Can we finally conclude that Killzone, as a series, has failed to kill Halo?

killzone 1 and halo 1 were the **** theyre both equal in gameplay (just killzone had better graphics and sound and ai)

Halo 2 > Killzone 2 (no doubt)

Halo 3 and others (excluding reach) < Killzone 1 and 2 (besides online but it gets old quick... COD ftw)

done deal

mejiseike

Well, actually:

Halo: 9.7.

Killzone: 6.9.

Yeah, not even close.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] :|:|:|:|:|:lol: You are joking right? :|kuraimen

no i am dead serious. the halo trilogy has had a good enough story to spawn numerous books(all canon). Halo has many religious references, and a backstory thats as important as the trilogy itself. The story stretches from 100,000 years to 500 years in the future. has KZ achieved that?

you do have a point. I think its because many players like playing as humans, and not super-advanced ancient aliens. :P

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] :|:|:|:|:|:lol: You are joking right? :|finalfantasy94

no i am dead serious. the halo trilogy has had a good enough story to spawn numerous books(all canon). Halo has many religious references, and a backstory thats as important as the trilogy itself. The story stretches from 100,000 years to 500 years in the future. has KZ achieved that?

Im sorry the halo video game stories imo were all boring. reason for books were merchandise. Halo made alot of money so they kept pumping out books and even a anime movie. IIf KZ2 had made the money that halo made in sales sony would do the same exact thing. Its called being a good buisness man. Hell look at gears of war. Story for that game was trash but it sold million thus it kept getting books to sell for the fans.

care to tell me which FPS franchise has a better story than halo?

Killzone was never meant to kill Halo. That was media propaganda. I personally do not like the Halo series. I think its boring. I couldnt bring myself to finish the first two games and I tried playing the 3rd and felt like it was more of the same. I felt the same way with Killzone 1, it was boring and marred with glitches. Killzone 2 however was awesome. From Playing the beta, Killzone 3 looks to be even better.

All this talk about Halos story is based off books that came after the fact, not story told through the actual game. In that case Killzone also has a good story if you read through the background of how everything happened. Other than RPG's its tough to find a game that you will play for the engaging story. Its usually all about the graphics and gameplay. Halo imo is a bit of an overrated series and has a big following almost entirely because of its robust multiplayer options. There is no story in multiplayer. The single player games (where story would matter) left much to be desired.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

no i am dead serious. the halo trilogy has had a good enough story to spawn numerous books(all canon). Halo has many religious references, and a backstory thats as important as the trilogy itself. The story stretches from 100,000 years to 500 years in the future. has KZ achieved that?

gamedude234

Im sorry the halo video game stories imo were all boring. reason for books were merchandise. Halo made alot of money so they kept pumping out books and even a anime movie. IIf KZ2 had made the money that halo made in sales sony would do the same exact thing. Its called being a good buisness man. Hell look at gears of war. Story for that game was trash but it sold million thus it kept getting books to sell for the fans.

care to tell me which FPS franchise has a better story than halo?

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="gamedude234"]

care to tell me which FPS franchise has a better story than halo?

sts106mat

well u wouldnt judge LOTR from the movies u should judge it from the books as thats its ORIGIN..

halos origin is the video games...not the books which were written afterwards... Halos story is alright its really nothing special though.

Can we finally conclude that Killzone, as a series, has failed to kill Halo?SHR3DD3D

Obama goes hand in hand with what the thread starter is asking.

