Can we finally conclude that Killzone, as a series, has failed to kill Halo?

[QUOTE="BigBoss154"]

[QUOTE="walkingdream"] I must admit when i had the beta i didn't play botzone but i would say reach elites kill KZ2 enemy AI. Story however i prefer the Halos, but i guess that's subjective. Carry onwalkingdream

Killzone 2's AI is unmatched on consoles. Only FEAR comes close. On elite difficulty, anyway. Unlike most games *coughcallofdutycough*, the enemy behaves differently on higher levels.

Halo's was OK, but they seemed derpy to me most of the time.

as long as there is breath in one 360 fanboy's lungs, halo will never be "killed." its similar to other vastly overrated games, such as FF7. It will never be "killed" no matter how many superior games in the same genre are released before and after.

most reasonable gamers should be able to see by now that Halo is overrated and uninnovative. I dont see how people can even debate whether or not killzone 2 is better than Halo 3 or Reach. just look at the campaign in killzone 2

- Killzone 2 has far more grit and atmosphere

- Killzone 2 has more diverse, imaginative, large scale locations

- killzone 2 has better graphics (just referring to technical aspects such as frame-rate, textures, lighting, and resolution)

- In Killzone 2, the controls have more weight and realism behind them

- In the halo games, the engine is arcady and outdated

- killzone 2 has smarter AI

- in killzone 2 the cinematic presentation is way further up to date with current gen (this is something that really makes it better than halo)

- killzone 2 has a brilliant cover system

as for the multiplayer, alot is up to personal preference. honestly, I dont care about all the modes and customization featured in Halo Reach. The online multiplayer still plays and feels exactly like every other halo game that has come before it.

[QUOTE="walkingdream"][QUOTE="BigBoss154"]

Killzone 2's AI is unmatched on consoles. Only FEAR comes close. On elite difficulty, anyway. Unlike most games *coughcallofdutycough*, the enemy behaves differently on higher levels.

Halo's was OK, but they seemed derpy to me most of the time.

BigBoss154

I don't doubt single Elite's AI. Meaning one on their own. They're great, what I mean is everything else.

What impressed me about Killzone so much was the way the Helghast work in teams. Two would try to flank you from either side, while the one in front would throw a grenade so you're forced to move out of cover. Once you're moving away, the two Helghast that flanked you shoot you at the same time, killing you before you even knew how you died. Sometimes they play dead, too. They would lie on the floor, and once you move your crosshair to another enemy, they quickly get up and run to cover. It's pretty awesome. :P

Who cares, now that Bungie is gone Halo is going to kill itself.

Wasdie

Killzone 2 and 3 were more enjoyable than Halo 2 and 3, just sayin'. Scores don't matter anything

Sgt_Crow

Microsoft is the Halo killer. Personally, I haven't played a console shooter (or PC shooter to be honest) that has come close to matching the hours & amount of fun I had playing Halo 3. Halo ODST would be at second, not only because of the Halo 3 multiplayer disk, but Firefight was awesome in ODST as well (I think they killed it in Reach).

as long as there is breath in one 360 fanboy's lungs, halo will never be "killed." its similar to other vastly overrated games, such as FF7. It will never be "killed" no matter how many superior games in the same genre are released before and after.

most reasonable gamers should be able to see by now that Halo is overrated and uninnovative. I dont see how people can even debate whether or not killzone 2 is better than Halo 3 or Reach. just look at the campaign in killzone 2

- Killzone 2 has far more grit and atmosphereIf by "grit" you mean different shades of gray with the occasional blue and orange to differentiate between ISA and Hellghast, then sure. While the atmosphere in KZ2 is great, there's no way you can deny Reach sets up some awe inspiring moments to due to the soundtrack.

- Killzone 2 has more diverse, imaginative, large scale locations See my first point since the color scheme still makes the backdrops seem "sameish".

- killzone 2 has better graphics (just referring to technical aspects such as frame-rate, textures, lighting, and resolution) True

- In Killzone 2, the controls have more weight and realism behind them Preference. Personally, I just kill, kill, kill regardless of the control scheme, but whatever.

- In the halo games, the engine is arcady and outdated Arcady? Now you're just pulling words out of thin air. And Reach still produces some good lighting and explosion effects.

- killzone 2 has smarter AI KZ2 still has an edge in this department, though I have to wonder if you've ever played a Halo game on Legendary.

- in killzone 2 the cinematic presentation is way further up to date with current gen (this is something that really makes it better than halo) I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean, but if it makes your arguement sound pretty than more power to you.

