Crysis 2 - Consolized to the max! Crysis fans beware...

System Wars word of the week: consolization.

789shadow

More like every week, sometimes 2nd to graphics king.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

System Wars word of the week: consolization.

JangoWuzHere

More like every week, sometimes 2nd to graphics king.

Wasn't last week "Killzone 3 water?"

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

System Wars word of the week: consolization.

ChubbyGuy40

More like every week, sometimes 2nd to graphics king.

Wasn't last week "Killzone 3 water?"

Meta word: FOLIAGE.

I knew I was gonna get jumped on for my statements.

[QUOTE="jerkface96"] wait console gamers dont give a damn about their games????? Who are the people on this system wars board then complaining about games and hyping games and saying how great games are? Surely its not just the pc gamers.... hell all I ever see in her from a PC gamer is Teh Crysis. ChubbyGuy40

All I ever hear from consolers are FPS games and Uncharted 2. How great they are and how inferior PC is because it costs more. You see console gamers complaining about visuals more than the actual game. We talk about a lot more games than Crysis. Its consolite's favorite game they never got to play.

Also notice how I never said console gamers don't care about their games.

Console gamers care about there games just the same, we are all gamers and care about games, what system you play on dosent matter.

Advid-Gamer

You see console gamers comparing graphics more than gameplay elements here. Over petty little things such as color difference. They're pretty much happy with whatever they're given to play with. You see our critcism as complaining and being elitist simply because "we can." We're trying to improve the games the developers put out. Consolers do not care about their games the same PC fans do. It doesn't matter what system you are on. PC users, like myself obivously, are much more vocal and outspoken about our opinions.

Exactly the type of elitist attitude that makes PC gamers look bad. Do you REALLY think that console gamers don't care about buying bad games? Games like Call of Duty are also a high selling game on PC, not just consoles, and the console gamers that buy them are just 10-13 year olds trying to blend in with the crowd.

The gunplays better, the suit is far more flexible, there's still interaction (you can pick up pretty much anything and throw it, just like Crysis 1), the atmosphere is MUCH better, the sound design is better, the aliens are better, the animations are better, the story is better, the presentation is better, the ai is better, the level design is still open, maybe not to the extent of Crysis 1 but it's nowhere near a COD clone, but yeah, I can't blow a hut apart so it's instantly terrible. :roll:

DreamCryotank

[QUOTE="DreamCryotank"]

The gunplays better, the suit is far more flexible, there's still interaction (you can pick up pretty much anything and throw it, just like Crysis 1), the atmosphere is MUCH better, the sound design is better, the aliens are better, the animations are better, the story is better, the presentation is better, the ai is better, the level design is still open, maybe not to the extent of Crysis 1 but it's nowhere near a COD clone, but yeah, I can't blow a hut apart so it's instantly terrible. :roll:

-CheeseEater-

[QUOTE="-CheeseEater-"][QUOTE="DreamCryotank"]

The gunplays better, the suit is far more flexible, there's still interaction (you can pick up pretty much anything and throw it, just like Crysis 1), the atmosphere is MUCH better, the sound design is better, the aliens are better, the animations are better, the story is better, the presentation is better, the ai is better, the level design is still open, maybe not to the extent of Crysis 1 but it's nowhere near a COD clone, but yeah, I can't blow a hut apart so it's instantly terrible. :roll:

ocstew

Because this guaruntees the story will be EXCELLENT.

[QUOTE="ocstew"][QUOTE="-CheeseEater-"] I disagree with the majority with what you have stated there. The story in Crysis 2 is absolutely weaksauce.789shadow

Because this guaruntees the story will be EXCELLENT.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="ocstew"] Really? Have you even glimpsed the trailers or bios on the EA website? The fact that they hired a renowned sci-fi author who is also doing a Crysis 2 novel proves you wrong. Oh and what else did you disagree with there? ocstew

Because this guaruntees the story will be EXCELLENT.