[QUOTE="campzor"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] you mean you'd be here all day trying to come up with an answer. Halo has a good story, just because it doesn't grip you personally doesn't mean its not good. LOTR is a good story, i know plenty of people who wouldn't bother reading the books though... sts106mat

well u wouldnt judge LOTR from the movies u should judge it from the books as thats its ORIGIN..

halos origin is the video games...not the books which were written afterwards... Halos story is alright its really nothing special though.

why would someone even bring up critic scores in here?

halo 1 had a good story and was good

halo 2 was ok

halo 3 sucked except online

reach was good!

idk about the other 4 games or whatever but i bet they sucked like 3 did

killzone 2 ruined it so pretty much its only killzone 1 vs the entire fanboys of halo world

resistance is a much better game to compare it to, the first one was awesome! the seconed one was even better! and the 3rd one looks amazing (tho not as good as killzone 3 lol) but the stories were great, looked good and online was awesome

and i just thought of something... if there is well over 300 millions sonys around the earth.... why is the internetz filled with xbox fanboys when theyre not even to 100 million yet? lol

Killzone was never meant to kill Halo.

mazdero

The first one failed quite bad at "killing Halo", but the second one atleast had better graphics than Halo 3. And I have to say that the third one looked better than Reach to me on the E3 persentation, but I'm not reaally interested in either series nowadays.

Games "killing" other games is just a ridicoulus statement. HOWEVER, the facts are that this generation, KZ2 outscore HALO odst on metacritic by .8 points.. and breaks even with Halo reach. Killzone 3 is at 8.7 on MC (outscoring odst)with many more reviews coming. It can go both ways. The KZ franchise has shown that it is a force to be reckoned with. But haters will still hate.

Games "killing" other games is just a ridicoulus statement. HOWEVER, the facts are that this generation, KZ2 outscore HALO odst on metacritic by .8 points.. and breaks even with Halo reach. Killzone 3 is at 8.7 on MC (outscoring odst)with many more reviews coming. It can go both ways. The KZ franchise has shown that it is a force to be reckoned with. But haters will still hate.

Szminsky

And what about Gamespot?

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Games "killing" other games is just a ridicoulus statement. HOWEVER, the facts are that this generation, KZ2 outscore HALO odst on metacritic by .8 points.. and breaks even with Halo reach. Killzone 3 is at 8.7 on MC (outscoring odst)with many more reviews coming. It can go both ways. The KZ franchise has shown that it is a force to be reckoned with. But haters will still hate.

waltefmoney

And what about Gamespot?

yes what about gamespot? Should I base the value of a game on one critics opinion? They gave the resistance and Halo series (which i don't like at all) WAY more than they deserved, as shown on MC. There's a world outside Gamespot you know, even if the system wars section of this site in itself is quite amusing.

yes what about gamespot? Should I base the value of a game on one critics opinion? They gave the resistance and Halo series (which i don't like at all) WAY more than they deserved, as shown on MC. There's a world outside Gamespot you know, even if the system wars section of this site in itself is quite amusing.

Szminsky

But Halo wins on Metacritic as well.

Games "killing" other games is just a ridicoulus statement. HOWEVER, the facts are that this generation, KZ2 outscore HALO odst on metacritic by .8 points.. and breaks even with Halo reach. Killzone 3 is at 8.7 on MC (outscoring odst)with many more reviews coming. It can go both ways. The KZ franchise has shown that it is a force to be reckoned with. But haters will still hate.

Szminsky

• Halo 2>>>>KZ1
• Halo 3>>>>KZ2
• Halo Reach>>>>KZ3
• Halo:CE>>>>>>>All

Whatever way you look at it, Killzone series has failed 3 times on the trot.

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

yes what about gamespot? Should I base the value of a game on one critics opinion? They gave the resistance and Halo series (which i don't like at all) WAY more than they deserved, as shown on MC. There's a world outside Gamespot you know, even if the system wars section of this site in itself is quite amusing.

waltefmoney

But Halo wins on Metacritic as well.

Halo 3 yes indeed. I'm just tired of people taking the piss on a current gen well deservedAAA franchise, that is just about even with the Halo franchise this gen.

Halo 3 yes indeed. I'm just tired of people taking the piss on a current gen well deservedAAA franchise, that is just about even with the Halo franchise this gen.

