Can we finally conclude that Killzone, as a series, has failed to kill Halo?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Who cares, now that Bungie is gone Halo is going to kill itself.

sts106mat

This is what cracks me up about the term "Halo fanboy,": as if people who enjoy Halo games are a unified force trying to squash all fans of other shooters. There isn't even anything closely resembling a consensus among us about which games were quality and which ones weren't. I loved Reach, ODST, and 2, but thought 1 and 3 were meh (1 especially with the horribly repetitive level designs). So it makes the comparison to KZ a little tough if we can't pick out which games bring out the best in the series.

Sure, with five Bungie made Halo's all scoring AAA and only 1 of 3 KZ's scoring AAA, yeah, No Halo kiila here and the only Halo killa this gen is Reach since it sorta killed Halo 3's on-line numbers. :P

We can conclude that Halo fanboys are pathetic

Orchid87

I don't even like Halo particularly much, and haven't played it for perhaps at least half a year, any Halo game. There are better and more enjoyable games to play. I'm just stating facts here, and nothing but the facts. :)

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] no I have to disagree it killed it self with bungie halo reach not being good in the least in my opinion.romans828_2002

This is what cracks me up about the term "Halo fanboy,": as if people who enjoy Halo games are a unified force trying to squash all fans of other shooters. There isn't even anything closely resembling a consensus among us about which games were quality and which ones weren't. I loved Reach, ODST, and 2, but thought 1 and 3 were meh (1 especially with the horribly repetitive level designs). So it makes the comparison to KZ a little tough if we can't pick out which games bring out the best in the series.

graphics: kz>halo

sound quality: kz>halo

AI: kz > halo

animations: kz>halo

story: kz=halo

mp: halo>kz

there you have it folks, halo is just a fan favorite in NA over KZ, that will be all.

ZoomZoom2490

you forgot

campaign: halo.KZ

co-op: halo>KZ

replayabilty: halo>KZ

Soundtrack:halo>KZ

also, Halo's story is way, WAY better than that sorry excuse for a story which is KZs. Everything else i agree with.

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

graphics: kz>halo

sound quality: kz>halo

AI: kz > halo

animations: kz>halo

story: kz=halo

mp: halo>kz

there you have it folks, halo is just a fan favorite in NA over KZ, that will be all.

gamedude234

you forgot

campaign: halo.KZ

co-op: halo>KZ

replayabilty: halo>KZ

Soundtrack:halo>KZ

also, Halo's story is way, WAY better than that sorry excuse for a story which is KZs. Everything else i agree with.

I think they are both very enjoyable but KZ2 is very flawed the original is complete garbage and I haven't played 3 yet so I couldn't say but from the first 2 I'd say that Halo is a HUGE game there is tons to do and the popularity is huge as well and KZ is the opposite.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

graphics: kz>halo

sound quality: kz>halo

AI: kz > halo

animations: kz>halo

story: kz=halo

mp: halo>kz

there you have it folks, halo is just a fan favorite in NA over KZ, that will be all.

Wisely321

you forgot

campaign: halo.KZ

co-op: halo>KZ

replayabilty: halo>KZ

Soundtrack:halo>KZ

also, Halo's story is way, WAY better than that sorry excuse for a story which is KZs. Everything else i agree with.

you're telling me that that horrible story in KZ1 and 2 is better than any of the halo campaigns? please. The story in KZ3 was so bad that it forced GS to give it AA, instead of AAA. In Halo, there is so much depth in the story, it beats lord of the rings and star wars. KZs story is your typical "kill the aliens!" story.

KZ trilogy in a nutshell:

Humanity achieves space travel

Some humans land on the planet Helghan.

They adapt to the planets harsh conditions and mutate into the helghast.

The other humans declare war on the helghast.

done.

i really hope you're not saying that any KZ is more repayable than reach right? because that is simply fact. reach has more features and reliability than KZ. FACT.

KZ3s co-op is plagued by framerate issues and is only 2 player split-screen. Halo 3, a 4 year-old game, has 4 player online co-op.

the soundtrack is really hard to disagree with. i understand opinion and all, but really? c'mon. listen to ODSTs, CEs, and Reachs soundtracks, then come back to me. Halo 2s, and 3s are excellent as well.

