow of battle. If you could have a weapon that could handle 3 enemies in a row without breaking, it wouldnt be as big of a deal.

These are literally central mechanics to the game. Survival is the theme of the game. You are meant to use those collectibles and resources to be able to survive the harsh world. If that is not a feature that appeals to you... I mean, okay? I don't know what I can say to that. There is nothing objectively wrong with the survival mechanics, they are exceptionally well implemented, and they make the open world and resource collection more meaningful

-Why is "survival" a major element to a Zelda game now? It doesnt fit.

Holy shit, you're crying about difficulty in a game. Okay.

Also, sidestep, backflip, dodge- the lack of roll is a bummer, but it is entirely unnecessary.

-Difficulty should be gradual, as your character levels up the enemies naturally get tougher....Accidentally running into a one-hit KO enemy, that is not designed to be defeated so early in the game (game hints even say to run away), is just an annoying and waste of time mechanic

sidestepping, backflipping, dodging is great but doesnt justify the lack of a roll

Heartily disagree here, and I have discussed this at length before. The weapons are meant to feel dispensible like ammunition, and you are meant to be constantly trying to find new ones- the world makes them plentiful anyway. Again, this ties back into the the survival theme of the world. You have to make do with what you find.

-Sure and those things are fine, but how do they fit into a Zelda game? There no attachment or uniqueness to the weapons. Finding the Kokiri Sword then the Master Sword were specific elements to OoT. The weapons were significant and a had reason to exist. So much better than finding generic club #10 or generic spear #12 just lying on the ground. Its not as special or fun.

Survival is a major element because it was a major element in the NES game, and that's the direction they decided to go with with this game.

Difficulty is gradual if you follow the story- the game tells you what to do and where to go. If you do that, you won't die or run into any enemies beyond your level. if you choose to go somewhere you are not supposed to be going, the game doesn't stop you, but you better be prepared. It's identical to Dark Souls.

I find the hoykeying to be quick and elegant. It doesn't interrupt action. Later on you do get weapons that can attack multiple enemies at once, plus you can always utilize the environment for that.

As for attachment to the weapons- there are permanent higher leveled story weapons in this game too, and you will run into them. But for the survival theme that the game has decided to tackle this time around, dispensable weapons are necessary. Again, you can argue that survival has no place in a Zelda game- but what place in a Zelda game did a time limit have? Or a pirate themed sailing adventure? Zelda does new shit with its landmark entries. So did this one. You either like it or you don't- you don't, apparently, which is fine, but that doesn't mean that the others who do are biased, any more than you being biased.

Incidentally, a lot of your complaints will be addressed if you just follow the main story and ignore the side content, i guess.

Ive never really played Zelda NES

Maybe im just getting older but i feel the time mechanic elements and sailing elements were so much better than anything this game is offering so far. They worked and made more sense.

So far I have been trying to stick to the main story as much as possible, going exactly where youre supposed to.

I feel my expectations were wrong or too high- if the game was called something other than Zelda, I would probably not complain about the mechanics as much. I appreciate Nintendo trying to innovate and evolve the franchise in a more modern way. Skyward Sword was worse than this game..way worse...

I mean, i get your complaints. If you don't like what the game is trying to do, then that's it, you don't like the game in general. I respect the fact that you've played the game, and you're not liking where it's going with it. But for what the game is and what it does, there is nothing wrong with it- the 10/10 score is awarded based on an understanding of 'this is what the game is, this is what it does, it does it really well, and we loved it.' The first three points are empirical- the last one is subjective, and the one you disagree with. You don't like what the game does, so it doesn't matter to you if it does it well. Which is fine. For you, the game is not 10/10. But that doesn't mean that the people who awarded it a 10/10 are biased or wrong, it just means they loved what the game had to offer.

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I agree.....it is a big disappointment and massively overrated

This must be the most overrated game ever. It just a open world zelda game,monotonous and boring,ugly graphics and boring music. It is just a open world clone game from others a lot better open world games like Witcher 3 but with nice cartoon graphics for 8 years old kids.I have the game for the WiiU but it is boring,a good game but not a great game,not even close a 10/10 game.The graphics are ugly,not even at PS3 best games level graphics,clumsy gameplay,the world feels empty and unfinished and i got bored very easy.

I am playing the game and i am simply not enjoying it so far. I also don't understand why people are giving either 10 score reviews......... Witcher 3 is a true masterpiece open world game and a true 10/10 Game but Zelda: Breath of the Wild can't even touch the quality of the Witcher 3 in any aspects.

