Can we all admit now that Blu Ray was a terrible idea for the PS3 to begin with?

Sony is loosing so much money that they can't have a price cut for the PS3, so as a result it's getting murdered by the competition this holiday season. It's games are not selling very well either. People seem to think of it primarily as a Blu Ray player based on BR disc sales vs. PS3 game sales.

If the PS3 would have just stuck with plain ole dvds from the start like Nintendo and Microsoft this gen they could have started off on a good foot at say $400. By now they would be selling PS3s at $299 or less and be competitive or even on top right about now.

Does anyone still think Blu Ray was the right move for the PS3?

I wanted HD movies anyway, and using Blu-Ray in PS3 helped bring a swift end to a format war that should probably never have happened in the first place. I get to watch HD movies on my PS3, and the HD format had the full backing of the movie industry rather than fragmented. Also, MGS4 was badass and it pushed the format pretty friggin' hard.

What's hitting Sony harder than anything else is the economic crisis. Everything is taking a hit, especially the makers of high-end consumer products like Sony.

I wanted HD movies anyway, and using Blu-Ray in PS3 helped bring a swift end to a format war that should probably never have happened in the first place. I get to watch HD movies on my PS3, and the HD format had the full backing of the movie industry rather than fragmented. Also, MGS4 was badass and it pushed the format pretty friggin' hard.

What's hitting Sony harder than anything else is the economic crisis. Everything is taking a hit, especially the makers of high-end consumer products like Sony.

Timstuff

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I wanted HD movies anyway, and using Blu-Ray in PS3 helped bring a swift end to a format war that should probably never have happened in the first place. I get to watch HD movies on my PS3, and the HD format had the full backing of the movie industry rather than fragmented. Also, MGS4 was badass and it pushed the format pretty friggin' hard.

What's hitting Sony harder than anything else is the economic crisis. Everything is taking a hit, especially the makers of high-end consumer products like Sony.

Bigboi500

I agree. Not to mention Blu-Ray reads games a bit slower, making us need those installs. Blu-Ray movies are nice, but I would prefer my games without the installs.LittleHands134

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"]I agree. Not to mention Blu-Ray reads games a bit slower, making us need those installs. Blu-Ray movies are nice, but I would prefer my games without the installs.110million

Sony had to to complete with HD-DVD in the format war. Plus, every Sony system post-PSOne has debuted a new media standard.SpruceCaboose

I realise hind-sight is 20/20, but think of what might have been: Persona 4 would have been made on PS3 instead of PS2 if the user base was bigger, SE would have kept FFXIII exclusive, DQX might have been exclusive to PS3, many more devs would have stayed exclusive to PS3.

I bet without Blu Ray being forced onto PS3 the system would have about 5 million or more extra owners right now.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]

I wanted HD movies anyway, and using Blu-Ray in PS3 helped bring a swift end to a format war that should probably never have happened in the first place. I get to watch HD movies on my PS3, and the HD format had the full backing of the movie industry rather than fragmented. Also, MGS4 was badass and it pushed the format pretty friggin' hard.

What's hitting Sony harder than anything else is the economic crisis. Everything is taking a hit, especially the makers of high-end consumer products like Sony.

Bigboi500

You have this point wrong... Having blu-ray in the PS3 was for the benefit of sony in general as sony is not solely a gaming company. This helped them with the format war and now that everything is bly-ray they are making royalties on every movie sold. So putting the blu-ray player in the ps3 war basically a win-win situation for sony. Not so much for us though.

quick question how do you know why sony won't price drop or the if there losing money???yes the 360 is selling a lot. but hey a 199 console around the holiday will do that. sony got murdered last year holiday as well and there still in business. if sony not sweating why should you???sireclaborn

Remember when Sega bit the dust? That was a sad day for all gamers. I hope the PS3 don't end up like the Dreamcast did. Think of all the awesome games we missed out on when the Dreamcast went under. Since then Sega has developed only a few good titles for other systems.

Sony had to to complete with HD-DVD in the format war. Plus, every Sony system post-PSOne has debuted a new media standard.SpruceCaboose

Exactly without Blu-Ray there wouldn't be a PS3. People need to look at how the PS systems have evolved over the years.

Sony is loosing so much money that they can't have a price cut for the PS3, so as a result it's getting murdered by the competition this holiday season. It's games are not selling very well either. People seem to think of it primarily as a Blu Ray player based on BR disc sales vs. PS3 game sales.

If the PS3 would have just stuck with plain ole dvds from the start like Nintendo and Microsoft this gen they could have started off on a good foot at say $400. By now they would be selling PS3s at $299 or less and be competitive or even on top right about now.

Does anyone still think Blu Ray was the right move for the PS3?

