CNN Money- PS3 A Sinking Ship

yes i agree CNN is very smart for telling this to the publicnaruto7777

How is it not going better. It's sold more worldwide this year than last year plus they're talking a smaller loss than last year. munu9

[QUOTE="naruto7777"]yes i agree CNN is very smart for telling this to the publicZoomZoom2490

I think they reported what a certain administration claimed.

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"][QUOTE="naruto7777"]yes i agree CNN is very smart for telling this to the publicdemoralizer

I think they reported what a certain administration claimed.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]]Even when you were outselling the 360, the PS3 has never outsold it enough to be tracking to overtake it before the end of NEXT gen...and that's selling against the RROD plagued 360. The RROD saved Sony from not being completely dead...now it is merely on life support. Also, if cows are going to continually claim these sales advantages, how about some links to back them up? The numbers cows throw around NEVER add up, and the PS3 would be millions ahead of the 360 if it sold the numbers cows say half the time. Somebody in this thread said the PS3 has sold 11 million consoles this year....where's the numbers to prove it?munu9

Also since when is "not being on track to overtake the 360" sinking ship status?

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]First and foremost, I dont think the PS3 is going anywhere soon. But it boggles the mind to think all of this could have been avoided by Sony if the PS3 just didnt include Blu Ray. Pretty crazy.Ninten007

This post proves you were never in the Killzone 2 beta. You never owned a PS3 too.

CNN is full of it, and everyone knows it...

deciding a winner and a loser over one month sales is nothing to get excited about

ZoomZoom2490

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="_Brennan_"]Who cares? I have a PS3, I hate the 360, and I really don't care what others think. I like my PS3, and I enjoy the exclusives that I have for the console. As long as I'm happy, that's all that matters. :P_Brennan_

Hating a piece of plastic is pretty sad though.

[QUOTE="demoralizer"]

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"] true, they also said iraq had wmd's.ZoomZoom2490

I think they reported what a certain administration claimed.

The Kurds said the same too so what? This hardly discredits them. I hate CNN anyway, but not over that.

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"][QUOTE="demoralizer"]

I think they reported what a certain administration claimed.

demoralizer

The Kurds said the same too so what? This hardly discredits them. I hate CNN anyway, but not over that.

[QUOTE="munu9"] How is it not going better. It's sold more worldwide this year than last year plus they're talking a smaller loss than last year. MarloStanfield

Seriously, do people still believe this crap?

Cost of production is now about 400 USD.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ps3-production-costs-halved-says-analyst

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jan2008/gb2008018_681920_page_2.htm

The 80 gig is priced at 399 USD which means that the PS3 is, more or less, breaking even.

Hurrrr PS3 is still losing money.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="_Brennan_"]Who cares? I have a PS3, I hate the 360, and I really don't care what others think. I like my PS3, and I enjoy the exclusives that I have for the console. As long as I'm happy, that's all that matters. :P_Brennan_

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

CNN is full of it, and everyone knows it...

deciding a winner and a loser over one month sales is nothing to get excited about

3picuri3

[QUOTE="MarloStanfield"][QUOTE="munu9"] How is it not going better. It's sold more worldwide this year than last year plus they're talking a smaller loss than last year. Cu_sidhe

Seriously, do people still believe this crap?

Cost of production is now about 400 USD.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ps3-production-costs-halved-says-analyst

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jan2008/gb2008018_681920_page_2.htm

The 80 gig is priced at 399 USD which means that the PS3 is, more or less, breaking even.

Hurrrr PS3 is still losing money.

I find it harder to believe that Sony isn't in the Red but they still refuse to drop the price of the PS3.

Who cares? I have a PS3 and I really don't care what others think. I like my PS3, and I enjoy the exclusives that I have for the console. As long as I'm happy, that's all that matters. :P_Brennan_

[QUOTE="Cu_sidhe"]

[QUOTE="MarloStanfield"] they're continuing to lose money, in order to recover they need to make money. demoralizer

Seriously, do people still believe this crap?

Cost of production is now about 400 USD.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ps3-production-costs-halved-says-analyst

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jan2008/gb2008018_681920_page_2.htm

The 80 gig is priced at 399 USD which means that the PS3 is, more or less, breaking even.

Hurrrr PS3 is still losing money.

I find it harder to believe that Sony isn't in the Red but they still refuse to drop the price of the PS3.

Maybe they want to make a bit of money off of them at a higher price, for now?

I mean, if they lowered the cost, they would be losing money on each console again. Why would they do that?

