CNN Money- PS3 A Sinking Ship
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I'm just so glad I didn't buy into the hype and get a PS3 at launch. I've been able to sit back and watch everything unfold and I feel a huge sense of relief. Do I wanna play KZ2 and GoW3? Of course, and someday I'm sure I will. I'm thinkin around 2010 when I can buy a PS3 and both games at a pawn shop for around $150.
I admit it amazes me to see people stand by Sony through all this, its the only thing that keeps system wars interesting. Then again, if I was over a grand in the hole on account of a stinker I suppose I'd be obliged to defend it too. The XBOX720 will come out by the time the PS3 library gets half way interesting, hopefully driving its ridiculous price down, keeping me busy while all the predictable bugs on the new XBOXs get fixed...
they're continuing to lose money, in order to recover they need to make money.[QUOTE="MarloStanfield"][QUOTE="munu9"] How is it not going better. It's sold more worldwide this year than last year plus they're talking a smaller loss than last year. Cu_sidhe
Seriously, do people still believe this crap?
Cost of production is now about 400 USD.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ps3-production-costs-halved-says-analyst
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jan2008/gb2008018_681920_page_2.htm
The 80 gig is priced at 399 USD which means that the PS3 is, more or less, breaking even.
Hurrrr PS3 is still losing money.
You just proved that the PS3 is still losing money.
They have to make it + ship it + market it
PS3 price =$400
Cost to manufacture = $400
Shipping & Handling = ?
Marketing, advertisng & promotion = ?
Good job on demonstrating that the PS3 is still in the red. :)
Well isnt KZ2 supposed to be their "killer ap" I mean basically since 2005 it seems that KZ2 has pretty much represents what the PS3 was supposed to do.[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]It's sad to see Sony is such a poor position, I hope they come back from it. They do need that killer app that'll excite people like Halo or Gears. MGS4 seemed to be it, but sales dropped off and people seemed to stop caring.BioShockOwnz
We'll see. I don't see KZ2 generating much buzz outside of the more hardcore gaming community.
same here. don't get me wrong, its a day one purchase here. but it just doesn't generate the sales of say, a gears or halo title.
[QUOTE="Cu_sidhe"][QUOTE="MarloStanfield"] they're continuing to lose money, in order to recover they need to make money. SUD123456
Seriously, do people still believe this crap?
Cost of production is now about 400 USD.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ps3-production-costs-halved-says-analyst
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jan2008/gb2008018_681920_page_2.htm
The 80 gig is priced at 399 USD which means that the PS3 is, more or less, breaking even.
Hurrrr PS3 is still losing money.
You just proved that the PS3 is still losing money.
They have to make it + ship it + market it
PS3 price =$400
Cost to manufacture = $400
Shipping & Handling = ?
Marketing, advertisng & promotion = ?
Good job on demonstrating that the PS3 is still in the red. :)
not to mention they dont get all of that $400. It's the store that sells it for $400, Sony sells it to them for less than that.
[QUOTE="SUD123456"][QUOTE="Cu_sidhe"]Seriously, do people still believe this crap?
Cost of production is now about 400 USD.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ps3-production-costs-halved-says-analyst
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jan2008/gb2008018_681920_page_2.htm
The 80 gig is priced at 399 USD which means that the PS3 is, more or less, breaking even.
Hurrrr PS3 is still losing money.
Guybrush_3
You just proved that the PS3 is still losing money.
They have to make it + ship it + market it
PS3 price =$400
Cost to manufacture = $400
Shipping & Handling = ?
Marketing, advertisng & promotion = ?
Good job on demonstrating that the PS3 is still in the red. :)
not to mention they dont get all of that $400. It's the store that sells it for $400, Sony sells it to them for less than that.
they should start charging for PSN to get some of that money back.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/siliconalley/personal-tech/2008_12_sonys_ps3_a_sinking_ship_sales_plummet_sne.html
Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet
Alone among the three major videogame consoles, sales of the PS3 are down about 19% from November 2007, according to the latest stats from the NPD Group. Sony was only able to sell 378,000 PS3s this November, compared to 466,000 last year.