Again, no way dude.

[QUOTE="ocstew"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Because this guaruntees the story will be EXCELLENT.

789shadow

Again, no way dude.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="ocstew"] Well it proves it won't be as bad as MW2 or Crysis 1. ocstew

Again, no way dude.

I didn't say any such thing.

[QUOTE="ocstew"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Again, no way dude.

789shadow

I didn't say any such thing.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="ocstew"] Give us reasoning, am I the only one here who backs up claims? There are way more characters in Crysis 2, they have depth and the story links to Crysis 1 in an intriguing way. Just because you can't be assed to look at the trailers or info on the Crysis website and keep on bleating about how consolized and crappy Crysis 2 is, doesn't change that fact.ocstew

I didn't say any such thing.

Why? That becuase they got a popular sci-fi writer to do the story, this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is physically impossible for Crysis 2's story to be anything less than epic and tearjerking, simply because of the author?

Let me collapse this logic in one go: every single phoned in performance in a game by a famous and talented voice actor.

[QUOTE="ocstew"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

I didn't say any such thing.

789shadow

Why? That becuase they got a popular sci-fi writer to do the story, this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is physically impossible for Crysis 2's story to be anything less than epic and tearjerking, simply because of the author?

Let me collapse this logic in one go: every single phoned in performance in a game by a famous and talented voice actor.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="ocstew"] Remove that line and my point still stands. ocstew

Why? That becuase they got a popular sci-fi writer to do the story, this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is physically impossible for Crysis 2's story to be anything less than epic and tearjerking, simply because of the author?

Let me collapse this logic in one go: every single phoned in performance in a game by a famous and talented voice actor.

Any story could conceivably be made to look good if you took just snippets of it.

[QUOTE="ocstew"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Why? That becuase they got a popular sci-fi writer to do the story, this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is physically impossible for Crysis 2's story to be anything less than epic and tearjerking, simply because of the author?

Let me collapse this logic in one go: every single phoned in performance in a game by a famous and talented voice actor.

789shadow

Any story could conceivably be made to look good if you took just snippets of it.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="ocstew"] Well it proves it won't be as bad as MW2 or Crysis 1. Did you read that? I never said that the story would be epic, I said that it couldn't be worse that Crysis 1, because from the leaked beta and everything it already has a much deeper and complex story.ocstew

Any story could conceivably be made to look good if you took just snippets of it.

No you don't......and you can't until you have the full game.

[QUOTE="ocstew"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Why? That becuase they got a popular sci-fi writer to do the story, this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is physically impossible for Crysis 2's story to be anything less than epic and tearjerking, simply because of the author?

Let me collapse this logic in one go: every single phoned in performance in a game by a famous and talented voice actor.

789shadow

Any story could conceivably be made to look good if you took just snippets of it.

[QUOTE="ocstew"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Any story could conceivably be made to look good if you took just snippets of it.

789shadow

No you don't......and you can't until you have the full game.

The typical console gamer will be thrilled with the new Crysis - Can't get enough of generic shooters!
yellonet

The power of genericness compels you!

Call of Duty is a best-seller on the PC too. This notion that PC gamers require more intellectually stimulating games is a bit silly. Ninja-Hippo

console kills another franchise.

up next : witcher and diablo, if they ever come out on consoles.

console kills another franchise.

up next : witcher and diablo, if they ever come out on consoles.

Jankarcop

Its called criticism. Get used to it. Its the best way to improve a product. Stop being so mad we don't have the standards of console gamers.

Criticize the hell out of Bad Company 2 and how it failed to live up to Battlefield 2 and look what you get. Battlefield 3.

ChubbyGuy40

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

console kills another franchise.

up next : witcher and diablo, if they ever come out on consoles.

ocstew

old news. been hiring since last year, and its for a experiment.

we can only pray they fail.

console kills another franchise.

up next : witcher and diablo, if they ever come out on consoles.

