[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] If there is no other kind of evidence then this is the best we have. Polls may not be always accurate but they are usually a good approximation. Right now we have polls against opinions and polls > opinions. CNET is a respectable enough site.RedruM_Ithere was actually a study done by squaresoft that was not an internet poll, which placed the failure rate around 24%, which is still unacceptably high. however, not 54%. Link? here http://www.switched.com/tag/red+ring+of+death/ and my apologies, squaretrade, not squaresoft.
CNET UK Survey: 60% of Xbox 360s Have Broken
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[QUOTE="TREY_FOR_LI4E"]i sent a message to your PSN ID, Martin_Keamy. you know, its funny, there was a banned user here called therealolfaqs. he also had the PSN ID Martin_Keamy. must be a conspiracy.i already knew this guy was lolfaqs, he slipped up and said he was an attorney, attorney+the way he posts=lolfaqs,lolThis is the second "unreliable" poll to show the 360 with the top failure rate out of all current gen consoles. Must be a conspiracy.
clone01
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="clone01"] there was actually a study done by squaresoft that was not an internet poll, which placed the failure rate around 24%, which is still unacceptably high. however, not 54%.clone01Link? here http://www.switched.com/tag/red+ring+of+death/ and my apologies, squaretrade, not squaresoft. Ok yes I rememeber that. But the same criticism you give to the polls can be applied here since they are only polling broken consoles supported by their own warranty and which break within the first two years. they leave out all the consoles that break after 2 years and those which don't use their warranty.
This is the second "unreliable" poll to show the 360 with the top failure rate out of all current gen consoles. Must be a conspiracy.
i sent a message to your PSN ID, Martin_Keamy. you know, its funny, there was a banned user here called therealolfaqs. he also had the PSN ID Martin_Keamy. must be a conspiracy.i already knew this guy was lolfaqs, he slipped up and said he was an attorney, attorney+the way he posts=lolfaqs,lol sad part is, i think he switched IPs, so he hasn't been banned.Ok yes I rememeber that. But the same criticism you give to the polls can be applied here since they are only polling broken consoles supported by their own warranty and which break within the first two years. they leave out all the consoles that break after 2 years and those which don't use their warranty.RedruM_Ispin it however you want...an internet poll has almost no credibility whatsoever. this study at least tries to gather actual data. the 54% taken from game informer, or the number taken from the cnet poll is no more reliable than taking a poll here in system wars. you'll never get unbiased results. the truth is, no one knows what the actual fail rates except MS, and their not talking. using an internet poll as a basis for argument, though, is, well, just fanboyish.
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] Ok yes I rememeber that. But the same criticism you give to the polls can be applied here since they are only polling broken consoles supported by their own warranty and which break within the first two years. they leave out all the consoles that break after 2 years and those which don't use their warranty.clone01spin it however you want...an internet poll has almost no credibility whatsoever. this study at least tries to gather actual data. the 54% taken from game informer, or the number taken from the cnet poll is no more reliable than taking a poll here in system wars. you'll never get unbiased results. the truth is, no one knows what the actual fail rates except MS, and their not talking. using an internet poll as a basis for argument, though, is, well, just fanboyish. It's still the best evidence we have. That's how statistics work and why polls are used for a lot of predictions and explanations. It's sometimes the best way we have to come close to reality even if it's flawed.
[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] Ok yes I rememeber that. But the same criticism you give to the polls can be applied here since they are only polling broken consoles supported by their own warranty and which break within the first two years. they leave out all the consoles that break after 2 years and those which don't use their warranty.RedruM_Ispin it however you want...an internet poll has almost no credibility whatsoever. this study at least tries to gather actual data. the 54% taken from game informer, or the number taken from the cnet poll is no more reliable than taking a poll here in system wars. you'll never get unbiased results. the truth is, no one knows what the actual fail rates except MS, and their not talking. using an internet poll as a basis for argument, though, is, well, just fanboyish. It's still the best evidence we have. That's how statistics work and why polls are used for a lot of predictions and explanations. It's sometimes the best way we have to come close to reality even if it's flawed. i bet alot of 360 fanboys voted sony to fail just to tilt the results
[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] Ok yes I rememeber that. But the same criticism you give to the polls can be applied here since they are only polling broken consoles supported by their own warranty and which break within the first two years. they leave out all the consoles that break after 2 years and those which don't use their warranty.RedruM_Ispin it however you want...an internet poll has almost no credibility whatsoever. this study at least tries to gather actual data. the 54% taken from game informer, or the number taken from the cnet poll is no more reliable than taking a poll here in system wars. you'll never get unbiased results. the truth is, no one knows what the actual fail rates except MS, and their not talking. using an internet poll as a basis for argument, though, is, well, just fanboyish. It's still the best evidence we have. That's how statistics work and why polls are used for a lot of predictions and explanations. It's sometimes the best way we have to come close to reality even if it's flawed. a 25% disparity is far too great of a difference to infer anything. seriously, just stop. its no secret that you're incredibly biased to Sony.
