CNET UK Survey: 60% of Xbox 360s Have Broken

WoW!!! 60%!!!!

I know 3 guys with X360 and all of them have had the RROD... One has had 2x RROD but he really plays the **** outta his Box.

I have 2 PS3z in my house and one was DOA but Sony replaced for free and I scored a free Dual Shock outta the stuff up. I know 2 other guys with PS3 and theirs havent had any issues yet.

Fingers Crossed for all gamers... Consoles SHOULD NOT BREAK!!!!! PERIOD!!!!!

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] If there is no other kind of evidence then this is the best we have. Polls may not be always accurate but they are usually a good approximation. Right now we have polls against opinions and polls > opinions. CNET is a respectable enough site.clone01

1. It's SquareTRADE, not Squaresoft.

2. SquareTRADE even stated explicitly in their study that they estimate the actual failure rate to be much higher since most people send in their broken 360s directly to M$ instead of going through SquareTrade.

3. SquareTRADE even admitted that the new 360 models that supposedly fixed RROD have barely been out for a year and are still too untested to reach any solid conclusions about reliability. Don't forget the massive influx of hardware failures that hit Xbox 360s when the launch 360s' 3 year warranty expired.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] If there is no other kind of evidence then this is the best we have. Polls may not be always accurate but they are usually a good approximation. Right now we have polls against opinions and polls > opinions. CNET is a respectable enough site.clone01

1. It's SquareTRADE, not Squaresoft.

2. SquareTRADE even stated explicitly in their study that they estimate the actual failure rate to be much higher since most people send in their broken 360s directly to M$ instead of going through SquareTrade.

3. SquareTRADE even admitted that the new 360 models that supposedly fixed RROD have barely been out for a year and are still too untested to reach any solid conclusions about reliability. Don't forget the massive influx of hardware failures that hit Xbox 360s when the launch 360s' 3 year warranty expired.

[QUOTE="coupe_delacoupe"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] It's still the best evidence we have. That's how statistics work and why polls are used for a lot of predictions and explanations. It's sometimes the best way we have to come close to reality even if it's flawed.clone01

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="coupe_delacoupe"] i bet alot of 360 fanboys voted sony to fail just to tilt the resultscoupe_delacoupe

Yeah, keep thinking that. And that Santa Claus is where your christmas presents come from :roll:

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] If there is no other kind of evidence then this is the best we have. Polls may not be always accurate but they are usually a good approximation. Right now we have polls against opinions and polls > opinions. CNET is a respectable enough site.TREY_FOR_LI4E

1. It's SquareTRADE, not Squaresoft.

2. SquareTRADE even stated explicitly in their study that they estimate the actual failure rate to be much higher since most people send in their broken 360s directly to M$ instead of going through SquareTrade.

3. SquareTRADE even admitted that the new 360 models that supposedly fixed RROD have barely been out for a year and are still too untested to reach any solid conclusions about reliability. Don't forget the massive influx of hardware failures that hit Xbox 360s when the launch 360s' 3 year warranty expired.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] If there is no other kind of evidence then this is the best we have. Polls may not be always accurate but they are usually a good approximation. Right now we have polls against opinions and polls > opinions. CNET is a respectable enough site.TREY_FOR_LI4E

1. It's SquareTRADE, not Squaresoft.

2. SquareTRADE even stated explicitly in their study that they estimate the actual failure rate to be much higher since most people send in their broken 360s directly to M$ instead of going through SquareTrade.

3. SquareTRADE even admitted that the new 360 models that supposedly fixed RROD have barely been out for a year and are still too untested to reach any solid conclusions about reliability. Don't forget the massive influx of hardware failures that hit Xbox 360s when the launch 360s' 3 year warranty expired.

Come on, we all know every cow is going to buy into these polls and act like they are accurate. All you have to do to prove polls are accurate is prove that John Kerry wonhis presidential election, sincehe wasleading the Gallup Polls up until election day

Come on, we all know every cow is going to buy into these polls and act like they are accurate. All you have to do to prove polls are accurate is prove that John Kerry wonhis presidential election, sincehe wasleading the Gallup Polls up until election day

MizFitAwesome

The funny thing about all this is that the only survey which would count are those done by Microsoft themselves, and the results are something which we know Microsoft won't divulge because it's embarassing. That's like saying that the only reliable news for a conspiracy theory of Armstrong landing on the moon is by NASA themselves. Get my drift?