Bigboi500

Blu ray is the only thing keeping the ps3 afloat :lol:Gh0st_Of_0nyx

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Blu ray is the only thing keeping the ps3 afloat :lol:Bigboi500

The Blu-ray may be a reason I pick up a PS3. Though it will be in the future when it is $200

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Blu ray is the only thing keeping the ps3 afloat :lol:Bigboi500

Sony had to to complete with HD-DVD in the format war. Plus, every Sony system post-PSOne has debuted a new media standard.SpruceCaboose

No, Blu-Ray helped the PS3 sell through 2007 and with Blu-ray you dont have to deal with inferior quality multi-disc games.EVOLV3

No, Blu-Ray helped the PS3 sell through 2007 and with Blu-ray you dont have to deal with inferior quality multi-disc games.EVOLV3

dude SOny didn't care about gaming. They wanted the format to win against HD DVD and basically be the last video format. It worked. Now they just have to hope dvds die and HDTV really take off. This happens the money lost this gen will be small in the gains they make in the future.too_much_eslim

Sony is loosing so much money that they can't have a price cut for the PS3, so as a result it's getting murdered by the competition this holiday season. It's games are not selling very well either. People seem to think of it primarily as a Blu Ray player based on BR disc sales vs. PS3 game sales.

If the PS3 would have just stuck with plain ole dvds from the start like Nintendo and Microsoft this gen they could have started off on a good foot at say $400. By now they would be selling PS3s at $299 or less and be competitive or even on top right about now.

Does anyone still think Blu Ray was the right move for the PS3?

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]No, Blu-Ray helped the PS3 sell through 2007 and with Blu-ray you dont have to deal with inferior quality multi-disc games.Gh0st_Of_0nyx

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="EVOLV3"]No, Blu-Ray helped the PS3 sell through 2007 and with Blu-ray you dont have to deal with inferior quality multi-disc games.EVOLV3

Lets name some terrible single disk inferior ps3 games while were at it:

Lair(4.5 flop)

Rachet & clank (7.5 flop)

Motrostorm (flop)

Resistance 1 (8.5 flop)

Fallout 3 (Multiplat flop 8.5 ?? :lol: )

It's just too bad that the PS3 couldn't use blu ray and dvd9 for games. It's like if they wanted the best polished highest quality games they can use blu ray but for other games they could've used dvd9 or what not. Oh well. Maybe next time. Oh yeah, they shouldn't have gutted the PS2 BC.

Uh, to be honest, Blu Ray isn't the reason I bought it, but I definately love the fact that I have one, Blu Ray is such a good picture, it's simply amazing.Franklinstein

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Blu ray is the only thing keeping the ps3 afloat :lol:Bigboi500

I'm kind of on the fence about how I feel about it. I love Blu Ray on the PS3, but at the same time I see how from a business standpoint Sony might have made a mistake. But then again, if Blu Ray takes off the way Sony hopes it does then they will probably make back alot of the money lost. I doubt they would risk Blu Ray if they didnt think there was a reward to reap. carljohnson3456

Sony doesn't have a good track record with that kind of stuff really(betamax anyone?)... however I think blu ray will eventually take off, once blu ray drives for the computer become more mainstream.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Blu ray is the only thing keeping the ps3 afloat :lol:sireclaborn

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Blu ray is the only thing keeping the ps3 afloat :lol:sireclaborn

I love Blu-Ray The PS3 is the best deal going for gaming! Wi-FI out of the box large HDD, Blu-Ray player and free online play. I am having trouble finding a downside to this for $399.00

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]Uh, to be honest, Blu Ray isn't the reason I bought it, but I definately love the fact that I have one, Blu Ray is such a good picture, it's simply amazing.carljohnson3456

It's just too bad that the PS3 couldn't use blu ray and dvd9 for games. It's like if they wanted the best polished highest quality games they can use blu ray but for other games they could've used dvd9 or what not. Oh well. Maybe next time. Oh yeah, they shouldn't have gutted the PS2 BC.

one_on_one

[QUOTE="one_on_one"]

It's just too bad that the PS3 couldn't use blu ray and dvd9 for games. It's like if they wanted the best polished highest quality games they can use blu ray but for other games they could've used dvd9 or what not. Oh well. Maybe next time. Oh yeah, they shouldn't have gutted the PS2 BC.

sireclaborn

Sony could have and should have followed MS' example and made the BD player an add-on attachment. Then their gaming system could have been launched 6 months earlier (it was delayed because of the BD diodes) at a much lower price point and it would be a heck of a lot more competitive today.

And they could still have released a BD attachment for relatively cheap for those who wanted it. The attachment would still have been the best BD buy and they would still have won the format war, since all they needed was relative parity in unit/player sales and they won the day through their movie studio strategy anyway (e.g. even if they only sold half as many add-on drives they still would have won)

As well, they made the decision to include a standard HDD so they already had a storage advantage over the 360. And they wouldn't have needed so many installs anyway because most of those are directly related to the BD read/transfer speed.

The only thing they would have given up is the potential multi-disk issue (see my comments on a standard HDD) and the security/scratching aspects of the disks themselves. Minor value reductions compared to what they have given up because of timing and price.

Sony's strategy was disastrous and poorly thought out from the beginning.

Sony is loosing so much money that they can't have a price cut for the PS3, so as a result it's getting murdered by the competition this holiday season. It's games are not selling very well either. People seem to think of it primarily as a Blu Ray player based on BR disc sales vs. PS3 game sales.

If the PS3 would have just stuck with plain ole dvds from the start like Nintendo and Microsoft this gen they could have started off on a good foot at say $400. By now they would be selling PS3s at $299 or less and be competitive or even on top right about now.

Does anyone still think Blu Ray was the right move for the PS3?

Bigboi500