CD Projekt Red: PC is most powerful platform "but that might change"

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/03/08/cd-projekt-red-pc-platform/?mtc=comment-386753#comment-386753

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faizan_faizan

I think they mean, the "average" of the platform.

If the PS4 sticks to the current specs, I do think it'll be on par, if not slightly more powerful than the avrage gmaing PC out there.  That doesn't mean it will be as powerful as high end rigs, but high end rigs aren't representative of the whole PC gaming gamut of hardware.

Of course, he seems to have had a stroke or something because he also seems to ocmpletley forget that console hardware is fixed, while PC hardware continues to evolve.  So in the NEAR future, he's right, but in the actual future, he becomes very wrong, again.

I don't exactly see how. 

TW3 has the PC as it's lead platform, and CP2077 looks to be the same. By the time they finish Cyberpunk, we'll be in the middle of a GPU refresh and new CPU Architectures from Intel(Skylake) at the very least. 

I'm generally curious if he's ever going to clarify on that statement =o

I think they mean, the "average" of the platform.

If the PS4 sticks to the current specs, I do think it'll be on par, if not slightly more powerful than the avrage gmaing PC out there.  That doesn't mean it will be as powerful as high end rigs, but high end rigs aren't representative of the whole PC gaming gamut of hardware.

Of course, he seems to have had a stroke or something because he also seems to ocmpletley forget that console hardware is fixed, while PC hardware continues to evolve.  So in the NEAR future, he's right, but in the actual future, he becomes very wrong, again.

Kinthalis

saw this funny comment from a guy on PC gamer

What he's saying is this :

We as a Studio want to grow , and thus we feel it's time to play a more prominent role in the console gaming landscape.

To achieve this we need to shift our priorities to the consoles as our primary platforms.

One of the things we need to be successful on the console market , is advertising which will leave us with increased costs.

To compensate for this , we will be joining the paid DLC bandwagon.

And effectively shorten our dev cycles by optimizing our games and engine tech for console hardware, instead of putting extra dev time and cost into exotic high end PC hardware exclusive features.

We know our PC customers love these features but they represent a rather small user-base in our total market and it's just not financially feasible to cater to the needs of such a small group of people.

Instead we will bring you games equal to the console experience , take it or leave it .

We thank you all for your loyal support over the years we couldn't have done this without you !!

But we're going to play with the big boys now ..

goodbye,

PC gets no games, when it does it gets turds like Simcity and Diablo 3.

No one cares about the pc platform anymore.

PC gets no games, when it does it gets turds like Simcity and Diablo 3.

No one cares about the pc platform anymore.

EvanTheGamer

PC gets no games, when it does it gets turds like Simcity and Diablo 3.

No one cares about the pc platform anymore.

EvanTheGamer

I think they mean, the "average" of the platform.

If the PS4 sticks to the current specs, I do think it'll be on par, if not slightly more powerful than the avrage gmaing PC out there.  That doesn't mean it will be as powerful as high end rigs, but high end rigs aren't representative of the whole PC gaming gamut of hardware.

Of course, he seems to have had a stroke or something because he also seems to ocmpletley forget that console hardware is fixed, while PC hardware continues to evolve.  So in the NEAR future, he's right, but in the actual future, he becomes very wrong, again.

Kinthalis

I have no idea what's he aiming at, PC will always have a power advantage over consoles, and the gap always becomes wider as the console gen goes on, but fine, won't fault him for his statement, it's very vague, and he hasn't even explained himself properly...

I've been gaming for a very long time. I've noticed that console and PC gaming have been merging slowly with each generation. At some point, they'll be so close it won't matter anymore. I have no problem with that. But, I don't expect it "real soon." Perhaps when 4k is the norm.

PC gets no games, when it does it gets turds like Simcity and Diablo 3.

No one cares about the pc platform anymore.

EvanTheGamer

When hardware becomes software. Sure

Anyways they most likely mean average user which can easily be true at the beginning of a console launch 

I have no idea what's he aiming at, PC will always have a power advantage over consoles, and the gap always becomes wider as the console gen goes on, but fine, won't fault him for his statement, it's very vague, and he hasn't even explained himself properly...

Rocker6

eh, he doesn't give any hard evidence or facts or anything. Just mere speculation on his part and it sounds like PR crap to me to get everyone hyped for TW3 across all platforms. 

I would love if it were true cos then we would all have the same game and no compromises but PC will always have stronger hardware year in year out than a fixed system. He just sounds like he's pandering here

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

I have no idea what's he aiming at, PC will always have a power advantage over consoles, and the gap always becomes wider as the console gen goes on, but fine, won't fault him for his statement, it's very vague, and he hasn't even explained himself properly...

DrTrafalgarLaw

That's putting false words in someone's mouth and that's never a good idea. That's what sh!tty tabloid journalism does.