- killzone 2 has a brilliant cover system Point? There hasn't been a need for one in Halo and I don't see why it needs one now.

as for the multiplayer, alot is up to personal preference. honestly, I dont care about all the modes and customization featured in Halo Reach. The online multiplayer still plays and feels exactly like every other halo game that has come before it.

arbitor365

Signed by your "unreasonable 360 fanboy".

On a side note, it's good to be back on SW. 8)

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

as long as there is breath in one 360 fanboy's lungs, halo will never be "killed." its similar to other vastly overrated games, such as FF7. It will never be "killed" no matter how many superior games in the same genre are released before and after.

most reasonable gamers should be able to see by now that Halo is overrated and uninnovative. I dont see how people can even debate whether or not killzone 2 is better than Halo 3 or Reach. just look at the campaign in killzone 2

- Killzone 2 has far more grit and atmosphereIf by "grit" you mean different shades of gray with the occasional blue and orange to differentiate between ISA and Hellghast, then sure. While the atmosphere in KZ2 is great, there's no way you can deny Reach sets up some awe inspiring moments to due to the soundtrack.

- Killzone 2 has more diverse, imaginative, large scale locations See my first point since the color scheme still makes the backdrops seem "sameish".

- killzone 2 has better graphics (just referring to technical aspects such as frame-rate, textures, lighting, and resolution) True

- In Killzone 2, the controls have more weight and realism behind them Preference. Personally, I just kill, kill, kill regardless of the control scheme, but whatever.

- In the halo games, the engine is arcady and outdated Arcady? Now you're just pulling words out of thin air. And Reach still produces some good lighting and explosion effects.

- killzone 2 has smarter AI KZ2 still has an edge in this department, though I have to wonder if you've ever played a Halo game on Legendary.

- in killzone 2 the cinematic presentation is way further up to date with current gen (this is something that really makes it better than halo) I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean, but if it makes your arguement sound pretty than more power to you.

- killzone 2 has a brilliant cover system Point? There hasn't been a need for one in Halo and I don't see why it needs one now.

as for the multiplayer, alot is up to personal preference. honestly, I dont care about all the modes and customization featured in Halo Reach. The online multiplayer still plays and feels exactly like every other halo game that has come before it.

SpiritOfFire117

Signed by your "unreasonable 360 fanboy".

On a side note, it's good to be back on SW. 8)

While Halo on legendary is definitely challenging, it achieves this in a totally BS way, kind of like Resistance.

Although Killzone 2 isn't perfect at difficulty scaling, it certainly beats the others. :P That said, the last checkpoint in Killzone 2 was hell on Elite =/

What does killing it even mean? Sounds silly to me. Both Halo and Killzone seems like a fun series so I don't see what the problem is.

While Halo on legendary is definitely challenging, it achieves this in a totally BS way, kind of like Resistance.

Although Killzone 2 isn't perfect at difficulty scaling, it certainly beats the others. :P That said, the last checkpoint in Killzone 2 was hell on Elite =/

SilverChimera

I just restarted the campaign on Elite, and I have nightmares already. :cry:

Killzone could never kill Halo, Halo influenced every console FPS somehow, and yet still betters them all. KZ is still a solid series, but not much else

Killzone could never kill Halo, Halo influenced every console FPS somehow, and yet still betters them all. KZ is still a solid series, but not much else

OB-47

Considering the game is not even trying to be like halo, I dont see how it can possibly kill Halo, games are nothing a like.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Killzone could never kill Halo, Halo influenced every console FPS somehow, and yet still betters them all. KZ is still a solid series, but not much else

iwasgood2u

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Killzone could never kill Halo, Halo influenced every console FPS somehow, and yet still betters them all. KZ is still a solid series, but not much else

iwasgood2u

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

as long as there is breath in one 360 fanboy's lungs, halo will never be "killed." its similar to other vastly overrated games, such as FF7. It will never be "killed" no matter how many superior games in the same genre are released before and after.

most reasonable gamers should be able to see by now that Halo is overrated and uninnovative. I dont see how people can even debate whether or not killzone 2 is better than Halo 3 or Reach. just look at the campaign in killzone 2

- Killzone 2 has far more grit and atmosphereIf by "grit" you mean different shades of gray with the occasional blue and orange to differentiate between ISA and Hellghast, then sure. While the atmosphere in KZ2 is great, there's no way you can deny Reach sets up some awe inspiring moments to due to the soundtrack.