And the problem for Sony isn't the recession, it's the PS3. Microsoft (MSFT) put up respectable numbers with its Xbox 360, selling 836,000 units vs 777,000 in November 2007. And Nintendo's (NTDOY) Wii continues to dominate the market, more than doubling sales from 981,000 to 2.04 million.
So why is the PS3 flopping so badly?
- It's the most expensive console on the market, $150 - $200 more than its rivals. Even if you believe the video game industry is "recession-proof" (it isn't), a tanking economy makes consumers more price-conscious.
- The PS3's big bonus is its ability to double as a Blu-Ray player. Too bad no one seems to care about hi-def DVDs.The differences between Blu-Ray and DVD are hard to see on a TV less than 50".
- The PS3 just doesn't have any must-have titles exclusive to the console. "LittleBigPlanet" has generated decent buzz but isn't a game-changer, and neither is Sony's new virtual world "Home."
"Tell yourself the PS3 has superior graphics if it makes you feel better, but a $400 console with a mediocre game library simply cannot compete against an Xbox 360 priced at $200 in this economy."Nisim19
Blue = right on.
Red = complete BS.
[QUOTE="Nisim19"]http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/siliconalley/personal-tech/2008_12_sonys_ps3_a_sinking_ship_sales_plummet_sne.html
Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet
Alone among the three major videogame consoles, sales of the PS3 are down about 19% from November 2007, according to the latest stats from the NPD Group. Sony was only able to sell 378,000 PS3s this November, compared to 466,000 last year.
And the problem for Sony isn't the recession, it's the PS3. Microsoft (MSFT) put up respectable numbers with its Xbox 360, selling 836,000 units vs 777,000 in November 2007. And Nintendo's (NTDOY) Wii continues to dominate the market, more than doubling sales from 981,000 to 2.04 million.
So why is the PS3 flopping so badly?
- It's the most expensive console on the market, $150 - $200 more than its rivals. Even if you believe the video game industry is "recession-proof" (it isn't), a tanking economy makes consumers more price-conscious.
- The PS3's big bonus is its ability to double as a Blu-Ray player. Too bad no one seems to care about hi-def DVDs.The differences between Blu-Ray and DVD are hard to see on a TV less than 50".
- The PS3 just doesn't have any must-have titles exclusive to the console. "LittleBigPlanet" has generated decent buzz but isn't a game-changer, and neither is Sony's new virtual world "Home."
"Tell yourself the PS3 has superior graphics if it makes you feel better, but a $400 console with a mediocre game library simply cannot compete against an Xbox 360 priced at $200 in this economy."Storm_Marine
Blue = right on.
Red = complete BS.
in your opinion - not in the opinion of the majority, which is what really matters when it comes to business.The RROD didn't hurt the 360? Are you insane? Also, life support is dropping your price by 100 bucks in its first year and having a larger money deficit to make up. Lastly, all your link showed was sony SHIPPING more units out in a quarter than MS did...coincidentally a quarter where MS was clearing inventory of the 20 gig premiums for the 60 gig. What IS interesting is that link has a link to sony's shipping numbers. As of Sept 31, sony had shipped 13.23 million consoles. As of Nov 30, MS had shipped 25+ million. Even if the PS3 shipped 3 million consoles in oct and Nov, that still puts it 9 million behind 360 shipped and still would have it shipping 750,000 units less than Cows have been claiming it's userbase to be for a couple months now(17 million) and that's if every single PS3 they shipped was sold to customers...judging from the number of PS3's I see in every store I go to, that is an impossibility.Steppy_76Yes tell me, how did it hurt the 360's sales? People aren't really effected buy it, it's a negative towards the 360 but it's only as big of a negative as PS3 having installs. It doesn't really effect sales. People turn to PS3 AFTER they bought their 360 that got RROD in most cases, not before. Where does it say shipped? It only says "unit sales". And I don't know you're getting 13.23 million look it at again, you have to add the 2 quarter sales figures to the 2 yearly sales making it over 16 million as of Q2 like the damn article says if you read it more carefully!! Larger money deficit? Any proof of that? I was sure they're almost breaking even with the 40GB. Unlike how they were taking massive losses with the PS3 a year ago. Life support my ass. And yes, because you see PS3's in your stores, that's a great way to judge worldwide sales figures :roll:
[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"][QUOTE="Nisim19"]http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/siliconalley/personal-tech/2008_12_sonys_ps3_a_sinking_ship_sales_plummet_sne.html
Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet
Alone among the three major videogame consoles, sales of the PS3 are down about 19% from November 2007, according to the latest stats from the NPD Group. Sony was only able to sell 378,000 PS3s this November, compared to 466,000 last year.