Szminsky

Halo 3(94) > Killzone 2(91)
Halo Reach(91) > Killzone 3(87)

It's not even.

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Halo 3 yes indeed. I'm just tired of people taking the piss on a current gen well deservedAAA franchise, that is just about even with the Halo franchise this gen.

waltefmoney

Halo 3(94) > Killzone 2(91)
Halo Reach(91) > Killzone 3(87)

It's not even.

Halo 3 (9.4)> Killzone 2 (9.1) = Halo Reach (9.1) .... Killzone 3 (8.7 UNDECISIVE)> Halo odst (8.3)= Pretty even to me

Halo = 3 games

Killzone = 2 games

Halo 3 (9.4)> Killzone 2 (9.1) = Halo Reach (9.1) .... Killzone 3 (8.7 UNDECISIVE)> Halo odst (8.3)= Pretty even to me

Halo = 3 games

Killzone = 2 games

Szminsky

So the closest Killzone has ever got to a full fledged Halo game(that is not an expansion pack) is getting the same score. I wouldn't call that even.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Halo 3 yes indeed. I'm just tired of people taking the piss on a current gen well deservedAAA franchise, that is just about even with the Halo franchise this gen.

Szminsky

Halo 3(94) > Killzone 2(91)
Halo Reach(91) > Killzone 3(87)

It's not even.

Halo 3 (9.4)> Killzone 2 (9.1) = Halo Reach (9.1) .... Killzone 3 (8.7 UNDECISIVE)> Halo odst (8.3)= Pretty even to me

Halo = 3 games

Killzone = 2 games

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Games "killing" other games is just a ridicoulus statement. HOWEVER, the facts are that this generation, KZ2 outscore HALO odst on metacritic by .8 points.. and breaks even with Halo reach. Killzone 3 is at 8.7 on MC (outscoring odst)with many more reviews coming. It can go both ways. The KZ franchise has shown that it is a force to be reckoned with. But haters will still hate.

walkingdream

• Halo 2>>>>KZ1
• Halo 3>>>>KZ2
• Halo Reach>>>>KZ3
• Halo:CE>>>>>>>All

Whatever way you look at it, Killzone series has failed 3 times on the trot.

Lets stick to this gen. and i agree KZ1 was a mess.

Yes Halo franhcise outscores Killzone franchise. But you got the time frames wrong... KZ2 is, or roughlyright in between Halo 3 and reach.

besides it's funny how you mention an AAA scoring game on this siteas an "overpriced expansion pack"... gives you a hint on the credibility on the scores Gamespot hands out. ie GTAIV, MGS4, HALO 3, HALO reach :P

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Halo 3 (9.4)> Killzone 2 (9.1) = Halo Reach (9.1) .... Killzone 3 (8.7 UNDECISIVE)> Halo odst (8.3)= Pretty even to me

Halo = 3 games

Killzone = 2 games

waltefmoney

So the closest Killzone has ever got to a full fledged Halo game(that is not an expansion pack) is getting the same score. I wouldn't call that even.

One Halo game outscores the Killzone franchise this genwith .3 points. the opinions onpretty even differ.

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Games "killing" other games is just a ridicoulus statement. HOWEVER, the facts are that this generation, KZ2 outscore HALO odst on metacritic by .8 points.. and breaks even with Halo reach. Killzone 3 is at 8.7 on MC (outscoring odst)with many more reviews coming. It can go both ways. The KZ franchise has shown that it is a force to be reckoned with. But haters will still hate.

Szminsky

• Halo 2>>>>KZ1
• Halo 3>>>>KZ2
• Halo Reach>>>>KZ3
• Halo:CE>>>>>>>All

Whatever way you look at it, Killzone series has failed 3 times on the trot.

Lets stick to this gen. and i agree KZ1 was a mess.

