Not sure where the term "Halo-Killer" originated, but I don't understand how any game more or less one on another console could "kill" another game... I do not think the Killzone series has failed, I enjoyed Killzone 2, and the Killzone 3 beta, and being that I hold the belief that even a game with one dedicated player is not a failure I must say Killzone games not in that boat.
Can we finally conclude that Killzone, as a series, has failed to kill Halo?
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halo was killed along time ago see timesplitters series
timesplitters is halo and a whole lot more
its the funner version of it and goldeneye with that said , theres no need to say finally ,
halo was dead for me after 2 and it didnt even compare to the fun i had in goldeneye pd or timesplitters 1-3
lets do a comparision
which has more characters to choose from ts /halo -timesplitters easily wins there
more maps out of box--timesplitters again wins there
map maker-ts had it first halo 3 just forged it lol love the name cause thats exactly where bungie got its forge idea from
online ---see pc games way before halo -ts 3 added online to its series -to bad its not on no more if it was id still be playing it
coop duke nukem 64 had this feature first but ts is more funner then halo any way so
and deathmatch etc-see goldeneye
with that said , timesplitters and other games have performed alot more better in every debt before halo even came on tothe scene
The Spider-Man movie series is actually one of the top for generated income and it still sucks! Same applies for Black Ops. Imo both are amazing games and I think its a matter of preference. I personally could not get into Halo unless I was playing with my friends on split-screen. However, Killzone felt FAMAZING to me and I've really enjoyed the series so far. Also, just the fact that you people are fighting over these things is just sad. There's a lot more imortant things in life than either of these game.
Dude you are 100% right. I loved TS series.halo was killed along time ago see timesplitters series
timesplitters is halo and a whole lot more
its the funner version of it and goldeneye with that said , theres no need to say finally ,
halo was dead for me after 2 and it didnt even compare to the fun i had in goldeneye pd or timesplitters 1-3
lets do a comparision
which has more characters to choose from ts /halo -timesplitters easily wins there
more maps out of box--timesplitters again wins there
map maker-ts had it first halo 3 just forged it lol love the name cause thats exactly where bungie got its forge idea from
online ---see pc games way before halo -ts 3 added online to its series -to bad its not on no more if it was id still be playing it
coop duke nukem 64 had this feature first but ts is more funner then halo any way so
and deathmatch etc-see goldeneye
with that said , timesplitters and other games have performed alot more better in every debt before halo even came on tothe scene
mariokart64fan
halo was killed along time ago see timesplitters series
timesplitters is halo and a whole lot more
its the funner version of it and goldeneye with that said , theres no need to say finally ,
halo was dead for me after 2 and it didnt even compare to the fun i had in goldeneye pd or timesplitters 1-3
lets do a comparision
which has more characters to choose from ts /halo -timesplitters easily wins there
more maps out of box--timesplitters again wins there
map maker-ts had it first halo 3 just forged it lol love the name cause thats exactly where bungie got its forge idea from
online ---see pc games way before halo -ts 3 added online to its series -to bad its not on no more if it was id still be playing it
coop duke nukem 64 had this feature first but ts is more funner then halo any way so
and deathmatch etc-see goldeneye
with that said , timesplitters and other games have performed alot more better in every debt before halo even came on tothe scene
mariokart64fan
Halo was utter crap after the very first game, I got a whole lot more of enjoyment out of Killzone then Halo (excluding Combat Evolved).
00Killaz00
Yeah, let's pretend that explains why all the Halo games have received AAA scores, while the first KZ scored embarrassingly low, the second one high, and then the third low again. Like a roller coaster. :lol:
[QUOTE="00Killaz00"]
Halo was utter crap after the very first game, I got a whole lot more of enjoyment out of Killzone then Halo (excluding Combat Evolved).
SHR3DD3D
Yeah, let's pretend that explains why all the Halo games have received AAA scores, while the first KZ scored embarrassingly low, the second one high, and then the third low again. Like a roller coaster. :lol:
KZ3 scored low? News to me.[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]
[QUOTE="00Killaz00"]
Halo was utter crap after the very first game, I got a whole lot more of enjoyment out of Killzone then Halo (excluding Combat Evolved).
soulitane
Yeah, let's pretend that explains why all the Halo games have received AAA scores, while the first KZ scored embarrassingly low, the second one high, and then the third low again. Like a roller coaster. :lol:
KZ3 scored low? News to me.8.5 is a flop score for a massively hyped game like KZ3.