In general this game is just a giant middle finger to anyone who loves Nintendo and specifically the Zelda franchise. I'm convinced these perfect score reviews are all hired interns with Nintendo to ensure their stock doesn't plummet farther than it already has.

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@jg4xchamp said:
@Pedro said:

If games were based on holistic assessment then Uncharted 4 would not have received a 10.

That's not a counter-argument to what he said, that's just you willfully ignoring the concept of a review being an opinion.

If "you" are arguing that games are reviewed holistically then all elements of the game has to be consider both subjective and objective. You are willfully ignoring this concept of a review.

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@Pedro said:
@charizard1605 said:
@Pedro said:

If games were based on holistic assessment then Uncharted 4 would not have received a 10.

Which is your opinion, not the reviewer's

I can argue that its not an opinion. If we are to evaluate the game holistically there are many areas in which as a game, it fell short objectively. I know its common to believe that everything in gaming is subjective but its not.

And then I can counter with 'the reviewer felt that the areas it fell short objectively didn't mar him from feeling the game was a 10 overall.' They did for you (and for me actually, I feel the game is nowhere close to a 10), but that doesn't make you more right or him more wrong.

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@AtariKidX said:

I agree.....it is a big disappointment and massively overrated

This must be the most overrated game ever. It just a open world zelda game,monotonous and boring,ugly graphics and boring music. It is just a open world clone game from others a lot better open world games like Witcher 3 but with nice cartoon graphics for 8 years old kids.I have the game for the WiiU but it is boring,a good game but not a great game,not even close a 10/10 game.The graphics are ugly,not even at PS3 best games level graphics,clumsy gameplay,the world feels empty and unfinished and i got bored very easy.

I am playing the game and i am simply not enjoying it so far. I also don't understand why people are giving either 10 score reviews......... Witcher 3 is a true masterpiece open world game and a true 10/10 Game but Zelda: Breath of the Wild can't even touch the quality of the Witcher 3 in any aspects.

In general this game is just a giant middle finger to anyone who loves Nintendo and specifically the Zelda franchise. I'm convinced these perfect score reviews are all hired interns with Nintendo to ensure their stock doesn't plummet farther than it already has.

I'm waiting for the picture

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@AtariKidX said:

I agree.....it is a big disappointment and massively overrated

This must be the most overrated game ever. It just a open world zelda game,monotonous and boring,ugly graphics and boring music. It is just a open world clone game from others a lot better open world games like Witcher 3 but with nice cartoon graphics for 8 years old kids.I have the game for the WiiU but it is boring,a good game but not a great game,not even close a 10/10 game.The graphics are ugly,not even at PS3 best games level graphics,clumsy gameplay,the world feels empty and unfinished and i got bored very easy.

I am playing the game and i am simply not enjoying it so far. I also don't understand why people are giving either 10 score reviews......... Witcher 3 is a true masterpiece open world game and a true 10/10 Game but Zelda: Breath of the Wild can't even touch the quality of the Witcher 3 in any aspects.

In general this game is just a giant middle finger to anyone who loves Nintendo and specifically the Zelda franchise. I'm convinced these perfect score reviews are all hired interns with Nintendo to ensure their stock doesn't plummet farther than it already has.

This is not the first open world Zelda game and people need to stop acting as if it is. Its the most open ended world with regards to accessibility.

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@Pedro said:
@jg4xchamp said:

That's not a counter-argument to what he said, that's just you willfully ignoring the concept of a review being an opinion.

If "you" are arguing that games are reviewed holistically then all elements of the game has to be consider both subjective and objective. You are willfully ignoring this concept of a review.

What is objectively wrong with Uncharted 4? That there is no challenge to the platforming? Sure, but that's not inherently a problem, plenty of people will be okay with that little interaction and see it as a vehicle for the game to tell a story. Which it does as a lot of that stuff happens to be there for characters to banter with each other.

Beyond that it controls well at everything it lets you do, the gunplay is fast, has a nice feedback loop and excellent presentation to go with it, and the combat zones are open for some free form approaches as opposed to the overly scripted hallways of its predecessors or other shooters of its era: CoD for instance.

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@charizard1605 said:
@Pedro said:
@charizard1605 said:
@Pedro said:

If games were based on holistic assessment then Uncharted 4 would not have received a 10.

Which is your opinion, not the reviewer's

I can argue that its not an opinion. If we are to evaluate the game holistically there are many areas in which as a game, it fell short objectively. I know its common to believe that everything in gaming is subjective but its not.