And the problem for Sony isn't the recession, it's the PS3. Microsoft (MSFT) put up respectable numbers with its Xbox 360, selling 836,000 units vs 777,000 in November 2007. And Nintendo's (NTDOY) Wii continues to dominate the market, more than doubling sales from 981,000 to 2.04 million.
So why is the PS3 flopping so badly?
- It's the most expensive console on the market, $150 - $200 more than its rivals. Even if you believe the video game industry is "recession-proof" (it isn't), a tanking economy makes consumers more price-conscious.
- The PS3's big bonus is its ability to double as a Blu-Ray player. Too bad no one seems to care about hi-def DVDs.The differences between Blu-Ray and DVD are hard to see on a TV less than 50".
- The PS3 just doesn't have any must-have titles exclusive to the console. "LittleBigPlanet" has generated decent buzz but isn't a game-changer, and neither is Sony's new virtual world "Home."
"Tell yourself the PS3 has superior graphics if it makes you feel better, but a $400 console with a mediocre game library simply cannot compete against an Xbox 360 priced at $200 in this economy."3picuri3
Blue = right on.
Red = complete BS.
in your opinion - not in the opinion of the majority, which is what really matters when it comes to business.And unlike me, you speak for this "majority"??
[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]in your opinion - not in the opinion of the majority, which is what really matters when it comes to business.Blue = right on.
Red = complete BS.
Storm_Marine
And unlike me, you speak for this "majority"??
are you serious? did you read the many many articles yesterday? lol. released by CNN Money, Forbes, Reuters, Washington Post, Financial Times, NYT. i'll take their word over yours thanks.[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] in your opinion - not in the opinion of the majority, which is what really matters when it comes to business.3picuri3
And unlike me, you speak for this "majority"??
are you serious? did you read the many many articles yesterday? lol. released by CNN Money, Forbes, Reuters, Washington Post, Financial Times, NYT. i'll take their word over yours thanks.And they all say that the PS3's got a mediocre library? I didn't realize the quality of games was their specialty.
[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]in your opinion - not in the opinion of the majority, which is what really matters when it comes to business.Blue = right on.
Red = complete BS.
Storm_Marine
And unlike me, you speak for this "majority"??
Typically, the best way to see the majority's opinion is to look at what the majority is spending their money on.And unlike me, you speak for this "majority"??
are you serious? did you read the many many articles yesterday? lol. released by CNN Money, Forbes, Reuters, Washington Post, Financial Times, NYT. i'll take their word over yours thanks.And they all say that the PS3's got a mediocre library? I didn't realize the quality of games was their specialty.
It does have a mediocre library if you don't like MGS, and even more if you dont like MGS and LBP.What's more likely? That Mummy and Daddy checked Gamerankings when deciding what to get Little Timmy;and concluded that the Wii and 360 have the must have games and that the PS3's library is mediocre.
OR that Mummy and Daddy are on a budget, and don't want to spend $400 dollars on a gaming console.
how does that have anything to do with anything? did you read the article? they're not speaking of scores, but rather what is selling well... seriously. read.What's more likely? That Mummy and Daddy checked Gamerankings when deciding what to get Little Timmy;and concluded that the Wii and 360 have the must have games and that the PS3's library is mediocre.
OR that Mummy and Daddy are on a budget, and don't want to spend $400 dollars on a gaming console.