KZ3 scored low? News to me.[QUOTE="soulitane"]
[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]
Yeah, let's pretend that explains why all the Halo games have received AAA scores, while the first KZ scored embarrassingly low, the second one high, and then the third low again. Like a roller coaster. :lol:
SHR3DD3D
8.5 is a flop score for a massively hyped game like KZ3.
It might be a flop but that doesn't mean that it's a low score, it's ridiculous to think that plain and simple.[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]
[QUOTE="soulitane"] KZ3 scored low? News to me.
soulitane
8.5 is a flop score for a massively hyped game like KZ3.
It might be a flop but that doesn't mean that it's a low score, it's ridiculous to think that plain and simple.8.5 would be low (under expectations), AAAE normal (met expectations) and a 10 high (surpassing expectations). What's more to it?
It might be a flop but that doesn't mean that it's a low score, it's ridiculous to think that plain and simple.[QUOTE="soulitane"]
[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]
8.5 is a flop score for a massively hyped game like KZ3.
SHR3DD3D
8.5 would be low (under expectations), AAAE normal (met expectations) and a 10 high (surpassing expectations). What's more to it?
Yes it did score lower than expected but the actual score is not low, under no circumstances is the actual score of 8.5 low, a game might be a flop but 8.5 is still a fairly high score.[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]
[QUOTE="soulitane"]It might be a flop but that doesn't mean that it's a low score, it's ridiculous to think that plain and simple.
soulitane
8.5 would be low (under expectations), AAAE normal (met expectations) and a 10 high (surpassing expectations). What's more to it?
Yes it did score lower than expected but the actual score is not low, under no circumstances is the actual score of 8.5 low, a game might be a flop but 8.5 is still a fairly high score.Once again, 8.5 might not sound low but it's important to take into account the game we're talking about. In this case the most hyped game of 2011, KZ3. Therefore, an 8.5 is automatically a low score, no matter how you try to spin it.
KZ3 was expected to improve on KZ2 and score at least 9.5, of course critics and fanboys were mad.
Yes it did score lower than expected but the actual score is not low, under no circumstances is the actual score of 8.5 low, a game might be a flop but 8.5 is still a fairly high score.[QUOTE="soulitane"]
[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]
8.5 would be low (under expectations), AAAE normal (met expectations) and a 10 high (surpassing expectations). What's more to it?
SHR3DD3D
Once again, 8.5 might not sound low but it's important to take into account the game we're talking about. In this case the most hyped game of 2011, KZ3. Therefore, an 8.5 is automatically a low score, no matter how you try to spin it.
KZ3 was expected to improve on KZ2 and score at least 9.5, of course critics and fanboys were mad.
I'm not trying to spin it in any way, just like Alan Wake it was hyped and flopped and just like Alan Wake it has a high score. If you can't see that then I'm done with this since there's nothing else to say because 8.5 is a high score which is a fact.[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]
[QUOTE="soulitane"] Yes it did score lower than expected but the actual score is not low, under no circumstances is the actual score of 8.5 low, a game might be a flop but 8.5 is still a fairly high score.
soulitane
Once again, 8.5 might not sound low but it's important to take into account the game we're talking about. In this case the most hyped game of 2011, KZ3. Therefore, an 8.5 is automatically a low score, no matter how you try to spin it.
KZ3 was expected to improve on KZ2 and score at least 9.5, of course critics and fanboys were mad.
I'm not trying to spin it in any way, just like Alan Wake it was hyped and flopped and just like Alan Wake it has a high score. If you can't see that then I'm done with this since there's nothing else to say because 8.5 is a high score which is a fact.I agree AW scored low, as well.
It was hotly anticipated, developed for many years, and finally expected to be a fantastic game that could very well score a 10. It's a fact AW scored low, just ask any reviewer.