Who cares, now that Bungie is gone Halo is going to kill itself.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

graphics: kz>halo

sound quality: kz>halo

AI: kz > halo

animations: kz>halo

story: kz=halo

mp: halo>kz

there you have it folks, halo is just a fan favorite in NA over KZ, that will be all.

Wisely321

you forgot

campaign: halo.KZ

co-op: halo>KZ

replayabilty: halo>KZ

Soundtrack:halo>KZ

also, Halo's story is way, WAY better than that sorry excuse for a story which is KZs. Everything else i agree with.

Even replayability, for real? :lol:

I assume that's why the Killzone 2 community was pretty much dead shortly after release, while Reach racks up some impressive numbers, and Halo 3 attracted 1 million unique Gold members on a daily basis, 2 years after release?

Yeah, exactly!

Or not...

The KZ multiplayer is simply lackluster, compared to Halo's. GG are not close to being as creative, unique and talented as Bungie.

After completing the, at best mediocre, campaign, KZ players didn't really have much else to do than play the poorly made multiplayer, which they grew tired of within weeks. :(

In Halo, there is so much depth in the story, it beats lord of the rings and star wars. gamedude234

i could care less what the scores say, i have more fun playing the kz3 beta then i ever did playing any halo game. also, the fact that GS gave ODST a 9 (lol)pretty much indicates that they were scoring that game purely on hype.

i could care less what the scores say, i have more fun playing the kz3 beta then i ever did playing any halo game. also, the fact that GS gave ODST a 9 (lol)pretty much indicates that they were scoring that game purely on hype.

Laxer04

1. ODST was barely hyped. Most were aware that it was an expansion pack, not a full game, thus merely few were really looking forward to it.

2. ODST is a high-quality expansion pack developed by the greatest at Bungie. Calling it a "meh" game only shows that you haven't played it. Play it. It's really good.

3. You're just mad it outscored your Killzone 3. An expansion pack made by a handful of Bungie developers, outscoring your hotly anticipated Killzone 3. Sad. 9.0 > 8.5.

Nothing is going to Kill Halo it is a stong series, but Killzone does a few things better.wooooode

i agree.... but halo is just streatching it out as much as they can and make moneyz

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Who cares, now that Bungie is gone Halo is going to kill itself.

Solid_Tango

[QUOTE="Wisely321"][QUOTE="gamedude234"]

you forgot

campaign: halo.KZ

co-op: halo>KZ

replayabilty: halo>KZ

Soundtrack:halo>KZ

also, Halo's story is way, WAY better than that sorry excuse for a story which is KZs. Everything else i agree with.

gamedude234

you're telling me that that horrible story in KZ1 and 2 is better than any of the halo campaigns? please. The story in KZ3 was so bad that it forced GS to give it AA, instead of AAA. In Halo, there is so much depth in the story, it beats lord of the rings and star wars. KZs story is your typical "kill the aliens!" story.

KZ trilogy in a nutshell:

Humanity achieves space travel

Some humans land on the planet Helghan.

They adapt to the planets harsh conditions and mutate into the helghast.

The other humans declare war on the helghast.

done.

i really hope you're not saying that any KZ is more repayable than reach right? because that is simply fact. reach has more features and reliability than KZ. FACT.

KZ3s co-op is plagued by framerate issues and is only 2 player split-screen. Halo 3, a 4 year-old game, has 4 player online co-op.

the soundtrack is really hard to disagree with. i understand opinion and all, but really? c'mon. listen to ODSTs, CEs, and Reachs soundtracks, then come back to me. Halo 2s, and 3s are excellent as well.

Killzone KO's every single Halo game in graphics..... FACT!

I like them both and I'm glad they both exist.

killzone 1 and halo 1 were the **** theyre both equal in gameplay (just killzone had better graphics and sound and ai)

Halo 2 > Killzone 2 (no doubt)

Halo 3 and others (excluding reach) < Killzone 1 and 2 (besides online but it gets old quick... COD ftw)

done deal

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Who cares, now that Bungie is gone Halo is going to kill itself.