Storm_Marine
What's more likely? That Mummy and Daddy checked Gamerankings when deciding what to get Little Timmy;and concluded that the Wii and 360 have the must have games and that the PS3's library is mediocre.
OR that Mummy and Daddy are on a budget, and don't want to spend $400 dollars on a gaming console.
yes exactly, your point?What's more likely? That Mummy and Daddy checked Gamerankings when deciding what to get Little Timmy;and concluded that the Wii and 360 have the must have games and that the PS3's library is mediocre.
OR that Mummy and Daddy are on a budget, and don't want to spend $400 dollars on a gaming console.
yes exactly, your point? i think his point is that he didn't read the article, but wants to make arguments that both support it and attack it :roll:[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]how does that have anything to do with anything? did you read the article? they're not speaking of scores, but rather what is selling well... seriously. read.What's more likely? That Mummy and Daddy checked Gamerankings when deciding what to get Little Timmy;and concluded that the Wii and 360 have the must have games and that the PS3's library is mediocre.
OR that Mummy and Daddy are on a budget, and don't want to spend $400 dollars on a gaming console.
3picuri3
Which is why I agree with the first statement. It's logical and objective and relevant to the market.
The 3rd statement seems like it was written by some SW fanboy.
[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]how does that have anything to do with anything? did you read the article? they're not speaking of scores, but rather what is selling well... seriously. read.What's more likely? That Mummy and Daddy checked Gamerankings when deciding what to get Little Timmy;and concluded that the Wii and 360 have the must have games and that the PS3's library is mediocre.
OR that Mummy and Daddy are on a budget, and don't want to spend $400 dollars on a gaming console.
Storm_Marine
Which is why I agree with the first statement. It's logical and objective and relevant to the market.
The 3rd statement seems like it was written by some SW fanboy.
or you're just haven't read the article. if you did you'd know you're misunderstanding the point... think you might spend too much time in SW if you think everyone is a fanboy.[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] how does that have anything to do with anything? did you read the article? they're not speaking of scores, but rather what is selling well... seriously. read.3picuri3
Which is why I agree with the first statement. It's logical and objective and relevant to the market.
The 3rd statement seems like it was written by some SW fanboy.
or you're just haven't read the article. if you did you'd know you're misunderstanding the point... think you might spend too much time in SW if you think everyone is a fanboy.I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.
Which is why I agree with the first statement. It's logical and objective and relevant to the market.
The 3rd statement seems like it was written by some SW fanboy.
or you're just haven't read the article. if you did you'd know you're misunderstanding the point... think you might spend too much time in SW if you think everyone is a fanboy.I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.
And again, what is your point?[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] or you're just haven't read the article. if you did you'd know you're misunderstanding the point... think you might spend too much time in SW if you think everyone is a fanboy.longshotgir
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.
And again, what is your point?OP's '3rd reason the PS3 is flopping', is ignorant and extremely damaging to the article's credibiltiy.
[QUOTE="longshotgir"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]And again, what is your point?I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.
Storm_Marine
OP's '3rd reason the PS3 is flopping', is ignorant and extremely damaging to the article's credibiltiy.
yet you continue to refuse to read the article and put it in perspective. this is what happens when you base your argument off a summary :roll:I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.
And again, what is your point?OP's '3rd reason the PS3 is flopping', is ignorant and extremely damaging to the article's credibiltiy.
Why? Do you think masses care about MGS or LBP? No, sadly, they care about Halo and Gears of War. The PS3's library is good to people who are into it's games , but for the average Joe 360 gamers, its nothing short of medicore.[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"][QUOTE="longshotgir"] And again, what is your point?longshotgir
OP's '3rd reason the PS3 is flopping', is ignorant and extremely damaging to the article's credibiltiy.