[QUOTE="Szminsky"]
[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]
The point is that there is a difference between hype and sales. Even if there is a game that won't do well in sales, it may be hyped to death by the gaming community.
You pretty much stated, with your links, that ODST was going to sell more than KZ2, which it did, and which everyone also knew ODST would do. However, that had nothing to do with the hype of both games.
KZ2 was hyped to death for a very long time by cows and other people to score AAAE, nothing more. Some even aimed at a 10.
ODST was hyped to simply be a great Halo expansion, in the AAE range. Nothing more.
SHR3DD3D
I guess we have different understandings of what the term "hype" means then (marketing, advertisement fanbase etc). The Halo community is x times larger than the KZ community. GO figure :)
And no I didn't flee from this thread. And please... odst wasn't considered to be an expansion before release (or maybe you can find me another thread on the GS forums), it just turned out be be one... and incredibly overrated aswell (to no surprise) :)
Don't pretend not to know that hype has little to do with sales here on GameSpot, it just makes you look bad. I'm sure you don't want to be laughed at? :)
Yeah, of course ODST was overrated. :roll: Every Halo game has to be overrated for scoring high. Obviously critics don't get to like them. :roll: Your opinion should also rule the world. :roll:
Yes thank you, I believe so aswell, my opinion should rule ALL! :)
Yes I get that alot of people on the GS forum have their own terms for things. I'm just trying to show you that theres a world outside the box. That Flop doesn't mean a lesser score than predicted on one site. It actually refers to game for which the production and marketing costs greatly exceeded the revenue regained.
The term "flop" has been twisted and abused to oblivion on these forums, it's simply a term now used by fanboys to bash a game, no matter how good it is. "Hype" has suffered the same treatment. I refuse to degrade myself to this level, I'm a gamer that owns the 3 major game systems, and don't restrict myself to a certain camp. You bash a game simply because it scored 0.5 lower and call it "flopzone" just to annoy people. You don't own this game, nor played it.. a sign of being insecure. But I guess this is system wars afterall where raging fanboys come to ventilate.
And again.. yes, the whole Halo franchise is in this generation generic and overrated. That is my opinion, you should be in awe.
[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]
[QUOTE="Szminsky"]
I guess we have different understandings of what the term "hype" means then (marketing, advertisement fanbase etc). The Halo community is x times larger than the KZ community. GO figure :)
And no I didn't flee from this thread. And please... odst wasn't considered to be an expansion before release (or maybe you can find me another thread on the GS forums), it just turned out be be one... and incredibly overrated aswell (to no surprise) :)
Szminsky
Don't pretend not to know that hype has little to do with sales here on GameSpot, it just makes you look bad. I'm sure you don't want to be laughed at? :)
Yeah, of course ODST was overrated. :roll: Every Halo game has to be overrated for scoring high. Obviously critics don't get to like them. :roll: Your opinion should also rule the world. :roll:
Yes thank you, I believe so aswell, my opinion should rule ALL! :)
Yes I get that alot of people on the GS forum have their own terms for things. I'm just trying to show you that theres a world outside the box. That Flop doesn't mean a lesser score than predicted on one site. It actually refers to game for which the production and marketing costs greatly exceeded the revenue regained.
The term "flop" has been twisted and abused to oblivion on these forums, it's simply a term now used by fanboys to bash a game, no matter how good it is. "Hype" has suffered the same treatment. I refuse to degrade myself to this level, I'm a gamer that owns the 3 major game systems, and don't restrict myself to a certain camp. You bash a game simply because it scored 0.5 lower and call it "flopzone" just to annoy people. You don't own this game, nor played it.. a sign of being insecure. But I guess this is system wars afterall where raging fanboys come to ventilate.
And again.. yes, the whole Halo franchise is in this generation generic and overrated. That is my opinion, you should be in awe.
Killzone 3 was hyped to score AAAE, that's why it flopped. :D People really thought it could outdo and improve on KZ2, however, it instead went the other way, with an even more awful story line, worse multiplayer and weaker campaign mode. People calling it flopzone instead of Killzone only indicates that the game flopped, which it did. Nothing wrong there. :)
At least I give credit where it's due, unlike fanboys like you. If KZ were actually an excellent franchise, I along other people would praise it. However, since you are Sony fanboy, no matter how good Halo got, you'd always loathe it due to the fact that it's not on the PS3.