Yes Halo franhcise outscores Killzone franchise. But you got the time frames wrong... KZ2 is, or roughlyright in between Halo 3 and reach.

besides it's funny how you mention an AAA scoring game on this siteas an "overpriced expansion pack"... gives you a hint on the credibility on the scores Gamespot hands out. ie GTAIV, MGS4, HALO 3, HALO reach :P

I think ODST is very much AAA quality. It's one of the better campaigns this Gen. However on it's own its just a single player game. It has Firefight (but no online wtf). and Halo 3 MP but like most people they already have 3 so why have it?

I think Gamespot must of decided to grade ODST based on quality rather than Quantity

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

[QUOTE="walkingdream"] What your comparing an Overpriced expansion pack with a Full game? Why not just compare games from each time frame.

• Halo 2>>>>KZ1
• Halo 3>>>>KZ2
• Halo Reach>>>>KZ3
• Halo:CE>>>>>>>All

Whatever way you look at it, Killzone series has failed 3 times on the trot.

walkingdream

Lets stick to this gen. and i agree KZ1 was a mess.

Yes Halo franhcise outscores Killzone franchise. But you got the time frames wrong... KZ2 is, or roughlyright in between Halo 3 and reach.

besides it's funny how you mention an AAA scoring game on this siteas an "overpriced expansion pack"... gives you a hint on the credibility on the scores Gamespot hands out. ie GTAIV, MGS4, HALO 3, HALO reach :P

I think ODST is very much AAA quality. It's one of the better campaigns this Gen. However on it's own its just a single player game. It has Firefight (but no online wtf). and Halo 3 MP but like most people they already have 3 so why have it?

I think Gamespot must of decided to grade ODST based on quality rather than Quantity

Well, lets just say that the killzone series this gen, really made a good stand towards the most MASSIVELY hyped, blockbusting and console moving franchise to ever graze a gaming system besides Mario.

We all know that the Halo franchise carries the the whole XBOX brand on its shoulders, heck it basically and obviously made the system to what it is today. I'm not a tinfoil conspiracy kind of person (feel free to post that pic, I like it), but it kind of makes sense that with MS's MASSIVE wallet, it wouldn't be a longshot to suppose that the multi b(tr)illion corporation had a "small" hand in scores the Halo franchise got this gen. Afterall, we all know microsoft and their tactics right? I mean business is still business.

We all know that the Halo franchise carries the the whole XBOX brand on its shoulders, heck it basically and obviously made the system to what it is today. I'm not a tinfoil conspiracy kind of person (feel free to post that pic, I like it), but it kind of makes sense that with MS's MASSIVE wallet, it wouldn't be a longshot to suppose that the multi b(tr)illion corporation had a "small" hand in scores the Halo franchise got this gen. Afterall, we all know microsoft and their tactics right? I mean business is still business.

Szminsky

Killzone was never meant to kill Halo. That was media propaganda. I personally do not like the Halo series. I think its boring. I couldnt bring myself to finish the first two games and I tried playing the 3rd and felt like it was more of the same. I felt the same way with Killzone 1, it was boring and marred with glitches. Killzone 2 however was awesome. From Playing the beta, Killzone 3 looks to be even better.

All this talk about Halos story is based off books that came after the fact, not story told through the actual game. In that case Killzone also has a good story if you read through the background of how everything happened. Other than RPG's its tough to find a game that you will play for the engaging story. Its usually all about the graphics and gameplay. Halo imo is a bit of an overrated series and has a big following almost entirely because of its robust multiplayer options. There is no story in multiplayer. The single player games (where story would matter) left much to be desired.

mazdero

Wrong. It started out as media propaganda, but, unfortunately, cows went on the hype train, presumably due to the fact that they had nothing else to do. And obviously, at that time, who wouldn't want to have such an amazing FPS exclusive, that shocked the critics with its gameplay and graphics, owned enemy factions and buried sales record? If you really think about it, it is very logical. Just sad it turned out the way it did...