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="clone01"] spin it however you want...an internet poll has almost no credibility whatsoever. this study at least tries to gather actual data. the 54% taken from game informer, or the number taken from the cnet poll is no more reliable than taking a poll here in system wars. you'll never get unbiased results. the truth is, no one knows what the actual fail rates except MS, and their not talking. using an internet poll as a basis for argument, though, is, well, just fanboyish.coupe_delacoupeIt's still the best evidence we have. That's how statistics work and why polls are used for a lot of predictions and explanations. It's sometimes the best way we have to come close to reality even if it's flawed. i bet alot of 360 fanboys voted sony to fail just to tilt the results just like PS3 fans might influence the result of a RROD poll. like i said, something like this lacks any sort of accuracy or credibility.
Cry More.
Honestly, this topic is old and tired. We know 360's bust sometimes. They are fixed for free however. I had a launch 360 and it lasted a year and a half then, when it RROD, I got a replacement from MS within 2 weeks. I'm glad I own all the consoles as I get to enjoy all the games.
Don't like that they break sometimes? Don't buy one. When you feel like complaining about it for the billionth time on a videogame forum though, just save us all the time and effort and go cry in a corner for 5 minutes.
Does the 1128 people who responded to the survey represent the entirety of 360 owners around the world?
Yeah, that's what I thought. Which is why surveys are almost always flawed. Now I know 360 has a high failure rate, but 60%?? That's one hell of a reach.
it was me...sorry. RedRum made some silly claim, like an internet survey is the best we have to go off of, even though squaretrade had already done a study, proving a massive disparity to the "official statistics" on CNET.Who the hell bumped this thread again!
siddhu33
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="clone01"] spin it however you want...an internet poll has almost no credibility whatsoever. this study at least tries to gather actual data. the 54% taken from game informer, or the number taken from the cnet poll is no more reliable than taking a poll here in system wars. you'll never get unbiased results. the truth is, no one knows what the actual fail rates except MS, and their not talking. using an internet poll as a basis for argument, though, is, well, just fanboyish.clone01It's still the best evidence we have. That's how statistics work and why polls are used for a lot of predictions and explanations. It's sometimes the best way we have to come close to reality even if it's flawed. a 25% disparity is far too great of a difference to infer anything. seriously, just stop. its no secret that you're incredibly biased to Sony. A 25% of disparity between a poll that focuses in lifetime failures against one that focuses on the first 2 year failures. At least when comparing polls you should make sure the polls are meassuring the same thing :roll:. Anyways I think I've made clear that I don't like and I'm biased against Microsoft and this is exactly the kind of stuff that makes me don't like them.
[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] It's still the best evidence we have. That's how statistics work and why polls are used for a lot of predictions and explanations. It's sometimes the best way we have to come close to reality even if it's flawed.RedruM_Ia 25% disparity is far too great of a difference to infer anything. seriously, just stop. its no secret that you're incredibly biased to Sony. A 25% of disparity between a poll that focuses in lifetime failures against one that focuses on the first 2 year failures. At least when comparing polls you should make sure the polls are meassuring the same thing :roll:. Anyways I think I've made clear that I don't like and I'm biased against Microsoft and this is exactly the kind of stuff that makes me don't like them. squaretrade wasn't a poll. they actually collected data on broken units, as opposed to just taking a consumers word for it. and sorry, your bias calls your objectivity into question.
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="clone01"] a 25% disparity is far too great of a difference to infer anything. seriously, just stop. its no secret that you're incredibly biased to Sony.clone01A 25% of disparity between a poll that focuses in lifetime failures against one that focuses on the first 2 year failures. At least when comparing polls you should make sure the polls are meassuring the same thing :roll:. Anyways I think I've made clear that I don't like and I'm biased against Microsoft and this is exactly the kind of stuff that makes me don't like them. squaretrade wasn't a poll. they actually collected data on broken units, as opposed to just taking a consumers word for it. and sorry, your bias calls your objectivity into question. Ok, it's an statistical meassure and what that meassure says is that 360s fail 24% of the time within the first two years and use Squaretrade's warranty. It doesn't tells us anything about what happens after the first two years and of people that don't use that particular warranty provider and uses Microsoft's warranty within the first 2 years instead for example (you don't have to be unbiased or biased to see that, it is just what it is). In that way the CNET-like polls are still the best meassures we have for lifetime failures on all three consoles taking into account any warranty provider whatsoever. Your bias can show too you know.