Why? Do you think masses care about MGS or LBP? No, sadly, they care about Halo and Gears of War. The PS3's library is good to people who are into it's games , but for the average Joe 360 gamers, its nothing short of medicore. exactly... storm keeps thinking that just because SW likes a game it means good business. the article is about the business side of things, not quality. but he obviously didn't read it.[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]The RROD didn't hurt the 360? Are you insane? Also, life support is dropping your price by 100 bucks in its first year and having a larger money deficit to make up. Lastly, all your link showed was sony SHIPPING more units out in a quarter than MS did...coincidentally a quarter where MS was clearing inventory of the 20 gig premiums for the 60 gig. What IS interesting is that link has a link to sony's shipping numbers. As of Sept 31, sony had shipped 13.23 million consoles. As of Nov 30, MS had shipped 25+ million. Even if the PS3 shipped 3 million consoles in oct and Nov, that still puts it 9 million behind 360 shipped and still would have it shipping 750,000 units less than Cows have been claiming it's userbase to be for a couple months now(17 million) and that's if every single PS3 they shipped was sold to customers...judging from the number of PS3's I see in every store I go to, that is an impossibility.munu9Yes tell me, how did it hurt the 360's sales? People aren't really effected buy it, it's a negative towards the 360 but it's only as big of a negative as PS3 having installs. It doesn't really effect sales. People turn to PS3 AFTER they bought their 360 that got RROD in most cases, not before. Where does it say shipped? It only says "unit sales". And I don't know you're getting 13.23 million look it at again, you have to add the 2 quarter sales figures to the 2 yearly sales making it over 16 million as of Q2 like the damn article says if you read it more carefully!! Larger money deficit? Any proof of that? I was sure they're almost breaking even with the 40GB. Unlike how they were taking massive losses with the PS3 a year ago. Life support my ass. And yes, because you see PS3's in your stores, that's a great way to judge worldwide sales figures :roll:The RROD was not only very well known by those of us here, but by the mainstream media. Guess what, there is a large segment of the population that are afraid to buy possible faulty products. If you think it had no effect, you quite frankly are crazy. The sales figure he got is from sony's website. The companies have no way of reporting sold to customers, the only numbers they can track are "units sold"....to retail. Once stores have them, as far as Sony is concerned, they ARE sold. www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html You're right, I did make a mistake an forgot to add the 3.61 million units sold in FY 2006. Either way, 16.84 million shipped is somewhere south of 17 million sold to customers, even IF every single PS3 ever shipped to retailers was sold out(ie no PS3 could have been in a store). So, yes unless there isn't a PS3 to be found at a given time, the numbers on that website are higher than what the actual userbase is. The numbers of that website represent the highest possible sales a machine could have on that date if every single PS3 they've shipped has been sold. Sony sold the PS3 for 500 and 600 dollars at launch. I guarantee they had to sell them that high and there were no plans to drop the price by 100 bucks within the first year. Since they had to drop the price, they lost more money than they intended (ie a larger money deficit). I am also pretty sure that Sony was projecting the PS3 to sell at least somewhat close to their prior 2 systems, but without that size userbase they don't make as much money at the end of the gen(where the initial losses end up paying off). Do I think they'll can the PS3 now like the DC? No. Do I think they'll wait till 2013 for a PS4 if things don't improve? Not a chance. Do I think the PS3 will be supported as long as the PS2 if things remain the same? Absolutely not.
[QUOTE="longshotgir"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]Why? Do you think masses care about MGS or LBP? No, sadly, they care about Halo and Gears of War. The PS3's library is good to people who are into it's games , but for the average Joe 360 gamers, its nothing short of medicore. exactly... storm keeps thinking that just because SW likes a game it means good business. the article is about the business side of things, not quality. but he obviously didn't read it.OP's '3rd reason the PS3 is flopping', is ignorant and extremely damaging to the article's credibiltiy.
3picuri3
Fine, so explain it for me plz. I am obviously ignorant.
Simply put, I don't understand who CNN is to claim the PS3 has a mediocre library.