- Killzone 2 has more diverse, imaginative, large scale locations See my first point since the color scheme still makes the backdrops seem "sameish".

- killzone 2 has better graphics (just referring to technical aspects such as frame-rate, textures, lighting, and resolution) True

- In Killzone 2, the controls have more weight and realism behind them Preference. Personally, I just kill, kill, kill regardless of the control scheme, but whatever.

- In the halo games, the engine is arcady and outdated Arcady? Now you're just pulling words out of thin air. And Reach still produces some good lighting and explosion effects.

- killzone 2 has smarter AI KZ2 still has an edge in this department, though I have to wonder if you've ever played a Halo game on Legendary.

- in killzone 2 the cinematic presentation is way further up to date with current gen (this is something that really makes it better than halo) I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean, but if it makes your arguement sound pretty than more power to you.

- killzone 2 has a brilliant cover system Point? There hasn't been a need for one in Halo and I don't see why it needs one now.

as for the multiplayer, alot is up to personal preference. honestly, I dont care about all the modes and customization featured in Halo Reach. The online multiplayer still plays and feels exactly like every other halo game that has come before it.

SilverChimera

Signed by your "unreasonable 360 fanboy".

On a side note, it's good to be back on SW. 8)

While Halo on legendary is definitely challenging, it achieves this in a totally BS way, kind of like Resistance.

Although Killzone 2 isn't perfect at difficulty scaling, it certainly beats the others. :P That said, the last checkpoint in Killzone 2 was hell on Elite =/

oh dear god, that was challenging. I literally spent 2 hours on that. dam that useless Rico :P

Halo series 50 million copies sold.

Killzone 2 million?

jimmypsn

cuz halo was way over hyped... and theres like 8 halos or something and all but halo 1 2 and reach sucked

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

Halo series 50 million copies sold.

Killzone 2 million?

mejiseike

cuz halo was way over hyped... and theres like 8 halos or something and all but halo 1 2 and reach sucked

Please just stop. You have no idea what your talking about.

Killzone 2 was good, but Reach was better. And it is impossible for Killzone to "kill" Halo, because they aren't even on the same system :?

Who cares, now that Bungie is gone Halo is going to kill itself.

Question for the OP: Have you or Have you not actually ever played Killzone?

I dun see why they can't live side by side in this world, the two games are very different in gameplay terms, I dun see the compitition, not to mention Halo is exteremly overrated, every installment is a copy of its predeccesor plus multiplayer new features, how could OSTD score AAA?!!!! I will never know, but that proves my point Halo is destined to score AAA regardless of how little it adds to the formula, everyone loves the formula, the masses and the reviewers but professionally OSTD should have scored A-AA.

Considering the game is not even trying to be like halo, I dont see how it can possibly kill Halo, games are nothing a like.

GTSaiyanjin2

Nice to see someone who is not braindead on SW :-) Whoever tryed both Killzone 2 and any Halo knows that those two games dont even compete with each other. Halo is typical run and gun shooter (like Unreal Tournament, Quake, etc.), while Killzone 2 is realistic atmospheric shooter where you are dead after 3 bullets and you have to cover all the time (like FEAR, etc. - I think first shooter of this kind was actually Counterstrike). Those are two completely different subgenres of FPS (and the difference is similar to real time strategy vs turn-based strategy).

Personally, I never ever liked gun n run shooters (guess its because I suck at them), but I absolutely love realistic shooters. And Killzone is without any doubt the very best realistic shooter there is. So did it kill HALO? Not at all. Did Starcraft kill Chess? :D

For me personally HALO isnt anything that needs to be killed, since I barely ever enjoyed playing it, although the first one wasnt that bad.

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I dun see why they can't live side by side in this world, the two games are very different in gameplay terms, I dun see the compitition, not to mention Halo is exteremly overrated, every installment is a copy of its predeccesor plus multiplayer new features, how could OSTD score AAA?!!!! I will never know, but that proves my point Halo is destined to score AAA regardless of how little it adds to the formula, everyone loves the formula, the masses and the reviewers but professionally OSTD should have scored A-AA.

you have no idea what you're talking about :lol: you're not even spelling the game right!

I dun see why they can't live side by side in this world, the two games are very different in gameplay terms, I dun see the compitition, not to mention Halo is exteremly overrated, every installment is a copy of its predeccesor plus multiplayer new features, how could OSTD score AAA?!!!! I will never know, but that proves my point Halo is destined to score AAA regardless of how little it adds to the formula, everyone loves the formula, the masses and the reviewers but professionally OSTD should have scored A-AA.

omho88

Killzone was never meant to kill the Halo franchise, it didn't even try to emulate Halo's gameplay. COD would be a closer comparison in this regard with KZ3.