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

CNN is full of it, and everyone knows it...

deciding a winner and a loser over one month sales is nothing to get excited about

ZoomZoom2490

Compared to 2007 sales Blu-Ray is up 300%
-http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1222
-http://www.cdrlabs.com/News/blu-ray-sales-up-300-over-2007.html
-http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/blog_detail.php?id=228

When it comes to CNN, I tend to lend a deaf ear to whatever they say you can call be bias or whatever and besides this is and editorial. CNN the news company that claims that Russia attacked georgia when it's the other way around and so many other things they got wrong.

C-SPAN FOR THE WIN

What signs? I could have sworn the PS3 was outselling the 360 a couple months ago. There were not significant "signs." Some months it sold less than 100k others it outsold the 360 by a lot. And that long list of things are just rehashed list from a year ago that I didn't hear about in the month that the PS3 outsold the 360 in every region. And when they released the figure that the PS3 outsold the 360 worldwide This whole teh ps3 is sinking because of relatively bad November sales is a gross over reaction and lemmings are having a field day with it.

Here are some links just in case you need a memory refresher:

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=272074

munu9

[QUOTE="munu9"] What signs? I could have sworn the PS3 was outselling the 360 a couple months ago. There were not significant "signs." Some months it sold less than 100k others it outsold the 360 by a lot. And that long list of things are just rehashed list from a year ago that I didn't hear about in the month that the PS3 outsold the 360 in every region. And when they released the figure that the PS3 outsold the 360 worldwide This whole teh ps3 is sinking because of relatively bad November sales is a gross over reaction and lemmings are having a field day with it.

Here are some links just in case you need a memory refresher:

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=272074

TREAL_Since

[QUOTE="munu9"] What signs? I could have sworn the PS3 was outselling the 360 a couple months ago. There were not significant "signs." Some months it sold less than 100k others it outsold the 360 by a lot. And that long list of things are just rehashed list from a year ago that I didn't hear about in the month that the PS3 outsold the 360 in every region. And when they released the figure that the PS3 outsold the 360 worldwide This whole teh ps3 is sinking because of relatively bad November sales is a gross over reaction and lemmings are having a field day with it.

Here are some links just in case you need a memory refresher:

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=272074

TREAL_Since

Just now began to break even!?

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="munu9"] What signs? I could have sworn the PS3 was outselling the 360 a couple months ago. There were not significant "signs." Some months it sold less than 100k others it outsold the 360 by a lot. And that long list of things are just rehashed list from a year ago that I didn't hear about in the month that the PS3 outsold the 360 in every region. And when they released the figure that the PS3 outsold the 360 worldwide This whole teh ps3 is sinking because of relatively bad November sales is a gross over reaction and lemmings are having a field day with it.

Here are some links just in case you need a memory refresher:

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=272074

Steppy_76

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="munu9"] What signs? I could have sworn the PS3 was outselling the 360 a couple months ago. There were not significant "signs." Some months it sold less than 100k others it outsold the 360 by a lot. And that long list of things are just rehashed list from a year ago that I didn't hear about in the month that the PS3 outsold the 360 in every region. And when they released the figure that the PS3 outsold the 360 worldwide This whole teh ps3 is sinking because of relatively bad November sales is a gross over reaction and lemmings are having a field day with it.

Here are some links just in case you need a memory refresher:

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=272074

demoralizer

Just now began to break even!?

Actually they are beginning to make some profit just now. It's been 3 years. The PS3 has only been out 2 years. These things happen. Time is needed. Companies have research and development sectors that figure out ways to trim production costs all the time. Nintendo is best at this though.

-http://play.tm/news/10435/bach-promises-xbox-profit-in-2008/
-http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/05/04/185224.shtml?tid=211

[QUOTE="demoralizer"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] Why does this continue to be ignored? And a reminder. The 360 just now began to break even in 2008 3 years of a loss. It's normal though for a console. They usually don't break even and make profit until 2-3 years after launch. Wii is another story though. It was manufactured to be sold at a profit and it sells like oxygen would (if we were forced to pay for it :P).TREAL_Since

Just now began to break even!?

Actually they are beginning to make some profit just now. It's been 3 years. The PS3 has only been out 2 years. These things happen. Time is needed. Companies have research and development sectors that figure out ways to trim production costs all the time. Nintendo is best at this though.