[QUOTE="munu9"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]The RROD didn't hurt the 360? Are you insane? Also, life support is dropping your price by 100 bucks in its first year and having a larger money deficit to make up. Lastly, all your link showed was sony SHIPPING more units out in a quarter than MS did...coincidentally a quarter where MS was clearing inventory of the 20 gig premiums for the 60 gig. What IS interesting is that link has a link to sony's shipping numbers. As of Sept 31, sony had shipped 13.23 million consoles. As of Nov 30, MS had shipped 25+ million. Even if the PS3 shipped 3 million consoles in oct and Nov, that still puts it 9 million behind 360 shipped and still would have it shipping 750,000 units less than Cows have been claiming it's userbase to be for a couple months now(17 million) and that's if every single PS3 they shipped was sold to customers...judging from the number of PS3's I see in every store I go to, that is an impossibility.Steppy_76Yes tell me, how did it hurt the 360's sales? People aren't really effected buy it, it's a negative towards the 360 but it's only as big of a negative as PS3 having installs. It doesn't really effect sales. People turn to PS3 AFTER they bought their 360 that got RROD in most cases, not before. Where does it say shipped? It only says "unit sales". And I don't know you're getting 13.23 million look it at again, you have to add the 2 quarter sales figures to the 2 yearly sales making it over 16 million as of Q2 like the damn article says if you read it more carefully!! Larger money deficit? Any proof of that? I was sure they're almost breaking even with the 40GB. Unlike how they were taking massive losses with the PS3 a year ago. Life support my ass. And yes, because you see PS3's in your stores, that's a great way to judge worldwide sales figures :roll:The RROD was not only very well known by those of us here, but by the mainstream media. Guess what, there is a large segment of the population that are afraid to buy possible faulty products. If you think it had no effect, you quite frankly are crazy. The sales figure he got is from sony's website. The companies have no way of reporting sold to customers, the only numbers they can track are "units sold"....to retail. Once stores have them, as far as Sony is concerned, they ARE sold. www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html You're right, I did make a mistake an forgot to add the 3.61 million units sold in FY 2006. Either way, 16.84 million shipped is somewhere south of 17 million sold to customers, even IF every single PS3 ever shipped to retailers was sold out(ie no PS3 could have been in a store). So, yes unless there isn't a PS3 to be found at a given time, the numbers on that website are higher than what the actual userbase is. The numbers of that website represent the highest possible sales a machine could have on that date if every single PS3 they've shipped has been sold. Sony sold the PS3 for 500 and 600 dollars at launch. I guarantee they had to sell them that high and there were no plans to drop the price by 100 bucks within the first year. Since they had to drop the price, they lost more money than they intended (ie a larger money deficit). I am also pretty sure that Sony was projecting the PS3 to sell at least somewhat close to their prior 2 systems, but without that size userbase they don't make as much money at the end of the gen(where the initial losses end up paying off). Do I think they'll can the PS3 now like the DC? No. Do I think they'll wait till 2013 for a PS4 if things don't improve? Not a chance. Do I think the PS3 will be supported as long as the PS2 if things remain the same? Absolutely not. spot on. you sir win the internetz, ownage approved.
Then go to CNN and tell them that. They'll tell you 'who are you a web forum dude to tell us about business and games'. SW is not like the real world. Masses dont care about the deep quality of certain titles, they care about entertainment.Simply put, I don't understand who CNN is to claim the PS3 has a mediocre library.
Storm_Marine
They're speaking from a business sense - saying the general public doesn't see the library as strong as that of the 360 and Wii. For example, you may love LBP (a lot of people around here do) but the sales indicate that the average consumer isn't interested. Aside from multiplats, what games on the system are getting stratospheric sales? As far as I know, only MGS4.Simply put, I don't understand who CNN is to claim the PS3 has a mediocre library.
Storm_Marine
[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]Then go to CNN and tell them that. They'll tell you 'who are you a web forum dude to tell us about business and games'. SW is not like the real world. Masses dont care about the deep quality of certain titles, they care about entertainment.Simply put, I don't understand who CNN is to claim the PS3 has a mediocre library.
longshotgir
So...when they say mediocre, they mean low mass market appeal?
[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]They're speaking from a business sense - saying the general public doesn't see the library as strong as that of the 360 and Wii. For example, you may love LBP (a lot of people around here do) but the sales indicate that the average consumer isn't interested. Aside from multiplats, what games on the system are getting stratospheric sales? As far as I know, only MGS4.Simply put, I don't understand who CNN is to claim the PS3 has a mediocre library.
mattbbpl
Ok now I understand their perspective.