And then I can counter with 'the reviewer felt that the areas it fell short objectively didn't mar him from feeling the game was a 10 overall.' They did for you (and for me actually, I feel the game is nowhere close to a 10), but that doesn't make you more right or him more wrong.

Question. Where areas in the game make it not being a 10? Some areas like mechanics and frame rate are not opinion based, but it it doesn't hurt your experience then that's another story. If you do have these issues then the game may not indeed be a 10.

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@flyincloud1116 said:
@charizard1605 said:
@Pedro said:
@charizard1605 said:
@Pedro said:

If games were based on holistic assessment then Uncharted 4 would not have received a 10.

Which is your opinion, not the reviewer's

I can argue that its not an opinion. If we are to evaluate the game holistically there are many areas in which as a game, it fell short objectively. I know its common to believe that everything in gaming is subjective but its not.

And then I can counter with 'the reviewer felt that the areas it fell short objectively didn't mar him from feeling the game was a 10 overall.' They did for you (and for me actually, I feel the game is nowhere close to a 10), but that doesn't make you more right or him more wrong.

Question. Where areas in the game make it not being a 10? Some areas like mechanics and frame rate are not opinion based, but it it doesn't hurt your experience then that's another story. If you do have these issues then the game may not indeed be a 10.

I feel like the stealth is under developed mechanically, that the pacing is completely broken, and that the game places too much emphasis on platforming sections, which is bizarre because its platforming is terrible.

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@Pedro said:
@AtariKidX said:

I agree.....it is a big disappointment and massively overrated

This must be the most overrated game ever. It just a open world zelda game,monotonous and boring,ugly graphics and boring music. It is just a open world clone game from others a lot better open world games like Witcher 3 but with nice cartoon graphics for 8 years old kids.I have the game for the WiiU but it is boring,a good game but not a great game,not even close a 10/10 game.The graphics are ugly,not even at PS3 best games level graphics,clumsy gameplay,the world feels empty and unfinished and i got bored very easy.

I am playing the game and i am simply not enjoying it so far. I also don't understand why people are giving either 10 score reviews......... Witcher 3 is a true masterpiece open world game and a true 10/10 Game but Zelda: Breath of the Wild can't even touch the quality of the Witcher 3 in any aspects.

In general this game is just a giant middle finger to anyone who loves Nintendo and specifically the Zelda franchise. I'm convinced these perfect score reviews are all hired interns with Nintendo to ensure their stock doesn't plummet farther than it already has.

This is not the first open world Zelda game and people need to stop acting as if it is. Its the most open ended world with regards to accessibility.

It fanboy worlds it will always be the first ever this or that. You know that Vote for Pedro.

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@charizard1605 said:
@flyincloud1116 said:
@charizard1605 said:
@Pedro said:
@charizard1605 said:

Which is your opinion, not the reviewer's

I can argue that its not an opinion. If we are to evaluate the game holistically there are many areas in which as a game, it fell short objectively. I know its common to believe that everything in gaming is subjective but its not.

And then I can counter with 'the reviewer felt that the areas it fell short objectively didn't mar him from feeling the game was a 10 overall.' They did for you (and for me actually, I feel the game is nowhere close to a 10), but that doesn't make you more right or him more wrong.

Question. Where areas in the game make it not being a 10? Some areas like mechanics and frame rate are not opinion based, but it it doesn't hurt your experience then that's another story. If you do have these issues then the game may not indeed be a 10.

I feel like the stealth is under developed mechanically, that the pacing is completely broken, and that the game places too much emphasis on platforming sections, which is bizarre because its platforming is terrible.

I asked you answered. Sounds like some of the reviews were just happy to have the game and overlook the flaws. Is it fun? I'm not a Zelda fan, but I love Mario and the old Kid Icarus and many other Nintendo games.

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@jg4xchamp said:

Also 10/10 does not mean a perfect game you dumb shits. A review scale where the max score is something that isn't achievable is a pointless scale.

You're expectations for gamers is too high.

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@flyincloud1116 said:
@charizard1605 said:
@flyincloud1116 said:
@charizard1605 said:
@Pedro said:

I can argue that its not an opinion. If we are to evaluate the game holistically there are many areas in which as a game, it fell short objectively. I know its common to believe that everything in gaming is subjective but its not.

And then I can counter with 'the reviewer felt that the areas it fell short objectively didn't mar him from feeling the game was a 10 overall.' They did for you (and for me actually, I feel the game is nowhere close to a 10), but that doesn't make you more right or him more wrong.