Come on, we all know every cow is going to buy into these polls and act like they are accurate. All you have to do to prove polls are accurate is prove that John Kerry wonhis presidential election, sincehe wasleading the Gallup Polls up until election day

MizFitAwesome

well why hasn't microsoft given an accurate figure ? it's because they are too embarrassed to say the x360 has a 60% failure rate or more they would gladly give out the accurate figures if it was only 10-20% but they know it's alot more.

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

Come on, we all know every cow is going to buy into these polls and act like they are accurate. All you have to do to prove polls are accurate is prove that John Kerry wonhis presidential election, sincehe wasleading the Gallup Polls up until election day

drakecool1

well why hasn't microsoft given an accurate figure ? it's because they are too embarrassed to say the x360 has a 60% failure rate or more they would gladly give out the accurate figures if it was only 10-20% but they know it's alot more.

do you believe it has a 60% failure rate?

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

Come on, we all know every cow is going to buy into these polls and act like they are accurate. All you have to do to prove polls are accurate is prove that John Kerry wonhis presidential election, sincehe wasleading the Gallup Polls up until election day

CaseyWegner

well why hasn't microsoft given an accurate figure ? it's because they are too embarrassed to say the x360 has a 60% failure rate or more they would gladly give out the accurate figures if it was only 10-20% but they know it's alot more.

do you believe it has a 60% failure rate?

Well, our assessment of the failure rate is as uncredible as any of the 3rd party surveyors out there. But I will say this. Out of the5 people or so whom i know owns a 360.....all of them have had an RROD at least once. You can claim that 5 people is an inadequate sample, just like how even 5000 people is relatively a small sample compared to the many many millions of 360 owners, but when everyone around had it at least once, we know something is not right.

Lemmings will continue to hide behind the 'unproven figures' trump card, because they know that there will never ever be a proven figure. How can you possibly prove that a product which has sold 30 over million unitshas a certain failure rate? No matter whether we take a sample of 10,000 100,000 or even 1,000,000 the sample is still less than 5% of the total amount and hence can be classified as a poor representation of actual conditions. The best thing any of us can do is ask around, and if the failure rate is as low as even 10% as Microsoft claims, then it's unlikely that you and everyone you know just happens to fall in that unlucky percentage.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

well why hasn't microsoft given an accurate figure ? it's because they are too embarrassed to say the x360 has a 60% failure rate or more they would gladly give out the accurate figures if it was only 10-20% but they know it's alot more.

jhcho2

do you believe it has a 60% failure rate?

Well, our assessment of the failure rate is as uncredible as any of the 3rd party surveyors out there. But I will say this. Out of the5 people or so whom i know owns a 360.....all of them have had an RROD at least once. You can claim that 5 people is an inadequate sample, just like how even 5000 people is relatively a small sample compared to the many many millions of 360 owners, but when everyone around had it at least once, we know something is not right.

Lemmings will continue to hide behind the 'unproven figures' trump card, because they know that there will never ever be a proven figure. How can you possibly prove that a product which has sold 30 over million unitshas a certain failure rate? No matter whether we take a sample of 10,000 100,000 or even 1,000,000 the sample is still less than 5% of the total amount and hence can be classified as a poor representation of actual conditions. The best thing any of us can do is ask around, and if the failure rate is as low as even 10% as Microsoft claims, then it's unlikely that you and everyone you know just happens to fall in that unlucky percentage.

we should at least attempt to be realistic. 60% is just plain silly.

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

Come on, we all know every cow is going to buy into these polls and act like they are accurate. All you have to do to prove polls are accurate is prove that John Kerry wonhis presidential election, sincehe wasleading the Gallup Polls up until election day

CaseyWegner

well why hasn't microsoft given an accurate figure ? it's because they are too embarrassed to say the x360 has a 60% failure rate or more they would gladly give out the accurate figures if it was only 10-20% but they know it's alot more.

do you believe it has a 60% failure rate?

Approximately, yes.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

well why hasn't microsoft given an accurate figure ? it's because they are too embarrassed to say the x360 has a 60% failure rate or more they would gladly give out the accurate figures if it was only 10-20% but they know it's alot more.