Solid_Tango

And 343i already said that's what they specifically DO NOT want.

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Who cares, now that Bungie is gone Halo is going to kill itself.

MobilechicaneX

And 343i already said that's what they specifically DO NOT want.

343i? whats that?

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Who cares, now that Bungie is gone Halo is going to kill itself.

MobilechicaneX

And 343i already said that's what they specifically DO NOT want.

[QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"] Pretty much this, M$ Already stated that they want halo to be a yearly franchise.mejiseike

And 343i already said that's what they specifically DO NOT want.

343i? whats that?

343 Industries. It's the MS group, made up partly of people from Bungie including Frank O'Connor, that now handle everything and anything about the Halo franchise.

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]

[QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]

And 343i already said that's what they specifically DO NOT want.

VoodooHak

343i? whats that?

343 Industries. It's the MS group, made up partly of people from Bungie including Frank O'Connor, that now handle everything and anything about the Halo franchise.

Nice maybe they wont make anymore halo games.... its gonna be the new mario!! lol jk marios tight, i still play the old one on my phone :)

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

Considering the game is not even trying to be like halo, I dont see how it can possibly kill Halo, games are nothing a like.

BlbecekBobecek

Nice to see someone who is not braindead on SW :-) Whoever tryed both Killzone 2 and any Halo knows that those two games dont even compete with each other. Halo is typical run and gun shooter (like Unreal Tournament, Quake, etc.), while Killzone 2 is realistic atmospheric shooter where you are dead after 3 bullets and you have to cover all the time (like FEAR, etc. - I think first shooter of this kind was actually Counterstrike). Those are two completely different subgenres of FPS (and the difference is similar to real time strategy vs turn-based strategy).

Personally, I never ever liked gun n run shooters (guess its because I suck at them), but I absolutely love realistic shooters. And Killzone is without any doubt the very best realistic shooter there is. So did it kill HALO? Not at all. Did Starcraft kill Chess? :D

For me personally HALO isnt anything that needs to be killed, since I barely ever enjoyed playing it, although the first one wasnt that bad.

Smart guy right here. Resistance is far more comparable to Halo, which explains why I can't stand it.

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

Considering the game is not even trying to be like halo, I dont see how it can possibly kill Halo, games are nothing a like.

Pug-Nasty

Nice to see someone who is not braindead on SW :-) Whoever tryed both Killzone 2 and any Halo knows that those two games dont even compete with each other. Halo is typical run and gun shooter (like Unreal Tournament, Quake, etc.), while Killzone 2 is realistic atmospheric shooter where you are dead after 3 bullets and you have to cover all the time (like FEAR, etc. - I think first shooter of this kind was actually Counterstrike). Those are two completely different subgenres of FPS (and the difference is similar to real time strategy vs turn-based strategy).

Personally, I never ever liked gun n run shooters (guess its because I suck at them), but I absolutely love realistic shooters. And Killzone is without any doubt the very best realistic shooter there is. So did it kill HALO? Not at all. Did Starcraft kill Chess? :D

For me personally HALO isnt anything that needs to be killed, since I barely ever enjoyed playing it, although the first one wasnt that bad.

Smart guy right here. Resistance is far more comparable to Halo, which explains why I can't stand it.

Aww dude i forgot about Resistance.... those games are way better and the 3rd one is coming out :)

theyre just too short... online is awesome tho so it makes up for it

[QUOTE="Laxer04"]

i could care less what the scores say, i have more fun playing the kz3 beta then i ever did playing any halo game. also, the fact that GS gave ODST a 9 (lol)pretty much indicates that they were scoring that game purely on hype.

SHR3DD3D

1. ODST was barely hyped. Most were aware that it was an expansion pack, not a full game, thus merely few were really looking forward to it.

2. ODST is a high-quality expansion pack developed by the greatest at Bungie. Calling it a "meh" game only shows that you haven't played it. Play it. It's really good.

3. You're just mad it outscored your Killzone 3. An expansion pack made by a handful of Bungie developers, outscoring your hotly anticipated Killzone 3. Sad. 9.0 > 8.5.