Question. Where areas in the game make it not being a 10? Some areas like mechanics and frame rate are not opinion based, but it it doesn't hurt your experience then that's another story. If you do have these issues then the game may not indeed be a 10.

I feel like the stealth is under developed mechanically, that the pacing is completely broken, and that the game places too much emphasis on platforming sections, which is bizarre because its platforming is terrible.

I asked you answered. Sounds like some of the reviews were just happy to have the game and overlook the flaws. Is it fun? I'm not a Zelda fan, but I love Mario and the old Kid Icarus and many other Nintendo games.

Breath of the Wild? It's really fun and it's really addictive. It is without a doubt the most sophisticated open world ever in terms of the degree of interactivity that it allows, and it's basically the kind of game I have wanted ever since I finished Wind Waker in 2003.

Will you like it? Hmmm, well I suppose it will depend on whether or not you like open world RPGs in general. If you do, then yes, you will like Breath of the Wild. I do, so this is a dream come true for me. If you don't like open world RPGs, then I suppose Breath of the Wild won't necessarily make you a convert- it might, because a lot of people who don't like open worlds love it. But it's more of a crapshoot at that point.

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@ghosts4ever said:

of course its not. its same nintendo rehash since 80s. but its zelda game. its gonna rated perfect and LOL at 98% on metacritic. best games on earth struggle to get 90.

Bethesda games get completely slaughtered for performance issues and poor graphics, Skyrim being the ultimate whipping boy. Even when "The Enhanced Edition" was release people hopped on to highlight how poor the graphics were even tough it was basically a Remaster of a last generation title.

Nintendo? £300 console? £50 game? 20fps? Terrible textures? Free pass.

Darksiders II was what? 2012?

Here's a game running on a console that will cost you three-four GTX 980's, at a whopping 24fps.

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How I see most gamers:

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I am not that far into the game, just a couple of hours (maybe 4 or 5).

Holy shit lol. I didn't bother reading the OP at first because the first statement alone was just so dumb.

But dude, you haven't even started the game. And when I look back to the opening hours of the past few 3d Zeldas they've all been tedious garbage. This game actually trusts you to not be an idiot in its opening stretch, major upgrade.

Nothing wrong with early impressions man, but you could at least play the game for a bit before creating a thread that claims all these people who actually BEAT THE FUCKING GAME are biased lmao. Less time beating chest like moron. More time beating game. Go.

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@speedfreak48t5p: try again with that spelling you bum

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@jcrame10 said:

Inflated, biased reviews will tell you otherwise, but Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is NOT a perfect game.

-consistent frame rate dips, especially with multiple enemies on screen

  • 10/10 doesnt mean its perfect.

-clumsy, cumbersome menus compared to older games

  • Menus are pretty simple and very intuitive actually.

-tedious resource gathering and collectibles that clutter up your menu

  • Tedious why? All the resources actually have a play on the game's many systems. Clutter up the menu? Each category has its own page(s) that can be skipped depending on with stick you use. No clutter.

-areas that are detrimental to your health because of weather conditions (resolved by a torch or cooking peppers, still an annoyance rather than a unique feature)

  • Obstacles are now annoyances in game? Would you rather they gated areas from players instead of offering an open space with different requirements to traverse?

-the open world design is really cool but accidentally running into random enemies that can kill you instantly in one hit gets old. fast. a lot of the times theres no warning until its too late. also whats up with no roll ability? thats a Zelda staple. They put in a jump after 30 years but take out the roll? What?

  • There is a stealth system built into this game. Stop rushing into high level enemy territory Rambo style and you'll be fine.

-weapons with no durability. biggest offender. one of the most satisfying elements of Zelda, for me at least, has always been finding and collecting the unique items and weapons.

  • Stop looking at weapons as long term rewards. This game is balanced around the fact your not powering through the game with that one high stat weapon.

Solving a puzzle, dungeon or task and being rewarded with an item. The Biggorns sword quest, the Skulltula quest, the Lens of Truth in the well, the Megaton Hammer in the Fire Temple or the Bow in the Forest Temple (yes most of my examples come from OoT, but thats where it all started with the 3D mechanics and is my favorite of the 3D Zeldas)...just picking up random items gives no sense of accomplishment, it makes the game feel like a cheap RPG Fable type knock off.

  • The accomplishment comes from progressing through the harsh, vast wilderness with your own strategy and approach to combat, etc... not shiny, stat based loot. The journey is the reward, not +30 sword you'll keep to the end.