TREY_FOR_LI4E

do you believe it has a 60% failure rate?

Approximately, yes.

do you believe the 16% ps3 failure rate?

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

do you believe it has a 60% failure rate?

CaseyWegner

Well, our assessment of the failure rate is as uncredible as any of the 3rd party surveyors out there. But I will say this. Out of the5 people or so whom i know owns a 360.....all of them have had an RROD at least once. You can claim that 5 people is an inadequate sample, just like how even 5000 people is relatively a small sample compared to the many many millions of 360 owners, but when everyone around had it at least once, we know something is not right.

Lemmings will continue to hide behind the 'unproven figures' trump card, because they know that there will never ever be a proven figure. How can you possibly prove that a product which has sold 30 over million unitshas a certain failure rate? No matter whether we take a sample of 10,000 100,000 or even 1,000,000 the sample is still less than 5% of the total amount and hence can be classified as a poor representation of actual conditions. The best thing any of us can do is ask around, and if the failure rate is as low as even 10% as Microsoft claims, then it's unlikely that you and everyone you know just happens to fall in that unlucky percentage.

we should at least attempt to be realistic. 60% is just plain silly.

And why is it unrealistic? Everybody i know who has a 360 has had an RROD. In fact, if I told a future 360 owner that the odds of getting a RROD were low....only then, would i be really unrealistic. Because the painful reality is that any 360 owner stands a higher chance of getting RROD than not. An inconvenient truth.

[QUOTE="TREY_FOR_LI4E"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

do you believe it has a 60% failure rate?

CaseyWegner

Approximately, yes.

do you believe the 16% ps3 failure rate?

Approximately, yes.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

well why hasn't microsoft given an accurate figure ? it's because they are too embarrassed to say the x360 has a 60% failure rate or more they would gladly give out the accurate figures if it was only 10-20% but they know it's alot more.

TREY_FOR_LI4E

do you believe it has a 60% failure rate?

Approximately, yes.

If ANY item sold in America was defective 60% of the time, consumer groups would be screaming, tons of lawsuits (not just a few) would have been filed and won by now, and the Goverment would have gotten involved. It's just not possibly that high.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="TREY_FOR_LI4E"]

Approximately, yes.

TREY_FOR_LI4E

do you believe the 16% ps3 failure rate?

Approximately, yes.

And this one...

There has been no hint that the PS3 fails almost 1 out of every 5 units. 16% is too high, and about 3 times where it most likely is.

and on that note, the 360 number of 60% is ALSO about 3 times what is likely. Notice how they are both about 3 times higher than reasonable sources claim.

[QUOTE="TREY_FOR_LI4E"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

do you believe it has a 60% failure rate?

TBoogy

Approximately, yes.

If ANY item sold in America was defective 60% of the time, consumer groups would be screaming, tons of lawsuits (not just a few) would have been filed and won by now, and the Goverment would have gotten involved. It's just not possibly that high.

I don't know what America you live in, but consumer groups have been screaming, and M$ has been sued.

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="TREY_FOR_LI4E"]

Approximately, yes.

TREY_FOR_LI4E

If ANY item sold in America was defective 60% of the time, consumer groups would be screaming, tons of lawsuits (not just a few) would have been filed and won by now, and the Goverment would have gotten involved. It's just not possibly that high.

I don't know what America you live in, but consumer groups have been screaming, and M$ has been sued.

not to the extent that 60% would warrant.

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="TREY_FOR_LI4E"]

Approximately, yes.

TREY_FOR_LI4E

If ANY item sold in America was defective 60% of the time, consumer groups would be screaming, tons of lawsuits (not just a few) would have been filed and won by now, and the Goverment would have gotten involved. It's just not possibly that high.

I don't know what America you live in, but consumer groups have been screaming, and M$ has been sued.

Yes, a few lawsuits have been filed. thats nothing. a few lawsuits were filed over DRE, and they lost. there would be an avalanche if 60% were true. they would have to stop selling it.