Sorry for being annoying, everyone. :oops:
Simply put, I don't understand who CNN is to claim the PS3 has a mediocre library.
Then go to CNN and tell them that. They'll tell you 'who are you a web forum dude to tell us about business and games'. SW is not like the real world. Masses dont care about the deep quality of certain titles, they care about entertainment.So...when they say mediocre, they mean low mass market appeal?
Correct. If you find the library to be steller through personal preference, then great. But that's not really what they're referring to.Simply put, I don't understand who CNN is to claim the PS3 has a mediocre library.
Then go to CNN and tell them that. They'll tell you 'who are you a web forum dude to tell us about business and games'. SW is not like the real world. Masses dont care about the deep quality of certain titles, they care about entertainment.So...when they say mediocre, they mean low mass market appeal?
From a business point, yes. Its no secret PS3 games don't sell as well as other consoles' games and that the PS3 attach rate is significantly lower than that of the 360 (i dont remember about wii though). Come on, we are SW, a forum of video game elitists. If we ae here is because we like quality titles , but the real world doesnt care about MGS or LBP. Average Joe doesnt. Average Joe cares about blood and guts and party games.Simply put, I don't understand who CNN is to claim the PS3 has a mediocre library.
They're speaking from a business sense - saying the general public doesn't see the library as strong as that of the 360 and Wii. For example, you may love LBP (a lot of people around here do) but the sales indicate that the average consumer isn't interested. Aside from multiplats, what games on the system are getting stratospheric sales? As far as I know, only MGS4.Ok now I understand their perspective.
Sorry for being annoying, everyone. :oops:
no problem fella.
MGS4 is my PS3 killer app I freakin love it and the MGO. But Sony should have pulled the price down to compete. It should be $350 or $299. How many of you guys would finally buy a PS3 if it was those prices?caseypayne69would still have to be cheaper for me.. the only game i'm really interested in is LBP... so until something else comes out that excites me i'm gonna have to say i'd need a 199 model.
[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]The RROD was not only very well known by those of us here, but by the mainstream media. Guess what, there is a large segment of the population that are afraid to buy possible faulty products. If you think it had no effect, you quite frankly are crazy. The sales figure he got is from sony's website. The companies have no way of reporting sold to customers, the only numbers they can track are "units sold"....to retail. Once stores have them, as far as Sony is concerned, they ARE sold. www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html You're right, I did make a mistake an forgot to add the 3.61 million units sold in FY 2006. Either way, 16.84 million shipped is somewhere south of 17 million sold to customers, even IF every single PS3 ever shipped to retailers was sold out(ie no PS3 could have been in a store). So, yes unless there isn't a PS3 to be found at a given time, the numbers on that website are higher than what the actual userbase is. The numbers of that website represent the highest possible sales a machine could have on that date if every single PS3 they've shipped has been sold. Sony sold the PS3 for 500 and 600 dollars at launch. I guarantee they had to sell them that high and there were no plans to drop the price by 100 bucks within the first year. Since they had to drop the price, they lost more money than they intended (ie a larger money deficit). I am also pretty sure that Sony was projecting the PS3 to sell at least somewhat close to their prior 2 systems, but without that size userbase they don't make as much money at the end of the gen(where the initial losses end up paying off). Do I think they'll can the PS3 now like the DC? No. Do I think they'll wait till 2013 for a PS4 if things don't improve? Not a chance. Do I think the PS3 will be supported as long as the PS2 if things remain the same? Absolutely not.munu9There isn't a large segment of the population that is scared to buy the 360 out of RROD. Do you really think if the 360 didn't have RROD it would be selling MUCH better? And while we're at using personal experience, everyone I know who wanted a 360 bought one. I don't know a single guy who didn't buy the 360 because of RROD. Again you have no proof they are shipped. How do you know sony isn't basing those numbers of sources that track sales? How do you know there were no plans to drop the price? If you read the post a few post above my other post, there is a link stating sony is nearly breaking even on the 40GB :| Things are improving, so far in the year it's sold better