We all want change in series but I strongly feel removing these elements was a horrible decision. Now Zelda feels like every other crafting or resource game versus what it was before.

  • Breath of thw Wild feels like what other game? I'm all ears lol

The fact that you have to switch between multiple weapons in a fight more than half of the time because of durability is an annoyance too. Gameplay is not smooth or engaging when youre constantly having to pause to swap weapons and items.

  • It takes 2 seconds to swap weapons... lol

I am not that far into the game, just a couple of hours (maybe 4 or 5).

  • 4 hours? Oh child...

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#81  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@ConanTheStoner: Agreed with everything you said, but I do think that the openings for Ocarina through to Wind Waker were actually pretty cool. Well paced, interesting, not padded out, not overly tutorializing.

Then Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword happened.

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@GarGx1 said:

Perfection is exactly what it should mean. If a perfect score is unattainable then so be it

lmao

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I think it's pretty good. It's a game that you can pick up and play for hours without an end, and it really is fun. Although the beginning can be a bit slow, I think it does a good job actually entertaining you, which is something other games forget to do. It is not perfect, of course, but I think it not only captures what has made Zelda a great franchise, and expands on it.

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@charizard1605 said:
@flyincloud1116 said:
@charizard1605 said:
@flyincloud1116 said:
@charizard1605 said:

And then I can counter with 'the reviewer felt that the areas it fell short objectively didn't mar him from feeling the game was a 10 overall.' They did for you (and for me actually, I feel the game is nowhere close to a 10), but that doesn't make you more right or him more wrong.

Question. Where areas in the game make it not being a 10? Some areas like mechanics and frame rate are not opinion based, but it it doesn't hurt your experience then that's another story. If you do have these issues then the game may not indeed be a 10.

I feel like the stealth is under developed mechanically, that the pacing is completely broken, and that the game places too much emphasis on platforming sections, which is bizarre because its platforming is terrible.

I asked you answered. Sounds like some of the reviews were just happy to have the game and overlook the flaws. Is it fun? I'm not a Zelda fan, but I love Mario and the old Kid Icarus and many other Nintendo games.

Breath of the Wild? It's really fun and it's really addictive. It is without a doubt the most sophisticated open world ever in terms of the degree of interactivity that it allows, and it's basically the kind of game I have wanted ever since I finished Wind Waker in 2003.

Will you like it? Hmmm, well I suppose it will depend on whether or not you like open world RPGs in general. If you do, then yes, you will like Breath of the Wild. I do, so this is a dream come true for me. If you don't like open world RPGs, then I suppose Breath of the Wild won't necessarily make you a convert- it might, because a lot of people who don't like open worlds love it. But it's more of a crapshoot at that point.

I'm enjoying Horizon and I thought I wasn't, so I may get Zelda for play with my son.

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@charizard1605 said:
@AtariKidX said:

I agree.....it is a big disappointment and massively overrated

This must be the most overrated game ever. It just a open world zelda game,monotonous and boring,ugly graphics and boring music. It is just a open world clone game from others a lot better open world games like Witcher 3 but with nice cartoon graphics for 8 years old kids.I have the game for the WiiU but it is boring,a good game but not a great game,not even close a 10/10 game.The graphics are ugly,not even at PS3 best games level graphics,clumsy gameplay,the world feels empty and unfinished and i got bored very easy.

I am playing the game and i am simply not enjoying it so far. I also don't understand why people are giving either 10 score reviews......... Witcher 3 is a true masterpiece open world game and a true 10/10 Game but Zelda: Breath of the Wild can't even touch the quality of the Witcher 3 in any aspects.

In general this game is just a giant middle finger to anyone who loves Nintendo and specifically the Zelda franchise. I'm convinced these perfect score reviews are all hired interns with Nintendo to ensure their stock doesn't plummet farther than it already has.

I'm waiting for the picture

Happy......??

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@uninspiredcup said:
@ghosts4ever said:

of course its not. its same nintendo rehash since 80s. but its zelda game. its gonna rated perfect and LOL at 98% on metacritic. best games on earth struggle to get 90.

Bethesda games get completely slaughtered for performance issues and poor graphics, Skyrim being the ultimate whipping boy. Even when "The Enhanced Edition" was release people hopped on to highlight how poor the graphics were even tough it was basically a Remaster of a last generation title.

Nintendo? £300 console? £50 game? 20fps? Terrible textures? Free pass.

Darksiders II was what? 2012?

Here's a game running on a console that will cost you three-four GTX 980's, at a whopping 24fps.