Jankarcop

I just want them to give me an option to click for zoom, not hold. And they can fix some things with air stomp and the guns and stuff... minor little adjustments that could evenbe done server side if we're allowed that option. We seemingly are with this "custom" deal.

So what is everyone complaining about? The graphical/visual settings? Bugs?

You are mentally retarded or insane if you honestly think that Crytek is stupid enough to release Crysis 2 with 3 graphical settings and encrypted config files. I actually laugh out loud when I think someone believes this beta is a reflection of any part of the technical aspects of Crysis 2. I mean, considering Crysis's multiplayer was ridiculously terrible for many, many reasons, I don't know what you guys are disapointed with. You actually think this beta is worse than Crysis's original multiplayer? WTF?

It's fornet codeand map fixing. There will be multiple settings to adjust in the PC version. You guys are nuts.

I just want them to give me an option to click for zoom, not hold. And they can fix some things with air stomp and the guns and stuff... minor little adjustments that could evenbe done server side if we're allowed that option. We seemingly are with this "custom" deal.

So what is everyone complaining about? The graphical/visual settings? Bugs?

You are mentally retarded or insane if you honestly think that Crytek is stupid enough to release Crysis 2 with 3 graphical settings and encrypted config files. I actually laugh out loud when I think someone believes this beta is a reflection of any part of the technical aspects of Crysis 2. I mean, considering Crysis's multiplayer was ridiculously terrible for many, many reasons, I don't know what you guys are disapointed with. You actually think this beta is worse than Crysis's original multiplayer? WTF?

It's fornet codeand map fixing. There will be multiple settings to adjust in the PC version. You guys are nuts.

stiggy321

I firmly believe that this MP demo is not what we'll get in the final game. From Crytek's own screenshots and the leak, things like the hand look much smoother. Notice the hand. Also note the absence of the horrific bloom that's currently in the PC demo. Also notice, the lack of that crappy TAA, and how crisp the game looks. There will be better graphics in the final game.

There's a big difference, PC gamers should hope for the best, this MP demo doesn't have the graphics of the final game.

I just want them to give me an option to click for zoom, not hold. And they can fix some things with air stomp and the guns and stuff... minor little adjustments that could evenbe done server side if we're allowed that option. We seemingly are with this "custom" deal.

So what is everyone complaining about? The graphical/visual settings? Bugs?

You are mentally retarded or insane if you honestly think that Crytek is stupid enough to release Crysis 2 with 3 graphical settings and encrypted config files. I actually laugh out loud when I think someone believes this beta is a reflection of any part of the technical aspects of Crysis 2. I mean, considering Crysis's multiplayer was ridiculously terrible for many, many reasons, I don't know what you guys are disapointed with. You actually think this beta is worse than Crysis's original multiplayer? WTF?

It's fornet codeand map fixing. There will be multiple settings to adjust in the PC version. You guys are nuts.

stiggy321

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

console kills another franchise.

up next : witcher and diablo, if they ever come out on consoles.

spookykid143

Has anyone here played the PS1 version of Diablo? I did.

The only thing cool about it was co-op, 2 players killing their way trough the levels. The controls themselfs just felt so clunky and awkward, and the visuals looked blurry as hell. I wouldn't exactly call it a success.

I just want them to give me an option to click for zoom, not hold. And they can fix some things with air stomp and the guns and stuff... minor little adjustments that could evenbe done server side if we're allowed that option. We seemingly are with this "custom" deal.

So what is everyone complaining about? The graphical/visual settings? Bugs?

You are mentally retarded or insane if you honestly think that Crytek is stupid enough to release Crysis 2 with 3 graphical settings and encrypted config files. I actually laugh out loud when I think someone believes this beta is a reflection of any part of the technical aspects of Crysis 2. I mean, considering Crysis's multiplayer was ridiculously terrible for many, many reasons, I don't know what you guys are disapointed with. You actually think this beta is worse than Crysis's original multiplayer? WTF?