Games "killing" other games is just a ridicoulus statement. HOWEVER, the facts are that this generation, KZ2 outscore HALO odst on metacritic by .8 points.. and breaks even with Halo reach. Killzone 3 is at 8.7 on MC (outscoring odst)with many more reviews coming. It can go both ways. The KZ franchise has shown that it is a force to be reckoned with. But haters will still hate.

Szminsky

I personally think it is very pathetic that you want to compare KZ2, a heavily hyped game, developed in many years, with a lot of cash poured into the development, to a Halo expansion, developed in less than a year, by a handful of Bungie developers.

It really does say a lot about the KZ franchise compared to Halo, doesn't it? :lol:

Who cares, now that Bungie is gone Halo is going to kill itself.

Wasdie

Halo and Killzone were never out for each other in the first place. Sony just wanted its "halo" and thus hyped the game to be that to get lots of attention.

The only thing Killzone has failed on is on being as overrated as Halo, otherwise they are the same thing: fun, generic fps with lousy stories.kuraimen

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Games "killing" other games is just a ridicoulus statement. HOWEVER, the facts are that this generation, KZ2 outscore HALO odst on metacritic by .8 points.. and breaks even with Halo reach. Killzone 3 is at 8.7 on MC (outscoring odst)with many more reviews coming. It can go both ways. The KZ franchise has shown that it is a force to be reckoned with. But haters will still hate.

SHR3DD3D

I personally think it is very pathetic that you want to compare KZ2, a heavily hyped game, developed in many years, with a lot of cash poured into the development, to a Halo expansion, developed in less than a year, by a handful of Bungie developers.

It really does say a lot about the KZ franchise compared to Halo, doesn't it? :lol:

Well, I like the way you call it pathetic when I'm comparing it to your favourite current gen franchise. I've stated nothing but facts, on metacritic, the current gen Killzone franchise is very close to the halo current gen franchise... by .3 points to be precise. I hope yous see that it is YOUR argument that is pathetic. And you say odst wasn't hyped as much as KZ2? enough said, have a nice day :)

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

We all know that the Halo franchise carries the the whole XBOX brand on its shoulders, heck it basically and obviously made the system to what it is today. I'm not a tinfoil conspiracy kind of person (feel free to post that pic, I like it), but it kind of makes sense that with MS's MASSIVE wallet, it wouldn't be a longshot to suppose that the multi b(tr)illion corporation had a "small" hand in scores the Halo franchise got this gen. Afterall, we all know microsoft and their tactics right? I mean business is still business.

soulitane

Comon man, it's Microsoft we're talking about here. It's common knowledge they way they're trying to monopolize the market, by introducing cheap, shady products. Think about it... Millions and millions of defective hardware units that scratch your discs, burn your house down, or simply die on you 2 weeks after purchase, and still manage to sell this amount. And lets not talk about their operating systems. They're geniuses.

Comon man, it's Microsoft we're talking about here. It's common knowledge they way they're trying to monopolize the market, by introducing cheap, shady products. Think about it... Millions and millions of defective hardware units that scratch your discs, burn your house down, or simply die on you 2 weeks after purchase, and still manage to sell this amount. And lets not talk about their operating systems. They're geniuses.

Szminsky

Okay, and how do you expect the PS2 being the best selling console of all time with millions of defective units?

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Comon man, it's Microsoft we're talking about here. It's common knowledge they way they're trying to monopolize the market, by introducing cheap, shady products. Think about it... Millions and millions of defective hardware units that scratch your discs, burn your house down, or simply die on you 2 weeks after purchase, and still manage to sell this amount. And lets not talk about their operating systems. They're geniuses.

waltefmoney

Okay, and how do you expect the PS2 being the best selling console of all time with millions of defective units?

Are you stalking me or something?

Anyway, PS2 had no where NEAR the amount of defective units the 360 had(s). An RROD factor of 50% (or was it 80%) is incredbile indeed.

Are you stalking me or something?