-http://play.tm/news/10435/bach-promises-xbox-profit-in-2008/
-http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/05/04/185224.shtml?tid=211

Yeah true consoles release at a loss but what I think is in question is your date. And what does software sales have to do with selling hardware at a loss? Microsoft trimed 360 manufacturing cost by 40% in Nov 21 2006 and started gain small profits in 2007. But the with RROD MS once again changed hardware so it's iffy when they crawled out out of the black.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] Why does this continue to be ignored? And a reminder. The 360 just now began to break even in 2008 3 years of a loss. It's normal though for a console. They usually don't break even and make profit until 2-3 years after launch. Wii is another story though. It was manufactured to be sold at a profit and it sells like oxygen would (if we were forced to pay for it :P).TREAL_Since

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="demoralizer"]

Just now began to break even!?

demoralizer

Actually they are beginning to make some profit just now. It's been 3 years. The PS3 has only been out 2 years. These things happen. Time is needed. Companies have research and development sectors that figure out ways to trim production costs all the time. Nintendo is best at this though.

-http://play.tm/news/10435/bach-promises-xbox-profit-in-2008/
-http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/05/04/185224.shtml?tid=211

Yeah true consoles release at a loss but what I think is in question is your date. And what does software sales have to do with selling hardware at a loss? Microsoft trimed 360 manufacturing cost by 40% in Nov 21 2006 and started gain small profits in 2007. But the with RROD MS once again changed hardware so it's iffy when they crawled out out of the black.

-http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3/news.html?sid=6181753&mode=news

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]because it is incorrect. The 360 has sketchy reports of being profitable back in late 2006, and I believe was confirmed by MS back in late 2007. I know the hardware was profitable long before 2 weeks ago(which would be 3 years). Also, I already pointed out that he was using shipped numbers for a single quarter...a quarter in which MS was clearing out inventory of the 20 gig premium system(ie holding off shipments till the retail channel had cleared. Steppy_76

[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]poor sony, they deserve better. PS3 is the best system this gen IMOBioShockOwnz

Best system this gen? I'd agree.

Best online infrastructure this gen? I'd disagree.

Best games this gen? I'd disagree.

While the system is a winner, its other components are behind, imo.

So how is the PS3 the best system this gen in your opinion if you dont think it has the best games or the best online?

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]poor sony, they deserve better. PS3 is the best system this gen IMORepublican11

Best system this gen? I'd agree.

Best online infrastructure this gen? I'd disagree.

Best games this gen? I'd disagree.

While the system is a winner, its other components are behind, imo.

So how is the PS3 the best system this gen in your opinion if you dont think it has the best games or the best online?

[QUOTE="Republican11"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Best system this gen? I'd agree.

Best online infrastructure this gen? I'd disagree.

Best games this gen? I'd disagree.

While the system is a winner, its other components are behind, imo.

TREAL_Since

So how is the PS3 the best system this gen in your opinion if you dont think it has the best games or the best online?

I guess I can see that, but the two biggest points IMO for a system to be the best is games and online. Yes, blu-ray is nice, but I play games a lot more than I watch movies.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Republican11"]

So how is the PS3 the best system this gen in your opinion if you dont think it has the best games or the best online?

Republican11

I guess I can see that, but the two biggest points IMO for a system to be the best is games and online. Yes, blu-ray is nice, but I play games a lot more than I watch movies.

[QUOTE="Republican11"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] The system itself and what it offers you for your money. The PS3 is a great buy. But I'm sure he likes the games more on 360.TREAL_Since

I guess I can see that, but the two biggest points IMO for a system to be the best is games and online. Yes, blu-ray is nice, but I play games a lot more than I watch movies.

Honestly last gen I couldn't really pick a best system. I loved the exclusives on the GCN and the PS2, but loved playing online on the xbox. This is really the first gen I can say I reallyfavor one system over another by a large margin, and I have been gaming since the NES era.

Lol really lems are desperate. They're playing sales now LOL. It's not our fault that almost all of you exclusives of '08 flopped. PS3 won ' 08, don't be jealous lemmins and stop the damage control.knight-k

for this moment, PS3 is like a submarine, it sinks but hard to drown.

1. The PS3's big bonus is its ability to double as a Blu-Ray player. Too bad no one seems to care about hi-def DVDs.The differences between Blu-Ray and DVD are hard to see on a TV less than 50".

Nisim19

This second claim is pure BS. Anyway -

I don't care if Sony sinks or not. I will sell PS3 If that is going to happen. Right now I'm happy with it and most of the time I play online but not every day. I play maybe 10 times in a month, sometimes even less.

So I'll buy X360 if Sony sink. Only thing what will bother me is paying for online because Gold card or whatever cost 100$ not 40-50$ Where I live. Sometimes I don't play for a month or two so is it possible to pay for a one month only.

for this moment, PS3 is like a submarine, it sinks but hard to drown.

Leo-Magic