It's fornet codeand map fixing. There will be multiple settings to adjust in the PC version. You guys are nuts.

stiggy321

[QUOTE="stiggy321"]

I just want them to give me an option to click for zoom, not hold. And they can fix some things with air stomp and the guns and stuff... minor little adjustments that could evenbe done server side if we're allowed that option. We seemingly are with this "custom" deal.

So what is everyone complaining about? The graphical/visual settings? Bugs?

You are mentally retarded or insane if you honestly think that Crytek is stupid enough to release Crysis 2 with 3 graphical settings and encrypted config files. I actually laugh out loud when I think someone believes this beta is a reflection of any part of the technical aspects of Crysis 2. I mean, considering Crysis's multiplayer was ridiculously terrible for many, many reasons, I don't know what you guys are disapointed with. You actually think this beta is worse than Crysis's original multiplayer? WTF?

It's fornet codeand map fixing. There will be multiple settings to adjust in the PC version. You guys are nuts.

KHAndAnime

I dont know about you guys but I kinda liked the demo for howerver long I was playing for it. Sure I need to change some of the controls (if possible I read somewhere that you couldnt I think). Comparing it to the first crysis and this demo I instantly almost preferred this one. I liked the graphics, sure they didnt look as real but the first crysis aside from the people never looked that special to me. Unless you throw a couple of mods at it crysis just doesnt look that special, if anything really kinda ugly in places. Maybe its my own prefernce and that I prefer the slightly more "coloured" look to the game where everything looks richer.

+ I am a multiplayer kinda person and fell out of love for playing single player games many many many years ago :P.

I dont know about you guys but I kinda liked the demo for howerver long I was playing for it. Sure I need to change some of the controls (if possible I read somewhere that you couldnt I think). Comparing it to the first crysis and this demo I instantly almost preferred this one. I liked the graphics, sure they didnt look as real but the first crysis aside from the people never looked that special to me. Unless you throw a couple of mods at it crysis just doesnt look that special, if anything really kinda ugly in places. Maybe its my own prefernce and that I prefer the slightly more "coloured" look to the game where everything looks richer.

+ I am a multiplayer kinda person and fell out of love for playing single player games many many many years ago :P.

o0squishy0o

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="stiggy321"]

I just want them to give me an option to click for zoom, not hold. And they can fix some things with air stomp and the guns and stuff... minor little adjustments that could evenbe done server side if we're allowed that option. We seemingly are with this "custom" deal.

So what is everyone complaining about? The graphical/visual settings? Bugs?

You are mentally retarded or insane if you honestly think that Crytek is stupid enough to release Crysis 2 with 3 graphical settings and encrypted config files. I actually laugh out loud when I think someone believes this beta is a reflection of any part of the technical aspects of Crysis 2. I mean, considering Crysis's multiplayer was ridiculously terrible for many, many reasons, I don't know what you guys are disapointed with. You actually think this beta is worse than Crysis's original multiplayer? WTF?

It's fornet codeand map fixing. There will be multiple settings to adjust in the PC version. You guys are nuts.

ocstew

LOL salary =/= videogames. good logic. jerkface96

Its about EXPECTATIONS. When you expect your salary to increase but it decreases what wouldbe your reaction? Same thing here. Pc gamers expected Crysis 2 to RAISE the bar. Not only does it not achieve that but it actually goes BELOW the bar.

I feel like Crysis 2 is mostly a tradeoff. We lost the massive openness, some freedom, some suit options, and having a significant jump in graphics compared to any other game. However we gained actually competent AI, enemies that aren't completely bulletproof at higher difficulty levels, a stronger narrative, multiplayer that isn't terrible, and the ability to customize your suit in single-player (unless it's just flat upgrades, I don't know).