Also, me saying flopzone does not indicate that I hate or bash the game, only that it scored 8.5, fell under expectations, and flopped.
[QUOTE="Szminsky"]
[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]
Don't pretend not to know that hype has little to do with sales here on GameSpot, it just makes you look bad. I'm sure you don't want to be laughed at? :)
Yeah, of course ODST was overrated. :roll: Every Halo game has to be overrated for scoring high. Obviously critics don't get to like them. :roll: Your opinion should also rule the world. :roll:
SHR3DD3D
Yes thank you, I believe so aswell, my opinion should rule ALL! :)
Yes I get that alot of people on the GS forum have their own terms for things. I'm just trying to show you that theres a world outside the box. That Flop doesn't mean a lesser score than predicted on one site. It actually refers to game for which the production and marketing costs greatly exceeded the revenue regained.
The term "flop" has been twisted and abused to oblivion on these forums, it's simply a term now used by fanboys to bash a game, no matter how good it is. "Hype" has suffered the same treatment. I refuse to degrade myself to this level, I'm a gamer that owns the 3 major game systems, and don't restrict myself to a certain camp. You bash a game simply because it scored 0.5 lower and call it "flopzone" just to annoy people. You don't own this game, nor played it.. a sign of being insecure. But I guess this is system wars afterall where raging fanboys come to ventilate.
And again.. yes, the whole Halo franchise is in this generation generic and overrated. That is my opinion, you should be in awe.
Killzone 3 was hyped to score AAAE, that's why it flopped. :D People really thought it could outdo and improve on KZ2, however, it instead went the other way, with an even more awful story line, worse multiplayer and weaker campaign mode. People calling it flopzone instead of Killzone only indicates that the game flopped, which it did. Nothing wrong there. :)
At least I give credit where it's due, unlike fanboys like you. If KZ were actually an excellent franchise, I along other people would praise it. However, since you are Sony fanboy, no matter how good Halo got, you'd always loathe it due to the fact that it's not on the PS3.
Also, me saying flopzone does not indicate that I hate or bash the game, only that it scored 8.5, fell under expectations, and flopped.
You're so wrong on so many levels, and its clear as a bright, sunny California day how biased and fanboyish you are, you don't even read my posts. I OWN the wii, PS3 AND the 360, and you call me a sony fanboy for defending a game of a franchise I really admire against an insecure Lemming such as yourself, who hasn't 1: played the game 2: doesn't own a ps3 and 3: doesn't read other posts.
I can get ALL the games you so zealously praise, and can actually form an opinion based on experience and reason. You bash a game that HASN'T even come out yet, that has scored roughly in between 8.5-9 across gaming sites so far. You make these posts with a sole PURPOSE to annoy the gaming community. You're simply not a gamer, you have no shame. You call it "flopzone" NOT because it got a GREAT score, or because it hasnt sold well... you do it to annoy people, admit it.
And to add another point: it is widely recognized that KZ3 has improved on All aspects from KZ2, EXCEPT the story. The AI, gunplay, controls, graphics, MP, sound design: ALL these aspects have been IMPROVED upon as a general concensous. You're talking out of your hat, and if you actually READ the reviews, instead of just looking at a score, you would see reason. Theres no point for me arguing with you anymore. I run across people like you everyday on forums such as these. You use circular reasoning, and flawed logic, just to bash games that you can't play. Have a nice day, I'm done with you.
I thought KZ2's MP was attrocious and the SP was below average for shooters. The controls just destroyed that game, and I wasn't going to wait for Guerilla to fix such a massive flaw. So I sold it for Infamous, NOW thats a great game. Played KZ3 beta for a few hours and it wasn't anything special. Good not great, but just more of the same. On the brightside they fixed the miserable controls for the most part.
Halo 1/2>KZ
Halo 3>KZ2
Halo Reach>KZ3
I don't buy console games for graphics becaues that is the dumbest thing anyone could do. Gameplay is what makes console games good, not outdated barely 720p graphics.
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