I dun see why they can't live side by side in this world, the two games are very different in gameplay terms, I dun see the compitition, not to mention Halo is exteremly overrated, every installment is a copy of its predeccesor plus multiplayer new features, how could OSTD score AAA?!!!! I will never know, but that proves my point Halo is destined to score AAA regardless of how little it adds to the formula, everyone loves the formula, the masses and the reviewers but professionally OSTD should have scored A-AA.

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I dun see why they can't live side by side in this world, the two games are very different in gameplay terms, I dun see the compitition, not to mention Halo is exteremly overrated, every installment is a copy of its predeccesor plus multiplayer new features, how could OSTD score AAA?!!!! I will never know, but that proves my point Halo is destined to score AAA regardless of how little it adds to the formula, everyone loves the formula, the masses and the reviewers but professionally OSTD should have scored A-AA.

you have no idea what you're talking about :lol: you're not even spelling the game right!

I dun see why they can't live side by side in this world, the two games are very different in gameplay terms, I dun see the compitition, not to mention Halo is exteremly overrated, every installment is a copy of its predeccesor plus multiplayer new features, how could OSTD score AAA?!!!! I will never know, but that proves my point Halo is destined to score AAA regardless of how little it adds to the formula, everyone loves the formula, the masses and the reviewers but professionally OSTD should have scored A-AA.

I will agree that killzone is awesome, just not on the same level as halo.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

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I dun see why they can't live side by side in this world, the two games are very different in gameplay terms, I dun see the compitition, not to mention Halo is exteremly overrated, every installment is a copy of its predeccesor plus multiplayer new features, how could OSTD score AAA?!!!! I will never know, but that proves my point Halo is destined to score AAA regardless of how little it adds to the formula, everyone loves the formula, the masses and the reviewers but professionally OSTD should have scored A-AA.

omho88

you have no idea what you're talking about :lol: you're not even spelling the game right!

ah, well the correct spelling is ODST. fair enough.

Anyway, i found ODST to have an excellent 6-hour long SP(longer than many FPSs these days). It was extremely nonlinear, had a large variety of missions, an excellent soundtrack, a pretty good way of storytelling(and original, at least in the gaming world), and some nice new weapons. It also had firefight, and the complete halo 3 MP.

I don't know why people say t was 60$.:? i got it for £20 2 weeks after launch.

Score speaks for itself? All the Halos have scored 9.0 or above with the exception of Halo wars. Killzone 1 nabbed a 6.9, Killzone 2 grabbed a 9.0 and Killzone 3 went in reverse with an 8.5

So. . What? What does this mean?

AncientDozer

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"]

Score speaks for itself? All the Halos have scored 9.0 or above with the exception of Halo wars. Killzone 1 nabbed a 6.9, Killzone 2 grabbed a 9.0 and Killzone 3 went in reverse with an 8.5

So. . What? What does this mean?

kuraimen

nice

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="AncientDozer"]

Score speaks for itself? All the Halos have scored 9.0 or above with the exception of Halo wars. Killzone 1 nabbed a 6.9, Killzone 2 grabbed a 9.0 and Killzone 3 went in reverse with an 8.5

So. . What? What does this mean?

sts106mat

those who played all KZ games and enjoyed them, surely wont care whether or not KZ was a 'Halo' Killer..

I may be in the minority here but i prefare the KZ series over Halo, however both are great...

KZ was a good game with many flaws, KZ: Liberation was a great shooter for PSP, KZ2 was just amazing & i'm positive KZ3 will be a great game.. cant wait till i get the game later on this month :)

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] in your opinion.sts106mat

Yup. Halo > Flopzone.

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well yeah like reviews are also opinions. In this case overrated opinions.kuraimen

how about backing up your opinion with facts?

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="omho88"]

I dun see why they can't live side by side in this world, the two games are very different in gameplay terms, I dun see the compitition, not to mention Halo is exteremly overrated, every installment is a copy of its predeccesor plus multiplayer new features, how could OSTD score AAA?!!!! I will never know, but that proves my point Halo is destined to score AAA regardless of how little it adds to the formula, everyone loves the formula, the masses and the reviewers but professionally OSTD should have scored A-AA.

omho88