You do realize that your saltiness is doing nothing but entertaining those playing and enjoying the hell out of this game, right?

I mean, why make yourself the thread clown with shit like this? lol

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@AtariKidX: as I said in the other thread, it only took you three days. Enjoy the game!

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#88  Edited By deactivated-5c18005f903a1
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According to GS review guide 10/10 means 'Essential' not 'perfect'.

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@flyincloud1116: if you like Horizon, then you should like Zelda, yeah. I say go for it.

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#90  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@Thunderdrone said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@ghosts4ever said:

of course its not. its same nintendo rehash since 80s. but its zelda game. its gonna rated perfect and LOL at 98% on metacritic. best games on earth struggle to get 90.

Bethesda games get completely slaughtered for performance issues and poor graphics, Skyrim being the ultimate whipping boy. Even when "The Enhanced Edition" was release people hopped on to highlight how poor the graphics were even tough it was basically a Remaster of a last generation title.

Nintendo? £300 console? £50 game? 20fps? Terrible textures? Free pass.

Darksiders II was what? 2012?

Here's a game running on a console that will cost you three-four GTX 980's, at a whopping 24fps.

You do realize that your saltiness is doing nothing but entertaining those playing and enjoying the hell out of this game, right?

I mean, why make yourself the thread clown with shit like this? lol

When Halflife 2 was released (actual masterpiece) Valve, like Crytek, could have easily gunned for high end pc's, leaving everyone else out of the loop. Instead they deliberately (ingeniously) designed the game for lower end machines while retaining incredible art-style.

Breath Of The Wild was unable to do this. Yet, it's on one of the most expensive pieces of hardware on the market.

Enjoy.

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Seems like the game I wished Skyward Sword was.

If it weren't for Nintendo's drive to put a thousand-and-one motion control mini-games into that game it could've been a 10/10 too perhaps.

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@Thunderdrone said:
@GarGx1 said:

Perfection is exactly what it should mean. If a perfect score is unattainable then so be it

lmao

If you like your reviews to be entirely subjective then that's up to you, I'd rather they be accurate on the game performance as well as adding subjectivity into the mix. To declare a game a "perfect score" it shouldn't have performance issues.

Just to make it clear I haven't played BotW and I don't own a 1-2 Switch or Wii U, my view is on the reviewing process in general and it's not aimed at Zelda, if you'd read my first post, you'd have got that.

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@uninspiredcup: Art style is subjective, not sure about the clipping though!

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#94  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@GarGx1 said:
@Thunderdrone said:
@GarGx1 said:

Perfection is exactly what it should mean. If a perfect score is unattainable then so be it

lmao

If you like your reviews to be entirely subjective then that's up to you, I'd rather they be accurate on the game performance as well as adding subjectivity into the mix. To declare a game a "perfect score" it shouldn't have performance issues.

Just to make it clear I haven't played BotW and I don't own a 1-2 Switch or Wii U, my view is on the reviewing process in general and it's not aimed at Zelda, if you'd read my first post, you'd have got that.

10/10 does not mean perfect, however. And a review scale where something can't attain the highest score is in effect 1-9 scoring scale.

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@ghosts4ever said:
@koko-goal said:
@ghosts4ever said:

of course its not. its same nintendo rehash since 80s. but its zelda game. its gonna rated perfect and LOL at 98% on metacritic. best games on earth struggle to get 90.

Please say you are just trolling and not serious... please?

so this is perfect piece of art. a masterpiece. deserve 10/10. 100 on metacritic and anyone who say otherwise is trolling or not serious..

come on my friend. this game doesnot have anything that we have not seen in gaming before. we have seen open wold games many times. we have seen link and zelda many times.

the fact is its zelda, its nintendo, rely on nostalgia. it will receive perfect 10. so will new mario game. despite its not even deserve nowhere near.

All I got from this is, is you haven't played it all. You're doing you're "only doom" is good trolling.

3/10.

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@charizard1605 said:

@flyincloud1116: if you like Horizon, then you should like Zelda, yeah. I say go for it.

Thanks bro, it will have to be behind Nier.

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@charizard1605: I'd just prefer them to be assessed on multiple aspects, not just "I really like this game". A reviewer is absolutely allowed to add their opinion on the game in their review but it should take the performance, non subjective, aspects into account as well.

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@jcrame10: Shut UP

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Sony fanboys and their irony.

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@GarGx1: To be fair, all reviews for Zelda DO take these objective aspects into account- they just say that where they're an issue, they don't detract from the game experience at all. This is the reason the game has received its high scores.