[QUOTE="TREY_FOR_LI4E"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] there was actually a study done by squaresoft that was not an internet poll, which placed the failure rate around 24%, which is still unacceptably high. however, not 54%.clone01

1. It's SquareTRADE, not Squaresoft.

2. SquareTRADE even stated explicitly in their study that they estimate the actual failure rate to be much higher since most people send in their broken 360s directly to M$ instead of going through SquareTrade.

3. SquareTRADE even admitted that the new 360 models that supposedly fixed RROD have barely been out for a year and are still too untested to reach any solid conclusions about reliability. Don't forget the massive influx of hardware failures that hit Xbox 360s when the launch 360s' 3 year warranty expired.

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="TREY_FOR_LI4E"]

Approximately, yes.

If ANY item sold in America was defective 60% of the time, consumer groups would be screaming, tons of lawsuits (not just a few) would have been filed and won by now, and the Goverment would have gotten involved. It's just not possibly that high.

I don't know what America you live in, but consumer groups have been screaming, and M$ has been sued.

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

do you believe it has a 60% failure rate?

CaseyWegner

Well, our assessment of the failure rate is as uncredible as any of the 3rd party surveyors out there. But I will say this. Out of the5 people or so whom i know owns a 360.....all of them have had an RROD at least once. You can claim that 5 people is an inadequate sample, just like how even 5000 people is relatively a small sample compared to the many many millions of 360 owners, but when everyone around had it at least once, we know something is not right.

Lemmings will continue to hide behind the 'unproven figures' trump card, because they know that there will never ever be a proven figure. How can you possibly prove that a product which has sold 30 over million unitshas a certain failure rate? No matter whether we take a sample of 10,000 100,000 or even 1,000,000 the sample is still less than 5% of the total amount and hence can be classified as a poor representation of actual conditions. The best thing any of us can do is ask around, and if the failure rate is as low as even 10% as Microsoft claims, then it's unlikely that you and everyone you know just happens to fall in that unlucky percentage.

we should at least attempt to be realistic. 60% is just plain silly.

it sounds more disastrous to me.

Almost to product recall levels.

Glad i didn't go near that thing, the milkage also adds to the disdain. X360PS3AMD05

Well said.

[QUOTE="TREY_FOR_LI4E"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

do you believe it has a 60% failure rate?

TBoogy

Approximately, yes.

If ANY item sold in America was defective 60% of the time, consumer groups would be screaming, tons of lawsuits (not just a few) would have been filed and won by now, and the Goverment would have gotten involved. It's just not possibly that high.

I'm going to take you on a little "thought experiment" by asking you a series of questions beginning with: Who would sue and what exactly would they sue for?

[QUOTE="TREY_FOR_LI4E"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

do you believe the 16% ps3 failure rate?

TBoogy

Approximately, yes.

And this one...

There has been no hint that the PS3 fails almost 1 out of every 5 units. 16% is too high, and about 3 times where it most likely is.

and on that note, the 360 number of 60% is ALSO about 3 times what is likely. Notice how they are both about 3 times higher than reasonable sources claim.

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="TREY_FOR_LI4E"]

Approximately, yes.

RedruM_I

And this one...

There has been no hint that the PS3 fails almost 1 out of every 5 units. 16% is too high, and about 3 times where it most likely is.

and on that note, the 360 number of 60% is ALSO about 3 times what is likely. Notice how they are both about 3 times higher than reasonable sources claim.

Probably Google and Wikipedia, the same sources lots of lemmings are citing these days in debates.

Why isnt this locked yet? Its obviously untrue, and flamebait :|

just one question, is the Jasper 360 included on that survey, because i heard it's very reliable compared to the older models Wings_008

Jaspers have even been out for barely a year. There isn't enough data to reach any conclusions about any alleged increased reliability.

[QUOTE="Wings_008"]just one question, is the Jasper 360 included on that survey, because i heard it's very reliable compared to the older models TREY_FOR_LI4E

Jaspers have even been out for barely a year. There isn't enough data to reach any conclusions about any alleged increased reliability.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

And this one...

There has been no hint that the PS3 fails almost 1 out of every 5 units. 16% is too high, and about 3 times where it most likely is.

and on that note, the 360 number of 60% is ALSO about 3 times what is likely. Notice how they are both about 3 times higher than reasonable sources claim.

TREY_FOR_LI4E

Probably Google and Wikipedia, the same sources lots of lemmings are citing these days in debates.