Anyway, PS2 had no where NEAR the amount of defective units the 360 had(s). An RROD factor of 50% (or was it 80%) is incredbile indeed.

Szminsky

So? Sony provided an unreliable product compared to the much more reliable Xbox and GameCube. So why didn't they fail? Microsoft's excuse is that they're the devil, what's Sony's?

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Are you stalking me or something?

Anyway, PS2 had no where NEAR the amount of defective units the 360 had(s). An RROD factor of 50% (or was it 80%) is incredbile indeed.

waltefmoney

So? Sony provided an unreliable product compared to the much more reliable Xbox and GameCube. So why didn't they fail? Microsoft's excuse is that they're the devil, what's Sony's?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but last gen systems all had acceptable failure rates, hand me a link that says PS2 had more hardware failures than the counterparts per capita. it's still no way NEAR the completely unacceptable 360 failure rates. For god sakes, the 360 even has it's own wikipedia page dedicated to its defective hardware. You're trying too hard and your argument is failing.

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Games "killing" other games is just a ridicoulus statement. HOWEVER, the facts are that this generation, KZ2 outscore HALO odst on metacritic by .8 points.. and breaks even with Halo reach. Killzone 3 is at 8.7 on MC (outscoring odst)with many more reviews coming. It can go both ways. The KZ franchise has shown that it is a force to be reckoned with. But haters will still hate.

Szminsky

I personally think it is very pathetic that you want to compare KZ2, a heavily hyped game, developed in many years, with a lot of cash poured into the development, to a Halo expansion, developed in less than a year, by a handful of Bungie developers.

It really does say a lot about the KZ franchise compared to Halo, doesn't it? :lol:

Well, I like the way you call it pathetic when I'm comparing it to your favourite current gen franchise. I've stated nothing but facts, on metacritic, the current gen Killzone franchise is very close to the halo current gen franchise... by .3 points to be precise. I hope yous see that it is YOUR argument that is pathetic. And you say odst wasn't hyped as much as KZ2? enough said, have a nice day :)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but last gen systems all had acceptable failure rates, hand me a link that says PS2 had more hardware failures than the counterparts per capita. it's still no way NEAR the completely unacceptable 360 failure rates. For god sakes, the 360 even has it's own wikipedia page dedicated to its defective hardware. You're trying too hard and your argument is failing.

Szminsky

How about the fact Sony got sued over defective PS2's? It's on Wikipedia too:P

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but last gen systems all had acceptable failure rates, hand me a link that says PS2 had more hardware failures than the counterparts per capita. it's still no way NEAR the completely unacceptable 360 failure rates. For god sakes, the 360 even has it's own wikipedia page dedicated to its defective hardware. You're trying too hard and your argument is failing.

waltefmoney

How about the fact Sony got sued over defective PS2's? It's on Wikipedia too:P

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but last gen systems all had acceptable failure rates, hand me a link that says PS2 had more hardware failures than the counterparts per capita. it's still no way NEAR the completely unacceptable 360 failure rates. For god sakes, the 360 even has it's own wikipedia page dedicated to its defective hardware. You're trying too hard and your argument is failing.

waltefmoney

How about the fact Sony got sued over defective PS2's? It's on Wikipedia too:P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems

The PS2 had problems with its first 2 batches, cause of hardware that was new to the market, DVDs on consoles etc, (which Xbox copied later on), an error that could be fixed at home if technical enough. BUT they adressed it within a year after launch. How many years does rrod have going for it? 5-6?

It says they got sued, but it doesn't say how high the rate was.UpJTBoogie

Well it was obviously high enough to get them sued.

[QUOTE="UpJTBoogie"]

It says they got sued, but it doesn't say how high the rate was.waltefmoney

Well it was obviously high enough to get them sued.

All it takes is one angry customer :)

[QUOTE="UpJTBoogie"]

It says they got sued, but it doesn't say how high the rate was.waltefmoney

Well it was obviously high enough to get them sued.