It's true however that a unified set of hardware is far easier to optimise for than what the PCs huge range of hardware is

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

I have no idea what's he aiming at, PC will always have a power advantage over consoles, and the gap always becomes wider as the console gen goes on, but fine, won't fault him for his statement, it's very vague, and he hasn't even explained himself properly...

DrTrafalgarLaw

The part about 9800 GT is blatantly incorrect, but you could be having a point. While consoles will never outmatch high-end gaming rigs, yeah, it's possible we'll reach a point where they can manage to outmatch most average gaming PCs.

Only, I don't see it happening so soon, for example, the PS4 hardware is an equivalent of a current mid-range PC, and will only continue to fall behind over the years. But we'll probably reach some gen where the gap will be much less wide...

Seems like they can't wait for that console money.

And yet, in the mean time, PC continues to take a big fat dump on consoles, and keeps on getting more quality games than all consoles combined.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

I have no idea what's he aiming at, PC will always have a power advantage over consoles, and the gap always becomes wider as the console gen goes on, but fine, won't fault him for his statement, it's very vague, and he hasn't even explained himself properly...

Rocker6

The part about 9800 GT is blatantly incorrect,

Might change or might not. And there is like 90% of probability it won´t.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Probably along the lines of these: We're tired of developing for PC gamers of which 10% max have the ultimate hypersuper rigs we develop our textures and lighting effects around. Most of them still run a 9800 GT, while next-gen consoles will have 1 unified hardware we can work to get maximum efficiency out. When we don't appease to that 10% with minor details like realistic moving hair, we get flak that influences over 80% of our sales.DrTrafalgarLaw

The part about 9800 GT is blatantly incorrect,

Alright, so 11,45% of the Steam userbase run an iGPU. Since when is that a majority? :?

High end gamers... they have my sympathy: 2000 dollars for 2 games a year that optimize their system, IF you can name two a year, that is...

I think they mean, the "average" of the platform.

If the PS4 sticks to the current specs, I do think it'll be on par, if not slightly more powerful than the avrage gmaing PC out there.  That doesn't mean it will be as powerful as high end rigs, but high end rigs aren't representative of the whole PC gaming gamut of hardware.

Of course, he seems to have had a stroke or something because he also seems to ocmpletley forget that console hardware is fixed, while PC hardware continues to evolve.  So in the NEAR future, he's right, but in the actual future, he becomes very wrong, again.

Kinthalis

PC gets no games, when it does it gets turds like Simcity and Diablo 3.

No one cares about the pc platform anymore.

EvanTheGamer

Diablo 3 sold more than 12 million copies. NO Xbox 360 OR Ps3 Exclusive has sold that much, in the same amount of time.

Idiot.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned 8 GB of......Oh god what have I started.JMR09

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

I have no idea what's he aiming at, PC will always have a power advantage over consoles, and the gap always becomes wider as the console gen goes on, but fine, won't fault him for his statement, it's very vague, and he hasn't even explained himself properly...

seanmcloughlin

That's putting false words in someone's mouth and that's never a good idea. That's what sh!tty tabloid journalism does.

It's true however that a unified set of hardware is far easier to optimise for than what the PCs huge range of hardware is

Which is why we have DirectX and graphical settings

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

I think they mean, the "average" of the platform.

If the PS4 sticks to the current specs, I do think it'll be on par, if not slightly more powerful than the avrage gmaing PC out there.  That doesn't mean it will be as powerful as high end rigs, but high end rigs aren't representative of the whole PC gaming gamut of hardware.

Of course, he seems to have had a stroke or something because he also seems to ocmpletley forget that console hardware is fixed, while PC hardware continues to evolve.  So in the NEAR future, he's right, but in the actual future, he becomes very wrong, again.

stayhigh1

The avarage PC?  Well, there's billions of them.  I'm tlaking about the average GAMING PC. That seems a lot more pertinent to the discusison, don't you agree?

As for developing for PS4 first... well that doesn't seem the way some publishers are thinking. Ubisoft CEO recently said that PC is the lead platform for Watch dogs, and in the future they would likely develop for PC and port to consoles.

[QUOTE="stayhigh1"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

I think they mean, the "average" of the platform.

If the PS4 sticks to the current specs, I do think it'll be on par, if not slightly more powerful than the avrage gmaing PC out there.  That doesn't mean it will be as powerful as high end rigs, but high end rigs aren't representative of the whole PC gaming gamut of hardware.

Of course, he seems to have had a stroke or something because he also seems to ocmpletley forget that console hardware is fixed, while PC hardware continues to evolve.  So in the NEAR future, he's right, but in the actual future, he becomes very wrong, again.

Kinthalis

The avarage PC?  Well, there's billions of them.  I'm tlaking about the average GAMING PC. That seems a lot more pertinent to the discusison, don't you agree?

As for developing for PS4 first... well that doesn't seem the way some publishers are thinking. Ubisoft CEO recently said that PC is the lead platform for Watch dogs, and in the future they would likely develop for PC and port to consoles.