than the PS3 has sold last year total. Why can't you understand that? They are not only losing less money but selling more units overall worldwide. Look that "unit sales" chart again. They managed get twice as many units to stores in the first 2 quarters of 2008 than in 2007. The PS3 is doing fine :| There are plenty of people on this website who picked the PS3 over the 360 solely for the reason of RROD. If you don't think a negative perception from the public at large disways at least SOME potential purchasers, then nothing I say will do it, because you obviously don't feel like using common sense. Yes, I DO think the 360 would have sold better without the RROD problem, especially at the higher prices...now that it's getting cheaper more people who were hesitant will buy it because 200 bucks is a MUCH smaller gamble than 300 or 400. Once again, common sense dictates that they weren't planning on dropping the price that quick, sales dictated it HAD to be done...if they planned on dropping it that quick they wouldn't have even released it at those pricepoints to begin with. Lastly, we know those are shipped sales because that is what companies have reported forever, that's the only thing they know and have control of and can track. They sell finished consoles to retailers, and that is what they track. If I run a mile with a broken leg this year, and then improve on that time next year does that mean I'm a world class runner? The PS2 had shipped close to 30 million consoles the first two years and that was with it only being available in Japan for the first 6 of those months. Lastly, they double their shipments the quarter MGS4 came out, and when LBP, R2, etc came out. We know that it's heavy hitters haven't sold as well as thought, so let's see what happens to the numbers after that. The PS3 arguably is doing "fine", but doing fine won't get them sales near last gen, nor will it keep the PS3 supported as long as the PS2...which will need to happen for the PS3 to "eventually" pass the 360 like a few a clinging to the hope of.
There are plenty of people on this website who picked the PS3 over the 360 solely for the reason of RROD. If you don't think a negative perception from the public at large disways at least SOME potential purchasers, then nothing I say will do it, because you obviously don't feel like using common sense. Yes, I DO think the 360 would have sold better without the RROD problem, especially at the higher prices...now that it's getting cheaper more people who were hesitant will buy it because 200 bucks is a MUCH smaller gamble than 300 or 400. Once again, common sense dictates that they weren't planning on dropping the price that quick, sales dictated it HAD to be done...if they planned on dropping it that quick they wouldn't have even released it at those pricepoints to begin with. Lastly, we know those are shipped sales because that is what companies have reported forever, that's the only thing they know and have control of and can track. They sell finished consoles to retailers, and that is what they track. If I run a mile with a broken leg this year, and then improve on that time next year does that mean I'm a world class runner? The PS2 had shipped close to 30 million consoles the first two years and that was with it only being available in Japan for the first 6 of those months. Lastly, they double their shipments the quarter MGS4 came out, and when LBP, R2, etc came out. We know that it's heavy hitters haven't sold as well as thought, so let's see what happens to the numbers after that. The PS3 arguably is doing "fine", but doing fine won't get them sales near last gen, nor will it keep the PS3 supported as long as the PS2...which will need to happen for the PS3 to "eventually" pass the 360 like a few a clinging to the hope of.Steppy_76We're not talk about hardcore gamers on this website, we're talking about the general public that isn't as smart. Sure it may have improved sales SOME, but not to any significant degree as you were previously implying. Why not? They needed to drop the price at the same rate as prices for components fell and they fell fast. $500 to $600 is insanely expensive and it's not desperate to want to lower those prices quickly. You see the PS3 wasn't running with a broken leg last year it. It was barely outsold by the 360 world wide http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=567014 I never claimed the PS3 was going to do as good as the PS2. But the PS3 is not doing baldy. The Ps3 doesn't need to do as insanely good as the PS2. All it needs to do is sell at least 30-40 million have many million selling games. And it would have done better than the majority of consoles every made and enough to clearly warrant a PS4. LBP and R2 got off to slow start but I'm sure they have both surpassed a million and will go on to surpass 2 million and more.
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