While I would have loved them to keep everything I liked about the first game AND everything positive they added in the sequel, I still like this game enough to buy it. Some of the pros and cons I listed are subjective of course, but I feel it's pretty accurate for the most part. Overall I don't think this game deserves the hate it's getting, and a significant amount of it seems exaggerated.

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

console kills another franchise.

up next : witcher and diablo, if they ever come out on consoles.

Lucianu

Has anyone here played the PS1 version of Diablo? I did.

The only thing cool about it was co-op, 2 players killing their way trough the levels. The controls themselfs just felt so clunky and awkward, and the visuals looked blurry as hell. I wouldn't exactly call it a success.

This reminds me that Civ II also had a (late) PS1 version. A friend of mine, who had tried and loved it on my PC, bought it for his console. Man, that was painful. The game ran at a crawl, and the controls were so clunky it made things even slower. It took 10 times longer to finish a turn than it did on PC, and took all the fun away.

Oh, and the same friend also bought "Panzer General" for his PS1... Some people never learn, it seems.. Again he got punished, with a barely playable game.

In the end, though, he got himself a gaming rig...

Anyone that liked Crysis for more than its graphics and that it contained action will be disappointed with Crysis 2.

Compared to Crysis, Crysis 2 offers:

• Less freedom in the world - You're being herded from A to B with very little options.
• Less interactivity - Destructible objects and buildings are all but gone.
• Less control - Prone and lean are gone and replaced with a bunch of half-automatic cover and leaning functions.
• Less thought - You're constantly being guided and "helped" by the all mighty suit, "Look, there's the ammo! There are the enemies! Walk this way!".

All this put together makes it obvious that the game has lost its roots and have been completely dumbed and watered down to fit the consoles and their typical audience.
All in all this is a product that Crytek should feel shame for calling it Crysis 2.

The typical console gamer will be thrilled with the new Crysis - Can't get enough of generic shooters!
The typical PC gamer that liked Crysis for its unique stregths will be very disappointed indeed - A franchise of great freedom, scale and interaction, is no more.

yellonet

So was the original Crysis not a generic shooter, I need to get a PC quick I'm missing out on all these original and genre defining FPS games only possible on PC

Oh look I can go from A to B to C back to A and B over to D and then go onto the next mission, now thats how it should be done

Oh look I just blew up that garden shack, original gameplay to the max, I don't see one off the thousands off skyscrapers in New York falling down in Crysis 2

Oh look I went prone and shoot a guy in the head, did you see that only possible on high end PC's

Oh look I get a powersuit in Crysis, it helps me with its awesome powers, look theres ammo, there's enemies, walk this way or thats way or from A to B to C

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]I commend you for naming things outside of graphics. But at the same time nothing you stated is correct, some is simply your opinion others are just flat out wrong. In terms of gameplay there is nothing Crysis 1 does that Crysis 2 doesn't do. Not one thing. While at the same time Crysis 2 does many thing Crysis 1 doesn't. When has Crysis ever not given you information on your next objective/s? Instead now its the suit instead of Profit telling you where you need to go. You say you're being herded from point to point with little options, but compared to the original Crysis you actually have more options, all highlightable with your binoculars. Controls are preference, personally I like the new cover system much better. It's much easier to control how much or little of yourself you want to have in or out of cover at one time. Holding down Q or E while trying to zoom and move left or right all at the same time is awkward for me. I'll take the city gameplay of C2 over the jungle gameplay of C1 anyday. There is just more to see and do in a city environment. ChubbyGuy40

Crysis let you chose how to get to point a to point b, c, and d. You still went to the same point as in any game, but you didn't have to take the road laid out for you. Crysis 2 might as well be a roller-coaster ride considering how linear and lifeless it is.

What does Crysis 2 do that Crysis 1 doesn't? It holds your hand through the whole game because the player is apparently not smart enough to figure it out on his own (consolization.) It highlights every single point of "attack" that the developers deemed to be the best way. Crysis 1 didn't give you that information and there was an unlimited way to attack an encampment. You don't get to find anything secret, the suit highlights everything for you (consolization.)