Killzone KO's every single Halo game in graphics..... FACT!

Adamantium4k2

Killzone KO's every single Halo game in graphics..... FACT!

Adamantium4k2

[QUOTE="Adamantium4k2"]

Killzone KO's every single Halo game in graphics..... FACT!

Doolz2024

I think he ment KillzoneSSS

[QUOTE="Laxer04"]

i could care less what the scores say, i have more fun playing the kz3 beta then i ever did playing any halo game. also, the fact that GS gave ODST a 9 (lol)pretty much indicates that they were scoring that game purely on hype.

SHR3DD3D

1. ODST was barely hyped. Most were aware that it was an expansion pack, not a full game, thus merely few were really looking forward to it.

2. ODST is a high-quality expansion pack developed by the greatest at Bungie. Calling it a "meh" game only shows that you haven't played it. Play it. It's really good.

3. You're just mad it outscored your Killzone 3. An expansion pack made by a handful of Bungie developers, outscoring your hotly anticipated Killzone 3. Sad. 9.0 > 8.5.

oh i've played ODST and was absolutely shocked that they could charge 60$ for an expansion pack. Me, along with many of my friends who also love halo, will never buy a halo game again because of ODST. biggest rip off this gen and possibly in the history of gaming.

Nope, Killzone never killed Halo, neither in sales, popularity, or reviews. And, even though Halo will not have anymore games in the future, I still think it will be a long time, if ever, before we see a game kill Halo.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]In Halo, there is so much depth in the story, it beats lord of the rings and star wars. kuraimen

no i am dead serious. the halo trilogy has had a good enough story to spawn numerous books(all canon). Halo has many religious references, and a backstory thats as important as the trilogy itself. The story stretches from 100,000 years to 500 years in the future. has KZ achieved that?

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]

343i? whats that?

sts106mat

343 Industries. It's the MS group, made up partly of people from Bungie including Frank O'Connor, that now handle everything and anything about the Halo franchise.

no, Bungie is the one that is constantly updating and patching reach. 343 industries are the ones that did halo waypoint, and that are doing the future halo games. :)

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="Laxer04"]

i could care less what the scores say, i have more fun playing the kz3 beta then i ever did playing any halo game. also, the fact that GS gave ODST a 9 (lol)pretty much indicates that they were scoring that game purely on hype.

Laxer04

1. ODST was barely hyped. Most were aware that it was an expansion pack, not a full game, thus merely few were really looking forward to it.

2. ODST is a high-quality expansion pack developed by the greatest at Bungie. Calling it a "meh" game only shows that you haven't played it. Play it. It's really good.

3. You're just mad it outscored your Killzone 3. An expansion pack made by a handful of Bungie developers, outscoring your hotly anticipated Killzone 3. Sad. 9.0 > 8.5.

oh i've played ODST and was absolutely shocked that they could charge 60$ for an expansion pack. Me, along with many of my friends who also love halo, will never buy a halo game again because of ODST. biggest rip off this gen and possibly in the history of gaming.

I remember when it as going to be cheap but MS knew halo fans would fall for it and pay 60 bucks for an expansion pack.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="gamedude234"]In Halo, there is so much depth in the story, it beats lord of the rings and star wars. gamedude234

no i am dead serious. the halo trilogy has had a good enough story to spawn numerous books(all canon). Halo has many religious references, and a backstory thats as important as the trilogy itself. The story stretches from 100,000 years to 500 years in the future. has KZ achieved that?

Im sorry the halo video game stories imo were all boring. reason for books were merchandise. Halo made alot of money so they kept pumping out books and even a anime movie. IIf KZ2 had made the money that halo made in sales sony would do the same exact thing. Its called being a good buisness man. Hell look at gears of war. Story for that game was trash but it sold million thus it kept getting books to sell for the fans.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] :|:|:|:|:|:lol: You are joking right? :|finalfantasy94

no i am dead serious. the halo trilogy has had a good enough story to spawn numerous books(all canon). Halo has many religious references, and a backstory thats as important as the trilogy itself. The story stretches from 100,000 years to 500 years in the future. has KZ achieved that?