[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] A 25% of disparity between a poll that focuses in lifetime failures against one that focuses on the first 2 year failures. At least when comparing polls you should make sure the polls are meassuring the same thing :roll:. Anyways I think I've made clear that I don't like and I'm biased against Microsoft and this is exactly the kind of stuff that makes me don't like them.RedruM_Isquaretrade wasn't a poll. they actually collected data on broken units, as opposed to just taking a consumers word for it. and sorry, your bias calls your objectivity into question. Ok, it's an statistical meassure and what that meassure says is that 360s fail 24% of the time within the first two years and use Squaretrade's warranty. It doesn't tells us anything about what happens after the first two years and of people that don't use that particular warranty provider and uses Microsoft's warranty within the first 2 years instead for example (you don't have to be unbiased or biased to see that, it is just what it is). In that way the CNET-like polls are still the best meassures we have for lifetime failures on all three consoles taking into account any warranty provider whatsoever. Your bias can show too you know. what bias? check by posting history if you think i really favor any cold corporation or inanimate piece of plastic. it still doesn't change the fact that square trade's study is more accurate and indicative of the actual number than a poll. you realize a poll is, literally, taking someone's word on something. theres absolutely nothing empirical about it. as far as bias goes. well, you see, i play games, and don't feel the need to align myself with any company.
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="clone01"] squaretrade wasn't a poll. they actually collected data on broken units, as opposed to just taking a consumers word for it. and sorry, your bias calls your objectivity into question.clone01Ok, it's an statistical meassure and what that meassure says is that 360s fail 24% of the time within the first two years and use Squaretrade's warranty. It doesn't tells us anything about what happens after the first two years and of people that don't use that particular warranty provider and uses Microsoft's warranty within the first 2 years instead for example (you don't have to be unbiased or biased to see that, it is just what it is). In that way the CNET-like polls are still the best meassures we have for lifetime failures on all three consoles taking into account any warranty provider whatsoever. Your bias can show too you know. what bias? check by posting history if you think i really favor any cold corporation or inanimate piece of plastic. it still doesn't change the fact that square trade's study is more accurate and indicative of the actual number than a poll. you realize a poll is, literally, taking someone's word on something. theres absolutely nothing empirical about it. as far as bias goes. well, you see, i play games, and don't feel the need to align myself with any company. Why are you saying it is more accurate? Are you familiar with how polls work and how they are used? There is always a margin of error but they are still accurate for their purposes. How is a statistical sample about how much consoles fails within the first 2 years using a particular warranty provider be accurate to meassure lifetime failures on all consoles? Please I will like a detailed explanation here because I just don't see how that is even scientifically plausible, how do you abstract that to be representative of what actually happens? It doesn't make sense what you're saying and anyone with a little bit of statistical knowledge can see that.
Why are you saying it is more accurate? Are you familiar with how polls work and how they are used? There is always a margin of error but they are still accurate for their purposes. How is a statistical sample about how much consoles fails within the first 2 years using a particular warranty provider be accurate to meassure lifetime failures on all consoles? Please I will like a detailed explanation here because I just don't see how that is even scientifically plausible, how do you abstract that to be representative of what actually happens? It doesn't make sense what you're saying and anyone with a little bit of statistical knowledge can see that.RedruM_Iyes, i am familiar, and you can skip the condescending tone. it still comes down to concrete, broken units vs. someone's word. additionally, the sample size, like game informers, is too small to be an accurate representation of all 360 owners.
[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] Ok, it's an statistical meassure and what that meassure says is that 360s fail 24% of the time within the first two years and use Squaretrade's warranty. It doesn't tells us anything about what happens after the first two years and of people that don't use that particular warranty provider and uses Microsoft's warranty within the first 2 years instead for example (you don't have to be unbiased or biased to see that, it is just what it is). In that way the CNET-like polls are still the best meassures we have for lifetime failures on all three consoles taking into account any warranty provider whatsoever. Your bias can show too you know.RedruM_Iwhat bias? check by posting history if you think i really favor any cold corporation or inanimate piece of plastic. it still doesn't change the fact that square trade's study is more accurate and indicative of the actual number than a poll. you realize a poll is, literally, taking someone's word on something. theres absolutely nothing empirical about it. as far as bias goes. well, you see, i play games, and don't feel the need to align myself with any company. Why are you saying it is more accurate? Are you familiar with how polls work and how they are used? There is always a margin of error but they are still accurate for their purposes. How is a statistical sample about how much consoles fails within the first 2 years using a particular warranty provider be accurate to meassure lifetime failures on all consoles? Please I will like a detailed explanation here because I just don't see how that is even scientifically plausible, how do you abstract that to be representative of what actually happens? It doesn't make sense what you're saying and anyone with a little bit of statistical knowledge can see that. so what was the margin of error? i couldn't find it.