How can console hardware catch up if its not upgradeable? Intel, AMD, Nvidia ain't just gonna stop making better and more powerful hardware. They will be out of business.

[QUOTE="JMR09"]I'm surprised no one has mentioned 8 GB of......Oh god what have I started.stayhigh1

The key is developing console architecture that cannot be copied by PCs, sort of like what the PS4 is doing with its GDDR5 and APU set up. Sure, some high end PC builders will manage to do it but it won't be mainstream in any way. PCs are in a sense restricted by its own architecture, as it's been stuck with the CPU/GPU/RAM/Mobo set up for years now.

MS and Sony can do whatever they want to build an architecture that is more future proof. On the other hand, the PC industry is restricted by the sheer amount of momentum it's created in terms of how people understand how to build a standard gaming PC. It's sort of like the car industry where innovations haven't really been witnessed for some time.

Lol. The PC I built 4 months ago is more powerful than the PS4 ever will be. The same thing will be true when the next console generation starts.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Probably along the lines of these:

We're tired of developing for PC gamers of which 10% max have the ultimate hypersuper rigs we develop our textures and lighting effects around. Most of them still run a 9800 GT, while next-gen consoles will have 1 unified hardware we can work to get maximum efficiency out. When we don't appease to that 10% with minor details like realistic moving hair, we get flak that influences over 80% of our sales.

When you develop for PC, you develop for thousands of possible different hardware setups. You also have to take different GPU drivers into account.
That's an overhead that will only give headache to PC developers. Why develop for the elite 10% and have your efforts wasted, when you can bring your games to everyone?

NoodleFighter

That's putting false words in someone's mouth and that's never a good idea. That's what sh!tty tabloid journalism does.

It's true however that a unified set of hardware is far easier to optimise for than what the PCs huge range of hardware is

Which is why we have DirectX and graphical settings

True but no one can deny how powerful console optimisation is at times. On paper you shouldn't have games as good looking as U3 or the GOW games on that awful hardware but they managed to pull some tricks and get it to work. PC goes under less strenuous optimisation because you can usually throw better hardware at it and be done with it. 

More often than not PC devs will just say "Upgrade your rig" rather than spend as much time optimising as console devs do. Which I hate to admit but people like ND can do magic with crap hardware. Still make it run at 720p and 30fps and look decent. I really wish they made a PC game someday :(

Lol. The PC I built 4 months ago is more powerful than the PS4 ever will be. The same thing will be true when the next console generation starts.

heretrix

And that would be great if every single PC user had the same rig, but because we don't it makes PC games a little more up and down in terms of performance. In fact if we all had GTX titans with i7s we would have unbelievable looking games but PC gamers with low powered rigs are holding back PC visuals just as much as consoles are

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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

That's putting false words in someone's mouth and that's never a good idea. That's what sh!tty tabloid journalism does.

It's true however that a unified set of hardware is far easier to optimise for than what the PCs huge range of hardware is

seanmcloughlin

Which is why we have DirectX and graphical settings

True but no one can deny how powerful console optimisation is at times. On paper you shouldn't have games as good looking as U3 or the GOW games on that awful hardware but they managed to pull some tricks and get it to work. PC goes under less strenuous optimisation because you can usually throw better hardware at it and be done with it. 

More often than not PC devs will just say "Upgrade your rig" rather than spend as much time optimising as console devs do. Which I hate to admit but people like ND can do magic with crap hardware. Still make it run at 720p and 30fps and look decent. I really wish they made a PC game someday :(

I really don't see what's so good looking about Uncharted, I played Unchared 3 on that fire level and it looked like ass, the co op I guess looked ok

The game isn't very big on scale so I find it easy for that type of graphics, also Playstation first party devs have been known to use prebaked/static visuals

The closest we have to naughty dog on PC is Red Barrel Games,

also look at this game being ran on a Geforce 7600

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qg_9jtgro4

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

PC gets no games, when it does it gets turds like Simcity and Diablo 3.

No one cares about the pc platform anymore.

Tessellation

XBox 720 with Quad SLI 780's confirmed!  Wizard jeezzzzz!

High end gamers... they have my sympathy: 2000 dollars for 2 games a year that optimize their system, IF you can name two a year, that is...

zekere

I really don't see what's so good looking about Uncharted, I played Unchared 3 on that fire level and it looked like ass, the co op I guess looked ok

The game isn't very big on scale so I find it easy for that type of graphics, also Playstation first party devs have been known to use prebaked/static visuals

The closest we have to naughty dog on PC is Red Barrel Games,

also look at this game being ran on a Geforce 7600

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qg_9jtgro4

NoodleFighter

It doesn't look ZOMG amazing !! or anything but it's a very competent game for the hardware it's running off. If it had slightly better textures and AA it would look so much better

The majority of PC Gamers have less than 8GB of RAM And VRAM combined,  also 2 core or less CPU,  and a GPU much weaker than a 7870