Im sorry the halo video game stories imo were all boring. reason for books were merchandise. Halo made alot of money so they kept pumping out books and even a anime movie. IIf KZ2 had made the money that halo made in sales sony would do the same exact thing. Its called being a good buisness man. Hell look at gears of war. Story for that game was trash but it sold million thus it kept getting books to sell for the fans.

we should compare the whole halo series vs FF7.... seems more legit haha

but thats not even fair... we all know who wins there hehe

[QUOTE="SpArKs424"]

Killzone is all flash and never produced a game as solid as halo sorry to say fanboys . Weak story , Great multiplayer but still idk something about the game i PERSONALLY dont like . and doesnt have the customization halo does so people cant get creative .

jg4xchamp

read the books ****

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

Nice to see someone who is not braindead on SW :-) Whoever tryed both Killzone 2 and any Halo knows that those two games dont even compete with each other. Halo is typical run and gun shooter (like Unreal Tournament, Quake, etc.), while Killzone 2 is realistic atmospheric shooter where you are dead after 3 bullets and you have to cover all the time (like FEAR, etc. - I think first shooter of this kind was actually Counterstrike). Those are two completely different subgenres of FPS (and the difference is similar to real time strategy vs turn-based strategy).

Personally, I never ever liked gun n run shooters (guess its because I suck at them), but I absolutely love realistic shooters. And Killzone is without any doubt the very best realistic shooter there is. So did it kill HALO? Not at all. Did Starcraft kill Chess? :D

For me personally HALO isnt anything that needs to be killed, since I barely ever enjoyed playing it, although the first one wasnt that bad.

mejiseike

Smart guy right here. Resistance is far more comparable to Halo, which explains why I can't stand it.

Aww dude i forgot about Resistance.... those games are way better and the 3rd one is coming out :)

theyre just too short... online is awesome tho so it makes up for it

Short? Resistance felt long as hell, I didn't get very far in R2 though, so I don't know about that. I lost my save point in R1 so I never finished it. I don't really like the bullet sponginess of the game.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="gamedude234"]In Halo, there is so much depth in the story, it beats lord of the rings and star wars. gamedude234

no i am dead serious. the halo trilogy has had a good enough story to spawn numerous books(all canon). Halo has many religious references, and a backstory thats as important as the trilogy itself. The story stretches from 100,000 years to 500 years in the future. has KZ achieved that?

Wow. Flipping through the last 4 pages since I last posted just reminded me of why I stopped coming to this board. :? Seriously, **** this ****. I'm leaving.

was it ever really supposed to be a ''Halo Killer''

I mean the only similiarities are, FPS, Future, Aliens. everything else is done completely different. if anything, Resistence 2 seemed to be angled more towards being a ''Halo Killer'', even that statement feels like a big stretch.

I will admit, I've a lot less experience with these franchises than Halo. (just a few mp games of each)

they're too similiar to kill eachother.

in both games your just shooting at things, doesn't matter what they're wearing or what your weapons look like it is still the same.

no unique gameplay aspects that haven't been seen before.

and both have average stories.

and most people who buy killzone will also buy halo.

they're too similiar to kill eachother.

in both games your just shooting at things, doesn't matter what they're wearing or what your weapons look like it is still the same.

no unique gameplay aspects that haven't been seen before.

and both have average stories.

and most people who buy killzone will also buy halo.

PcGamingRig

if you follow that logic then CounterStrike is the same as Call of Duty, and that just makes me want to kick a baby

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Smart guy right here. Resistance is far more comparable to Halo, which explains why I can't stand it.

Pug-Nasty

Aww dude i forgot about Resistance.... those games are way better and the 3rd one is coming out :)

theyre just too short... online is awesome tho so it makes up for it

Short? Resistance felt long as hell, I didn't get very far in R2 though, so I don't know about that. I lost my save point in R1 so I never finished it. I don't really like the bullet sponginess of the game.

idk actually we are talking about shooters so... i guess they were about average lol and ya i did the same in the first one. second one i beat tho :)