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] Why are you saying it is more accurate? Are you familiar with how polls work and how they are used? There is always a margin of error but they are still accurate for their purposes. How is a statistical sample about how much consoles fails within the first 2 years using a particular warranty provider be accurate to meassure lifetime failures on all consoles? Please I will like a detailed explanation here because I just don't see how that is even scientifically plausible, how do you abstract that to be representative of what actually happens? It doesn't make sense what you're saying and anyone with a little bit of statistical knowledge can see that.clone01yes, i am familiar, and you can skip the condescending tone. it still comes down to concrete, broken units vs. someone's word. additionally, the sample size, like game informers, is too small to be an accurate representation of all 360 owners. The number of people used by the survey can be accurate enough to represent millions of users with probably less than 10 points in the margin of error. The poll can actually be scientifically representative of the larger population unlike the Squaretrade study for which there's no scientific method known to humankind to extrapolate from it to reality.
[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] Why are you saying it is more accurate? Are you familiar with how polls work and how they are used? There is always a margin of error but they are still accurate for their purposes. How is a statistical sample about how much consoles fails within the first 2 years using a particular warranty provider be accurate to meassure lifetime failures on all consoles? Please I will like a detailed explanation here because I just don't see how that is even scientifically plausible, how do you abstract that to be representative of what actually happens? It doesn't make sense what you're saying and anyone with a little bit of statistical knowledge can see that.RedruM_Iyes, i am familiar, and you can skip the condescending tone. it still comes down to concrete, broken units vs. someone's word. additionally, the sample size, like game informers, is too small to be an accurate representation of all 360 owners. The number of people used by the survey can be accurate enough to represent millions of users with probably less than 10 points in the margin of error. The poll can actually be scientifically representative of the larger population unlike the Squaretrade study for which there's no scientific method known to humankind to extrapolate from it to reality. so now you realize your confusing poll and survey? you do realize that any Tom, Dick, or Harry was allowed to take this thing right? even those that might want to influence results? sorry, but you're just as accurate using a SW poll for reliable results. no scientific method for squaretrade? how about comparing broken units to working units? honestly, the more you defend this survey, the less credible you make yourself sound.
so now you realize your confusing poll and survey? you do realize that any Tom, Dick, or Harry was allowed to take this thing right? even those that might want to influence results? sorry, but you're just as accurate using a SW poll for reliable results. no scientific method for squaretrade? how about comparing broken units to working units? honestly, the more you defend this survey, the less credible you make yourself sound.clone01
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/poll
1. An election or a survey of a particular group.
I get my 360 back on Monday :)
Either fixed or a new 360 they gave me.
[QUOTE="clone01"] so now you realize your confusing poll and survey? you do realize that any Tom, Dick, or Harry was allowed to take this thing right? even those that might want to influence results? sorry, but you're just as accurate using a SW poll for reliable results. no scientific method for squaretrade? how about comparing broken units to working units? honestly, the more you defend this survey, the less credible you make yourself sound.RedruM_I
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/poll
1. An election or a survey of a particular group.
okay, thanks, and that helps your argument how?aw, thanks, citing a definition in a debate just made my day.
[QUOTE="clone01"]
okay, thanks, and that helps your argument how?
aw, thanks, citing a definition in a debate just made my day.
RedruM_I
:roll: You're the one who started arguing about definitions. I'm just pointing out how wrong you are... again.
no, a poll is a one question survey. the cnet thing was a survey...you're wrong...again. i never argued the definition. i merely stated you were mixing up the two.[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="clone01"]
okay, thanks, and that helps your argument how?
aw, thanks, citing a definition in a debate just made my day.
clone01
:roll: You're the one who started arguing about definitions. I'm just pointing out how wrong you are... again.
no, a poll is a one question survey. the cnet thing was a survey...you're wrong...again. i never argued the definition. i merely stated you were mixing up the two. Where do you get the one question survey thing? Is it opinion again?[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"]no, a poll is a one question survey. the cnet thing was a survey...you're wrong...again. i never argued the definition. i merely stated you were mixing up the two. Where do you get the one question survey thing? Is it opinion again?:roll: You're the one who started arguing about definitions. I'm just pointing out how wrong you are... again.
RedruM_I
google it...see how many times that answer pops up.
Where do you get the one question survey thing? Is it opinion again?[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="clone01"] no, a poll is a one question survey. the cnet thing was a survey...you're wrong...again. i never argued the definition. i merely stated you were mixing up the two.clone01
google it...see how many times that answer pops up.
This is the first thing I got from google. They still can be used as synonyms without any problem.
Easier - A survey, sometimes called a poll, is a study of what people think or believe about a topic or question. Surveys are usually done by questionnaire, interview, or observation.Harder - Public opinion polls are useful in tracing people's views on important social issues. Polls are used to assess people's preferences in political races, and the results are used to predict election results. Surveys are often employed in marketing and advertising research to measure and predict consumer's reaction to products.Please Log In to post.
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