The control is more locked down with lag (power jump.) Crysis 1 had way better usage of its powers besides energy depleition which is the only part of the suit I like.

There was way more to see in the jungles of Crysis 1, and it was a hell of a lot more interesting. And do? Whats there to do besides finding those collectables?

I think basing your judgements on beta gameplay videos is a terrible way to judge this game.JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="-CheeseEater-"][QUOTE="DreamCryotank"]

The gunplays better, the suit is far more flexible, there's still interaction (you can pick up pretty much anything and throw it, just like Crysis 1), the atmosphere is MUCH better, the sound design is better, the aliens are better, the animations are better, the story is better, the presentation is better, the ai is better, the level design is still open, maybe not to the extent of Crysis 1 but it's nowhere near a COD clone, but yeah, I can't blow a hut apart so it's instantly terrible. :roll:

ocstew

Crysis 2 novel...... :| :? ... :lol::lol::lol:

I just want them to give me an option to click for zoom, not hold. And they can fix some things with air stomp and the guns and stuff... minor little adjustments that could evenbe done server side if we're allowed that option. We seemingly are with this "custom" deal.

So what is everyone complaining about? The graphical/visual settings? Bugs?

You are mentally retarded or insane if you honestly think that Crytek is stupid enough to release Crysis 2 with 3 graphical settings and encrypted config files. I actually laugh out loud when I think someone believes this beta is a reflection of any part of the technical aspects of Crysis 2. I mean, considering Crysis's multiplayer was ridiculously terrible for many, many reasons, I don't know what you guys are disapointed with. You actually think this beta is worse than Crysis's original multiplayer? WTF?

It's fornet codeand map fixing. There will be multiple settings to adjust in the PC version. You guys are nuts.

stiggy321

[QUOTE="yellonet"]

Anyone that liked Crysis for more than its graphics and that it contained action will be disappointed with Crysis 2.

Compared to Crysis, Crysis 2 offers:

• Less freedom in the world - You're being herded from A to B with very little options.
• Less interactivity - Destructible objects and buildings are all but gone.
• Less control - Prone and lean are gone and replaced with a bunch of half-automatic cover and leaning functions.
• Less thought - You're constantly being guided and "helped" by the all mighty suit, "Look, there's the ammo! There are the enemies! Walk this way!".

All this put together makes it obvious that the game has lost its roots and have been completely dumbed and watered down to fit the consoles and their typical audience.
All in all this is a product that Crytek should feel shame for calling it Crysis 2.

The typical console gamer will be thrilled with the new Crysis - Can't get enough of generic shooters!
The typical PC gamer that liked Crysis for its unique stregths will be very disappointed indeed - A franchise of great freedom, scale and interaction, is no more.

Supabul

So was the original Crysis not a generic shooter, I need to get a PC quick I'm missing out on all these original and genre defining FPS games only possible on PC

Yes, you're missing out.

Oh look I can go from A to B to C back to A and B over to D and then go onto the next mission, now thats how it should be doneSupabul

More or less what you could do in Crysis, it was a really big world that you had great freedom in.

Oh look I just blew up that garden shack, original gameplay to the max, I don't see one off the thousands off skyscrapers in New York falling down in Crysis 2Supabul

Oh look I went prone and shoot a guy in the head, did you see that only possible on high end PC'sSupabul

Oh look I get a powersuit in Crysis, it helps me with its awesome powers, look theres ammo, there's enemies, walk this way or thats way or from A to B to CSupabul

Don't really understand why they call it Crysis at all when the only thing left is the suit.

so why did this happen? Crytek thought that "F*** Crysis fans. Mainstream has more money."

that's unfortunately the trend these days... games need to be more "accessible" (dumbed down) so that they would sell more. i'm not saying games should be complicated, but they should be ADDING instead of TAKING AWAY.